Will you still hate Bush after he loses?

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

It seems that hating Bush is our one common ground at DU. Democrats, socialists, greens, libertarians, real Republicans, ABBs, anarchists--Bush has been our uniter, the one campaign promise he kept (besides fighting two wars at once).

So the question is, do we need to keep hounding him and his cronies AFTER he leaves the White House in January? Is it ENOUGH of a message to the rest of the world just to vote him out of office? Or do he and the rest of the neocons need to be PROSECUTED in order to restore America's credibility?

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. I'd like prosecution to happen, but it's not going to

So let's just leave it at him getting his stuff out of the White House as soon as possible.

[wtmusic]

3. If we let it go away it will

I'm more optimistic. War crimes charges would go a long way towards straightening out our international credibility.

[Cheswick2.0]

2. I don't hate him now... I think he is a classic borderline personality

anti social spoiled rotten rich boy.
I don't think we should ever give up saying he was unelected, the worst president in history and in office to exploit the american economy and taxpayer.

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

6. There will be a huge Repug academic effort

They will try to rewrite history as they have with Reagan. Don't we need to do the opposite--keep talking, at least, about what a disastrous failure the administration was?

[Ishoutandscream]

4. Yes, he ruined the peace and prosperity of the Clinton years

Every one of my investments are down, my kids' college costs will continue to climb, my health insurance is skyrocketing. And I've got it lucky. Just think of the numbers of lives changed (and lost) due to Bush's total ineptitude. I will hate him forever.

[jdonaldball]

5. Don't hate them. Prosecute them.

[Crunchy Frog]

22. It's not within my power to prosecute them

but I do hope that there will be massive investigations. Kerry is supposed to be good at that sort of thing isn't he?

The American people must have a chance to know what really went on during the Bush years, and as many people as possible should be prosecuted. It will all be in Kerry's hands. I hope he will go for truth over national reconciliation.

[n2mark]

7. After Shrub loses

We need to keep hounding and his cronies after he loses or else they will continue to defame America. Just because the Shrub is voted out of office, the dirty work of the neocons will continue if they are not stopped. Look what they did to Clinton? They will try to do the same to President Kerry!

We can't stop after the election.

[calimary]

52. Everybody please memorize this post by n2mark.

Just because bush may be defeated doesn't mean his machinery will be. They will live to fight another day - like maybe the VERY NEXT DAY. They will NOT go away, and certainly won't admit either defeat OR any mistakes.

Instead, they'll probably do what all trap-door spiders do - hunker down and remain on the alert for the next opportunity. REMEMBER THIS: They viewed the Clinton years as little more than a rude eight-year interruption in their "sacred" mission. I forget where I read that one of them, either cheney or rummy, had expressed the sentiment that they could now pick up where they'd left off, with their unfinished business, once they arranged for george to be installed in the White House. I think the PNAC manifesto was written in 1992 by wolfowitz and friends, wasn't it?

Here again, if it's inevitable that they've lost the election (so resounding that they're not close enough to steal it, and too many people are watching), they'll pull back a little and choose their next front man and buckle down on their inevitable comeback attack.

REMEMBER THIS, ALSO: Even if we send bush back to Crawford (and hopefully then to the World Court or some other such richly-deserved prosecution), the limbaughs and vanitys and coulters of the world will still be there, louder, more hysterical and frenzied than ever. They will be in full-on outrage that they got SO close to their world-conquest dreams only to have them snatched away by those DAMNED DEMOCRATS again.

These vipers are very good at several things, one of which is learning from mistakes. bush is incapable of learning much of anything (other than maybe new ways to sneak a drink or a snort or some hush-hush prescription) but not the rest of 'em. Consider: Has bush EVER submitted to questioning under oath? No, because he and his henchmen knew all too well what happened when Clinton did it. They've also been VERY careful to avoid Watergate-style traps - they're busy avenging Nixon's memory anyway, and they'll be damned if they let bush fall into that category, too - that's one too many close shaves with impeachment for them. They knew their biggest mistake back then was not suppressing the media. So they've made sure that annoying loose screw has been tightened this time, up to and including the "killing" of Dan Rather (extra sweet for them, their hatred of him goes back decades).

kkkarl rove will still be around. cheney - well, don't know how long he'll last because of his bad heart. rummy - well, his age is a serious factor now, too. But the rest of 'em WILL stick around to fight another day. I guarantee you they will stick around, radar turned up full, eyes wide OPEN, tentacles slithering out EVERYWHERE, with spies and newly-assembled and carefully nurtured underlings and new followers and other assorted "faithful." Their machinery (the Xtian "right" and the limbaugh/Pox "news" monopolies) is formidable and very securely in place, already.

