What Free Republic Is Saying About The Debates

[InfoMinister]

I saw this posted on the Kerry forum. These are comments from Free Republic

"Even THEY know Kerry won. From Free Republic (a very pro-Bush site):

"This is a sad thing. I am panicking....Bush is not doing well at all."

"I agree. The President is taking this very personally and it's affecting his delivery."

"You're not alone....and this topic is the President's strength.

I have a heart heavy with dread and disappointment."

"Bush is trying to remember points covered in debate prep instead of sitting back and talking as he does on the campaign trail.
Bush is not smooth, is too defensive, and is allowing major openings to pass.

This is not going well for Bush, I'm afraid."

"Well we just lost the election.

The President looks like a wimp and responding very poorly. Kerry is confidant and hitting all his points. Kerry sounds convincing.

I think kerry will convince the fence sitters and add the fraud to the mix we will lose.

And I though GWB was going win by a landslide.

What the hell happened to the President.

I just hope that my expectations were so high that any performance by GWB would be poor and any performance by kerry would be good.

I am not very happy right now."

"Kerry is looking really good.....very articulate, many facts back and forth.

BUsh is just saying the same talking points.

THIS IS A DISASTER!

I am just about ready to shut it off....Kerry is going to shoot up in the polls like crazy next week.....it is going to be horrible."

"Oh crap.

Kerry just gave a zinger to Bush on the enemy attacking us.

Kerry is winning by FAR.

Disastrous."

"Bush needs more facts, I am very ardent Bush supporter, but Kerry has facts, Bush is not hammering Kerry on things he has said and done in the past. He keeps talking about the messages. Bush needs to get on game or he will lose ground in the polls after tonight."

"Bush is phumphering and sticking too much to catch phrases and cliches.
He is definitely not winning this debate."

"Bush needs to stop hunching over... When shown from behind, as they're doing often, he looks awful, insecure... He needs to be erect.
Man, I don't know how so many of you see this 180 from me. I think that for those who don't know the truth (of Skerry's lies), he's going to convince many that HE's more qualified

His comment ..."Of course I know SBL attacked us. I know that"... What??? ARRRGGGHHH. He's doing AWFUL!!! Wake up folks, and be honest with yourselves."

"Didn't he practice at all?! Geez....he has no facts and figures...Iraq is a huge success, but the American public needs him to clearly tell us...he ain't doing it.

PRAY FOR HIM"

"Bush seems a bit intimidated. Bush still has time, but if he doesn't turn this around, then Kerry's going to benefit quite a bit from this debate. "

"Easy, amigo....if Bush is getting his ass kicked - because he for some reason is NOT rebutting Kerry's lies - he's getting his ass kicked. There's no denying it.

So far, Bush's performance deserves complaints....and if you think I'm a Kerry supporter, have a look at my posting history, Newbie!"

"THIS IS HORRIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!

We may have lost the election tonight. "

"W- keep the sarcasm out of your voice- it sounds condescending."

"You know, my husband is really making me depressed. He is saying Bush is losing this debate"

"No he's not. Forget about what they're saying. Kerry's attitude and manner are better, and on TV that, unfortunately, is the key."

"I don't think W is doing well at all. I know he's not a smooth talker, but he's way on the defensive and that's because Leher isn't asking anything tough for Kerry to have to defend."

"I totally agree. If Bush says "it's hard work..there's a lot of good people out there working hard...." I'm going to scream.


"He is definitely not winning this debate.
I'm afraid you're right. Bush is trying to remember talking points instead of sitting back, relaxing, and just pointing out all the stuff he knows.

Kerry is very good. He's got command of the facts. Bush is speaking in general platitudes.

I don't like this. Bush is doing just about as poorly as he possibly could do."

"I agree. I had to shut it off for fear of rubbing my face in the floor in frustration. Bush used a 30 second rebuttal to say the same thing he said four times already. Word for word. And even stuttered and stumbled while saying it.

ARGH, here goes the polls up for Kerry. I love Bush, but I don't think he's done well with this. People have gotten bored and moved on to CSI reruns or something on cable by now."

"Kerry IS looking good but his facts are not factual. I agree this is looking like a disaster. This debate is hanging on style NOT substance. I agree. I am scared to death."

"W has the facts and the message, Kerry has the rhetorical slicks. The mushy middles don't care to process facts. They go for looks. We'll be down in the polls over the next couple days.
I wish that the President's stage presence had been better tonight. He lost some ground, IMO."

"Damn...I thought it was just me. I live in Austin, TX and have seen W in large & small gatherings, and he is SO stiff tonight (over coached?) and Kerry is smarming charm all over the stage, and probably the undecideds.

Content-wise..W is the man..but his usual natural ease, appeals to common sense, and subtle humor just AIN'T there tonight!!! What happened?"

"I think I'm going to be sick. This is not good.
I'm afraid we may get 4 years of a panderer in chief. And I don't mean President Bush."

"Mr Bush is definitely on the defensive. I really hoped it would go better. I was disappointed he did not somehow link Iraq with the 9/11/01 attacks at al qaeda.

I thought the last time that Gore did better than Bush but polls didn't really reflect this. So hopefully Mr Bush will come out of this better than I think he is.

Again though, Dick Morris was wrong! He said Bush would cream Kerry in the debates. I wish Dick had been right this time."

"I feel sick in my stomach. I think Kerry is winning hands down. I hate to say it, but its what I feel."

"Listening on radio....The President doesn't sound so hot. Sen. Kerry sounds authorative....even though everything he's talking about is all 2nd guessing."

"I don't think I have ever seen such a lopsided debate. Bush has lost his footing if he ever had it.

Kerry supported every decision made and is not being held accountable.

Bush sounds like a high school cheerleader speaking against a seasoned veteran.

It is most regrettable."

