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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:05 AM
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I THINK CLARK IS A GOP SPY!
NO EVIDENCE! NO REASON! NO DOUBT!

Just make shit up and post it on the board.
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Dob Bole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:07 AM
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1. <none>
Clark is George W. Bush's evil TWIN!!!!
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CarlBallard Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:07 AM
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2. I think Clark eats babies.
He must because he was in the military and all military men eat babies (military women only chew them and spit them out). Also did you know that he has over 35 recipies for newborns alone? I don't but that's no reason to not post it on the boards!
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Coffee Coyote Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:08 AM
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3. seems to me
You have no arguments FOR him, so you resort to weak sarcasm in the void.
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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:11 AM
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5. Buddy...
Wesley Clark is one of the nation’s most distinguished retired military officers. During his thirty-four years of service in the United States Army, he held numerous staff and command positions, rising to the rank of 4-star general. From 1997 through 2000, General Clark was NATO Supreme Allied Commander and Commander in Chief of the United States European Command. In this role, General Clark commanded Operation Allied Force, NATO’s first major combat action, which saved 1.5 million Albanians from ethnic cleansing in Kosovo.

Clark is a 1966 graduate of the United States Military Academy at West Point where he ranked first in his class. He holds a Master’s Degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics from Oxford University where he was a Rhodes Scholar. Clark is a recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards, including the Silver Star, two Bronze Stars, and a Purple Heart, dating back to his experience fighting in Vietnam. He has received honorary Knighthoods from the British and Dutch governments and was made a commander of the French Legion of Honor. In 2000, Clark was awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom, the nation’s highest civilian honor.

Now in the private sector, Clark is chairman and CEO of Wesley K. Clark & Associates, a strategic advisory and consulting firm, serves on the boards of several private corporations and non-profit organizations, and comments regularly on politics, diplomacy and public affairs. An acclaimed public speaker and commentator for CNN, he is the author of the best-selling "Waging Modern War: Bosnia, Kosovo, and the Future of Combat." Clark is also the Chairman of the Board for "Leadership for America," a non-partisan, non-profit educational organization dedicated to fostering the national dialogue about America's future.

_________________________________

That and the fact that I YEARN to see a debate between AWOL C-student Bush/ and 4 times wounded in combat Rhodes Scholar Clark.

Plus Clark is definitely a progressive and staunchly anti-bush.
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Coffee Coyote Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:17 AM
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8. thanks
You listed many reasons to NOT support him, among them his business-as-usual corporatist foreign policy leanings and authorship of a book on waging war.

You may think those of us who do not like Clark are disruptors or tinfoilers, but I assure you, I don't need to make shit up to NOT like him.

He would bring more of the same "in our national interest" pro-corporate foreign policy - dressed up in the pretty language of multilateralism (which fools no one - the US always gets its way). All that hagiographical crap you just spewed doesn't change that.

I want specifics and you post a glorified resumé. Zzzzzzz.....

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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:49 AM
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39. Have you actually read the book about "waging" war?
I am sure that you haven't, since if you are a liberal you would probably agree with much of what he writes.

This is more a personal story about Kosovo than a handbook on war. What he DOES write is that human rights should be one of our primary goals and what he believes is quite the opposite of the Bush administration.

I haven't read his new book, but as I understand it, it goes into more detail and is highly critical of Bush in Iraq.
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Rocinante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:21 AM
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11. Me too
what IranianDemocrat said. Said it a hell of a lot better than I could. And it's true. What he or she posted is true.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:13 AM
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6. Lotta senseless shit...
going on these days, in these here parts. Meanwhile, the economy tanks, the war goes on, unemployment grows and soup kitchens open to land office business.

Some interesting priorities goin' down...Interesting indeed.
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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:15 AM
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7. Could you be anymore vague?
.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:17 AM
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9. Yeah...
But I charge a consulting rate of $175.00/hr for more vagueness. 50 % up front, 4 hr minimum.

This is not an offering. Offerings can only be made by prospectus.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:10 AM
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4. Speaking of no evidence reason or doubt....
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Proletariat Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:20 AM
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10. lol
lol
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burr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:24 AM
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12. making shit up and posting is one thing...
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 12:25 AM by burr
but there is nothing wrong with raising important questions before we welcome yet another primary candidate in an overcrowded race.

