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SilasSoule (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 12:50 AM Original message |
The electoral college has outsurvived it's utility. |
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Jack_Dawson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 12:53 AM Response to Original message |
1. AGREE |
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LearnedHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
2. Cannot answer this with a one-word, up/down answer |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 01:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Dude, the Founding Fathers... |
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LearnedHand (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 01:44 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Yup, I know that |
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Zidane (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 02:12 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. It's intent |
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dumpster_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 08:42 PM Response to Reply #15 |
73. yeah, right, "Great Minds". And then they went home & schtupped the slaves |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
63. Their first ulterior motive . . . |
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Zidane (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 02:09 AM Response to Reply #2 |
22. Oh really? |
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dumpster_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 08:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
72. Nasty old Mob! Send out the street sweepers to clear the streets! |
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fujiyama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 12:58 AM Response to Original message |
3. Agree |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 01:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
8. Why do we still have a Senate then? |
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Justitia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
4. agree |
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Moonbeam_Starlight (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 01:01 AM Response to Original message |
5. AGREE |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 01:02 AM Response to Original message |
6. Disagree. |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
7. The proportionality problem could be solved by multiplying the vote |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
9. The electoral college |
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ChocolateSaltyBalls (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 01:24 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Doesn't each state more or less have a 'popular vote'......... |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 01:36 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Yes, but it denies minority representation |
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ChocolateSaltyBalls (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 01:54 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. I've read and re-read your post, and pehaps it's because....... |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 09:22 AM Response to Reply #19 |
46. Here is the trick I think |
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Cicero (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 10:08 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Don't need a constitutional amemdment to get reforms |
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liberalpragmatist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 08:37 PM Response to Reply #19 |
71. What is the point with the EC of a black vote in Mississippi |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 01:46 AM Response to Reply #10 |
16. And just exactly how... |
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ChocolateSaltyBalls (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 02:08 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. Good Graces? |
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misanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:43 AM Response to Reply #21 |
34. "Right" is a... |
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DieboldMustDie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 01:46 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. Well yes, but that's just a matter of state law. |
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Spinzonner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
12. It may be but it will be virtually impossible to change |
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DieboldMustDie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
13. Well yes, but I still can't imagine getting rid of it. |
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iamtechus (868 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
17. Be careful of what you wish for! |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 02:07 AM Response to Original message |
20. Disagree. Totally. |
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Zidane (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 02:19 AM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Simple |
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SilasSoule (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 02:24 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Aquart, I asked the question in order to start a discussion. |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 05:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
58. Good point on electoral fraud that is not raised often. |
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notbush (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 02:19 AM Response to Original message |
25. Agree!!!! |
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myopic4141 (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 02:25 AM Response to Original message |
27. Liberal democracy |
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Zidane (134 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 03:00 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Pure democracy... |
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myopic4141 (309 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 04:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
52. Actually, it will screw up who gets into power even more. |
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NightTrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 03:05 AM Response to Original message |
29. Get rid of the Electoral College...now! |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 05:48 AM Response to Original message |
30. Agree entirely. |
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lazarus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
60. actually |
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bushwakker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:15 AM Response to Original message |
31. It's useful to the GOP so it will remain* |
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ronatchig (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:40 AM Response to Original message |
32. disagree but |
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Mike Daniels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:39 AM Response to Original message |
33. It's funny that if the situation were reversed - |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:52 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. The Bush campaign was ready.... |
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BGrier (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 08:44 AM Response to Reply #33 |
39. It'd Be Gone Already |
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doubleplusgood (810 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 08:25 AM Response to Original message |
36. it is mathematically possible |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:15 PM Response to Reply #36 |
67. Under a popular vote, it's also mathematically possible . . . |
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doubleplusgood (810 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-04 08:25 AM Response to Reply #67 |
76. well, we had a Civil War WITH the electoral college |
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truthspeaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 08:29 AM Response to Original message |
37. Agree. We need direct popular vote for the president. |
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3rdParty (119 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
38. How about a modified Electoral College vote??? |
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mrboba1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 09:03 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. This would be nice in theory |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 05:46 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. Also if you think some states get pounded |
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doubleplusgood (810 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 03:31 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. still has problems |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 05:48 PM Response to Reply #50 |
55. Kind of what happened to Stephen Douglas in 1860 |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 06:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
59. Brings up another issue, it's been too long since they expanded the House |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
62. That's a good idea -- it's how a couple of states already work . . . |
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SilasSoule (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-28-04 01:06 AM Response to Reply #38 |
75. Interesting Idea. |
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pmbryant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
40. Yes, by about 200 years |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
41. Get rid of the EC, you may as well get rid of the Senate |
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truthspeaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 09:07 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. We're talking about electing the chief executive, not the legislature |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 09:08 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Well, good luck getting the senators of small states to vote for that (nt) |
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Columbia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
45. Doesn't matter |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
48. some numbers |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
66. That last statement was absolutely incorrect . . . |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 08:29 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. in practice, it's not a coalition of states |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
49. Depends.... |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 05:51 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. It was to give the power of choosing the president |
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Strawman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 04:09 PM Response to Original message |
51. The people who benefit from the EC control the mechanisms to get rid of it |
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Feanorcurufinwe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 05:54 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. Exactly, as a Montanan, I would never support abolishing the EC |
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BloodyWilliam (665 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
53. Agree |
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NavajoRug (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
61. STRONGLY DISAGREE |
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ramapo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:06 PM Response to Original message |
64. I'll echo "Doesn't Matter" |
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vivalarev (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
65. AMEN |
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apnu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 08:31 PM Response to Original message |
69. AGREE!!!! |
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dumpster_baby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 08:35 PM Response to Original message |
70. The College is still used for exactly what it was originally meant for |
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Newerdemthanyou (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-27-04 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
74. Disagree |
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