Republicans are not the opposition

[Snoggera]

They are the enemy. They are lying, thieving sacks of shit wrapped up in a disgusting bag of ignorance. They are the enemy. They are not people to be reasoned with. They are the enemy.

Do you disagree? If so, then maybe you haven't been paying attention.

[porphyrian]

1. Fuck Republicans.

Stupid pieces of shit...

[graywarrior]

2. Not all Republicans

Just the ones running the show right now. Spawns of Satan.

[Snoggera]

5. They are all spawns of Satan

anyone who plays follow the leader into hell is a bag of shit also. I am through with trying to understand these bastards.

[Richardo]

7. Thank you, Ann Coulter.

"Spawn of Satan" indeed.

[Selwynn]

24. No fucking kidding. It's disgusting when Ann does it... its the same...

..when we do it.

[tom_paine]

26. Before the Torture Scandal, I might have more strongly diagreed

I STILL disagree, but not nearly as strongly as I watched the entire Imperial Party rationalizing away the various tortures PLUS the several instances of Gestapo Death Questioning.

I am still not fully with you on this issue, but our hands are certainly collectively bloody at this point.

[AntiCoup2K4]

27. Now that's just a crude, mean insult

...to Satan :evilfrown:

[lil-petunia]

3. NO, not all

some repubs are behind Kerry.

It is the NeoConvicts (who here came up with that?) who are the enema and need a good flushing out.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

4. I prefer to call them what they are:

"Theocrats"

[Richardo]

6. I don't generalize. So yes, I disagree.

I consider neo-cons and their frenzied, unprincipled, lying media mouthpieces as enemies of American democracy, but not all Republicans.

This whole "enemy" shit is going to drag this country down to where it is ungovernable, very soon.

[Snoggera]

9. The people who vote for these bastards

are ignorant. They may say they are old-school Republicans, but they are not. A vote for, or a defense of, these pieces of shit is the same as being one of the same types of pieces of shit. I don't distinguish between the two. Support the lying fucks, and you are a lying fuck also. There is no middle ground, and the longer people pretend there is, the longer these pieces of shit have to strangle you.

They are the enemy. It is not the same world it was a few years ago. They have spent many years trying to destroy you. It is time to stop trying to understand, and call a fascist bastard a fascist bastard.

[lostnfound]

8. I disagree. My father was a Republican for years then a loyal Dem.

Many people do change. Germany is no longer chock-full of Nazis, either. They were swayed by propaganda.

Hate is not the answer.

[MUSTANG_2004]

10. Republicans love this country

as much as you do. Recent presidential candidates McCain and Dole were both badly wounded defending America and have since spent their time in the Senate trying to implement policies that they thought best, so I'm not sure why you say they are "thieving sacks of shit wrapped up in a disgusting bag of ignorance."

As far as the current president, well, that's another matter. As another poster said, it's the neocon agenda that's most troubling, not the GOP in general. I'm not exactly sure how they hijacked the GOP, but they unfortunately have.

[Snoggera]

11. There is no longer a difference

between the sacks of shit that rule this formerly great democracy and those that vote for and defend the sacks of shit. They are one and the same. Hijacked the GOP? If so, they did it with the full complicity and confidence of those that voted for and continue to defend them.

[Eric J in MN]

45. McCain loves America, but campaigning for Bush, who slimed him,

is a strange way for McCain to demonstrate his love of America.

[emulatorloo]

12. Please distinguish between Repub Right-Wing Leadership and Voters

THe leadership has done everything they can to demonize Dems and their values, and to convince voters to vote against their own values and interests.

[Snoggera]

13. No

Those who vote for these fuckups are as complicit in the rape of democracy as the "leadership."

Respectfully submitted - nothing personal, but I choose not to distinguish between the "evildoers" and those that allow it to occur.

