Moore Killing Military Morale

[StandUpGuy]

sorry if this is a dupe ..


http://www.nationalcenter.org/PRIraqFahrenheit911704.html

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"Michael Moore's film, Fahrenheit 9/11, is making the rounds here at U.S. bases in Kuwait. Some soldiers have received it already and are passing is around. The impact is devastating. Here we are, soldiers of the 1st Armored Division, just days from finally returning home after over a year serving in Iraq, and Moore's film is shocking and crushing soldiers, making them feel ashamed. Moore has abused the First Amendment and is hurting us worse than the enemy has. There are the young and impressionable soldiers, like those who joined the Army right out of high school. They aren't familiar w/ the college-type political debate environment, and they haven't been schooled in the full range of issues involved. They are vulnerable to being hurt by a vicious film like Moore's."

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These people are so desperate.

[Parche]

1. GW BUSH LIES

They are over there because of lies told by GW Bush
Unfortunately they have to follow orders

[swag]

2. Right - it's not the lies that sent them there that are the problem

it's that they now know about the lies.

Like Rummy said, it wasn't the torture that was the problem, it was the DIGITAL CAMERAS!

[thebigidea]

3. Yeah, its Moore's fault. Not Bush's for stoploss, etc.

If they're so vulnerable, why feed 'em Limbaugh every day?

There is one line in there with a ring of truth to it:
"The impact is devastating."

Pretty much, you Cheneylovin' fuckers.

[7th_Sephiroth]

4. yes

making the soldiers actually feel bad about playing the roof is on fire and let the bodies hit the floor while thier killing people

[leftofthedial]

5. It's become all too clear

that the "facts in Iraq have an anti-Bush agenda."

[Renew Deal]

6. At least they know what they are fighting for.

[Catfight]

7. Bush killing soldiers. eom

[lovedems]

8. But when you read a comment like this...

'Bush looks really really REALLY corrupt in this film. I just don't know what to think anymore,' is a common comment to hear. Some of these soldiers are darn right ashamed tonight to be American soldiers, to have been apart of this whole mission in Iraq, and are angry over all that Moore has presented in his film."

That sounds like a mixed message to me. They are angry at Moore but more importantly, they are angry at their commander in cheif. I don't know but it must be hard for them to be engaged in such a mess and now realize fully what a mess it is.

[w13rd0]

9. If the RW wants to better insulate the troops...

...might be a good idea to STOP LYING TO THEM. Criminy, send a young man to war based on a pack of lies, and then get all uppity when their morale declines when they find out. Solution, STOP FUCKIN LYING! Vicious? Desperate and stupid.

[gratuitous]

10. Blame the messenger, not the message

Why, everything would be just as right as rain and all them soldiers would quit gettin' killed, and some of 'em might even come back to life if we didn't dwell on the pack of lies the Bush administration sold the public in order to go to war!

Maybe we should be schooling our military personnel a little more thoroughly in the issues involved. After all, we're asking them to kill and die for us; aren't they entitled to a smidgen of the truth?

[bluestateguy]

11. Free speech is not always meant to be polite and genteel

That's why we have a 1st Amendment, because impolite speech is the kind of speech that most needs government protection from would be censors.

[pacalo]

12. Reading the article, one would think it was Michael Moore who sent the

troops into harm's way for corporate interests. The blame goes to the WH, not the messenger.

[StandUpGuy]

13. This part kills me the most

"There are the young and impressionable soldiers, like those who joined the Army right out of high school. They aren't familiar w/ the college-type political debate environment, and they haven't been schooled in the full range of issues involved. They are vulnerable to being hurt by a vicious film like Moore's."



WTF


But its ok to give these young'uns guns to kill kill kill

[htuttle]

17. Looks like they are saying that soldiers are stupid...

...and need to have issues explained to them by someone 'familiar with a college-type political debate environment.' I guess they mean the troops need to have a 'political officer' shield them from off-message topics.

How fucking patronizing! How UnAmerican!