My unanswered question...is Clark a lifelong Democrat who has just discovered politics, or an independant that sees our party as the most receptive forum to promote his political agenda?
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Coffee Coyote Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:29 AM
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14. they don't care
The Clark supporters are strangely the thinnest-skinned of all the boosters in GD. They make no distinction on whether you are flippant or reasoned with your skepticism or criticism. All dissent against Clark is BAD, and they will screech to the skies in protest and exaggerated outrage when you question their golden calf.

Oh yeah, they will also post his resumé and if you question that, you are a Green, a Rove plant, a disruptor, or worse. You just aren't enlightened enough to see how great he is, and shut up if you disagree. Post something empty and sarcastic as a clever retort.

You raise good questions, and I think you are owed a better reply than any of them will give you.
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burr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:44 AM
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15. maybe if we were valedictorians, we could get a response.
:think:
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Mariner Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:52 AM
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21. Clark serves a purpose

I agree that some of the Clark supporters are too strident. But Clark serves a wonderful purpose - I don't think there's anyone better right now at taking on the right wing media. Clark won't stand for their crap, and because of his military record Limbaugh, O'Reilly and company will be playing with fire if they dismiss him. In some ways Clark is even more adept than Dean in zeroing in on the repugs'weaknesses.
A lot of people are having doubts about the war but their opinions are still unsettled. For the next couple months, I don't think Dean or Kerry or any of the other announced candidates can do as effective a job as Clark in making sure the responsibility for the Iraq disaster is placed squarely on Bush. I'm not saying Clark should be president. But I really think he can be a great asset in bringing down the unelected wimp.

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Coffee Coyote Donating Member (949 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:19 AM
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26. welcome to DU mariner
Good post. I do agree Clark's best asset is bringing attention to the masses about the failure of Bush's White House occupation and placing the blame on him above all else for its many failures, especially in Iraq.

But no, that doesn't mean he should be president.

Thoughtful post.

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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:40 PM
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54. Oh, I think the right wing will attack Clark unmercifully.
It's been happening for years already. And before you say all that is BS- it doesn't matter if it's BS or not. They will say he is a mass murderer and a lunatic, that his own officers rebelled against him. They will repeat it constantly, and will the millions of people who get that message get the other side of the story?

Clark will need a LOT of money, have to be on ALL the news shows all the time, and be very clear, concise, and forceful in his answers to these questions. And even then he will only reach a percentage of the doubters.

If he chooses to run, I am sure he will have a plan for dealing with this. It better be good.

Oh yeah, of course they will also ask what the above poster did- is he a Dem or is he just riding in the Dem boat for expediency? It will be interesting to see how he deals with this stuff.
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:11 AM
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24. In all fairness ...
The ANTI Clark crowd has displayed unusual cruelness and vicious rhetoric ....

Cmon: .... Keep it real, and keep it nice ....

Being ugly simply because someone may have been ugly isnt justifiable ....

Tu Quoque - "Me Too" fallacy ....

I have yet to pick a horse in this race, and the overwhelming meanness of those who oppose Clark is SO unbecoming of a Democratic party member ...

Tell ya what : ... see a PRO Clark thread ? ..... add constructive criticism .... DONT break beer bottles and charge the crowd ......
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:52 AM
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33. You gotta be kidding... You are projecting what the deanies do..
onto the Clark people. No. We are not thin-skinned. We are just sick of the stupid, idiot articles from obsure sources on the web, posted as fact. Those are Rovian tactics.
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:06 AM
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34. Rovian
We are just sick of the stupid, idiot articles from obsure sources on the web, posted as fact. Those are Rovian tactics.

It's not him alone, alas. To my chagrin we get a lot of that here as well. Alas, some otherwise good liberals love to quote from rightwing "news" sites if the "news" fits their fears...

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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:47 AM
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46. How about another stupid idea
I can't find the post about having Clark run against * for the Repug nomination, but here goes, have Clark run as a Repug and make asshole spend money and bring up important questions and scandals that hurt *, * will win the nomination because the Repug power base can not let him lose and then have the Dem nominee pick Clark as his running mate. The only vote * would get in the elcetion would be his fundie base which is about 31%. Then Dean/Clark would be a shoe in. Just thought I would post a tinfoil scenario.
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Brian Sweat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:54 AM
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42. The Clark supporters have been angels compared to
the Dean and Kucinich supporters.
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Clark Can WIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:15 AM
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48. "The Clark Supporters"
are strangely the thinnest-skinned of all the boosters in GD.

