Is torture OK now

[jay-3d]

I thought it was illegal, A war crime. most my friends and most Americans think it's OK now. It's leaving me very confused. Please Help.

[jay-3d]

1. please help

[bullimiami]

2. NO

If most americans think its ok we have a rogue nation.

But where did you get this info? i thought that there were polls reported last week and a big majority rejected any form or torture physical and mental.

[jay-3d]

3. http://poll.excite.com/poll/home.jsp?cat_id=1

http://poll.excite.com/poll/home.jsp?cat_id=1


And friends

[muriel_volestrangler]

5. The only thing that online polls show

is which people get the message out to skew the results more. They're less reliable than a White House briefing.

[Kanary]

4. It always was.

"Kick ass" is our national mantra.

Rah.

Rah.

Rah.

Kanary

[Taylor Mason Powell]

6. Didn't you get the memo?

It's not "torture." We don't do that kind of thing. It's, at the most, "abuse." All just a harmless frat prank blown way out of proportion by the liberal media who just wants to see America fail.

You know, like remember when you were in college and you joined that fraternity and everyone raped and sodomized you repeatedly and attacked you with big mean dogs? Just like that.

[Eric J in MN]

7. I wrote this for MoveLeft Media

I wrote this for MoveLeft Media, second article down at:
http://www.moveleft.com/moveleft_entertainment.asp

There hasn't been as much news coverage of torure in Iraq recently as in late April and May when Sy Hersh of The New Yorker broke the story of Abu Ghraib prison and "60 Minutes II" broadcast photos.

But I believe the US is torturing Iraqi prisoners right now.

I say this because Bush publicly declared that Secretary of Defense Donald Rumseld, who implemented the torture, is doing "a superb job."

I also say this because the Bush Administration maintains that the excuse of "military necessity" allows it to nullify any laws, including the Geneva Conventions for the humane treatment of prisoners.

George W. Bush personally signed a memo on February 7, 2002 which told his staff to follow the Geneva Conventions "to the extent appropriate and consistent with military necessity." Bush was telling them to break the Geneva Conventions, and use "military necessity" as an excuse.

That memo is the only one not previously available to the publc which the Bush Admnistration released. They did so because they think the memo makes Bush look good, since it contains words like "humanely." But a careful reading shows an attitude that any prisoner suspected of being a terrosist, or suspected of knowing something important, has no rights.

The Bush Administration is witholding other memos about torture and the full report by General Taguba, not only from the public, but from the US Senate.

Bush continues to imply that "a few soldiers" are to blame (interview with Irish reporter Carole Coleman June 24, 2004.) This shows a lack of interest in changing policy.

If Bush wanted to stop the torture, he would be admitting the scope of the problem, telling Rumsfeld to resign, praising whistleblowers, and meeting with Iraqi prisoners.. Instead, Bush is blaming "a few soldiers."

A change is that Rumsfeld will be more careful about cameras then he was before the public learned about Abu Ghraib prison.

The attitudes are the same, however, and I believe the torture continues.

Andre Perkowski directed and stars in a video titled ""Torture: Tool, Technique, and Friend!," linked above. He plays the CIA officer. You can watch more of Andre's videos on his website.

[Blue-Jay]

8. No. Torture is still not OK.

[leftist.]

9. Hey, I'm in this with you.

The last *four years* have just confused the hell out of me.

A botched election gets forgotten, blacks once again told their votes don't really count, "Let's move on" I heard James Carville say once.

A disaster that genuinely looks like it could have been prevented, where the pResident knew something was coming, people in the Pentagon pulled off flights, but it's all about how "We never could have imagined" and "Let's not politicize this by casting blame" and other such nonsense.

And of course, Saddam was behind it all.

Preemptive war against a country that didn't attack us. I *Still* don't understand why the UN can't do anything about that. Everything about it appears to be illegal, but it's all water under the bridge now.

We lied to a world that was completely WITH US after 9/11, we took advantage of their good will ... any other time that would be some serious shit, but who cares now? Those guys are all focus groups.

bin Laden is still running about. Torture is okay now, hell it looks like frat-boy shit to me, right? Everyone knew who Valerie Plame was, so what's the big deal. And Zell Miller can't be kicked out out of the party.

Sometimes i seriously don't know what the fuck is going on.

... paris

[jay-3d]

10. This is all going to come back to us

big time. It's an endless cycle of vilence...

[cthrumatrix]

11. well...I think the media is no longer covering truth now days especially

since it's the elections...it's about power ...not the people