This Old House; Pearl Harbor and 911

[welshTerrier2]

I am not much on conspiracy theories but I found the following coincidence more than a little disturbing ...

This morning I watched a rerun of This Old House. It was an episode that had been filmed in Hawaii. Two of the show's main stars, Steve and Norm, took a little side trip to the Pearl Harbor Memorial Museum. They received a historical overview of "the day that will live in infamy" from a guy in uniform who I think was the head beagle of the museum.

He told them that the Japanese planes that attacked Pearl Harbor were launched from aircraft carriers that were stationed about 230 miles to the north of the island. He said that these planes had been picked up by U.S. radar but were ignored by U.S. personnel because the planes were confused with numerous B-17's that were scheduled to arrive around the same time from California.

If FDR let the Pearl Harbor attack happen on purpose (i.e. lihop to gain support for a war against Japan), the expected arrival of the B-17's could have provided the perfect cover. The result was either just unfortunate confusion or a direct stand-down order.

And this leads to the matter of mock drills being conducted by the CIA and perhaps other agencies the morning of 911 ... the drills were to simulate the flying of planes into buildings ... the drills are a matter of record ... what is less clear, at least to the extent of research I've done, is whether these mock drills resulted in any confusion whatsoever by air traffic controllers or military personnel ... or whether an explicit stand-down order had been issued because of the drills ...

If the neo-cons planned 911 and they were looking for a historical model, perhaps FDR provided them with an answer ...

[peacetalksforall]

1. The more I read and ponder, the more I think that PNACers and the

cabal aren't that imaginative or original - even with the ownership of the military and intelligence and a million think tankers. If Roosevelt allowed a LIHOP, then these people created a MIHOP, because though not so imaginative, they wouldn't want to be dittoheads and they couldn't wait for a synchronized 'coincidence'. OK, I'm applying strange logic to a strange 'Pearl Harbor' type simulation type happening that occurred on the same day at the exact time as the crime against America that was six years in the planning - so they tell us. And though it was a crime, they called it a war. Now whose crime is it? Or whose war is it? All kinds of lost lives for a plan (or by plan)?

There are many, many websites and books to come - until the day that WE KNOW.

[pen dragon]

2. They've stolen enough pages

from Hitler and Goebbels' playbook, why not FDR's as well. As much as I have always been an FDR admirer...the facts now seem to show he likely was complicit in letting Pearl Harbor happen after manouevering the Japanese into attacking.

With 12 years of depression resulting in threatening fascist and communist movements at home, and watching Britain in flames, Roosevelt may have weighed the situation and decided the US entering the war was inevitable and w2ould be best for the country economically, and best for world democracy in general. Popular opinion in 1940 was most definitely against the US entering the war, though I've always found it fascinating that if you check old magazines like LIFE and Time from the months preceding Pearl Harbor you definitely get the impression Roosevelt was building toward war.

Leaders letting attacks happen is not unprecedented. Churchill allowed the fire bombing of Coventry after learning it was about to happen. In some cases it has no doubt been justified when you look at the bigger picture

The PNACzis, if they let 911 happen, are twisted enough in their self righteousness to believe 3000 dead civilians were worth sacrificing for the bigger goal of what they perceive to be world security, with an overly militaristic America standing on top of the heap.

If they let 911 happen, or worsely were involved in its planning - they were not even remotely justified, more akin to Hitler burning the Reichstag and invading Poland than Pearl Harbor, and they should all be strung up like Mussolini.

just my 2 cents

[peacetalksforall]

3. What is not parallel with Pearl Harbor is what you mention....

We were in a depression. We went from hurting to opportunity of jobs, savings, homes, warm coats, and transporation.

With 9-11 we went from an economical high time (thanks to Clinton and his top notch advisors and new technology all hitting at the same time) to the depths of debt.

China is financing our debt. Saudi Arabia owns 17% of us.

Well, their attempts at pounding the drum for parallel patriotism is not working. While Ashcroft wants to jail those he and they perceive to be unpatriotic, their guise is exposed.

We are in a wildly tragic pit.

While Roosevelt was able to keep the peel on the onion, the layers are coming off with PNAC, the cabal, the media, the military, the intelligence.

What is not parallel, is that there is a possibility that we did 9-11 to ourselves by plan and execution. LIHOP vs MIHOP.

We have a couple of things to be thankful for - true patriots who don't approve of unwarranted killing and maiming and the destruction of nervous systems, immune systems, and life's fair opportunities and advancement as well as peace of mind for the benefit of corporations and the higher realm of the military and intelligence and white collared constitutitional thieves and destroyers.

We can be also be thankful for our ability to learn from each other.