[ilovenicepeople]

31. just to defend the Republican portion of the powerless population

those that voted at that time (2000)for the Repub's were only being ogled by the Hell bound Perverts of the NWO.I'm sure lot's of them were blissfully unaware of the lubeless power plucking that was to ensue upon them?On the other hand maybe not?:scared:

[skygazer]

42. Your rhetoric

sounds very much like the rhetoric which comes out of the White House - "you're either with us or against us", "good versus evil". These are cartoon concepts - life is more complex than that, people are more complex than that. My daughter, God help her, is a Republican. She's been lied to and brainwashed just as we all have. The neo-Cons are dangerous and out of control - that's true. But if we start painting an entire group with the same brush we are no better than the Nazi-istic bastards who are running things right now.

[bloom]

14. I think there is hope for some ot them

people post about Republicans turning against Bush* nearly every day.


The ones in charge, the media shills, & people like Limbaugh are the enemy.

[Beam Me Up]

15. No, the 'enemy' is neoconservative fascists.

Republicans, like Democrats, have respect for the Constitution. Neoconservative fascists want to create the conditions necessary for the complete overthrow of the Constitution. They've been working on this for quite a while and it is true that they have infiltrated the Republican party. But I wouldn't go equating the two in my mind. The Republicans of this country need to clean house -- but the same can be said of the Democrats, although perhaps to a lesser extent.

[Snoggera]

16. Anyone who votes for the fascists

is a fascist. There is no real distinction.

[Beam Me Up]

17. I can not agree with this statement.

Not all Republicans are extremists. Those that are not could become our allies if things get much worse. I would caution placing them all in the same box of 'other' or 'enemy' as you have.

A stranger is a friend you haven't met yet; an ally may be someone who does not yet recognize that they share a common interest with you.

[Snoggera]

19. My statement was

anyone who votes for a fascist is a fascist.

How can one disagree with that?

[Selwynn]

18. threads like this make me tired and never help - is hide back yet?

[Snoggera]

20. That's an honest response

but it doesn't address the concept. I'm sorry you're tired. Click on hide and take a nap.

[Selwynn]

21. PS - sweeping generalizations rock

My parents are conservative, they may vote for Bush I dont know. But you don't know the first fucking thing about what kind of people they are. They may be many things, including misguided, but they in no way deserve the kind of self-serving hate spewing bullshit that you've given here.

And there are many more just like them as well. There's my friend at work who has voted republican most of his life because he thought he was standing for values, who is now asking questions. Yeah, the best thing to do is go up to him and tell him he's the fucking enemy and blah blah blah. There's my friend down the street who has been a life long republican who helps his neighbors, volunteers his time to work with the poor downtown, helped me when I was in real trouble, and is one of the best community people I know. He may be misguided, but he isn't evil.

If you want to practice the politices of hate and divisiveness, go join Bush's team where that is how the game is played. We're better than stupid all or nothing dismissive overly stereotypical generalized thinking.

[Snoggera]

25. How can one separate those that vote for fascists

from the fascists themselves? Because those that vote for them are our relatives?

There is nothing "self-serving" about this post, and it is not hate spewing either.

There also is nothing stereotyped or generalized.

You haven't answered my question.

How is someone who votes for a fascist different from the fascist?

[Selwynn]

33. By doing it.

[Snoggera]

35. Sounds like a Reagan slogan

Just Do It!

Again, nothing personal, but can you answer the question?

[MUSTANG_2004]

37. You'd have a point

If Bush actually was a Fascist, but he's not, he's just a very bad president.

[Snoggera]

38. I believe he is a fascist

and I see no information to prove me wrong.

What is a fascist? It is not just a historical term; it has current meaning, and the meaning applies to the people in the current administration.

Prove me wrong. Maybe then I could sleep easier at night.

[MUSTANG_2004]

41. Here you go:

Definition of fascism from dictionary.com:
"A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism."

1) Since he's running for re-election against a viable opponent, "dictator" doesn't seem to describe him. He's got a few "dictatorial" actions like holding Padilla without a trial, but overall I don't see it.
2) Stringent socioeconomic controls. While he tried to implement the FMA, he failed miserably. Not exactly the sign of a powerful suppressor who implements strict controls.
3) Suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship. Well, DU, the Village Voice, and all the various Democratic pundits all seem to be alive and healthy, so I don't think he qualifies here.
4) Belligerent nationalism. Hmm. This one fits.

