The latest round of stupidity on our part.

[DarkPhenyx]

Someone please explain to me how this helps our cause.

http://www.channel3000.com/politics/3776992/detail.html

Swastika Burned Into Grass On Bush-Cheney Supporter's Lawn

Someone burned an 8-foot-by-8-foot Nazi swastika on a home's lawn near where Bush-Cheney signs were posted. The vandals used grass killer to spray the symbol.

Several nearby homes were vandalized -- all were within a two-block radius on the West Side, near Ice Age Trail, News 3 reported.

[emulatorloo]

1. Explain what DU had to do with this

EOM

[meegbear]

4. Yeah , what did WE do ...

or more importantly, what did YOU do?

[DarkPhenyx]

23. First point.

Who said anything about DU? THe cause of getting Bush out of teh Whitehouse extends far beyond DU you know. Um, you do know that right?

[H2O Man]

28. Yet we do not know who

is actually responsible. What we do know is that whoever did this is responsible. If it was, for example, a misguided democrat, that person is responsible. That person or person is acting upon his or her own, and I would think we all reject that type of behavior.... no matter who did it.

While I think many people would share your obvious concern with the poison that is in the political atmosphere, we are not responsible for what a likely intoxicated and clearly disturbed person does. Most democrats and DUers would be perfectly qualified to sit on a jury to here the case when the culprit is caught.

[DarkPhenyx]

30. Do you disagree that...

...this sort of "lack of thought" on the part of one person does damage to the cause as a whole?

[H2O Man]

31. I agree with you 100% that

if it was, for example, a angry, unstable, and/or intoxicated democrat that committed this crime, that person --while fully responsible -- did something that absolutely can do damage to our cause as a whole. Let me explain that in an easily understood context: if it happened in any of our town, it would be disturbing, right? Now think if the police arrested your brother/sister/son/daughter/mother/father ..... would it not create a sense of shame in your family? Of course, even though that family member is entirely responsible, it reflects poorly on the family.

That is why if it is a democrat, we must reject this behavior. Yet at this point, we can only suspect who may have done it and why. There could be many, many other factors involved. I do appreciate that you brought it to our attention.

[DarkPhenyx]

44. Which of course...

...would be a big part of my point.

[chimpy the poopthrower]

32. Why do you keep insisting that the culprit...

...is "one of us" -- whether you are talking about DU or Democrats or liberals and progressives in general? We have absolutely no idea who did it or why it was done. It could have been teens vandalizing for kicks. Other nearby homes were vandalized. Did they all have Bush signs? The story doesn't say so. It could be the homeowner himself who did it. It could be a Bush supporter trying to make Dems look bad. Yes, it very well may damage "the cause as a whole" - just like the phony Parlock stories and the phony teacher-fired-for-Bush-photo stories may have done some damage. What do you want us to do about it? Even if it was a liberal who did this, that's one person out of millions and millions. I don't understand why you are so insistent that this is something liberals need to apologize for. It almost seems as if you are being deliberately dense here.

[DarkPhenyx]

45. I haven't insisted on anything...

...other than this did damage we need to clean up now.

I admit freely it could be someone besides "one of us".

[Cheswick2.0]

37. I disagree

I think people have come to the end of their rope with accepting fascism, stolen elections, attacks on the constitution and exploitation of the people. I am surprised nothing worse happened than a swastika on a lawn.

My parents once remarked what an ugly decade the 60s were. I see it completely differently. I see that a lot of people were freed from social conventions who needed to be freed.

This incident won't hurt anything.

[DarkPhenyx]

46. It would be nice if you were right. n/t

[IdaBriggs]

40. Yes.

Let the other side "be afraid" -- I can live with it. I didn't do these actions, I won't support these actions, and I'm still okay with them happening. I'm not a "wimpy" Democrat; I'm a pissed off Independent. Perhaps you missed the memo -- "Boo! The Democrats are ANGRY!" Damn right we are. Be Afraid!!! Think it'll change anyone's votes? Maybe they will be too frightened to go vote? Hah! Its just going to make them madder, so they will definitely want their voices heard. In the meantime, someone is making their opinion on their point of view Extremely Clear: Bush = Fascist. We don't know the full details of this story (and there is probably a lot more to it than we're reading here), and since I'm told by reliable idiots that "Kerry is a traitorous Communist" I'm okay with it coming back at 'em. They made the rules; we just UNDERSTAND them now. Its not about "playing nice" -- its about WINNING!