These lice live and learn, and survive to strike another day. They seem almost like the starfish in that old story (wherein the fisherman caught as many as he could and tore 'em in pieces and threw 'em back in the water thinking they couldn't attack any more of his shellfish beds that way, only to find that all the torn-up pieces had regenerated all the missing limbs, and he had whole new armies of the damned starfish to face, before he realized it).

We need to remember this. We HAVE to be ready for this. This bunch will not give up that easy. Nor will they accept defeat - they'll be dragged kicking and screaming to it. Having tasted the highest heights of power, they will be LOATHE to give it up or give up on it in general when their election loss becomes unavoidable (and unspinnable).

Whether bush survives or not, we WILL be facing these thugs AGAIN. They WILL likely be new, younger, and totally reenergized. There WILL very likely be many more of them than even this time (when it already feels like we're completely surrounded). They WILL be EVEN MORE DETERMINED to lock it in PERMANENTLY next time, as they tried and failed to do this time (and DON'T kid yourself - they've come frightingly close this time). And they WILL have learned, yet again, from these mistakes.

Count on it.

And be ready.

[benburch]

8. Prosecution.

I simply want to see him tried for his crimes.

[Tyler Durden]

9. shit, I still hate his DAD.

I still hate REAGAN. I still hate NIXON and that motherfucker is DEAD.

Talking about this in public at the level of my hatred could get me arrested, as it has many others, even though I have no intentions toward anything physical.

[LDS Jock]

12. Reagan is dead too

"I still hate REAGAN. I still hate NIXON and that motherfucker is DEAD."

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

17. He was dead for so long before he died...

It's hard to keep track. Contrast Jimmy Carter!

[mimitabby]

51. i hate him too

[Ganja Ninja]

10. Yes! I'll hate him after he looses and I hope he's prosecuted.

If not here then in the world court.

[aden_nak]

11. Will you still hate bin Laden after he's captured?

No, it is not enough that he be voted out of office. What kind of message is that? Betray the country, use the military like it's your own personal merc squad, ruin the lives of millions, and as punishment, you'll be given a sweet pension and personal bodyguards for the rest of your life.

Bullshit.

If you commit felony after felony (and what he did, providing information he knew was false to Congress, constitutes a felony unless I am mistaken) you should pay the price. I'm tired of our judicial system coming down harder on pot smokers than it does on, well, on its own. Equal protection under the law should cut across social class as well as race.

You know when I'll be satisfied? When I can go to The Smoking Gun's mugshot gallery and use it as a Who's Who list of NeoCon has-beens.

[fugue]

13. Prosecution is necessary

The point needs to be made that no one is above the law. I think Bush and his cohorts were emboldened by Nixon being pardoned; they figured if he could get away with that, they could get away with more.

I shudder to think what they think they'll be able to get away with next time, if we don't prosecute the members of this administration.

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

18. Should Kerry hound them?

How should it be done? Who could he appoint as AG or SP that would bring them down?

[Crunchy Frog]

24. He shouldn't "hound" them,

he should investigate and prosecute them in a responsible and deliberative fashion. It should not look like a vendetta, but like an attempt to uncover the truth and bring about accountability.

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. 'til the day I die.

He has destroyed this country, has made me ashamed to be an American and ruined our reputation around the world. Yes, I'll hate him after he loses. I want to see his ass in an orange jumpsuit and handcuffs...along with his entire administration.

[demnan]

15. In short

yes and yes

Why? Thousands of lives were lost.

[newscaster]

16. Of course the hate will remain.

Just look at what this man has done to this country in the past four years....sending us into two wars and winning neither one, demolishing our economy, destroying a record setting surplus, making life more uncomfortable and more expensive for senior citizens, raping our environment, and destroying all the good will his predecessors had established for this country around the world.

