Who's worse? McCain or Giuliani?

[Jack_Dawson]

I've really lost respect for both these chumps. They've been reduced to partisan hacks, like Karen Hughes. Actually I think Giuliani is worse.

[jn2375]

1. No McCain is, he knows Dudya is killing this country

but won't stop campaigning for him,

[dogman]

2. McCain

He's been victimized and accepted it. Giuliani has simply cashed in. They both want 2008 so they'll do anything to be there.

[Philostopher]

5. I agree -- of the two, McCain is the more pathetic.

The way they treated him during the Republican primaries in 2000, he should have sat this one out. Giuliani is just a carrion vulture, picking up leftovers.

[Mandate My Ass]

8. He's like a whipped dog

subserviently licking the hand that beat him.

Giuliani is and always has been an opportunist but there's something particularly disgusting about McCain's conversion.

[Philostopher]

10. I agree -- Giuliani probably would sell his grandmother

for the value of her corneas, but I always thought that about him. He's a true blue Republican.

McCain is broken, somehow. I'm beginning to agree with some others here on DU who think either he's been threatened by the BFEE or they already know where he has a body of some kind or other buried. Typical Republicans hold a grudge -- some of them, for their entire lives. That he didn't hold one, as vicious as Bush* was to him in South Carolina back in 2K means there's something gone horribly missing in McCain.

[Snotcicles]

23. Those must have really good jobs shithead promised them n/t

[K-W]

3. Giuliani by far.

He is just an opportunist as best I can tell. He was a moderate when it suited him, he is a right wing extremist now that he thinks 9/11 and the Bush administration are the bandwagon to jump on.

McCain has on occasion shown the ability to have something resembling principles. I think Guiliani elected to be a hack, I think McCain just doesnt know better.

[Jack_Dawson]

6. But McCain of all people should know better...

I thought that's what set him apart...that he was an independent thinker? I respect Joe Scarborough about 1,000 times more than either of these guys, because he at least called the debate like he saw it - instead of towing the party line. It really is disappointing that nobody has any principles left.

[K-W]

11. No, the problem is that people thought he was something he was not.

McCain was never really an independent thinker. McCain managed to think a little independently on a few issues. But once he started doing things differently, he was rewarded by becoming one of the most popular politicians in the country, so he kept up that appearance. But with the republican party as it is, he can only be so maverick before he gets booted. He has always done things that have been politically rewarding for him.

[papau]

14. I agree - Giuliani has lived off of the success of Boston police chief he

and that fellows approach of making little things "more civil" will cause folks to demand - and get via peer pressure - a better town.

9/11 was an undeserved image booster - the same that Bush got.

Giuliani has no achievements and sucks as a role model - hell I think that qualifies him to be the next GOP/Media sweetheart!

[RoyGBiv]

4. Six of one, half a dozen of the other ...

Hard to tell much difference really. The only thing that might swing this in "favor" of Giuliani is that he too often plays the 9/11 pity card for his own political advantage. It's rather disgusting.

Giuliani also flat out lied when speaking with Jon Stewart after the debate. Thankfully Stewart, as a comedian, actually has some journalistic integrity and wouldn't let him get away with it.

[immoderate]

7. It's five of one, half dozen of the other.

Cholera or Scurvy?
Ignorance or Stupidity?
Flood or Famine?

Some choices are soooo hard. Where's my meds?

--IMM

[whistle]

9. Giuliani is not a chumpt, he is pure evil, a total liar and corrupt to....

...his core being!

[Jack_Dawson]

24. There is something very Greasy about Giuliani

I thought he handled 9/11 very well. I didn't know or care what the fuck he was, Dem or Repub. Turns out I guess he was a Repub and became very public about it. Then partisan. Then an all-out shill. How can he look at himself?

[genius]

12. Giuliani had his mistress living with him while he was mayor

I have some strong moral objections to that man regarding the way he treated his wife.

[DinahMoeHum]

13. Giuliani is worse - he actually believes his own bullshit.

He tries to portray himself as a tough guy - but he was way overrated as a prosecutor. He can't kick a duck in the ass unless he stands on a brick, and even then, more than half the time, he'll miss.

:evilfrown:

[NEOBuckeye]

15. John McCain has sold out his own soul.

The way Rove smeared him in the 2000 South Carolina Primary should've pushed him well beyond the point of no return with Bush. That McCain is standing so steadfastly behind Bush now shows that he'll do damn near anything to have a shot at the Presidency, even if it compromises his honor and integrity. It would have been far better for him to remain silent and avoid expressing his preference for either Bush or Kerry, and leave people wondering what his true views and intentions were. He looks pathetic and desperate supporting Dubya -- especially when Jeb is probably going to get the next crack at the Presidency in 2008 whether his brother wins or loses.