"Agree. President Bush must stand straighter. He is leaning on the podium which is not a commanding position for any debate. Keep praying everyone...that is the best we can give President Bush."

"There are millions of Americans who (wrongfully) think Bush is shallow, dumb, airhead, an idiot.
I don't think Bush has changed a single mind.

There are countless millions who belive the Dem lies that Bush lied time and again...

Not only did Bush not change any minds, but I'd bet my bottom dollar that he's added millions more to the ranks by NOT CHALLENGING SKUMBAG SKERRY."

"Did you hear when Kerry caught Bush in the Saddam did not attack us on 9/11 moment?

What was Bush's response....."of course I know OBL attacked us."

THAT was his response? THAT!!!!!!!!!!

THAT WAS INCREDIBLY WEAK. THAT ONE LINE HAS COST US MANY VOTES TONIGHT."

"I agree, unfortunately. I'm watching on CSpan with the split screen, and GWB looks too fidgety and frustrated. "

"Been watching for an hour.

Bush is like Reagen in that first debate. He sounds beleaguered, and his plaintive tone is unpresidential.

He is on the defensive, and is the LOSER in the debate. He invokes the extra reburral when he has lost the point, and doesn't know enough to let it go when he has little more to say.

I went in thinking Bush would be the powerful victor. but Kerry owns Bush in this debate.

I hope no intelligent undecided voters are watching!"


- http://forum.johnkerry.com/index.php?showtopic=84572

[sjr5740]

1. LOL

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I love it!!!

[gospelized]

2. what?

that can't be real. i don't believe freepers would talk like that ever.

that's satire. has to be.

[DrBB]

3. I just nominated this thread for the homepage

Been on a couple of sites tonight, all lefty, all crowing, but of everything I've read this is the most promising. And I'd like it to have it right up front.

Thanks for braving the slime bog that is Freeperland.

[theshadow]

4. You can't fool me...

... I know you made this all up. Those comments are what WE'RE saying. Seriously, thanks for posting it.

[spooked]

5. WOW THANKS for the great list!

Are you SURE they were really saying those things in Freeperland?! lol

[InfoMinister]

9. Well, I Can Ask The Kerry Board Member For a Link

[deadmessengers]

6. I am loving this.

Bush got his ass kicked. I knew it, you all knew it, the talking heads on MSRNC and CCNN knew it, and even the Freepers know it. I can't WAIT to see the bounce.

[PatriotGames]

7. Did I just hear a freeper's head explode?

HAHAHAHA, damn I feel good right now.

[WLKjr]

24. those are the quakes in Cali,

the freepers out there exploded all day today.

[Zorra]

31. Yes. And here are the exclusive pics..

[truthbetold]

8. Wow.

"Mr Bush is definitely on the defensive. I really hoped it would go better. I was disappointed he did not somehow link Iraq with the 9/11/01 attacks at al qaeda."

...WTF?! Maybe that's because even HE knows there's no connection there, you Freeper moran.
GAH.

[jdj]

40. But he did.

And it fell flat.

Kerry didn't let him get away with anything.

[MattBaggins]

10. Why are the freepers worried

If kerry wins it will be becuase God wanted it and has ordained Kerry as their new savior.

[tuckessee]

11. Wow!

I haven't heard even a sound byte from the debate but if a fair number of FReakers are saying those kinds of things and not getting banned by the mods then Kerry must've just simply kicked ass and the whole world knows it.

[DainBramaged]

12. Bush never rebuted a single charge by Kerry, he blew it

And now, forever, Haliburton and Bush are linked.


He's toast.

Throw the trash out.

[TrogL]

13. President Bush got h is head handed to him.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1231992/posts?q=1&&page=2401

Without reading the prior posts, I believe President Bush got his head handed to him. I can't believe how inarticulate he was and had such a smug look on his face.
More importantly, I was disappointed that with Kerry babbling on about coalitions that Bush did not speak of sovereignty until his closing remarks. I was also disappointed that Bush did not tell Kerry he has no way of knowing the intricacies of the innner circle's state policies.

And why did it take Bush in his closing comments to finally make the point of keeping terrorism offshore? He eluded to that frequently about being on the "offense", but didn't make it clear about taking the fight to them.

Also, I kept hearing "talking points" from Bush, which is usually the demcRATs M.O.

[deadparrot]

14. Well, I'll be a very happy camper in politics class on Monday!

So many freeps to chortle at.

But we have to remember: two more debates left.

Expectations are lowered even more. Kerry has to keep his energy.

[Toots]

84. You don't lower expectations of a sitting President

It is one thing to be a candidate for office and have lowered expectations but from the President of the United States you must have the very highest expectations. They can not ever get away with that one again. We not only expect more but we demand more from our President.

[DemoVet]

15. Freepers are a pessimistic bunch by nature anyway

That's why they're conservatives. Remember, these people hold the keys to all of the branches of government but to hear them talk they're the most disenfranchised group in the country. BTW, one of them posted that Kerry had to have been given the questions beforehand because he was answering them without waffling like he usually does. Morons.

[KayLaw]

53. Freepers are not conservatives

I'm from a conservative military family who are genuine conservatives and can assure you this new group of Republicans are not at all conservative. Most have just been misled by corporate propagandists who want to blow and/or steal their tax dollars, pollute their air and land, and ship their jobs overseas. You can see by some of the comments how confused they are. They are trying to figure out why Bush didn't call Kerry on his " lies."

I just hope some will have the courage to admit to themselves they've been lied to by this group. It's normal to feel embarrassed after being taken by a flimflam artist but what adult hasn't been fooled at one time or another?

[yardwork]

72. You're right. The freepers believe the lies.

That's why they're disappointed in shrub's performance. They can't understand why he isn't telling the "facts" as freepers know them - the freepers really believe that Saddam was responsible for 9/11, that Iraq is going great, that there were WMD in Iraq, etc. etc. The freepers believed the lies.

shrub tried to sneak in a couple of lies last night but Kerry was ready and rebutted very effectively.