He is by far the absolutely WORST president this country has ever had as well as the dumbest. Are we to give him a hug a nd send him on his way? I vote for kicking his butt all the way back to that weatherbeaten cluster of shrubs he calls a ranch and making sure he stays there.


BTW, have you noticed a lack of pictures of what his ranch house looks like. All other presidents have shown up their homes but I can recall seeing a single picture of the old homestead. Is he ashamed of it?

[PurityOfEssence]

19. Yep. May he live forever as an example of the evil of selfish privilege

I'm not going to get too worked up about it, since he will be ABSOLUTELY irrelevant upon losing. There is nothing he can do--other than becoming a fundy rabble-rouser--that will give him any place at the table of American politics. The right will shun him, he will hide, and the left will marginalize and dismiss him at every turn.

If anything means anything, evil of his stature needs to be fought.

[NewJeffCT]

20. I'm going to take a page out of the RW playbook...

For the next 4 years - everything bad that happens in regards to the economy or foreign policy or anything else - will be blamed on George W. Bush. If somebody even cuts me off on the highway, it will be because George Bush encouraged lawlessness in Iraqi prisons and it is now spreading to the roads of America.

[Crunchy Frog]

21. I will hate him as long as I live,

however, once he's gone, I don't intend to continue fixating on that hate. I will be very happy to leave him behind in the past. I will not do what the RW Clinton haters have done, although plenty of things will be going wrong here and in the rest of the world that Bush will be to blame for. I will not be ABB, (Always Blame Bush).

As far as the Neocons and the Christo-fascists go, their not going anywhere, and we need to do whatever we can to finally drive a stake through their heart.

W is only the face of a much larger phenomenon that we must continue to fight, or else it will just come back stronger and smarter.

[catmandu57]

23. Yes

I won't rest until that son of a bitch is buried underneath the prison.

[riverwalker]

25. until I die

I will pursue exposure of this administration like a tick on a dogs behind. Every lie must be exposed on the pages of every history book. The name Bush must forever be associated with lies, deception, greed, death, mass murders, war crimes, and an enemy of civilized humanity.
He is not dumb, he is not incompetant. He is evil.

[tech3149]

26. I don't hate him now and never did

I just think he has proven his inability to understand and serve in the position he fought so hard to get. I didn't raise an eyebrow when he was elected. I did question his qualifications. He had very little political experience and no impressive history of achievements. I expected a fairly moderate influence of the quality of life for the average man. I expected the political machine to understand that they needed to show some positive gain to the majority of the country to justify staying in power. I knew that the average person didn't know what went on in government, but if it didn't affect their daily lives they wouldn't need or want to get involved.
My desire would not be to prosecute those responsible (the administration), but to see a strong effort to educate the uninformed and change the perception of the public. If more people knew how they were influenced by what they see and hear in commercial media, they would be more critical in their decisions.

[indie_voter]

27. yes. n/t

[Hutzpa]

28. I HATE PERTRONISERS.....I REALLY DO!!!

Just incase people are wondering here is something to wet your appetite.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2448148

go there and keep loving this monster.

see how you feel, before even posing this type of question.

:grr:

[grace0418]

29. We will be feeling the effects of his misdeeds for

generations to come. Even if he is prosecuted for war crimes, as he should be, I will still hate him for what he's done to this country and our planet. Maybe he won't occupy my daily thoughts as he does now, but I will never forgive his ass face.

[ismnotwasm]

30. Yup

I don't even know if what if feel is actually hate. I want to see him prosecuted, do prison time, and then spend the rest of his life doing mandatory community service, so he can see some of the REAL results of his policies. He is only one person, but what he stands for covers a lot of ground and involves a lot of truly disgusting people. I will always hate what he stands for. Always.

[dansolo]

31. Yes - for the damage he's done to our country

It is going to take decades to fix the mess that he has managed in just four years.

[devinsgram]

32. I severely, severly, severely, dislike.

Hate is a very strong emotion. Look what it has done to the other side. I don't ever want to become like them.

[Zero Gravitas]

33. YES

Bush is the worst thing to happen to this country since Nixon, and Nixon was a better more honorable man than Chimpoleon and his sleazy band of crooks. President Kerry should take a careful look at what these lunatics were doing behind the scenes and, where appropriate, have them prosecuted. I would not be surprised if treason has been committed.

