Should the platform call for a repeal of USA-PATRIOT?

[genius]

[k in IA]

1. How about repeal some parts but some parts may be necessary.

It doesn't have to be an all or nothing proposition.

[genius]

2. What good parts? The whole thing is garbage.

I've had to read it.

[aquart]

3. NO. Repeal all.

Then vote on those individual points one by one. There are too many unknown nooks and crannies in that bill. It has to go in toto. Then whatever's worth keeping can be discussed in the light of day.

This bill is the Secret Police bill. Do you get that? This is the KGB bill.

[k in IA]

9. I essentially said the same thing you did and don't disagree with your

strategy but lets not get all black or white/ good or bad - there are shades of gray.

[MajorFlaw]

6. "Rolling" wiretaps, which allow the monitoring of any phone that the

subject uses are long overdue. Most of the rest is crap. I don't know that we want to raise an issue laden with subtleties and interpretation in our platform.

[genius]

7. That means they could be tapping your phone now.

[MajorFlaw]

17. If they had a court order they could. The change here is that, rather

than allowing a tap on a particular phone line a judge can authorize a tap on any phone that the subject of the tap uses. Pretty reasonable in an age of cell and mobile phones. Of course there is the possibility of abuse. That's why we must focus the spotlight on who gets appointed to the bench.

[rangerfan]

4. The platform already supports the Patriot Act. WHY????? n/t

[genius]

5. They're voting on the platform today. It's not too late.

[Freddie Stubbs]

13. It has all been decided by the platform committee

The convention will simply rubber-stamp what the committee has produced.

[genius]

14. They don't have to rubber stamp it unless they have rubber brains

[Freddie Stubbs]

16. The platform committee was made up of mostly Kerry primary supporters

The delegates are mostly Kerry primary supporters. They are not going to produce a document that contridicts the guy they supported in the primary.

[sangh0]

8. Push-poll

Someone obviously understands they can't just argue themerits of their position

[genius]

10. The merits are that we lost the Bill of Rights when USA-PATRIOT

was enacted.

[sangh0]

11. That should have been your opener

It shouldn't take prompting for you to make a rational argument

[genius]

12. It is kind of clear from the content. Where have you been since 2001?

[GreenArrow]

15. Should repeal it ALL

Wont repeal any. Will likely add more.

[porphyrian]

18. Abso-Fuckin'-Lutely.

And everyone who voted it in should be drawn and quartered.

[AntiCoup2K4]

19. There are no good parts of the Patriot act and no reasonable defense of it

Criminals can be investigated and prosecuted within existing, constitutional laws.

[Freddie Stubbs]

21. Sure there are some good parts

Relaxed restrictions on information sharing between U.S. law enforcement and intelligence officers about suspected terrorists.

Makes it illegal to knowingly harbor a terrorist.

Tripling the number of Border Patrol, Customs Service Inspectors and Immigration and Naturalization Service inspectors at the northern border of the United States, and providing $100 million to improve technology and equipment on the U.S. border with Canada.

Eliminating the statute of limitations for prosecuting the most egregious terrorist acts, but maintaining the statute of limitation on most crimes at five to eight years.

[On the Road]

20. No Need to Repeal It, Just Let it Lapse.

Personally, I don't think it will make it past the sunset date.

[genius]

22. Some parts don't lapse.