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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 04:03 PM
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In 2000, a second grade teacher told her class if their parents voted Gore
then they were going to hell.

My husband's boss, Tim, came to work angry b/c his daughter's second grade teacher told her class that. Did she get in trouble? Fuck no!

I don't feel one bit sorry for the one bitch that got in trouble for forcing her students to look at Bush, as long as assholes like Mary Elizabeth's teacher gets away with shit like this, cry me a river.
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 04:12 PM
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1. You didn't know that Gore was one of Satan's minions?
Damn, they'd really hate me, I voted Carter, Mondale, Dukakis, Clinton and Gore. I'll be cast into the deepest bowels of Southern Baptist hell for that!
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SoonerShankle Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 04:19 PM
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2. Not all teachers do right all the time, but
I stick to the notion that two wrongs don't make a right. You are way bitter, and way rude. Did your husband's boss complain to the principal, superintendent, and school board? Partisan behavior on the part of teachers is wrong, and not defendable (or defended) by teachers associations. But to post a picture of a sitting president along with other presidents is not wrong regardless of whether the party affiliation of the teacher and sitting president are the same. George W. Bush is the president. She can add Senator Kerry's picture in January....:7
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 04:22 PM
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3. It was George & Laura
NOT the official Presidential picture along with other presidents.
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 04:23 PM
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4. Sorry if I come across as rude, I am sick and tired
of the poor oppressed republican story. I feel like republicans are so repressed sexually that it carries over and they think that they are oppressed in everything else. You can't be in control of every branch of government and still be opressed, end of story.
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SoonerShankle Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 05:10 PM
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7. I do agree with you there.
The "oh,woe is me" stuff is bogus. We can and should stand up to it. The second grade teacher should have been called in on her statement. It was unprofessional and inappropriate. I need to read the story on this teacher who has posted the president's picture in her room. So far, I cannot find anything to lead me to believe it was unprofessional or inappropriate...but that is so far...
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 04:35 PM
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5. I may not like Bush but if a teacher has pics of all the other Presidents
then why can't she also have one of the current President? Kerry can have his pic added in Jan.
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Diogenes2 Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 05:09 PM
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6. You apparently haven't heard the full story
about this teacher creating her own liitle display in the classroom that featured an elephant toy, Bush & Pickles picture & other partisan items. The picture was NOT displayed with portraits of all the other presidents. Not true.
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SoonerShankle Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 05:15 PM
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8. Do you have
a link to the full story. I would like to see the full story before I further develop my opinion.
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Diogenes2 Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 05:20 PM
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9. The story was posted earlier today here at DU
Edited on Mon Oct-04-04 05:29 PM by Diogenes2
Here is the info... From the school district's website:

October 3, 2004

The facts are as follows:
Ms. Pillai-Diaz is a new Language Arts teacher in the South Brunswick Schools. Recently, the school administration began receiving complaints from students and parents that Ms. Pillai-Diaz was using her position, classroom and teaching time to engage in partisan politics.

Students reported that she had made statements which denigrated one party over the other. The conversations included Ms. Pillai-Diaz telling some students who offered opinions contrary to her statements, that she was "glad they were not old enough to vote." Other comments to students, including such statements as, "you should be ashamed to be a Democrat" have been verified through student interviews.

A classroom bulletin board, normally intended for curriculum-related matters, was set up as what she herself described as a "personal bulletin board." On the bulletin board she placed a picture of the President, the President's dog, the Oval Office and several other Presidential artifacts. In addition, she placed a stuffed elephant on a classroom cabinet, which generated student reaction and discussion about partisan politics.

Following receipt of complaints from parents, the Assistant Principal met with Ms. Pillai-Diaz and cautioned her not to engage in partisan political discussions in her Language Arts classes. He did not initially ask her to remove the picture of the President. As the issue grew in intensity, the teacher herself chose to remove the stuffed elephant because of student comments. In the ensuing days, parents expressed increasing concern about the teacher's classroom behavior, the misuse of classroom instructional time and the personal bulletin board.
The level of concern resulted in a classroom confrontation between some parents and Ms. Pillai-Diaz at the Back-to-School night program. It was at this point that the school administration decided to intervene again.

On Friday morning, October 1, Ms. Pillai-Diaz was directed by the Assistant Principal to remove bulletin board materials because they were being viewed as contributing to an ongoing disruption of the teaching-learning environment. She refused. She then met with the Principal who repeated the directive.
At this point, Ms. Pillai-Diaz abruptly left the building, abandoning her post of duty and her classroom responsibilities.

At no time was she told to leave, asked to leave or given authorization to leave. School was still in session. At no time was she told she was suspended or fired. With professional responsibilities of a classroom teacher waiting, Ms. Pillai-Diaz chose, of her own volition, to walk out of the school, contact various media sources and claim she had been fired.

I had occasion to meet with Ms. Pillai-Diaz, along with a union representative and a police escort that she had requested, for approximately two hours when she returned to the building later that same afternoon. After listening to her story, I asked if any member of the administration had used the phrase "you're fired" or anything that remotely sounded like it. She admitted that no one had used any such language. When I further pursued why she reported to media sources that she had been fired, she said that she "thought" that she had been.
I explained that principals cannot fire employees, that only Boards of Education can do so. With her union representative present, she said that she now understood. I asked that when she next spoke with the media, that she clarify her new understanding.

I fully support the actions of the Principal and Assistant Principal. It is never acceptable for a teacher to utilize the classroom to advocate for political purposes or advance personal beliefs. The courts have always admonished teachers for proselytizing in public school classrooms. This issue is not about a picture of the President, but rather a zealous misuse of seventh and eighth grade student instructional time.

The South Brunswick School community is enormously respectful of the Office of the President of the United States, President Bush and the democratic process for choosing our President. Anyone trying to suggest the contrary has the worst of intentions. Under other circumstances, the display of a picture of the President would have been viewed as completely appropriate and uncontroversial. It is important to note that pictures of President Bush are openly displayed in all of the South Brunswick Schools. The teacher's own actions here, however, took it out of the realm of education and made the presentation appear partisan to many of our students and parents. Under these circumstances, our actions in directing the removal of the display were singularly appropriate.

Gary P. McCartney Ed D.
Superintendent of Schools
South Brunswick School District

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Jokinomx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-04-04 05:27 PM
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10. I caught a little about this story on a RW radio show... this morning...
I don't know who he was... but a limbaughish type of guy ranting about this very subject. He stated it was alongside pictures of some of the other presidents. He didn't mention anything about a Repug display with elephants and such.

I wouldn't be upset with a teacher leaning her way with a repug display..... I WOULD be upset if a teacher said those that vote for Gore are going to burn in hell.

Let her do what she wants to do as long as religion stays out of it.... supporting a party is what our freedom is all about. It is up to the parents to make sure they keep their children informed about people having differences of opinion. I think no matter what ..this issue is being blown way out of proportion.

That is my humble opinion...

:kick:
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