[VOX]

34. All extreme right-wingers are worthy of contempt...

Their agenda is not for the greater good of this country.

[robbedvoter]

35. Yes, and I hope everyone's memory is as good as mine or else

in 4 years we can let them in again.

[leesa]

36. I want him prosecuted for probable treason and war crimes.

[prayin4rain]

37. Yes, he is responsible for the murder of too many inncocent people...

to not hate him, in my opinion. But also yes more importantly he needs to be prosecuted.

[newyawker99]

53. Hi prayin4rain!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[blindpig]

38. yep, still hate Reagan & Nixon too, why discriminate?

though this shithead would make Nixon look tolerable if it weren't for all of the blood on Nixon's hands.

[kaitykaity]

39. No.

He's a pathetic little man. He's a nothing. After he
leaves office he'll have 30 years to be an ex-president.

I hate the people who surround him and support him.
I hate the RW blowhards who lie for him and attack us.

Once Bush is gone, we have to deal with the structural
problems that made him possible.

[Tom_Foolery]

40. Hell yes!!

And I think we all should protest when his damn presidential library opens.

[donheld]

41. it will take many years to recover from Bushie

and his cabal. so yes i will have a hatred of his policies for years to come. i also blame him and his administration for a lot of the vast polarization the country is suffering from

[Puglover]

42. the day that sneering self entitled swaggering little prick

leaves the white house is the last thought Ill ever give him. If I do think of him it will be in the same way I think about adolf hitler.

[Walt Starr]

43. Hate is such a negative, angst filled word

and it's not strong enough to descibe my feelings for Bush which will continue forever.

[shraby]

44. The whole white house

and at least half of the congress should be brought to justice for their crimes against this nation. The Kerry administration should bring the crimes to light and prosecute them...and there are many. When Kerry is sworn in, there will be no one to pardon the bastards and that is the time for all the indictments we've been waiting for to be handed down. January 21, 2005 is action day!!!!

It has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with justice.

[Andy_Stephenson]

45. If Kerry does pardon them

What will you do? Just curious.

[noonwitch]

46. No, he will be out of office then.

It's not worth hating him if he's out of power.

[progressivebydesign]

47. I don't hate George Bush.

I dislike him, I disagree with him, I pity him. Actively hating someone really takes too much valuable energy. I wish him well in his next job, as Baseball Commissioner.. which is what he wanted out of all of this.

[Cleita]

48. Yep. I still think we should go after him and his junta for

racketeering and war crimes. Living out a comfortable retirement in Crawford, starting a presidential library with his book, just doesn't sit right with me. The souls of the dead, who died not for their country nor for defense of their families, but for the whims of a petulant martinet, are clamoring for justice.

[patricia92243]

49. I dislike Bush as a person. He will continue to be the same evil person

when he is not president. In fact, he will probably be more nutty than he is now, and will no be able to hide it as well because he will not be as protected when he is a private citizen again.

On the matter of us staying united - Republicans will be on all our back more than ever - we BETTER stick together.

[mimitabby]

50. yup, he betrayed my trust.

[Swamp Rat]

54. Yes! Once an alien lizard always an alien lizard.

[mitchum]

55. I will hate him even after he is food for worms

[ProfessorGAC]

56. Yes. I Will Loathe Him, His Minions, and What They Stand For

The Professor

[Boo]

57. I don't really hate Bush...

... I hate stupidity in general.

Bush is nothing but a slave under the great almighty stupidity that seems to reign.

[kodi]

58. no, and i would hire him to work the sheep dip at the farm

the man is so full of shit that he would fit in fine around the sheep dip

[deadparrot]

59. Hating * takes too much energy.

Do I believe that he will burn in hell forever for what he's done? Yes, and that's satisfying enough for me.

[Raenelle]

60. Probably not. I didn't hate Reagan once he left office,

and I thought I would. So, though it feels like a weakness in my character, once he's no longer a threat to the planet, I'll probably quit hating him.

[Pegleg Thd]

61. I don't hate the bastard

I believe the air he is breathing should be reserved for someone who really needs it!!!!!:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[friesianrider]

62. I don't hate him now, I just want him to go away

And back to that shithole in Texas where he came from. Him and Jeb. The whole damn family.

That being said, I'll still remember him with the utmost disgust for the terd of a presidency he will have turned in come November :)