The truth is coming out - slowly but surely.

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. WOW we won

we definitely won, John Kerry threw it out of the ballpark and then some

[progressivebydesign]

17. My favorite quote there.... it's a gem!!!! Check it out!

"Bush sounds like a high school cheerleader speaking against a seasoned veteran."

Does anyone else see the deliciousness in this comment?

[samsingh]

20. good catch - recognizing that Kerry is a veteran.

[TOhioLiberal]

57. Good catch...

recognizing Bush* is a cheerleader...:)

[Cat Atomic]

18. "He needs to be erect."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

[proud patriot]

19. This by far is my favorite one

""Mr Bush is definitely on the defensive. I really hoped it would go better. I was disappointed he did not somehow link Iraq with the 9/11/01 attacks at al qaeda."

BAWAHAHAHAHAHA :D

[Joefess]

21. Fuck Free Republic!

What do you expect those sheep to say. Besides BAHHHHHHHHHH...

[Vickers]

22. "This debate is hanging on style NOT substance."

Ha!

It's not TRUE, but...how does THAT feel, motherfuckers?

[WLKjr]

23. Well Well Well

been trying to tell those fucking bozo's for 4 years now, and they suddenly see the light????


The next person I see that tells me GWB is a true leader, one of two things will happen, either I punch them in the face and tell them to get some brains, or I laugh uncontorllably at them every time I see them.

[Swamp Rat]

25. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[goforit]

26. I shed no tears for these folks!!!!

[fob]

27. Best. Post. Ever.

And nominated...

[Hutzpa]

28. They sound like squabblers to me!! ROLMAO!!!

those f**king 'Little Hitlers'

[SammyWinstonJack]

77. Sore Losers!

They just need to GET OVER IT!

[shanti]

29. cognitive dissonace is a mug!

LMAO!!!!

[mitchum]

30. The piss ant freepers can...SUCK ON IT!

It is too much to hope that this will lead to mass suicide in their ranks, but a boy can dream :)

[Forkboy]

35. I'll hand out the nooses and cyanide

:)

[mitchum]

38. And I've got the razors and warm baths covered

:)

[ironflange]

32. This could very well be fake

I doubt if any genuine freeper would say "It is most regrettable."

[bloom]

33. This is great -

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[qwlauren35]

34. THANK YOU!!!

That was a whole lot of fun to read.

It scares me a bit. I'm scared of what Republicans do when THEY are scared about an election...

But right now, I'm just going to enjoy this moment.

[drscm]

36. Maybe *Bush can come over and cry with them, love them, laugh with

them and then send all their sons and daughters off to Iraq.

[Qanisqineq]

37. Gen. Clark commented on the right-wing blogs

saying the right-wingers were pretty disappointed with how the debate was going. I believe he said this on the Daily Show.

[DrBB]

39. Yeah, on TDS

I heard it too--thought that was pretty cool. The man has class, and part of me--a pretty big part--still wishes he'd got on the trail sooner and made it to the end. But I suspect we'll be seeing a lot more of him in the Kerry Administration.

[The Minus World]

41. Slam Dunk, and a Shattered Backboard

This is the absolute ideal scenario for Kerry's campaign. Not only do they have Bush on the defensive, but they have his core constituency in panic mode. Facts seem to have the same effect on hardcore republicans as turning on the lights has on cockroaches - they reflexively scatter and hide in a safe place. Tonight, they were not allowed to scatter. Tonight, every single one of them had to sit down and listen to the facts, whether they liked it or not.

Kerry did a wonderful job of laying out solid evidence and statistics, all of them were irrefutable, and Bush's only responses were flailing attempts to characterize Kerry as a flip-flopper. This is the hard brick wall of reality that many of those armchair pundits at FreeRepublic need to experience before they go through the necessary phases of questioning their candidate's integrity, and then mustering up the nerve to stray from their ideological stubbornness to vote for a democrat.

[Comadreja]

42. I thought Kerry got in the KO early..

By beating DIMWIT to the punch on "flip-flopping." He revealed Bush as a FFer, but said there's a term for that the president's party likes to use.HAR HAR!!!!

[The Minus World]

46. Bush Bent his Wookie

Yeah, that was a really subtle dig at Bush's grade-school "Kerry is a flip-flopper" routine. It showed that Kerry has the ability to fire back and defend himself without being explicit and contemptuous. That puts him in incredible contrast with Bush, whose whole campaign is based on juvenile repetition of half-truths and appeasements for his core followers.

If the rest of the debates go this way (and they will), Kerry's going to enjoy solid media coverage of his positions on key subjects - not just forehead-slappingly ignorant right-wing interpretations of them. When Kerry starts getting accurately represented in the media, that's when we'll see some permanent damage to Bush's poll numbers.

The great thing is not just one or two little polls, but ALL major polls show Kerry as the candidate of choice by an UNDENIABLE margin when it comes to his handling of foreign policy questions tonight. And that was supposed to be Bush's *strong* point!

[belle]

60. Yes, that was lovely.

The speech was just full of elegant but deadly stabs like that.

[Skittles]

43. F*** YOU FREEPER ASSHOLES

GOT NEWS FOR YOU - THE WAY BUSH BEHAVED IN THAT DEBATE IS THE WAY HE REALLY IS. And you f***ing IDIOTS want four more years of his idiocy??????????????????????????????

[Brundle_Fly]

44. my favorite

I was disappointed he did not somehow link Iraq with the 9/11/01 attacks at al qaeda.

isn't this just saying I am sad that the President didn't lie?

fucking funny.

[Pax Argent]

89. Especially given that GW himself has admitted

that there were no connections between Iraq and 9/11. To his credit he managed to keep that much straight.