So 1 out of 4... I don't think he qualifies. Isn't it enough that he's a lousy president?

[Snoggera]

43. here you go

Fascism, the more it considers and observes the future and the development of humanity quite apart from political considerations of the moment, believes neither in the possibility nor the utility of perpetual peace. It thus repudiates the doctrine of Pacifism -- born of a renunciation of the struggle and an act of cowardice in the face of sacrifice. War alone brings up to its highest tension all human energy and puts the stamp of nobility upon the peoples who have courage to meet it. All other trials are substitutes, which never really put men into the position where they have to make the great decision -- the alternative of life or death....

...The Fascist accepts life and loves it, knowing nothing of and despising suicide: he rather conceives of life as duty and struggle and conquest, but above all for others -- those who are at hand and those who are far distant, contemporaries, and those who will come after...

...Fascism the complete opposite of…Marxian Socialism, the materialist conception of history of human civilization can be explained simply through the conflict of interests among the various social groups and by the change and development in the means and instruments of production.... Fascism, now and always, believes in holiness and in heroism; that is to say, in actions influenced by no economic motive, direct or indirect. And if the economic conception of history be denied, according to which theory men are no more than puppets, carried to and fro by the waves of chance, while the real directing forces are quite out of their control, it follows that the existence of an unchangeable and unchanging class-war is also denied - the natural progeny of the economic conception of history. And above all Fascism denies that class-war can be the preponderant force in the transformation of society....

After Socialism, Fascism combats the whole complex system of democratic ideology, and repudiates it, whether in its theoretical premises or in its practical application. Fascism denies that the majority, by the simple fact that it is a majority, can direct human society; it denies that numbers alone can govern by means of a periodical consultation, and it affirms the immutable, beneficial, and fruitful inequality of mankind, which can never be permanently leveled through the mere operation of a mechanical process such as universal suffrage....

...Fascism denies, in democracy, the absur conventional untruth of political equality dressed out in the garb of collective irresponsibility, and the myth of "happiness" and indefinite progress....

...iven that the nineteenth century was the century of Socialism, of Liberalism, and of Democracy, it does not necessarily follow that the twentieth century must also be a century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy: political doctrines pass, but humanity remains, and it may rather be expected that this will be a century of authority...a century of Fascism. For if the nineteenth century was a century of individualism it may be expected that this will be the century of collectivism and hence the century of the State....

The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State. The conception of the Liberal State is not that of a directing force, guiding the play and development, both material and spiritual, of a collective body, but merely a force limited to the function of recording results: on the other hand, the Fascist State is itself conscious and has itself a will and a personality -- thus it may be called the "ethic" State....

...The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone....

...For Fascism, the growth of empire, that is to say the expansion of the nation, is an essential manifestation of vitality, and its opposite a sign of decadence. Peoples which are rising, or rising again after a period of decadence, are always imperialist; and renunciation is a sign of decay and of death. Fascism is the doctrine best adapted to represent the tendencies and the aspirations of a people, like the people of Italy, who are rising again after many centuries of abasement and foreign servitude. But empire demands discipline, the coordination of all forces and a deeply felt sense of duty and sacrifice: this fact explains many aspects of the practical working of the regime, the character of many forces in the State, and the necessarily severe measures which must be taken against those who would oppose this spontaneous and inevitable movement of Italy in the twentieth century, and would oppose it by recalling the outworn ideology of the nineteenth century - repudiated wheresoever there has been the courage to undertake great experiments of social and political transformation; for never before has the nation stood more in need of authority, of direction and order. If every age has its own characteristic doctrine, there are a thousand signs which point to Fascism as the characteristic doctrine of our time. For if a doctrine must be a living thing, this is proved by the fact that Fascism has created a living faith; and that this faith is very powerful in the minds of men is demonstrated by those who have suffered and died for it.

This text is part of the Internet Modern History Sourcebook. The Sourcebook is a collection of public domain and copy-permitted texts for introductory level classes in modern European and World history.