Are you always such a generalist? All spooted dolphins are good, dolphins without spots are evil? That kind of thing?

All dissent against Clark is BAD, and they will screech to the skies in protest and exaggerated outrage when you question their golden calf.

Have you warmly received with an open mind and a cheerful heart all criticism of the candidate{s} you favor, escpecially when referred to in such neutral terms as your golden calf? Did you think Clark supporters would say :think: "My goodness, thank you for showing me the light, I now believe just as you believe oh benevolent one."?

Of course not. I understand some people are just plain freaked out by anyone in a uniform, anybody who's been involved with business (forget how progressive, right?) and that others are so blinded by party and politics they cannot imagine anyone who is not.

I might think they are wrong......... OK I do think they are wrong but that's OK. I don't need to trash their candidate to make myself feel better about mine. I can debate with them if their orbit of thought remains somewhere in the realm of REALITY. But come on, Clark was planted in the race (that he's not in yet) by the GOP? By the lines of what is loosely regarded as reasoning I have read on here ALL the candidates could by the same standard of logic be plants. That's it, yes, every candidate declared and undeclared is a tool of the right wing. Well it all makes sense now doesn't it?

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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:49 AM
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16. I think Clark has always been hiding the democrat inside him...
because being an effective military General demands apoliticalness.
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:30 AM
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18. so what's his current excuse?
I think Clark has always been hiding the democrat inside him... because being an effective military General demands apoliticalness."

he's not a general anymore. no one's stopping him from expressing his true feelings. yet he still seems to be afraid of the word "democrat". which is not a real encouraging sign if he expects to become their standard bearer.


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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:12 AM
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25. Do you believe that SOME independents can be progressive liberals ?
I do ......

In fact: .. Im sure of it: .. I know a few myself ....
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tameszu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:51 AM
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20. Clark ATE a Democrat! Good word!
This men's evil just knows no bounds!!!
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Emperor_Norton_II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:11 AM
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35. What, again?
Cue the music!

Six miners were lost in the Rockies one winter
Half frozen, half crazy, half starved and half dead.
The only survivor was Alfred G. Packer...
But how come he looked so well fed?

Sing a cheer for Alfred G. Packer,
His tastes were ahead of his time,
There were seven Democrats in Hinsdale County...
And Alfred G. Packer ate five, ate five
Alfred G. Packer ate five.
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Adjoran Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:28 AM
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13. It does seem to be a pattern around here
that anyone you disagree with must be working with the other side.

Earlier today they were accusing Donna Brazile of being in league with Karl Rove!!!

Some folks remind me of the old Kinks song:

"Doctor doctor help me please
I know you'll understand
There's a tiny voice inside of me
I'm a self-destructive man

There's a red under my bed
and a little green man in my head
He said, 'You're not going crazy,
you’re just a bit sad
’cause there’s a man in ya,
gnawin’ ya, tearin’ ya into two.'

Silly boy ya’ self-destroyer.
Paranoia, the destroyer

Self-destroyer, wreck your health
Destroy friends, destroy yourself
The time device of self-destruction
Light the fuse and start eruption"
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:40 AM
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45. who are "they", i.e., "they were accusing" ...
are "they" not us?

I've seen this "they" used in other postings in speaking of Democrats seeking to establish truth as we as a Nation approach a critical point in our history -> that's healthy -- but, to label them as "they"?



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tameszu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:28 AM
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17. Don't forget that Clark speaks fluent Russian!
As the Pulitzer Prize winners at FrontPage pointed out, he's obvious a commie plant! No, wait, a crypto-facist KGB agent! He's going to assassinate Kucinich and utterly destroy the hopes and dreams of 1% of the Democrat population!*

*No offense to Kucinich people, well, except maybe all of the ones posting the crazy Clark rumors.. No Dennis Kucinichs or Kucinich fans were harmed during the writing of this sarcastic post.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:01 PM
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52. I wouldn't care if he spoke Swahili and Romanesque ...
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 12:06 PM by cosmicdot
... as long as he is a genuine candidate of the people vs. corporatism ... being for the people by providing specific and clear indication that leadership, direction, policies, etc., will put people before profits ...

... and, of course, being a life-time from blue collar roots Democrat myself ... it would be nice if he speaks fluent New Deal/Fair Deal/New Frontier/Great Society Democratese ...