[DarkPhenyx]

47. It isn't about winning.

Not if we become that which we are fighting against.

[IdaBriggs]

71. I think you are wrong -- it IS about winning.

At a certain point, you have to put the "angst" behind you and JUST DO IT. The opposing side is going to Lie, Cheat and Steal, and it takes a special kind of moral cowardice to allow them to get away with it "because you don't want to sink to their level." (I'm paraphrasing many comments, by the way, not implying you personally said them.) You don't like the methods? Find other ones. But NEVER take your eye off the prize: WINNING. Your "self respect" isn't worth one drop of someone else's blood when bad foreign policy has bombs and bullets flying. Your concern about joining the dark side isn't going to wipe the vomit from a (pollution or depleted uranium caused) cancer patient's face. Your "issues" don't stop the cramps from a mercury induced miscarriage. Your worries don't feed hungry children, or help their parents keep them housed, or pay for medical treatment when its needed, or help a financially strapped senior get their medication at a reasonable price. At some point, they are just plain self-indulgent.

Learn This Clearly: Its NOT Just About YOU and How You FEEL. Its blood, guts, gore, pain, agony, misery and death! The other side has understood this for a long time; our side thought it was just a game, with points given for how its played. Get over it, and get to work.

[DarkPhenyx]

76. to lose all in the winning though.

it really isn't worth it.

Remember, integrity is what you have left over when you stick by your principles...even when it isn't in your best interest. I'd much rather die financially destitute than morally bankrupt.

[IdaBriggs]

80. Moral Cowardice.

Its what you are talking about. You are saying that YOUR personal "integrity" is worth more than someone else's life. I repeat myself: its self-indulgent.

[DarkPhenyx]

84. what takes more courage?

standing your ground knowing you are going to get "steamrolled" or taking the easier, less painful, out?

[IdaBriggs]

93. It depends on your goal.

If you just want to "feel good" about yourself, then die under the steamroller.

If you want to protect other people (and feel good about doing it), then get out of the way of the steamroller, and find some way to STOP IT.

Does that help? :)

[DarkPhenyx]

97. no...

...becasue it avoids the essence of the question.

[gpandas]

74. it's all about winning...

as steeler coach chuck noll said, "whatever it takes". these people, since dick nixon's resignation, have been the slimiest, underhanded, lying, attacking, group since the american revolution. they will do or say anything (see william casey, paul wellstone, etc.), to remain in power, including invoking god as on their side. they are pro-level assholes that survive by creating danger when there is none. they are willing to kill and maim thousands of innocent men, women, and children to accomplish their aims, and you talk of "playing nice". they MUST be stopped, "whatever it takes". btw, saying that we will become like them is disingenuous at best, and personally insulting to me.

[DarkPhenyx]

77. how unfortunate you decided to be insulted...

...by a simple observation of the truth.

[gpandas]

88. that's right, ignore all

the other things i say and cherry pick something that enables you to make a cute remark. that's constructive. that's so typical of du.

[DarkPhenyx]

92. I had already pointed out...

...that I didn't think winning was worth sacraficing everything for. The remainder of your post was jsut you saying that it was. Did I need to restate my position? I didn't think it was necesary really.

[gpandas]

101. okay.

i'm trying to show you that this attitude is a losing attitude. i tried to put the matter to you with some words about the other side, and the tactics they employ. do you agree that your sentiment is a losing proposition in the ugly world of reality?

[DarkPhenyx]

102. Which proposition is that?

that holding true to ones self is the better road to take? I already said tha sometiems it will cause you to lose. Winning isn't everything.

[Hutzpa]

100. Here Here !!!!!!!

Well Said!! Cheers!!!



:toast:

[IrateCitizen]

42. And do YOU disagree that...

... not a single person here can do a damned thing about this incident, so there really is no point in ANY of us getting all frothing at the mouth over it?

Seriously, all of us have more important things to do than to worry about one act of senseless vandalism that MAY or MAY NOT have been politically-motivated. :eyes:

[DarkPhenyx]

48. No, I don't agree with that at all.

We can all speak out against it and work harder against this kind of stupidity from our own people. The less of this that we allow, the more we speak out against it, the easier it will be to prove it wasn't us the next time.