[Selwynn]

44. I just did. I also did in my post below.

The answer is that you do it by doing it - by deciding not to lump everyone on the right, millions and millions of people into one one-size-fits-all generalization. You are not equipped to speak with any credibiltiy about the subtle nuances of how and why each individual out of the millions there are might identifiy themselves as republican. Some people are just doing the best they can.

[dogman]

22. Republicans who blindly follow this Group Of Politicians

who are haters of freedom and seek to destroy our country-Bushco. They are the enemy of the people.

[Eric J in MN]

23. There is a difference between the people in Washington like George W. Bush

Dick Cheney, Tom Delay, Bill Frist, and Robert Ney, and ordinary citizens who voted for Bush in 2000 because of the "pro-life" issue.

[Snoggera]

28. Now, that is a good point

there are many that base their votes on a single issue, and don't bother to look at the larger picture. Aren't they as "guilty" of promoting fascism, however, as those that simply vote because they want to destroy liberal thought and the people that have it?

[Selwynn]

34. No, they aren't.

You assume "they" don't "bother" to look at the bigger picture. But I must assume that it is possible as well, that they don't always understand the bigger picture.

When I was younger, I thought differently. Did that mean that back then I was "evil" and just as "guilty?" Not at all. I was young, doing the best I fucking could, and THANKFULLY there were people who kindly and gently helped teach me better truths and see the light, rather that people like you posting shitty attitudes like this.

That's the difference.

[Snoggera]

36. I don't have a shitty attitude, as you suggest

but simply ask a question and hope to obtain a rational response. If you are incapable of doing so, then don't respond! It's that simple.

[Selwynn]

39. "lying, thieving sacks of shit wrapped up in a disgusting bag of ignorance

That's a shitty attitude, and I answered your question.

[AntiCoup2K4]

29. If you vote for Bush because of a "pro life" issue....

...you may not be a fascist, but you sure as Hell would be BLIND.

[Skittles]

30. yes, I agree

there was a time when I found republicans simply annoying; now, I absolutely despise them. They are actively trashing my life, my country, my future and getting thousands of people killed. The days of courteous debate are OVER. This is war.

[Walt Starr]

32. I used to consider republicans to be the same as me with different views

Then the likes of Ann coulter declared war on ME!

Once somebody dedclares war on you, it's time to give up on diplomacy, pick up your weapon of choice, and fight back against the enemy.

[Cats Against Frist]

40. It's not all Conservatives

There are still some with a little bit of sanity. Deep within the bowels of the elephant there is a fight over who will get to control the party (witness the GOP primaries), it will either be sensible, moderate Conservatives, whose balance helps make this nation great, or the newer, post-Reagan bred, Christian Reconstructionist types who have managed to mangle libertarian and Christian philosophies into some pre-fascist narrative.

Those moderates who stand with them, though are still to blame. Every person with a brain should vote against the GOP to show them that the extremists will not be tolerated. I already fear, however, that it is too late for the GOP. They've bred and elected too many of their "Rand finds God" prototypes, and in concert with the neoconservatives and the corporatists, they are doing an effective job of controlling the party, even though they still pretend that they're moderate -- witness their main convention speakers, a roster of guilt and deception -- pretty moderate faces on the outside, but with a whole loony bin full of nut jobs that really control the party and the policy.

I agree, however, that they should be treated as the enemy. They are trying to take away the claim that the left has on the governance of this nation -- the Bill of Rights, Enlightenment, Thomas Jefferson, Rousseau foundations that are necessary to make this nation great. That alone makes them near traitors, not to mention their systematic disrespect of the Constitution, Constitutional Law and precedent, and judicial oversight.

Someone said to me -- something that really scared me -- that the only way to defeat the Christian Reconstructionists and the Religious Right will have to be to beat them back with a stick. I'm already taking practice swings with my "big orange aluminum baseball bat of modernity," in the backyard -- as I feel the Declaration of Independence almost demands me to do.

[Trajan]

46. Should I kill my daddy now ? ...

and my two brothers ? ...

Methinks this a rash conclusion ...