Can someone help me settle an argument that I had with a crazy freeper

[GingerSnaps]

I had an argument with a lady that works at my local grocery store. I was discussing job outsourcing with my neighbor when the freeper lady buts in and gives us her opinion.

She said that the outsourcing was going to China because the Chinese invented everything in the first place. She then told us that Bush took on a horrible economy in the first place and that is why corporations are outsourcing so that they can provide us with jobs. I then asked her what kind of jobs are they going to provide us with if they outsource all of them and she couldn't answer the question. She then repeated that the Chinese invented everything in the first place so they should be the ones manufacturing it.

This is the first time that I have heard anything like that. How does she rationalize that everything was invented in China and that the jobs should all go to their citizens?

:silly:

[Goldmund]

1. Freepers don't rationalize.

They synthesize.

[derrald]

2. that's _got_ to be the craziest argument I've ever heard...

I mean, really, it makes no sense whatsoever.

Ask her if Bush inherited such a bad economy, why did he say we needed tax cuts in order to spread the surplus around?

[mac56]

3. She sounds delusional.

You can't talk someone out of a delusion.

[wryter2000]

4. The economy peaked in March 2001

How in hell did Bush inherit a bad economy. I'm also sure the Chinese would be astounded to learn that they invented computers. Remember UNIVAC?

[MaryH]

8. No, it's true

The Chinese invented everything originally. It says so in the Book of Mormon.

[skylarmae]

12. You're kidding right?

[skylarmae]

10. Can you say abacus

[Tempest]

13. How many abacus' are being manufactured today?

Not many, if any.

[Maple]

32. You're sitting at one

It was the original calculator, later a computer.

Also oil drilling, paper, compass, rudders, cannon, rockets...

[wryter2000]

37. By that logic

The first person who invented the oxcart invented the automobile.

[shaolinmonkey]

5. What did the Chinese invent? An specific examples?

Blue jeans? Computers? Textiles?

Should we outsource all the cheesemaking jobs to Switzerland? Should Ore Ida move to France to make their french fries?

That's the stupidest argument I've ever heard. You should've kicked her in the shins. Okay, maybe not.

[H2O Man]

9. gun powder. However,

the lady is still nuts. Don't waste your time when there are constructive things you could be doing.

[mairceridwen]

28. gunpowder

that is why them freepers love them chinese oh so mush

[MaryH]

15. Fireworks

I wish we could outsource all of those on the 4th of July. They should only be allowed in China.

[davidinalameda]

6. why argue with freepers

they don't have a brain cell among the lot of them

[skylarmae]

7. I just start laughing and make light of it - you can't offer rational to

the irrational. Its like vinager and water don't mix.

[Dimsdale]

27. Not to be too critical..

but vinegar and water DO mix. Did you mean oil and water?

You're correct about trying to reason with them. How about trying to argue with someone who thinks Kerry isn't Presidential material because he supported Clinton? And Clinton is "of low moral fiber" or some such crap. How do you deal with THAT shit? You can't.

[Tempest]

11. Let's go down the list

Automobiles - USA
Telephone - USA
Television - USA

Gunpowder - China

The only thing the Chinese invented that's manufactured today is fireworks.

[Maple]

16. No, that's simply not true

Neither the American or the Chinese list

[MaryH]

18. Fine China -

It took forever for the Europeans to figure out how the Chinese did it.

[Maple]

14. Well I agree

that the Chinese invented an enormous amount of things used in the world today, but that has no connection to corporations outsourcing jobs there this year.

She seems to be making the assumption that the corporations are outsourcing on some moral grounds...to reward the Chinese for all past inventions.

And how any of this would provide jobs for Americans, I don't know.

[AIJ Alom]

17. AL GORE WAS WRONG ! THE CHINESE INVENTED THE INTERNET !

Seriously though ? What is the source of her information ? The Chinese didn't invent everything. They're great at supplying cheap labor in abundance. The cheap labor combined with no restrictions environmentally and no laws protecting workers churns out products. The products are then sold to Americans at the same cost (not a reduced cost a before). Bottom line: it's great for business and does nothing for the consumer. And it's not in business best interest to provide jobs here. I mean what do they need us for ? They can just outsource their delivery of the product to one of the large delivery companies.

[GingerSnaps]

25. LOL

I feel like an Idiot because I couldn't get more then one sentence to come out of my mouth due to the fact that I was in shock.

[AIJ Alom]

35. Don't dude. It's aight.

These people need zingers to wake them up. Consider yourself armed for the next time !

[fudge stripe cookays]

19. She probably thinks...

that because she buys some plastic geegaw at Wal-Mart that says "Made in China" that they invented it (instead of just manufacturing it).

FSC

[mdhunter]

20. That's a novel one

I think the burden is on her to demonstrate, by a few examples, what types of things have been invented in China and why they should be produced solely there. And, if she's talking about largely historical examples - say, the refining of rubber (I don't know if that's true or not) - at what point does the invention of something come into the domain of others? That is, when is something so widely used or employed that it is senseless to call it the property of one person or state?

[GingerSnaps]

21. My jaw dropped down from shock

I was lost for words and I couldn't speak for a few minutes. This was one of Bush's voters and she was delusional.

I think that she is a typical Bush voter because she had no means of understanding anything and her IQ couldn't have been over 90.

[saracat]

22. Spagetti! The Chinese invented Spagetti! Remember Marco Polo?

[TahitiNut]

23. Don't ask her to think any more.

If she did, it'd overload her peanut and interrupt breathing and other autonomic functions. This poor creature is equipped with a 7 watt bulb in a 100 watt world.

[demnan]

24. It's simple

Ask her how she would feel if she lost her job to someone living overseas and how would that improve the economy if she couldn't afford to buy anything (being unemployeed).

Always make it personal. Make her use her emotions in a new way.

Also ask her if she would believe it if her boss fired her and told her it was in order to provide more jobs.

[skypilot]

26. If the Chinese "invented everything"...

...then they can invent jobs for themselves. That's what you should have told her. But, of course, her statement is nonsense anyway.

[Demit]

29. Ha! Good one.

[fob]

30. When/if you see her again, say "Hello, Mrs Chang!" Because

the Chinese apparently invented uninformed assholes too.

[fknobbit]

31. Tell her how great it is

That she can survive Happily on alpo enhanced Ramen noodles when she loses her minimum wage job to a starving senior who will do it for much less.

[guntherconcept]

33. Chinese handcuffs

[guntherconcept]

34. Chinese fire drill

[nickinSTL]

36. Aside from everything ELSE wrong with that statement...

A lot of the jobs, particularly in IT, are going to India.

Does she think India invented everything, too? Or just computers?

[nostamj]

38. the Chinese have been STEALING

intellectual property and trademarks.

they produce cheap faux versions of just about EVERY popular american product.

the freeper is so stupid it's amazing she remembers to breath occasionally... she's certainly not getting enough oxygen!

[GingerSnaps]

39. It's the first time in my life that I was lost for words

I was in utter shock because I couldn't believe what this woman was saying. Where could she possibly have gotten that kind of information at?

[erniesam]

40. start by plagarizing Dick Cheney, then

tell her that the Chinese will use all the money they earn to build nuclear bombs that will then be exported to America.

[RapidCreek]

41. Call her a pinko commie sympathizer and walk away

RC