[IrateCitizen]

52. Once again, you're engaging in a false assumption

... this kind of stupidity from our own people.

Where in this does it affirm that the perpetrators were Democrats? Please let me know.

In any event, I personally would NEVER advocate doing something like this, and always speak out against it. As I am sure that 99.9% of DU regular posters would do as well. So, please tell me once again exactly WHO you are preaching to in this instance, and what concrete steps you expect everyone here to take in order to stop something like this from EVER happening again in the future.

[DarkPhenyx]

55. It's also a false assumption to say...

...it wasn't one of us.

There are no concrete steps. you know better than that. however most of us belong to political units outside of this forum. I can't see what teh big deal about our discussing the stupidity of this sort of thing and reminding ourselves of teh damage it can cause. you never know when it'll happen in your area and be an issue you might be able to help prevent, or ahve to deal with the aftermath of.

[Hutzpa]

105. Wrong Ideology!!!!!

Sit and wait for the other side to be nice and see what happens, better yet look around and see whats going on, do you really think that the word NEO-CONS is a made up word, well dear think again...and think very hard again, this is more than you can see or tell.

:think:

[Bandit]

54. What makes you think it was us.. Rove is famous for this behavior

He does unlawful acts and makes them appear as if a Democrat had done the deed. I would think this is every bit as likely as your scenerio. :shrug:

[DarkPhenyx]

57. Somehow I think Rove's personal involvement is a bit less likely.

I mihgt be wrong, but somehow I don't think so.

[coalition_unwilling]

70. Yes, but I can as easily see Repug dirty tricksters doing this

as a way to spark 'outrage' at the Dems who would do this. Check out the history of dirty tricks during the Nixon years to see exactly what sorts of bs the Repugs are capable of.

[Hutzpa]

98. What Course? did they find the person to be Democrats....

I doubt that very much.

[madinmaryland]

2. That's just plain stupid.

We can't stoop to the repug's level.

[lazarus]

3. bah

If it's real, then we have one stupid person on our side.

At least we don't put our stupid people in charge like the Republicans do.

[displacedtexan]

6. Excellent point, lazarus!

Thanks! I couldn't have said it better!

[cali]

16. Fiddle-dee-dee

We've got plenty of stupid people in our column, and plenty of stupid people in positions of power. I see stupid statements on DU regularly.

[Cheswick2.0]

39. like who

?

What stupid person do we have in power and what qualifies them as stupid?

[Warpy]

22. What gets me is the ridiculous reaction

"Desperate Democrats" my flabby, pasty ass. The limited area means it was some neighborhood teenager, probably a kid who doesn't want to get drafted and decided to rattle the smug GOPers in his neighborhood a little.

This is the sort of stuff stupid teenagers and stupid adult Repuglicans do. It doesn't win any points, which is why grownups don't do that sort of thing.

Mr Smug needs to get a grip and a can of spray paint. His lawn will fill in nicely next spring.

[edbermac]

5. Well first off, how do we know a Dem did it?

It could have been done by the "victims" themselves. This swastika item reminds me when several years ago the late talk show host Morton Downey Jr claimed he was attacked at an airport and someone shaved his hair and drew a swastika on his forehead. But it was drawn on backwards, implying that he drew it on himself while looking into a mirror. I think the police eventually decided the whole thing was a hoax...

[AP]

18. It could have been done by a 16 y.o. who got dumped by homeowners daughter

Multiple house vandalisms -- that's not exactly a politically motivated crime.

If the Bush-Cheney supporter is Jewish, than it's not even a an act of vandalism by a liberal. (The fact that it's being investigated as a hate crime either suggests that the homeowner is Jewish, and if he isn't, it's absurd to investigate this as a hate crime.)

[mikehiggins]

7. How is that "our part"?

Let's not run around beating our chests and yelling "mea culpa" okay?

There are lots of weirdos out there, on all fringes. "We" haven't gunned down any abortion doctors lately, right?

For all you know from that report, the guy who's lawn got burnt coulc have been the local KKK leader. Makes just as much sense as claiming "we" have any sort of responsibility for something like that.

Anyway, it could have been a Far Eastern "good luck" symbol, and not a Nazi-era swastika at all. Any rogue Buddhists in the area?