[LoZoccolo]

45. FR - more liberal than the professional talking heads and experts...

...who are speculating on whether or not it was a draw.

[Technowitch]

47. Sweet!

This makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside. :D

[xxqqqzme]

48. don't U just love how

they keep saying Kerry has the FACTS....well, hello, squatter's never been real comfy w/ facts. His lies R so much better 'n roll off his non-existent lips - 100,000 Iraqi troops indeed!

[gandalf]

49. FOLKS -- THIS IS A FAKE!!!

It is funny -- but I'm afraid it is a fake. I was not able to find these comments on FR. I used the search function.

In this above mentionend johnkerry forum there is no link to the posts either.

It would be too nice (and too funny) to be true.

[Anarcho-Socialist]

51. They're not fake

I recognise some of those posts from earlier when a DU thread linked to a FR thread.

[gandalf]

52. Indeed? Can you show me this DU thread, please?

Thanks.

[bpilgrim]

59. here is the FR thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1231992/posts?q=1&&page=801

not 'fake'

peace

[belle]

62. These are nice, and likely real I think:

To: TNCMAXQ


Oh well. Even Reagan got his clock cleaned during the first Reagan/Carter debate.

This is painful to watch. I hope the next one is better for Bush.

865 posted on 09/30/2004 6:34:12 PM PDT by asgardshill (Got a lump of coal? Tell Mary Mapes to 'shove it' - in 2 weeks you'll have a diamond.)



To: pubmom


oh, this is making me so angry. I want W to calm down. I know I;m angry, but he needs to stay cool and likeable.

876 posted on 09/30/2004 6:34:39 PM PDT by fightinJAG ("Tell the truth. The Pajama People are watching you.")


To: NYC Republican

Why isn't Bush challenging his lies!!??!! ? ?ARRRRGGHGGGHHHHHH!!! He needs to fight back!!!

i agree. Bush is doing better but hes still letting some whoppers get by.

883 posted on 09/30/2004 6:34:55 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftist are willing to do for a lie?)

To: All

I'm worried. COME ON DUBYA, BRING IT!!!!!!!

893 posted on 09/30/2004 6:35:07 PM PDT by RushCrush (Defeat Daschle! Donate to John Thune at www.johnthune.com)

To: BladeLWS

I CAN'T STAND IT..EVERY QUESTION IS STACKED AGAINST BUSH...EVERY QUESTION.

896 posted on 09/30/2004 6:35:16 PM PDT by Hildy (The really great men are always simple and true)

To: kellynch

feels like bush is on a low boil...and building up a head of steam....still waiting for him to just throw down

932 posted on 09/30/2004 6:36:59 PM PDT by tuff_schlitz


To: Howlin; All

Ugh! This is a nightmare. Bush seems nervous. I can't believe the stuff Kerry is saying. This is sooo wierd.

Sounds like Kerry is campaigning for president of the UN.

943 posted on 09/30/2004 6:37:25 PM PDT by Gal.5:1 (rainbow flag= celebrate God's promise to Noah!)

To: Hildy

Like Michael Savage is saying, Lehrer, the baggy eyed Bolshevik is setting Bush up with these questions.

948 posted on 09/30/2004 6:37:36 PM PDT by stratman1969

To: I'm ALL Right!

TOTALLY SLANTED QUESTIONS

sKerry knows the questions. (I'll put on my tinfoil hat now)
949 posted on 09/30/2004 6:37:41 PM PDT by zip ((Remember: pingDimocRat lies told often enough became truth to 42% of Americans))

To: RushCrush

COME ON W

Wipe that disgusted loook off your face and COME ON!

951 posted on 09/30/2004 6:37:42 PM PDT by lawgirl (I like knowing where my President is every night- at home in bed with his wife!)

To: Dog

I have turned it off...the deck is stacked against W.....Kerry is lying at every turn..

&&&&&

Kerry is not bound by the constraints of truth and reality.
for W it is like debating jello that can speak!

981 posted on 09/30/2004 6:39:05 PM PDT by maica (Kerry: I'm tan from the sun. Bush: I'm George from the earth.)

To: Howlin

A stone cold heart makes Kerry look good and Dubya's passion is getting the best of Bush. Shame that heartless bastard can look good.

995 posted on 09/30/2004 6:39:35 PM PDT by Lady Jag (I dreamed I surfed all day in my monthly donor wonder bra <https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate>)

To: SamAdams76


Jim Leher can go right straight to hell.


1,000 posted on 09/30/2004 6:40:01 PM PDT by fhayek

To: All

That's a dirty lie! We did go as a last resort!

1,003 posted on 09/30/2004 6:40:06 PM PDT by conservativo

Oh kay, this is so slow... But basically:

you don't build a coalition by trashing our partners, like Poland!

It is necessary work, Pres. Bush.

I hate this. I cannot stand a known traitor to the U.S. military even having any stupid chance of being elected to be Commander in Chief.

However, I believe and have faith. and...

Oh Lord... Please help this president, who has so much faith in you. Please help the United States, a country with so many gifts and talents, please help us use those gifts and talents and resources for the betterment of all of humanity.... in Jesus' Name, we pray.

Okay /prayer: SHUT UP EFFIN'... dont' tell me about North Korea's weapons. gee, thanks Bill Clinton. grrrrrr........

To: what's up

Kerry has the speaking ability, I think it's fair to say. But the message is all wrong. I'll take someone who has the right message over the guy who's eloquent at speaking crap.

1,016 posted on 09/30/2004 6:40:56 PM PDT by July 4th (You need to click "Abstimmen")

1,015 posted on 09/30/2004 6:40:50 PM PDT by proud American in Canada (Oh, by the way -- thanks for the Internet, Al!)

[belle]

63. Oh, and this one made me laugh out loud:

To: Tribune7

"YOU FORGOT POLAND!" Kerry just lost the Polish-American vote.