... I'd like that ....

... meanwhile, a process must take place ... a lifetime military person now has a couple year window as a private citizen to which it's being asked to "know" him in toto?

Why submit those seeking knowledge and truth to sarcasm, ridicule and/or verbal harassment?
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:50 AM
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19. I don't think he's a GOP spy
I think he's a desperation gasp from frightened people to buy into the right-wing propaganda that liberals can't be effective military directors and managers.

So...you don't think Dennis Kucinich can make competent decisions about foreign affairs? You don't think the man can decide who to fight and when without degrading the security of the country? Why don't you support someone who has the greater goal of peace in mind, instead of someone trained in military thinking? Maybe that will bring people in who are tired of seeing Americans die for the pet projects of politicians and potentates.
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Rocinante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:02 AM
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22. I love Dennis
but get real. We have to actually get someone elected. In the ideal world he's as good as it gets but I just don't see that it will ever happen.
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:35 AM
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27. and the antithesis of Kucinich is the answer?
At least Kerry is a more median choice!

Seriously, though, what are Democrats? Do we believe that we should fight the war on terrorism, or end it?
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Rocinante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:05 AM
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30. Antithesis of Kucinich?
Clark? Maybe but I got a gut feeling about Clark and that's all. I could never believe he's a war monger just from what I've heard him say. As far as the war on terrorism surely all Democrats can agree that it should be fought on terrorists instead of made up shit to try and get cheap oil that's not so cheap anymore. Taliban is back, Osama is still alive, so there's not the kind of war going on on terrorism that an elected Democrat would wage. Democrats have enough sense to do it right, just look at what Clinton and Clark pulled off, however there were innocent lives lost. While writing this I wonder- what is the trade off for justice for the many if innocent lives are lost? What is the acceptable cost of innocents? I wish I knew, it's a heartbreaker.
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Dhalgren Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:55 AM
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51. No, there can be no "war" on "terror".
That was bullshit from the get-go. There are groups and nations in the world that are at odds with US policy and policy implimentation. These groups and nations oppose the US to varying degrees - some with violent attacks. We, as a nation, should address these groups and nations in a rational and truely constructive way. If war against some or all of these groups and nations is necessary, then wage it to win and not to conquer. And wage the war in a constitutional manner - with the congress declaring war and the nation, as a whole, waging it.

Anyone who thinks we should just leave all this up to the president - Dem. or Repub. - is not thinking in a turely democratic, rational way.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:47 AM
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28. Get real?
people have been repeating the mantra that DK is unelectable from the beginning. IMO most of the present candidates CAN beat Bush. I will not fall for chosing a candidate out of fear. I don't think Bush is nearly as strong as so many of you think. Lets pick our candidate for what they can do for the country not out of fear of 'big bad Georgie'. Not many good things come from decisions made out of fear.
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burr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:42 AM
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31. A am real.
If you love Kucinich the best way you can help him as a Democrat..is by voting for him and spreading his message, not doubts and insults. It will not be Kucinich's agenda that would prevent him from winning but Democrats who doubt he can win, and because of these doubts alone believe he is not worth supporting.
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jfkennedy Donating Member (219 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:03 AM
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23. I think Clark was a Republican before he defected
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 02:03 AM by jfkennedy
I have no doubts that Clark was a Republican but as long as he has defected to the liberal wing of the democrats I don't mind.

I know for a fact Dean will not win.

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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:01 AM
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29. "I know for a fact Dean will not win." You have some insider info????
Enlighten us, please. And provide some links while doing so.
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burr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:45 AM
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32. I know for a fact Dean can win...
:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:14 AM
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36. I THINK THE CLARK ASTROTURF HAS BACKFIRED !
:evilgrin:
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:31 AM
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37. I think Clark looks really cute in black turtlenecks!
That's what I think.

I hope we get to see more of them turtlenecks, too.

Grrrrroooooowwwwwwwllllll.
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bearfartinthewoods Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:50 AM
Response to Reply #37
40. oh please.....
more more more posts like this to validate limbaughs arrousal factor BS.
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tjdee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:04 AM
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47. Well, I'm not blind.
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 11:07 AM by tjdee
I couldn't care less if Jeff Christie feels validated or not.

I don't like him *because* he's good looking, but that's a perfectly normal and reasonable observation--especially in a thread that hosts claims like "I think Clark eats babies".

