So, Has It Become Un-cool To Support Bush?

[stopbush]

Just noticing all of the pop culture trend setters and Hollywood types who have jumped on the Kerry bandwagon. In addition, I read that Rock-the-Vote is bringing in mostly new Dem voters.

Have we reached the point where bushco is now viewed as the un-cool ticket?

[movonne]

1. God I hope so. They did every thing they could to make liberal

a dirty word.

[Champion Jack]

2. When was he EVER "cool"?

[Zynx]

25. It was for a time the "cool" thing to support him.

Don't ask me why.

[Johnny Arson]

3. Of course!

Dems have ALWAYS made the best music and movies.

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. un-cool ticket

This has been an uncool ticket since "the birth of cool". cheney??
come on!

[Cha]

5. Not only "uncool" but unsmart!

It would be very uncool to be of such a low IQ as to think bush should remain in the White House any longer than Jan 2005.

[louis c]

6. Yes, it has

I can't find anyone who wants to openly support Bush, now.

He has reached the point of being an embarrassment. Anyone for Bush now is reduced to attempting to bash Kerry, which doesn't seem to work to well for them.

[SammyWinstonJack]

7. When was it ever cool?

Unless you're self serving selfish and just plain greedy. All uncool traits btw!

[UdoKier]

8. It was NEVER cool.

Jumping on the bandwagon for fear of being blacklisted is NEVER cool, and THAT was the vide back in the "Freedumb Fries" days.

[Snoggera]

9. The next commercial

should feature Aryan Neo-nazis singing "We Are the World".

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

10. But ... Cheney is "Debonair"!

according to John McCain. He's a suave, debonair, bonvivant, man-about-town and the essence of cool.

[Arugula Latte]

15. Yes. Just like Montgomery Burns. eom

[redstateblues]

37. He a fat unhealthy turd- reminds me of the old Soviet Politboro

creeps

[Booster]

43. There is something seriously wrong with McCain.

Bush/Cheney bashed both him and his wife and now he can't say enough good things about Bush. All those years as a POW had a profound affect on McCain and he could easily throw away his own career being a shill for Bush - he's no longer believable.

[Massacure]

11. From a 16 year old, bush = uncool

Four years ago almost all of my class mates wanted Bush to win. Now all of us want Kerry to win.

[peacetalksforall]

12. Do you remember why? Was it because your parents wanted him?

Was it because you like his swagger? What do you think went through your head - were you influenced by each other? Did you believe the lies about Gore? Was it any specific newsperson or channel?

[Massacure]

14. My dad liked Bush

Plus other people at school liked him too, so I thought all of them couldn't be wrong, and jumped on the bandwagon. :P

[peacetalksforall]

21. Can I ask you another question? Do you feel a little cheated about

things that you were taught about our country AS A CHILD? You are a lot closer in age and may help me in understanding something I think about every day and since I'm a heck of a lot older than you, you may help me with my dilemna. I felt that everything I was taught AS A CHILD at home, in church, school, scouts, 4-H, radio, TV was all a big lie and the height of hypocrisy and deception starting several years ago and growing with everything I learn about what is really going on with our leaders. Do they still teach all the patriotic things - for example, about our votes counting? Evidently, you were moved by something to even be following all of this? What got you here? Does what you've learned her sit well with you? Are you having trouble reconciling what you've learned not so many years ago? Or do you think the theft and lies of government are just a part of growing up? Would you ever brush off the thefts and lies with a rationalization that this has always gone on in our country and history, so we should just accept that people are that way and that what we teach our children isn't that important - that it's just part of growing up?

I think I got carried away, as usual. But I spotted an opportunity in your admission of your age and would like to know what a youth thinks about the things I think about.

[Massacure]

27. I feel a little cheated down in the middle school, but not in high school

Being taught that the U.S. is the world super power, and that we are better than all the other countries.

It's not really so bad at the high school level than it as at the middle school and elementary level. In World History someone once asked why we are forced to say the pledge of allegiance every day in homeroom, and my teacher said how it is state law, and it is supposed to encourage us to be more patriotic citizens. However he also mentioned that it is brain washing in a way, and that the government will not always be our friend.

Some of the things my teacher mentioned in world history were bold sometimes 'Anti-American' if you may call it. The first thing we did was discussed frame of reference, and how we call the Iraqi resistance terrorist while Iraqi's consider them freedom fighters. A lot of the lessons he taught he linked back to the frame of reference.

I feel that I was given a pretty fair understanding of the world, however some of the things he said shocked me, and I wonder how honest other teachers are about the world.

My freshman year we mainly did economics, structure of our government, and a little bit of psychology.