935 posted on 09/30/2004 6:37:05 PM PDT by tellw

[belle]

64. More freeperage (damn, I'm enjoying this)

To: Brimack34

You know nothing about me. There are few people on this site more devoted to President Bush than me. that said, he is not doing well in this debate.

I also have YEARS of debate experience and speaking, and trust me- W is not winning. He is smirking and coming across as very defensive. #1 no no. There is no room in debate for emotion.

1,034 posted on 09/30/2004 6:41:35 PM PDT by lawgirl (I like knowing where my President is every night- at home in bed with his wife!)

To: Perdogg

Kerry just called Bush a liar a dozen times, to his face, in front of America and the world...

Bush's response is fairly meek... He didn't even say, I can't believe you're calling me a liar...

ANOTHER missed opportunity.

1,051 posted on 09/30/2004 6:42:57 PM PDT by NYC Republican (Skerry talks about building coalitions...He voted NO in the Gulf War, Yes this time...Flip-Flop Liar)

To: MHT

Bush is only doing well when he forgets the time limitations and just goes for it. Kerry has violated the rules in mentioning names of people who endorse his ideas. W. is too defensive and Kerry is dominating this like it's a press conference.

Hafta agree. It seems Bush is getting so infuriated with this freak's audacity that he's not thinking straight. I'm praying for Bush. G-d help him! And show Kerry for the fraud that he is.

P.S. Why does Skerry get so much time to talk?

1,059 posted on 09/30/2004 6:43:17 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe ( Jammin' in my jammies)

To: proud American in Canada

Oh Lord... Please help this president, who has so much faith in you.

I just finished crying while praying the same thing. Please, Lord, bless our country with another 4 years of this good and decent man.

1,075 posted on 09/30/2004 6:43:59 PM PDT by mombonn (kerry . . . he spent 20 years in the Senate and doesn't have much to show for it. ¡Viva Bush/Cheney!)

To: DocRock

The president should stand straighter, square his shoulders, and speak with a more definitive inflection in his voice. In the early part of this debate, there was a twinge of desperation in his voice. He seems to be settling in now.

1,080 posted on 09/30/2004 6:44:08 PM PDT by Ol' Sox (Issa u Akbar)

To: Emzloh

This is unbelievable. These questions are so stacked against Bush. What a scam.


1,089 posted on 09/30/2004 6:44:32 PM PDT by Sparky760 (The sleeping Giant has been awakened)

To: July 4th

Kerry is lying all the way. It's easier to talk smooth when the whole thing is made up. Bush needs to take speech lessons to get that painful tone out of there. Bush can speak movingly and does, but not consistently.


1,101 posted on 09/30/2004 6:45:01 PM PDT by RightWhale (Withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty and establish property rights)


To: VisualizeSmallerGovernment

Even so, if Pres. Bush doesn't go home and BITE HIS PILLOW TO SHREDS BECAUSE OF ALL THE LIES KERRY IS TELLING, he's a far better man than I already imagine him to be! I don't know if I'll be alive by the end of the last debate. If I pass away, please say prayers for me.

1,105 posted on 09/30/2004 6:45:05 PM PDT by no more apples (God Bless our troops)

To: Max Combined


"Kerry didn't let go of Bush's hand at the end of their handshake." I saw that too. Kerry is such a small man. What a cheap trick.

The A$$hole takes advice from the DUmmie board, some idiot suggested that the other nite over there!


1,106 posted on 09/30/2004 6:45:05 PM PDT by blondee123 (Proud Member of the FR Pajama Blogger Brigade - New Sheriffs in Town!)

To: ErnBatavia


I give up, you and your whiney Kerry is winning posse can have this board. People are reading this from all over and saying look even his support is complaining about his performance, this is ridiculous.


1,109 posted on 09/30/2004 6:45:22 PM PDT by aft_lizard (I actually voted for John Kerry before I voted against him)

[belle]

66. ...and still more!

To: SunnySide


Have you been a Freeper as long as I have? Anyone can check my history of posts. I am a solid conservative, and I say Dubya is getting spanked. It totally sux.

He obviously is not a gifted debater. Kerry left several doors wide open and Dubya didn't take a single one. My fav? Right after Kerry bashes the Iraq war, Lehrer asks him if it was a mistake. Kerry answer, "Of course not!" Bush could have hanged him right there and then. :(


1,135 posted on 09/30/2004 6:46:57 PM PDT by fideist

To: rube


" ...from the git go W looked unfocused, hesitant, and stumbling."


He looks like somebody put some distracting tidbit in his ear just before he began. Something really unsettling.

1,152 posted on 09/30/2004 6:47:47 PM PDT by Domestic Church (AMDG...)

To: KnutCase


Kerry taking notes, using note pad....violation of debate rules. Who will call him on it?

It's not a violation -- the rules specify that they're allowed to take notes with pen and paper that have been submitted for approval.


1,158 posted on 09/30/2004 6:48:00 PM PDT by TBarnett34 (The Democrats: 9/10 girlie-men in a 9/11 world)

To: TBarnett34


Only girlie men have fake orange faces


1,162 posted on 09/30/2004 6:48:18 PM PDT by Honeybunch


To: fourthrider

Kerry just broke rules. No more debates.

1,181 posted on 09/30/2004 6:49:30 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)

To: Constitution Day


The Pottery Barn rule is

You break it, you bought it. (or ...you own it.)

What the hell is "You break it, you fix it?" Is this like the Brady Bunch when they tried to glue the vase?

What a putz.


1,207 posted on 09/30/2004 6:50:44 PM PDT by Petronski (DEMS: Kim tested, Osama approved.)

To: nopardons


It's so hard to post now. so I'll use my time to pray for our President. Holy Father, surround your faithful servant, George W. Bush, with Your loving peace. Give him the words needed to make our citizens understand the importance of his presidency in this present evil world. Let truth show brightly. Amen.