Unless we should watch out! People may turn against him if he eats babies, LOL!

:-)
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Blue_Chill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:47 AM
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38. Clark headed up the military project that created the chupacabra!
"Project chicken killer"

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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:27 AM
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41. An artist's interpretation of the REAL Wesley Clark.
Take a good look at this drawing, then you decide if he's fit for the Dem nomination.

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Blue_Chill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:55 AM
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43. haha that was good
lol!
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:25 AM
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44. The Clark supporter are in one's word "thin skinned"
Why is it ok for the Dean supporters to post articles and opinions that motivate their candidate, but the Clark supporters get hammered. He has said all along that he would not declare until the end of summer and why should he declare his party affliation before he declares his candidacy, the man works with and is involved in some non-partisan issues. Why should he destroy that net work that is a valuable tool for future good works if he decides not to run. And lastly who in the hell do we think we are when we think that it is up to us to decide who should be "wlcomed" into the Democrat Primaries, talk about blowing smoke up our asses. Last I checked this was supposed to still be a free country and anyone could decide to run and if we had half a brain we would listen first and decide second. I have listened and read and have picked Clark as the candidate I would like to support in the primaries but if turns out to be Dean I will work as hard for him in the general election.
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #44
53. "...who in the hell
do we think we are...?"

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:22 AM
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49. it is sensable to question clark...very healthy indeed considering the
state of affairs in america today ...i'm on your wave length
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:35 AM
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50. does Wesley Clark walk the talk on Global Warming?
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 12:16 PM by cosmicdot
According to a supporter on one of the Clark blog sites, he walks the talk ... and, this is based on his being recently selected to be Chairman of a company's Board of Directors ... WestCrest Labs Dulles area of northern Virginia ...

WestCrest Labs is a Va.-based technology company that has developed a breakthrough electric propulsion system that transforms electrical energy into mechanical motion – and vice versa – with exceptional power and efficiency. The WaveCrest Adaptive Motor‘ system has a wide range of transportation, energy and commercial applications, including light transportation vehicles, wheelchairs, windmills, mass transit and automobiles.

Wesley Clark is, also, a Board member of a German owned-company, Messer-Griesheim, (Hoovers: "The air always smells like money to Messer Griesheim"), which is involved in chemicals; and, SIRVA, a transportation, moving, storage firm, which operates in more than 40 countries in Asia, Australia, Europe, and North America. Among its brands are Allied Van Lines, Global Van Lines, North American Van Lines, Pickfords, and Allied Pickfords.

I would think transportation involves polluting by the nature of the game.

I'm a Kucinich supporter; and, present snips from here and there taken from his campaign and House websites as exhibits to some of the reasons I believe he is the leader we need to get us on 21st century track.

I only ask for Clark supporters to reduce doubts or concerns. Perhaps supporters know of some environmental initiatives the General implemented in his military work -- even the military should participate in environmental concerns ... it could be the smallest of things or contributions. I don't know.

The blogger suggests that Wesley Clark walks the talk on Global Warming, and asks "Can any of the other candidates make such a claim?"

I can't answer the former; however, I offer my candidate's work in this area to answer the latter.

from Blog site:

"And another thing!
What really stands out to me is the fact the General Clark is actually DOING something about global warming. He isn't just spewing out false support and getting people angry about polluters. He is working to supply us with alternative clean energy sources.
If you are not familiar with the work of Wavecrest check out this link: http://www.wavecrestlabs.com/index.html
Again, this man actually does what he says. He walks his talk.
Can any of the other candidates make such a claim?"

Posted (name removed) at August 12, 2003 02:01 AM


Gen. Clark also serves on the boards of Messer-Griesheim, Acxiom Corporation and SIRVA Corporation.


from hoovers.com

Messer Griesheim

Chemicals
Basic and Intermediate Chemical & Petrochemical Manufacturing
More Industry Information


Messer Griesheim Industries -- the US subsidiary of Messer Griesheim GmbH -- produces and supplies industrial and specialty gases (such as oxygen, nitrogen, and helium), mostly for manufacturers and medical facilities. It also supplies related items such as welding equipment and thermal cutting systems that are made by other companies. Although gases are usually supplied to customers by truck and cylinder, some customers, including some that produce steel and chemicals, are supplied via pipeline or by on-site facilities built by Messer Griesheim Industries. The company, which does business as MG Industries, operates about 80 production plants in the

