GOP article

[mississippi]

Go ahead. Say it's B.S. that I'm posting this but I thought it was worth a healthy discussion on Michael Moore.

http://www.gopusa.com/news/2004/july/0727_soldier_moore_hurting_morale.shtml

[freedom_to_read]

1. Maybe it's true...

... that the truth about Iraq is hurting their morales.

Guess it would be better for them not to know that they're sacrificing themselves to keep Bush and his chronies in power.

[Name removed]

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[freedom_to_read]

3. hey, cool picture EOM

[shoelace414]

5. go to

http://images.google.com/

and put "troll" in the search box. it works for just about anything.

[freedom_to_read]

13. thanx!

[displacedtexan]

8. They're really hungry for MM'S* today!

*Michael Moore Shit

:crazy:

[theivoryqueen]

4. Stories of lowered "esteem" in Iraq soldiers predate Moores film

Many of the soldiers filmed made their comments on other media outlets. Perhaps those who haven't thought about the realities of their service in Iraq SHOULD be forced to at least consider ramifications of occupation. I'd bet many more are unhappy with their circumstances, but unwilling to speak out due to pressure to conform.

[mississippi]

9. disagree

Whether or not the reason they are fighting is a valid one, a soldier must fully believe in his mission. The higher the number of soldiers who don't believe in their mission, the higher the chances of us losing this war. It may be a mess that we shouldn't have gotten into, but now that we are in it there is no doubt that we have to follow through and win it.

[Walt Starr]

11. We lost the war

when the first shot was fired.

[mississippi]

16. nice,

Try saying that to a bar full of vets just returning from Iraq after watching their best friend's head get blown off.

[Bandit]

25. Most people you are addressing here are vets.

:shrug: Even Vets want the truth.

[gratuitous]

12. And what constitutes "winning"?

We've already wiped out tens of thousands of Iraqis. Should we massacre hundreds of thousands of people who never meant us any harm, who can't fight back, and who can't get away?

I don't know what you might call that, but I sure as the world wouldn't call it "winning." At least, not given what I was taught the United States is supposed to stand for. We're the ones who used to bring war criminals to justice; not install them in the White House.

[mississippi]

20. "winning"

To me, winning means stabilizing Iraq and setting up a true democracy. This WILL require high morale among our soldiers.

[Walt Starr]

22. We will never win under those circumstances

as there will never be a democracy in Iraq. We've already set up the next tin penny dictator.

[gratuitous]

26. Soldiers don't stabilize anything and they don't set up true democracies

That's done through diplomacy and other peace-making efforts. Soldiers kill people. They blow things up. They don't "stabilize" socities or "set up true democracies." Since they have nothing to do with your stated goals, I submit you're using the wrong tool for the job you would like to see done. Hammers are very useful tools for pounding nails. They're very ineffective tools for, say, cooking a hamburger.

[theivoryqueen]

17. to be delusional isn't preferable to informed.

If the troops have knowledge that prevents them from agreeing with their mission, it would be almost impossible to demand they disregard their insights and opinions. That they must still perform their "job" is not in question. How they feel about it and how that impacts their willingness to re-enlist or suggest OTHERS enlist is.

[Bandit]

21. Everyone should always know the truth.... Period

When you want to spread lies and then they find out about it they become demoralized not by reading the truth but by knowing they have been lied to. You feel that is acceptable then you are on the wrong forum.

[gratuitous]

6. You must have missed the first 17 threads on this bunch of nonsense

Let me guess, though. You came up with your handle trying to spell "Utah."

[mississippi]

10. Utah? You lost me.

nm

[dave29]

7. Just a question

Is morale ever high during a war? I think there are a lot worse things than movies going on that might be effecting these soldiers.

Beheadings and torture come to mind. Besides, if you are worried about these kids being young and impressionable, maybe the battlefield isn't the best place for them to begin with.

Lastly, you should always question war. Always. It better damn well be something we HAVE to do, and the reasoning better damn well be SOLID.

[theivoryqueen]

23. "you should always question war" - absolutely.

anyone who says different is a psychopath

[Name removed]

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[Fleshdancer]

15. This article is an insult to our soldiers

Heaven forbid the GOP actually believe that the young men and women they send to war are actually SMART ENOUGH to realize that when there are no WMD to be found in a country they were sent to bomb in order to get the WMD then perhaps they were, oh, I don't know....LIED TO?

There is nothing in that movie that wasn't in at least one newspaper article. All MM did was connect the dots that were already there. Hell, were there any DUers who went to see F911 that were shocked and surprised by it?

If the GOP wants to know the source for the low morale (which existed before bootleg copies of a movie arrived) then all they have to do is think about their own lies and flawed policies. It's that simple.

[killbotfactory]

18. Being sent to fight a questionable war on false grounds hurts morale.

Not a movie which points out the obvious.

[Name removed]

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[gratuitous]

27. Ya think, Walt?

Personally, I prefer to think:



or:

[bossfish]

24. Didja notice the list of books you can buy for a dollar each?

on GOPUSA? Still overpriced....

Deliver Us from Evil
Hannity, Sean

Michael Moore Is a Big Fat Stupid White Man
Clarke, Jason; Hardy, David T.

Rewriting History
Morris, Dick

Treason
Coulter, Ann

Final Days
Olson, Barbara

Legacy: Paying the Price for the Clinton Years
Lowry, Rich

Slander
Coulter, Ann

Give Me a Break
Stossel, John

The War Against Boys: How Misguided Feminism Is Harming Our Young Men
Sommers, Christina Hoff

Who's Looking Out for You?
O'Reilly, Bill

The Many Faces of John Kerry
Bossie, David

[greekspeak]

28. Welcome to DU...I can tell you are going to be here for about 10 minutes

Enjoy your stay while it lasts. And in the mean time, may I suggest that, for a listening experience that you would find more suitable, you turn to the AM band of your radio? Godspeed to you, and may the door hit you in the ass on your way out.

[luaneryder]

29. Army Spec Roche

sounds very lke a PAO type regurgitating TP from higher up. The morale has nothing to do with MM or his film and everything to do with being in a dire situation with no end in sight.

[Moderator]

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