1,222 posted on 09/30/2004 6:51:23 PM PDT by small voice in the wilderness (Quick, act casual. If they sense scorn and ridicule, they'll flee..)

To: rdl6989


I turned my headphones off...I can't take it anymore.


1,236 posted on 09/30/2004 6:52:18 PM PDT by meema

To: goodnesswins


This whole thing was set up to put bush on defensive. I think that they saw how he reacted to the last attacks at a press conference and how bush got agitated and off message. This whole debate stinks of liberal set-up.


1,250 posted on 09/30/2004 6:53:06 PM PDT by freethinkingman

To: MMkennedy


This is a sad thing. I am panicking....Bush is not doing well at all.

You're not alone....and this topic is the President's strength.

I have a heart heavy with dread and disappointment.


1,252 posted on 09/30/2004 6:53:10 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia

To: BradyLS


he's using it them to say anything that sounds good, regardless of whether it's the truth or not.

And it's hard to listen to BS when you have character. C'mon Pres Bush, be a cowboy, remember, this is GIRLIEMAN!


1,261 posted on 09/30/2004 6:53:36 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe ( Jammin' in my jammies)

To: Irish Eyes


This is just too painful to watch. Kerry keeps giving his stump speech, and waving his hands all over the damned place. Hasn't answered one question so far, and will not (cannot) give specifics even when Lehrer's question asks for "specifics" or "specifically". Dubya needs to jump all over those diversions that Kerry keeps throwing out, but instead, he is laying back, and it does not look good. The message from the MSM, tomorrow, will be that Kerry trounced Dubya. The sheeple will follow that lead because they think the MSM is so damned smart.

I'm pissed; there goes the lead right down the crapper.

1,263 posted on 09/30/2004 6:53:37 PM PDT by thelastvirgil (Idiot-proof ANYTHING, and someone will build a better idiot.)

To: jays911

Kerry's a dirty player. He purposefully waited until Bush was halfway across the stage to make his opening appearance. This gave his handlers the ability to cue the audience supporters to distinguish his entrance with cheers. It was pretty low down but effective. It threw off the President.

Also Kerry's great at 20/20 hindsight. And making sound like he would have seen the myriad of unexpected challenges with greater success. He's the high school smart ass. He's the brown noser at work. He's the guy you love to hate.

1,292 posted on 09/30/2004 6:55:00 PM PDT by kinghorse

To: Keyes2000mt

Bush winning 7-2.

How do you know that? Where are you getting your numbers, please.

1,318 posted on 09/30/2004 6:56:20 PM PDT by SheLion (FnKerry is coming unglued before our very eyes. Let's watch the melt down.

To: TheLion

Pray for rain on election day. A giant cloud hanging over the entire country dropping a constant, steady shower. The lazies won't get up and go to the poles and vote for the donkey as they were told. Only the dead get up in places like Chicago and go vote in the rain.

I am surrounded by dems at work. People I really like but who vote like mommy and daddy or single issue people.

1,334 posted on 09/30/2004 6:57:42 PM PDT by Taffini (One of the pajama people)

To: freethinkingman

Bush needs more facts, I am very ardent Bush supporter, but Kerry has facts, Bush is not hammering Kerry on things he has said and done in the past. He keeps talking about the messages. Bush needs to get on game or he will lose ground in the polls after tonight.

1,336 posted on 09/30/2004 6:57:46 PM PDT by shoedog

To: kinghorse; All

Bush needs to stop hunching over... When shown from behind, as they're doing often, he looks awful, insecure... He needs to be erect.

Man, I don't know how so many of you see this 180 from me. I think that for those who don't know the truth (of Skerry's lies), he's going to convince many that HE's more qualified

His comment ..."Of course I know SBL attacked us. I know that"... What??? ARRRGGGHHH. He's doing AWFUL!!! Wake up folks, and be honest with yourselves.

1,342 posted on 09/30/2004 6:58:06 PM PDT by NYC Republican (Skerry talks about building coalitions...He voted NO in the Gulf War, Yes this time...Flip-Flop Liar)

[ronnykmarshall]

68. Waaahhhhh! We're taking our marbles and leaving!

To: fourthrider

Kerry just broke rules. No more debates.

1,181 posted on 09/30/2004 6:49:30 PM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)


=====================================================================

What an asshat!

[belle]

74. ...and the beat goes on...

To: Right_in_Virginia

Didn't he practice at all?! Geez....he has no facts and figures...Iraq is a huge success, but the American public needs him to clearly tell us...he ain't doing it.

PRAY FOR HIM.

1,347 posted on 09/30/2004 6:58:17 PM PDT by tuckrdout (Grant Teri Schindler (Schiavo) her wishes: Divorce and LIFE!)

To: Godebert

Bush is not known as a great debater. Kerry is. Even with all that Bush is winning because he is articulating plain logic and common sense people can understand.

Bush doesn't have to come across as a great debater. If he just ties he wins. Kerry is the one with the hurdle. He has to have a knock out plus explain his crazy positions plainly. He is not doing it. Just more blowhard stuff.


1,397 posted on 09/30/2004 7:00:35 PM PDT by plain talk

To: Trueblackman

Kerry is now slipping- sounding very stupid. Mentioning dumb stuff like the Cuban missile crisis.

W- keep the sarcasm out of your voice- it sounds condescending. W should be having an easier time than he is.

1,417 posted on 09/30/2004 7:01:04 PM PDT by lawgirl (I like knowing where my President is every night- at home in bed with his wife!)

To: TheGeezer

You know, my husband is really making me depressed. He is saying Bush is losing this debate.

1,425 posted on 09/30/2004 7:01:20 PM PDT by tirednvirginia

To: dead

catch phrases and cliches

I totally agree. If Bush says "it's hard work..there's a lot of good people out there working hard...." I'm going to scream.