Messer Griesheim GmbH
Fütingsweg 34
D-47805 Krefeld, Germany
Phone: +49-21-51-37-9-0
Fax: +49-21-51-37-9-91-15
Primary US Office
Subscribers Only 
http://www.messergroup.com
Covered by Peter Partheymuller


The air always smells like money to Messer Griesheim. The company is a major producer of industrial gases, used by medical facilities and a variety of manufacturers. In addition to supplying gases (such as periodic-table staples oxygen, nitrogen, argon, and helium, to name a few), Messer builds gas plants for customers. The company delivers gas through on-site facilities and pipelines, as well as by truck and in cylinders. Although it operates in more than 30 countries worldwide, its focus is Europe and the US. In the US, the company supplies gases through Messer Griesheim Industries (MG Industries). Goldman Sachs, Allianz, and the founding Messer family each own about a third of the company.

SIRVA, Inc. (NYSE: SIR Proposed)
700 Oakmont Ln.
Westmont, IL 60559 (Map)
Phone: 630-570-3000
Fax: 630-570-3606
Toll Free: 800-234-2788


Whether you're moving across the street, across town, or across the ocean, SIRVA will get your belongings where they need to be. One of the largest moving companies in the world, SIRVA operates in more than 40 countries in Asia, Australia, Europe, and North America. Among its brands are Allied Van Lines, Global Van LInes, North American Van Lines, Pickfords, and Allied Pickfords. Other SIRVA operations include logistics, household and business relocation services, and insurance. Funds managed by investment firm Clayton, Dubilier & Rice own 81% of SIRVA.

Transportation Services
Trucking
Moving & Storage Services (primary)
Logistics Services
Insurance
Property & Casualty Insurance


from Kucinich campaign and House websites:

As President, I will lead the way in protecting our oceans, rivers and rural environments -- and I have been speaking out on these issues across America. I will also lead in fighting for clean, affordable and accessible drinking water --which is an emerging global concern. Over the years, I have worked hand-in-hand with the environmental movement on many battles, from thwarting a nuclear waste dump to boosting organics to demanding labels on genetically-engineered products. I've won honors from the Sierra Club, Friends of the Earth and League of Conservation Voters.

Last summer, I was one of the few U.S. officials at the World Summit on Sustainable Development in Johannesburg. To repair the earth, America must lead. A Kucinich Administration would reverse course on most Bush Administration policies and support the Kyoto Treaty that Bush rejected. My Administration would strengthen environmental laws and increase penalties on polluters. It would provide tax and other incentives to businesses that conserve energy, retrofit pollution prevention technologies, and redesign toxins out of their manufacturing processes. Nontoxic, safe substitutes for hazardous chemicals must become permanent.

I will initiate a "Global Green Deal" for renewable energy, to provide jobs at home, increase our independence from foreign oil, and aid developing nations with cheap, dependable, renewable energy technologies like wind and solar. A clean environment, a sustainable economy, and an intact ozone layer are not luxuries, but necessities for our planet's future.


Clean Air and Global Warming

Congressman Kucinich is committed to keeping our air free from pollution. In June 2002, he testified before the Senate Committee on Environment and Public Works during the hearing: Benefits and Costs of Multi-Pollutant Legislation, on the public health and environmental benefits of the Clean Power Act. Congressman Kucinich stressed the ethics of enacting multi-pollutant legislation, for air pollution adversely affects society’s most vulnerable groups, including children, the elderly and those with weak immune systems. He is a cosponsor of multi-pollutant legislation introduced in the House, the Clean Smokestacks Act, which would require significant reductions in power plants by four key pollutants: mercury, nitrogen oxide, sulfur dioxide and carbon dioxide.

In addition to working for improved clean air legislation, he has also actively opposed rollbacks of the Clean Air Act. In March 2002, he wrote to Administrator Whitman to oppose U.S. EPA’s proposed direct final rule to approve Ohio EPA’s weak nonattainment New Source Review program and has sent Dear Colleagues to House members opposing New Source Review rollbacks.
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Kellanved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:20 PM
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55. Messer Griesheim
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 05:22 PM by Kellanved
is a Subsidiary of the Hoechst AG; now part of the German-French Enterprise "Aventis". A major pharmacy/chemicals/GM producer.


On Edit: the Allianz group bought 66% of Messer Griesheim in 2001.
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