I agree that Giuliani is just in this for the money. September 11 was like the jackpot for him, and he's been riding it ever since.

[vinnievin777]

16. There is no doubt that Gooniani is the worst.

He was the first divider.
Vinnie
http://www.vinnievin.com

[Skittles]

17. throw Bob Dole in there too

it's very disconcerting watching these people whore for Bush

[Jack_Dawson]

18. Dole went from crotchety to funny and back to crotchety

A disappointing transformation. And his attacks on Kerry's service were absolutely disgraceful.

[Nicholas_J]

19. Guiliani

Was a well known item in New York as being a nasty son of a bitch, abusive to city employees, cutting benefits. He was most abusive to the very people who risked and lost their lives on 9/11. He cut the police and fire departments number of employees, cut their budgets, over worked them, refused to give raises to people who didnt earn enough money to even live in the city that they risked their lives to defend. New York City Firemen made something in the area of 400 dollars a week at the time of September 11th, and even during the period after September 11th Guiliani was fighting their unions in order to not give these people raises. Guiliani was NEVER a nice guy, ad all of the talk after 9/11 about the brave first responsders who risked and gave their loves was pretty much political bullshit that Guiliani was using to shine up his political image. It was sort of the version of the little certificates that conservative emp[loyers give you at work for a job well done in order to avoid giving you anything substantial, like a raise. Guiliani is really scum of the lowest order. It is claimed that he brought New York City back, but he did so on the backs of many workers and long time employees of the city. One of his last attempts, to end rent control in oder to turn New York City into the playground of the mega rich was the most obnoxious, elitist act on record.

[nostamj]

20. Guiliani is making a FORTUNE

capitalizing on 9/11. and his shameless shilling for bushco is worse than McCain by far...

[SalParadise]

21. Which is worse: Smallpox or Cancer?

[Snotcicles]

22. I have zero respect for either

and it's a shame. Because I had at one time alot for both.
It just confirms that most republicans are just a waste of skin.

[roughandtumble]

25. Giuliani! No one blows as hard as Giuliani

Wasn't his first marriage to a relative? Like a first cousin or something? And when called on it, he just said 'I didn't know'?

[medeak]

26. agree

Giuliani was obscenely inane after debate. Embarrassingly so. Had no idea what a suck up he was.

[Maestro]

27. Guiliani

is much worse. He is nothing more than a pundit for the right wing. I saw him spin after the debate and it was ridiculous. He was a not-so-popular mayor of NYC until 9-11. Without 9-11 no one would pay attention to him. Before 9-11 he only made news when his grandson misbehaved or he had some legal proceeding about his divorce. He is a shrill!

McCain although I do not like his conservative views has a bit a respect from me because he is willing to question his party a bit.

[bagnana]

28. I hate Giuliani. I despise McCain.

Giuliani is a lying, disgusting sack of shit who would say anything to continue to curry favor and cling to the acclaim he won for his actions on 9/11 (which were, I believe, truly heartfelt).

McCain's support for Bush amazes and disgusts me not because of the insults he personally bore in 2000, but because of the insults made against his FAMILY. If someone ever dared talk about my family the way Bush and his evil scumbag disgusting bastard asshole cronies did, I would spit in their faces and NEVER EVER EVER forgive them, much less stand up on stage and HUG him. BLECH! How can he look at his wife and daughter in the face after the things Bush and co. said about them? (insane drunk wife, illegitimate love-child daughter?)

[MUSTANG_2004]

29. McCain. He's the reason we have

McCain-Feingold, a blatant violation of the 1st Amendment.

[vetwife]

30. McCain..Because he has been to battle and knows the truth !

[jackieforthedems]

31. I Don't Know

If you put all 3 in a bag and shook them up, I don't think any of them would come out on top.:shrug:

[951]

32. BOTH!

[Cats Against Frist]

33. Giuliani

They're both lame, but I think McCain is confused. Rudy, on the other hand, is a cocksure bastard.

[Michael Harrington]

34. Giuliani.

Why? Amadou Diallo. And many, many other now-dead blacks and browns, who were minding their own business.

Doesn't anybody give any credence to David Corn's semi-whimsical theory that McCain is staying close to Bush to subtly knife him and get some Refrigerated Revenge?

Not saying that I do, but I find myself seriouisly considering it more and more...

[TroubleMan]

35. Giuliani is much worse....look what he did in NY with his jackbooted thug

policy on law enforcement. He put civil rights back 80 years in NYC. It seemed like he wanted to employ martial law because doesn't like different cultures.

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

36. Giuliani is a bad liar

I notice he blinks incessantly