[Hello_Kitty]

19. I can't believe that either!

Yah, we wouldn't want our impressionable young soldiers to be exposed to political ideas that are outside of the simplistic jingoistic claptrap peddled to them by their superiors and Rush Limbaugh, now would we? Education is a dangerous thing and they should be kept away from it to better concentrate on their roles as trained killers/cannon fodder.

[StandUpGuy]

30. From a non partisan/Conservative think tank

How many just out of high school troops are there in Iraq ?

[rocktivity]

14. "There are the young and impressionable soldiers,

like those who joined the Army right out of high school. They aren't familiar w/ the college-type political debate environment, and they haven't been schooled in the full range of issues involved..."

No, they were kept nice and ignorant, and the shock and crush they're feeling from F9/11 is from the realization that they've been SCAMMED. At the risk of sounding like Johnnie Cochoran, they should the blame for their shame where it REALLY belongs.

:headbang:
rocknation

[lebkuchen]

15. According to the Stripes' morale survey, Bush is responsible, not Moore

"Nearly half of the troops surveyed said they do not plan to re-enlist."

http://www.stripes.com/article.asp?section=104&article=17515&archive=true

Indeed, those units redeploying home, like those to Fort Carson, CO, are experiencing a 50% drop in expected NCO reenlistments. That's not Michael Moore's fault. It's Bush's fault.

Incidentally, Rumsfeld "wrote" a propaganda letter to the troops in today's Stars and Stripes, on the eve of the democratic convention. The Bushies have got to be pretty desperate to do that.

[bleedingheart]

16. What do you expect from a Right Wing Shill Org?

that is lauded by Limbaugh and Delay'ed Development.

[liveoaktx]

28. Yes, consider the source: This is a conservative right-wing thinktank

[G_j]

18. but in the end

the truth will set you free!

[Endangered Specie]

20. Soldiers are rarely told the truth.

Bullshit always flows downhill in the military.

[John_H]

21. This is for RW spin machine consumption since any non-idiot knows

that every Marine over in Iraq understands first hand what Moore depicts in F911 since they are prenently living it. Can some Freeper please explain to me howanything in moore's film could possibly be news to anyone serving in Iraq?

Oh. He means all that "college-type debate" enlisted soldiers and marines are too stupid to understand. Hear that Troops? The republicans think the reason you may be second guessing the commander in chief's decision to put you in harms way is because you're too dumb to think for yourselves. They would also like your vote.

[indigobusiness]

22. It's all his fault.

I blame Camille Paglia on him, too.

[AVID]

23. BS

[DrWeird]

24. Hey, at least he's not killing babies.

This has been a message from the At Least He's Not As Bad As... Department.

[dave29]

25. Young and impressionable soldiers

yeah, we wouldn't want to subject them to anything bad - like taking other people's lives, or constant threat of death, or torture or beheadings or anything like that.

That would be wrong.

[Pepperbelly]

26. soldiers, sailors, marines, air force ... no one wants to be cheated &

that is exactly what Bush, et al have done.

The Bush has cheated them out of everything you can cheat someone out of. And still, our boys and girls are people of conscience, evidenced by their own feelings of shock and outrage over the extent of the deceit, the sheer scale of the cheat.

Fucking Bush. :grr:

[Junkdrawer]

27. The troops have been stuck in Iraq for over a year...

Morale is in the toilet. When they do finally come home, we will hear it from their own lips. So now the RW is going to blame Moore for brainwashing "young and impressionable soldiers". Somehow, I think that will wear thin quickly.

[atreides1]

29. The Truth Can Suck Sometimes

The troops are starting to realize that what they are doing over there has nothing to do with defending the US. They were sent there
for BushCo's needs, not the protection of their families.

And guess what, they don't like being told that they are killing people, not to defend us, but to give Bush that "bounce" in the polls.

And if these soldiers believe that they have done nothing wrong, then they have nothing to be ashamed of. And if they're feeling ashamed then they must think that they have done something wrong.

It's time for them to grow up, and start realizing that might does not make right, I know I found out after I got back from Desert Storm,
never believe everything your chain of command tells you, and what you choose to believe do so with a lot of skepticism.