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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:16 AM
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Conservatives already rationalizing why Bush lost
Edited on Tue Jul-27-04 08:29 AM by demdem
This from Peggy "were's my prozac" Noonan. Trying to point out that the Bush term has been so exciting that we are ready for a boring President.

But let me share a thought I've been having that is not so jolly. It has to do with Mr. Bush's re-election prospects and a worry I have. History has been too dramatic the past 3 1/2 years. It has been too exciting. Economic recession, 9/11, war, Afghanistan, Iraq, fighting with Europe. fighting with the U.N., boys going off to fight, Pat Tillman, beheadings. It has been so exciting. And my general sense of Americans is that we like things to be boring. Or rather we like history to be boring; we like our lives to be exciting. We like history to be like something Calvin Coolidge dreamed: dull, dull. dull. And then we complain about the dullness, and invent excitements that are the kind we really like: moon shots, spaceships, curing diseases. Big tax cuts that encourage big growth that creates lots of jobs for young people just out of school.

No, I am not suggesting all our recent excitement is Mr. Bush's fault. History handed him what it handed him. And no, I am not saying the decisions he took were wrong or right or some degree of either. I'm saying it's all for whatever reasons been more dramatic than Americans in general like history to be.

Here is my fear: that the American people, liking and respecting President Bush, and knowing he's a straight shooter with guts, will still feel a great temptation to turn to the boring and disingenuous John Kerry. He'll never do anything exciting. He doesn't have the guts to be exciting. And as he doesn't stand for anything, he won't have to take hard stands. He'll do things like go to France and talk French and they'll love it. He'll say he's the man who accompanied Teresa Heinz to Paris, only this time he'll say it in French and perfectly accented and they'll all go "ooh la la!"

The American people may come to feel that George W. Bush did the job history sent him to do. He handled 9/11, turned the economy around, went into Afghanistan, captured and removed Saddam Hussein. And now let's hire someone who'll just by his presence function as an emollient. A big greasy one but an emollient nonetheless.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pnoonan/?id=110005288
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:21 AM
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1. WTF?
:wtf:
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:25 AM
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2. Third paragraph. Huh?
"knowing he's a straight shooter with guts" -- wrong on both counts

"boring and disingenuous John Kerry" -- RW spin

"as he doesn't stand for anything" -- says you

French talk -- RW BS

And 4th paragraph:

GWB "handled 9/11" -- by hiding and invading a non-threatening nation?

"turned the economy around" -- HUH?HUH?HUH? you mean lost the surplus, lost jobs, etc.?

"went into Afghanistan" -- okay, he did go there -- still a mess, though

"captured and removed Saddam Hussein" -- at huge cost to all of us

What are you trying to say? Is this what you believe?
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July Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:26 AM
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3. Okay, is this you or Noonan?
If it's Noonan, everything I wrote above refers to her. Link?
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:27 AM
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4. "turned the economy around"
Yeah, from boom to bust!

Noonbat needs to quit washing her prozac down with vodka.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:27 AM
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5. you need to seperate your comments from the text body...
...and include a link.
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Champion Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:28 AM
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6. You can just smell the desperation can't you?
What the hell is this "French" thing?
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:28 AM
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7. You might want to clearly point out where you quote Noonan
And add a link for good measure. It's early. :D
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:28 AM
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8. You totally lost me with this post
and I completely disagree. Can't tell if you are being sarcastic or what, but I don't think of Kerry as boring.

And if what has happened under the bush junta is considered "exciting" by you, I've had about all the "excitement" I can take. More like lies, deception, spilling of blood, etc. Not "excitement."

Kerry is a strong leader and has the wisdom necessary to clean up bushco's freaking MESSES.

You really need to clarify your post.
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:30 AM
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12. What?
This is from a Noonan article in the WSJ. Not sure what your talking about.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:29 AM
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9. No-Talent Brooks Say Exact Same Thing In NYTimes Today
so apparently we have a Talking Point exposed here.
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 10:01 AM
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25. The question is
Why are they quitting already? Do they realize the party is over?
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:30 AM
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10. re-election prospects?
Impossible. He wasn't elected. The Supreme Court CHOSE him for us, PEGGY! :grr:
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:30 AM
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11. Sounds like Peggy's back on the sauce
n/t
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blueblitzkrieg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:31 AM
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13. WTF
"Economic recession, 9/11, war, Afghanistan, Iraq, fighting with Europe. fighting with the U.N., boys going off to fight, Pat Tillman, beheadings. It has been so exciting."

There are a lot of words to describe 9/11, war, and beheadings, but /exciting/ is not one of them. What's exciting about Americans getting their head chopped off? It's sickening. What crack is this lady smoking?
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:42 AM
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14. Republican'ts think it HAS BEEN exciting!
It was on TV, dontcha know?

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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:46 AM
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15. That's the stupidest piece of commentary I have ever read!
I'm just...speechless...at the cluelessness of it all.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:49 AM
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16. Don't tell me you wrote this
George W. Bush is kinda like King Midas, but everything he touches turns to dogshit.

The economy turned to dogshit.

The security of this country turned to dogshit.

Our freedom turned to dogshit.

Afghanistan turned to dogshit, as did Iraq.

And our standing in the world turned to dogshit.

Most people throw dogshit away.

Most people don't like dogshit.

The American people have come to feel they want their country back.

And guess what? Kerry's an exciting guy. He's the high school football hero who comes to your 10-year class reunion wearing his Super Bowl ring. He's the smart kid who figured out how to make a living. He's the guy who you can invite over to drink a beer knowing that he won't finish his, kill off the rest of the case and grab yours.

Which is why Kerry will take 400 electoral votes.
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:50 AM
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17. "boys going off to fight, beheadings"
"It has been so exciting."
This woman is demented.



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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 08:58 AM
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18. who in the hell sent AWOL to "give us these 4 yrs" ??? Maybe the PNAC
but certainly not anyone who voted for this clown
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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 09:02 AM
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19. Try reading the readers' comments!
Holy crap, are there really this many people in the country that see Chimpy as being the messenger of God?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 09:30 AM
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23. Someone should post some rational responses there
Edited on Tue Jul-27-04 09:30 AM by redqueen
Just in case anyone reading them has any capacity for rational thought...
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 09:25 AM
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20. OR, ...bush is just a shitty president
go figure. wasnt that easy
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 09:29 AM
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21. Its the ONION for gods sake
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 09:30 AM
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24. I wish it was, friend.
I wish it was.

:(
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 11:06 AM
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28. My Bad...its the Opinion thigamajig with Peggy whats her ass Nooner.
As soon as I saw Peggys name, I gave up reading her tripe.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 09:29 AM
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22. Quotation marks around Noonan's writing would help. nt
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 10:02 AM
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26. another priveldged bitch whose kid isnt the one in Iraq
Edited on Tue Jul-27-04 10:03 AM by Mari333
when they send her kid, she can talk. Until then, she can kiss my royal american ass.
http://www.bringthemhomenow.com
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samsingh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 10:10 AM
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27. Peggy is Unamerican
she seems to be promoting terrorism.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 11:08 AM
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29. She's a moran, plain and simple.
Noonan on flower gardeners, "... I thought they were just retards with spades."
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-27-04 11:13 AM
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30. If that wasn't a cry for sex, I don't know what was...
Subtext:

I am excited...ooh la la...French...handled...big greasy one...emollient...come and get me big boy...
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