Oh, and both years we spent 10-15 minutes discussing current events. We got some interesting debates going around once in a while with current events.

Middle school we never debated anything, and it was just a bunch of facts. When I think about it, they were just spooning information down our throats in such a way to make it look like the U.S. did no wrong.

[peacetalksforall]

34. Thanks. Good answer. You write well. Hang on to your interests until

we totally save the country.

[kodi]

18. getting closer to that draft, son?

one thing for sure, a war in a far off land motivates young men to learn a bit of history and georgraphy.

[VolcanoJen]

23. Oh, I doubt it's just the threat of draft that motivates young people.

To say so does them a tremendous disservice, in my opinion, and discourages them from expressing how they feel. It bothers me when people try to say the only reason the youth are disconnected from politics is because their lives aren't on the line, vis-a-vis draft.

My life isn't really on the line, and I'm 38. So, what's my excuse for being involved?

Sure, I'm an eternal optimist, and I'd like to hope that young people have come around about politics for many, many reasons. Maybe they do understand that policy affects their lives, their future. Maybe they listen to their parents, and their struggle over health care, good jobs, bills, child care. Maybe they just listen to their parents, by practicing, in the old-fashioned way, "Kitchen Table Politics."

I give Massacure all the credit in the world for being pro-Kerry, for whatever personal reasons he/she may have.

[kodi]

26. just? who said "just"?

and at 38, you had no experience comparable to mine which was as a 16 year old male facing the draft in 24 months back in the late '60s.

read my sig line. there is a quantum difference between the experiences.

[VolcanoJen]

29. Ya know, kodi, I was just trying to give the kid some credit.

I wouldn't begin to compare my generation to yours, in terms of political and real-world experience, either. I don't consider any generation better, worse, more worthy, less worthy, than any other, honestly.

I wasn't my intention to call out your post, although, it could read like that, for which I apologize. However, I do take offense to anyone who suggests that the youth vote is all about a looming draft. I think they're better than that, more informed than that, tougher than that, more giving than that.

[kodi]

36. sorry, jen you're a favorite of mine here.

but my experience as a 16 year old is marked by my uncle dying in viet nam, and that shapes one a lot more than any theoretical belief in mankind's unity.

what i saw from you towards our younger friend was an admirable trait you show normally here, one of nurturing, and you gave our friend a nice pat on the back, but my way was as i experienced, a poke in the ribs from an uncle buddy who slyly pointed out that one had better be interested in the things that are interested in you.

time will tell whose is the better lesson

[cally]

33. Thanks Jen

I completely agree. Too many of us older dismiss the concerns of teens. My experience is their political beliefs are not based on self-interest but a sincere concern for the future. None of the teens I know completely agree with me but they all think and have informed opinions. The next generation will make all of us proud.

[Booster]

45. I'm impressed as Hell that he's interested in not

only politics, but our relationship with the rest of the world at his age. I got interested in politics when Kennedy became President and everyone was proud to be an American; when he was murdered, I lost all interest until Bushita came along, and now I'm angry and want my country back the way it was.

[MrSlayer]

13. I don't see how the uptight Republicans could ever be cool.

Don't have sex, don't do drugs, music is evil, go to church, women are second class, hate anyone different..... There is nothing cool to recommend these guys. Democrats have always owned cool.

[Arugula Latte]

16. Just look at the music.

We have jazz, hip-hop, soul, R&B, most rock musicians, you name it. They have, uh, Wayne Newton, Debbie Boone, and friggin' country (except a few cool exceptions like Willie).

[Toots]

20. They love to watch the rough and tumble and put on the tough

guy image. Everyone is finding out it is just that..image. Any coolness from the tough guy image has almost turned to ridicule. They are just such screw-ups....

[TowelBoy]

31. Hey, I resent that

I personally think the "don't have sex and don't do drugs and go to church" thing is cool. Stop mixing me up with the pubbies!

[TowelBoy]

32. Hey, I resent that

I personally think the "don't have sex and don't do drugs and go to church" thing is cool. Stop mixing me up with the pubbies!

[Walt Starr]

17. WE'VE TURNED THE CORNER!!!!!

Bush* said it himself.

:evilgrin:

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

19. I've always felt

more people voting means more Dems are voting, not more republicans. And that's been borne out by the numbers over the years.

So good for Rock the Vote, I am really proud of them. Let's get out the vote, guys, it's ONLY good for Kerry to do so (and thus us).

[randr]

22. Supporting B* exposes a character flaw.

[Justice]

24. Maybe We Should have a Convention Every Two Years

The excitement people are feeling is realizing there are alot of people that feel just the way they do. We keep hearing about this one person or that one person - and then they are knocked down for speaking out. Seeing the convention we saw lots of famous people and even more not so famous people.