1,438 posted on 09/30/2004 7:01:44 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! ("When the going gets weird, anchor men punt." - Dan Rather, election 2000)

To: rwfromkansas

>BUsh is just saying the same talking points.

I agree. I had to shut it off for fear of rubbing my face in the floor in frustration. Bush used a 30 second rebuttal to say the same thing he said four times already. Word for word. And even stuttered and stumbled while saying it.

ARGH, here goes the polls up for Kerry. I love Bush, but I don't think he's done well with this. People have gotten bored and moved on to CSI reruns or something on cable by now.


1,448 posted on 09/30/2004 7:02:15 PM PDT by sandbar

To: tirednvirginia

Your husband must be talking to my husband. He keeps coming downstairs and filling the room with doom and gloom.

1,493 posted on 09/30/2004 7:04:17 PM PDT by jbarkley ("In this springtime of hope, some lights seem eternal; America's is." ~~Ronald Reagan)

To: Constitution Day

I am on Mr.C4E's laptop in the living room while watching the debate. We are both yelling at the TV. I wish I had a dart gun to shoot darts at the screen and hit Kerry. Kerry is just continuing with the spewing forth his rhetoric of usual garbage. AHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

Red

1,516 posted on 09/30/2004 7:05:40 PM PDT by Conservative4Ever (With Rather doing all this backpedaling...he should be wearing pedal pushers.)

To: ATOMIC_PUNK

My husband who is watching the debate just told me that he thinks Bush is pissed!!

1,563 posted on 09/30/2004 7:07:49 PM PDT by Cricket24

Please Lord, give the President your wisdom to hit it out of the park in these last 25 mins.

In Jesus name,

1,572 posted on 09/30/2004 7:08:12 PM PDT by Battle Hymn of the Republic

To: Ol' Sox

Agree. President Bush must stand straighter. He is leaning on the podium which is not a commanding position for any debate. Keep praying everyone...that is the best we can give President Bush.

1,573 posted on 09/30/2004 7:08:12 PM PDT by crionlion

Been watching for an hour.

Bush is like Reagen in that first debate. He sounds beleaguered, and his plaintive tone is unpresidential.

He is on the defensive, and is the LOSER in the debate. He invokes the extra reburral when he has lost the point, and doesn't know enough to let it go when he has little more to say.

I went in thinking Bush would be the powerful victor. but Kerry owns Bush in this debate.

I hope no intelligent undecided voters are watching!

1,576 posted on 09/30/2004 7:08:20 PM PDT by Beelzebubba (Your Friendly Freeper Patent Attorney)

To: kristinn


Kerry's BS is tough to plow through. But Bush is tougher. Hang in there.

I'm trying O FReepmeister - I'm really trying...but Bush seems unable to call Kerry on his misrepresentations (read: lies). So far, I'm disappointed. Bush's bumbling tonight isn't helping his case either.

Maybe I just need a beer - or two.


1,585 posted on 09/30/2004 7:08:43 PM PDT by ErnBatavia ("Dork"; a 60's term for a 60's kinda guy: JFK) 0

To: sinkspur

Bush did very well on North Korea and Sudan, but he got creamed on Iraq.

1,642 posted on 09/30/2004 7:11:21 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)

To: section9

Thanks, Chris, for this one hopeful post ...

This debate sickens me, maybe because I care so much.

1,651 posted on 09/30/2004 7:11:34 PM PDT by proud American in Canada (Oh, by the way -- thanks for the Internet, Al!)

Finally a good question...but a missed opportunity from Bush.

Love him, but he ain't built for the 10 second sound bite.


1,683 posted on 09/30/2004 7:12:59 PM PDT by Wormwood (Iä! Iä! Cthulhu fhtagn!)

To: SunnySide


Quite obviously, you don't know me.

But what am I to expect from someone who first claimed everbody criticizing Bush were 'Rat trolls and parasites, and now he lacks the integrity and fortitude to admit his error when he is proven wrong? Choosing instead an ad_hominem attack on me.

No wonder you think Bush is winning this debate.


1,745 posted on 09/30/2004 7:15:37 PM PDT by fideist

To: Raycpa

kerry is a fact man. that is what makes him look good. he is like a computer that simply figures out the issue category and spits out negative facts relating to it.

however, he has no output on what his actions will be plus of course, he is lying through his teeth.

bush--you need more facts. you need to say all the accomplishments of this war and administration and have said nothing about it.


1,770 posted on 09/30/2004 7:16:17 PM PDT by applpie

To: MplsSteve


My big concern are the people out there (undecideds) who watched only the first 1/2 hour and saw Kerry doing better than expected.

My wife thinks Bush is doing well, but I've turned it off.

Bush couldn't do worse if he had planned to do worse.

And I love this man like a brother.

This is definitely going to help Kerry. Bush can recover, but another performance like this, and he's dead.


1,774 posted on 09/30/2004 7:16:27 PM PDT by sinkspur ("John Kerry's gonna win on his juices. "--Cardinal Fanfani)

[belle]

75. ...and on...

To: schouston


I have to agree. I almost feel sorry for Bush. He has not done well while Kerry, despite his record of flip-flops has shown himself to be a good debater. He is a liar though...he just said that he has never waivered. I don't know that this debate will make a difference in the election though. As another poster said, it's like watching a train wreck.


1,825 posted on 09/30/2004 7:18:19 PM PDT by Blowtorch

To: proud American in Canada

I too am really concerned about this debate, but I know God is in control. I have, as well as others, prayed for this debate. I am fasting right now. I do think we are too close to this & care too much.

1,865 posted on 09/30/2004 7:19:55 PM PDT by Linda Sandoval (Hockeymom for Bush)

To: MplsSteve


I'm not new and I'm not down on Bush, but I do feel that W brought a boxing glove to a knife fight.

This is not good from Hillary's view.


