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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 03:22 AM
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GOD SEES THE FREEPERS
http://www.apj.us/20010609GodFreepers.html

God Sees The Freepers
by William Rivers Pitt

"The blood of Jesus Christ can cover a multitude of sins, it seems to me." - Denis Diderot

June 9, 2001 (APJP) -- There was a striking moment during the interregnum last November/December that has stayed with me ever since. Inside Politics was running 24 hours a day on CNN, you will recall. I was watching one evening, several days into the theft, and there was Judy Woodruff interviewing conservative columnist Bob Novak. The question of the hour was whether or not Al Gore should just quit and go home.

On this night, Novak was pointing to a public poll that had been running on the CNN.com web site. You know these polls: log on to a news site and give your opinion on whatever happens to be the headline of the day. The poll Novak referred to asked the question: "Should Al Gore concede?"

The results showed that some 89% of the American population who found their way onto CNN.com voted "Yes" to this question. The count of those who voted numbered in the tens of thousands. Novak flapped this poll all around the studio as indisputable proof that a large majority of the American people saw Gore as a thief and a usurper and a sore loser who should just go away.

I never forgot that night, and never lost the sneaking suspicion that something shady had occurred. Somehow, someone had flooded that poll with "Yes" votes to skew the result. I had no proof, and the theme song to X-Files was sounding in my head -- I was mortally sure that something was rotten in Denmark.

Now, after all these months, I have figured out what happened that night. That CNN.com poll was 'Freeped'.

What does it mean when something gets 'Freeped'? Aim your browser to http://www.FreeRepublic.com, join the "conversations" in the "forums," and you will find out. FreeRepublic.com is a website which describes its cause thusly: "We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America."

This seems innocent enough. I am a particular fan of governmental largesse, but respect coherent arguments against it. I believe my work against the illegitimacy of Bush proves my dedication to rooting out political fraud and corruption. And while I am no conservative, I have met many conservatives whom I admire for their intellect, ability to articulate a message, and integrity in the truest definition of that word: "Steadfast adherence to a strict moral or ethical code."

My grandfather was a conservative of great integrity from the old school, and I never once found cause to look down on him, even when we disagreed on a principle. My grandfather was the ideal conservative, in my opinion. A part of me is glad he died before I could tell him about the Freepers.

A Freeper is a member of FreeRepublic.com. Freepers speak to each other on the forums of this website, "discussing" all varieties of topic. Purportedly, they support the ideals espoused above. But in actuality, there is a yawning moral chasm between word and deed. Take the CNN.com poll I discussed above, for example.

A common Freeper tactic is to post on the FreeRepublic forums a notice that a poll exists somewhere which asks a question dear to the conservative heart, such as: "Should the Congress pass more gun control legislation?" or "Is Bill Clinton the illegitimate spawn of Satan and Baal?" The URL to this poll is provided, and the Freeper legions swarm to vote... say, "no" on the first and "yes" on the second. There are a lot of Freepers, and many of them will vote multiple times. This obviously skews the result.

This is how a poll is 'Freeped.'

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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 03:32 AM
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1. I think any of these polls are now useless.
And Will,our side does it too.
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Placebo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 03:45 AM
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3. Indeed we do...
like DUing presidential polls on christian websites, hehe :P
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Speed8098 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 06:36 AM
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10. It's wrong, and don't count me in your collective
Whenever I see someone say, DU this poll or DU that poll, I always post against doing that.

We are supposed to be the thinkers, the workers for change, not fakers.

What does it accomplish?
Who wins?

We are NOT FREEPERS, although I've seen some pretty disgusting posts from some unfamiliar names. I'd like to know how these people get such a high post count. I was here 2 years before I cracked 1000.
Some of these subtle disruptors seem to get that high # in a matter of days.


And Will,our side does it too.

Just the kind of statement we need to avoid.







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DeadHead67 Donating Member (529 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 03:35 AM
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2. Was this a big surprise to you, Mr.Pitt?. . .
. . .Somehow it seems to miss the mark as a 'revelation'.
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tkmorris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 04:00 AM
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4. Mr Pitt preaches.........
to a few more people than just the "choir" here at DU. This is no revelation to us of course but it may well be to a few who read his columns. I, too, find the topic a bit on the "water is wet" side but perhaps some don't.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 04:04 AM
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5. In June of 2001, when this was written
Edited on Sat Aug-14-04 04:09 AM by WilliamPitt
it was indeed a revelation, at least for me. As Freepers have been a hot topic tonight, I thought I'd repost this. Apologies if it offends your superior sensibilities.

Here's the original thread from June 2001:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=list_threads&om=1152&forum=DCForumID35#1
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 04:11 AM
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7. Sorry Will,didn't mean to get picky.
You'v always put into words what many of us couldn't.
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Kenneth ken Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 04:10 AM
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6. had I read this in June 2001
it would have been a revelation to me. At that point in time, i had never heard of freerepublic or freepers; and I would have been surprised that anyone was actually demented enough to spend 30-40 minutes or whatever length of time repeatedly responding to an online poll just to skew the results.

:shrug:

Heck, I hadn't heard of either DU or young Mr Pitt back then either.
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moobu2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 05:49 AM
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8. There was a poll on MSNBC
I forgot the subject of the poll several months ago but someone brought it to the attention of MSNBC that the freepers had posted the poll and told all the nuts how to vote on it repeatedly, anyway, MSNBC posted the link to freerepublic and posted a disclaimer above the poll stating that the results were being manipulated. Something like, "WARNING: this poll is being intentionally manipulated (link)..I think it happens on both sides to some extent but more so with them.
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Kenneth ken Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 06:13 AM
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9. I think I read about that here
Edited on Sat Aug-14-04 06:16 AM by Kennethken
not long after I became aware of DU, in late 2001, I became aware that freepers "freeped" polls. Seems a dishonest-slimey thing to do; but then I stopped giving credence to polls many years ago, having answered a few and decided that the wording of the questions made it possible to shape (read distort) the results to a preconceived conclusion.

edit: oops! I meant to include WELCOME to DU! :hi:
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DoktorGreg Donating Member (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 06:57 AM
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11. My sincere apologies
What have i wrought.

As it turns out I was responsible for the Al Gore poll on CNN. That was my doing. At the time I was experimenting with Visual Basic and web fetch routines.

Please forgive me for what I have done.
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