[sampsonblk]

28. Robbie Knievel didn't mention * at all

Excellent jump on an aircraft carrier. The whole show was full of the usual phony patriotic nonsense. But after the jump, he thanked the NYPD, the NYFD and the troops and the city of New York. But he didn't say a damn thing about Shrub.

We have turned the corner.

[dflprincess]

30. I disliked Bush

before disliking Bush was cool.

[imax2268]

35. I'm cool...at least I think I am...

but I will never...ever...support that loser...

[calimary]

38. bush is anything BUT cool. He's stone cold.

[opihimoimoi]

39. He is slowly turning into a pariah ......a nobody.....an OJ......

[Berserker]

40. Being cool

is thinking your own thoughts, Saying what you think, And not always going with the crowd. Cool is not being brainwashed by the media into thinking being a repuke is cool. * is as far from cool as one can get.

[Kazak]

41. It's OFFICIAL!!

Did you get your club ID card yet?

[Tight_rope]

42. No...not un-cool...Just "Stupid to support Bush"!

[Sensei]

44. Hollywood-types have ALWAYS been liberal

MTV and the Hollywood sycophants have never supported Bush, although after 9/11 some of them (like Rosie O'Donnell), felt the need to show support for their country.

They've been strongly anti-Bush since the Iraq war.

Bush/Cheney is certainly not the cool ticket, but be careful because NEITHER IS KERRY/EDWARDS.

Most of these people (the Alec Baldwins, the Sarah Jessica Parkers, the Whoopi Goldbergs and the Babs Streisands) simply HATE Bush. They don't really love Kerry, they never talk about him. They talk about how much they hate Bush.

Bush is still the more compelling personality.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

46. Don Henley Booed By "Uncool" Pro Bush Rock Fans At Concert

According to the Orange County Register, Don Henley (formerly of the Eagles) gave a concert in ultra-conservative Orange County, California and was largely booed by the audience, some of whom left the amphitheatre when he started speaking out against George Bush:


Saturday, July 31, 2004
Henley miffs O.C. fans by talking politics

The Orange County Register

COSTA MESA – Singer Don Henley drew a chorus of boos from fans at the Pacific Amphitheatre after he made several political comments between songs during his concert Thursday night, becoming the latest performer to elicit such a negative reaction.

(EDIT)

Henley, referring to that incident Thursday night, began a sentence with, "Given what my good friend Linda Ronstadt ," but was silenced as the amphitheatre erupted in boos. He responded: "Whoops - Orange County," adding, "We used to be able to have civil debate in this country Not anymore."

Henley then suggested his next song could be a duet sung by President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney. He launched into Randy Newman's darkly satirical tune, "Political Science," which imagines the United States dropping nuclear weapons on the rest of the world. "He really blindsided everyone," said Joshua Owen of Long Beach, who had taken a group of employees to the concert and was upset by the political content. "There was booing. Some people headed for the exits."

http://www.ocregister.com/ocr/2004/07/31/sections/local/local/article_186849.php

[Sensei]

47. Bush ain't cool with Hollywood, but he's cool with the OC

Sorry Don and Linda and all true crusaders, I have to disagree with quotes like this:

He responded: "Whoops - Orange County," adding, "We used to be able to have civil debate in this country Not anymore."

A concert isn't an appropriate venue for a debate, civil or otherwise. If you absolutely MUST inject politics, best to do it with short, witty quips. Don't go on and on about it. Michael Jordan never gave his opinion because "Republicans buy shoes too".

Besides, it's not a "civil debate" when only one person gets a mike.

[TaleWgnDg]

48. uuummmmmm, cool?

- sticking your own religion into our laws is cool?
- picking ideologues (who will twist the law their way) as federal judges is cool?
- tossing out federal anti-pollution regulations is cool?
- having the lousiest healthcare for kids and single moms in your state when governor is cool?
- letting the polluters in your state "volunteer" to pollute or not when governor is cool?
- telling other sovereign nations that they cannot inform their citizenry about abortion is cool?
- gay-bashing to further your own political future is cool?
- stopping medical research to prevent/cure illnesses is cool?
- waging war on twisted and fraudulent information is cool?
- retaining an American corporate "reconstruction" in Iraq off USA taxpayers backs is cool?
- skipping out of the military draft u/ Daddy's aegis then not showing up for duty, but years later sending others into military harms way is cool?
- and on and on and (the list is too damn long) . . . this stuff is cool?

[shanti]

49. like totally

:-)