1,890 posted on 09/30/2004 7:20:49 PM PDT by Poincare

To: USA_Soccer

It is obvious Kerry had the questions beforehand. He can't even answer straight at a news conference ordinarily. The press and media are determined Bush is going to lose. They gave him the questions.

1,952 posted on 09/30/2004 7:22:45 PM PDT by Hattie

To: PsyOp; sinkspur; All


i hate to have to say this, but i think those who say that Bush is winning this debate re whistling past the graveyard.

Bush is getting his ass whipped, and the tragety is he doesn't have to.


2,036 posted on 09/30/2004 7:26:42 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftist are willing to do for a lie?)

To: freepertoo

OOOHHH Lehrer gave W a HUGE softball and W let it go.

"I dont' take it personally"- yes you do W! That's why you're so upset!

he's looking fratboy. And here comes Kerry calm and focused- not good for W even though Kerry is still talking mumbo jumbo.

2,050 posted on 09/30/2004 7:27:27 PM PDT by lawgirl (I like knowing where my President is every night- at home in bed with his wife!)

To: Freemyland

It's over. Thank you, Jesus!

2,101 posted on 09/30/2004 7:29:31 PM PDT by hellinahandcart

To: PsyOp; sinkspur; All


One more thing. i think many freepers on this thread would have done better than Bush did tonight.

This is not defeatism. This is reality, and i pray Karl Rove and Bush will learn from this.


2,141 posted on 09/30/2004 7:30:38 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftist are willing to do for a lie?)

To: traviskicks


yea I don't get it.... Why couldn't he use them? They're right! So frustrating watching him sit there and take it.

Maybe that was what the bush camp wanted to happen. Let Bush sit there and take all the jabs in the first debate, and just tense up and take it again, and again, turning cheek after cheek... might gain support from people... People love a strong underdog. Then in Round two the bruised and embattled warrior keeps taking the jabs but towards the end gets a few swings of his own..., and finish strong with a round 3 with a flurry of punches and an uppercut sending the senator down for the count and the crowd goes wild!!!?

Or he was really tired from visiting with people in Florida today. Either way. God Bless Mr. President Bush. :)


3,600 posted on 10/01/2004 2:10:49 AM PDT by PureSolace (I love freedom.)

[phylny]

81. I *love* this:

"The lazies won't get up and go to the poles...."

Heh.

[Mixxster]

76. I just read through the thread you posted.

It must have been scrubbed. Nothing seriously critical of Bush there.

[gandalf]

83. Thanks, bpilgrim

At the moment I cannot connect to the FR server.

Maybe I erred in my judgement. But I was unable to find this thread via their search engine.

[Elidor]

55. The original FR thread got pulled

[pinniped]

50. Assclowns.

Quote from dumbass:

There are countless millions who belive the Dem lies that Bush lied time and again...

------

These morans are so far beyond help.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

54. Thanks for doing the work for this post....EXCELLENT!!!

[VaYallaDawg]

56. Anybody got some Kool Aid we could offer them?

[elehhhhna]

58. there are quite "fociferous" in their despair. bwa ha ha!

[movie_girl99]

61. this is fabulous

I know Kerry kicked ass last night but reading this puts a huge smile on my face.
I expected to come in to work today ready for an earful from my repug coworkers but they are eerily quiet. Meanwhile I am strutting like a proud peacock.

[absolutezero]

65. Sweet!

The enemy is demoralized, kerry is going to be the next president. I'm sure of it now.

[Occulus]

87. Two more debates. Less than a month to elections.

Now is NOT the time to become that optimistic. Now is the time to dig in.

[Lerkfish]

67. duh!

"Mr Bush is definitely on the defensive. I really hoped it would go better. I was disappointed he did not somehow link Iraq with the 9/11/01 attacks at al qaeda."

maybe...I dunno...because THERE ISN'T ANY LINK?????

;)

[oc2002]

69. lol!!

That was just too funny!

[LiberalPersona]

70. I'm amazed

that so many right wingers have admitted that Kerry won this one.

[Red Fox]

71. No, what is important is to forget this victory and

Enter the next 2 rounds with the exact same attitude: as a challenger.

Perhaps even with more dedication and concentration now, since it's pretty clear to everyone JK is no underdog anymore.

(Sorry for the Hajime no Ippo rip off)

[kskiska]

73. L.commers were even suggesting

that Lehrer had supplied Kerry with the questions beforehand. You could tell by the way Lehrer approached Kerry after the debate, shook hands, and winked at him.
:crazy:

[mitchum]

78. Kicking (them when they're down)

SUCK ON IT, LURKING FREEPERS

[Fire Bush]

79. I'm buying stock in pharmacuticals.

Cause I got a feeling sales of Xanax and Paxil are going through the roof in the coming weeks! :evilgrin:

[blueblitzkrieg]

80. I collected these quotes. I'm NM4Kerry on the Kerry forum...

and they are NOT FAKE. I collected them while the debates were going on. There were 3,000+ posts on their live debate thread and I probably read only a couple pages and came up with these. These were just the tip of the iceberg.

I don't know if they were deleted or not, but I can assure you these are 100% retard freeper.

EDIT: and the reason I didn't directly link to the Free Republic thread is 'cause on the Kerry forum links to anti-Kerry websites are deleted

[Was_Immer]

82. I hate how the freakin Media spinned it as a draw

It went from a Kerry victory to a draw. Freakin media is in the REPUKES pockets.

[Nimrod]

85. "I hope no intelligent undecided voters are watching!"

Well, looks like they've figured out that the unintelligent voters are the ones they can count on.

[ronnykmarshall]

86. That's the best one!

It's making the rounds on various boards.

When there backs are against a wall, freepers really show how stupid they really are.

[kentuck]

88. Bush looked like Dan Quayle.

Not Ronald Reagan in his first debate, as one freeper said.