[seventhson]

8. Sounds like Rove did it

We KNOW they are Nazis.

So making it look like idiots did it tars the messenger and discredits the message.

Classic Rove.

Nobody knows who did it yet.

But if it WAS "our" side I'll bet it was pissed off teens worried about a draft and angry at the death and destruction wreaked by the BFEE.

[lostnfound]

12. Gee, is Warlock or garlock or whats-his-name anywhere around..

Parlock? anyway you get my drift.

[wolfgirl]

9. who said it

was us? Maybe these B/C supporters did it themselves 'cause that's what they really believe....of course, they have to distance themelves because they really don't want anyone to know until the coup is complete.

[IdaBriggs]

41. Loved that! nt

[Demit]

10. I notice that short item quotes State Republican Party officials...

...before it even gets to the homeowner's quote.

I would be very suspicious of their immediate "claim that it's the latest in a series of desperate acts by Democrats." Sounds very Rovian to me. I hope police DO carry out a complete investigation.

[TahitiNut]

21. Even though they haven't identified the people who did it ...

... the Reichbot "knows" it was Democrats? It sounds to me like another Repugnant dirty trick - for which the homeowner will get a new lawn from his insurance company. What's next? Arson for profit?

If there's anything more disgusting than leaping on a crime of vandalism and using it for corrupt partisan advantage, it's seeing the same blame game subscribed to on DU.

[liberalmuse]

11. Definitely more 'creative' than the 'pugs...

but I don't condone it. Whether it's 'pugs stealing yard signs or this, I'd like to think it was misguided youth with nothing better to occupy their time with. Someone needs to explain to them about The Constitution and the first amendment.

[sam sarrha]

13. weed killer is expensive..some nut would have used gasoline, and usually

weed killer needs hot sun to work, i used $12 of round up on my drive to the shop last week and it didnt do anything because it didnt get hot sunight.

[w13rd0]

14. The owner of an apartment building or rental property...

...can put up Bush-Cheney signs on the lawn without regard to the feelings of the tenants or renters. Furthermore, nearby homes were vandalized. Until the perp is apprehended, this is meaningless guilt by the loosest of associations. Just because I think Bush-Cheney are nazis doesn't mean I'd burn swastikas into peoples grass, OR vandalize nearby homes that have nothing to do with the home with signs in the lawn. How does this "reporter" know that the vandalizism had anything to do with politics? Several homes were vandalized, not just the one with the sign.

[liberalmuse]

17. I rent a duplex...

and my landlords are the only ones in the neighborhood with a B/C sign. If they were to put one in my yard, I'd pull it up, walk it over to their house, hand it back to them and give them notice.

[ablbodyed]

15. well, it's>>>>

a puzzle as to who REALLY did it. I have noticed over the term of my DU experience, that the original poster has a VERY NEGATIVE TONE in almost all his posts. Just like the swastika sprayer, do we know who DarkPhenyx is? And what HIS agenda is?

[Lefta Dissenter]

19. I heard about this the same day

my Kerry signs were stolen. MAN was I pissed off! I hope this all doesn't continue to escalate, whoever is doing it!! (and I wouldn't doubt that the freepers themselves would do it)

[AP]

20. It's being investigated as a hate crime, so victim (Schaeffer) is Jewish?

Which means it's antisemtic more than it's anti-Bush?

And if the victim isn't Jewish, I have no idea how suggesting that a Bush supporter is a fascist could be a hate crime.

[Cerridwen]

24. Two questions...

Why did the headline make such a point of mentioning the political angle if it's a hate crime?

If it was about politics, since when did political dissent, even stupid vandalism, become a hate crime?

[DarkPhenyx]

25. It isn't a hate crime.

Not based on teh information we have anyway. However I'm sure the use of Nazi symbols makes it easy for them to bring those statutes into effect.

[Cerridwen]

27. That was my point..they're trying to turn political dissent

into hate crimes using something such as this to do so.

By tying the political signs in with the symbol. Twisting, turning and spinning.

[DarkPhenyx]

29. which is why this was so stupid.

I hate when we start handing the opposition bigger stick with which to beat us.

[kayell]

38. Why are you assuming that any Democrat did this?

Your assumptions seem based entirely on what the republicans have to say, with no actual proof, or even evidence whatsoever.

[DarkPhenyx]

43. Good point

However, how do you believe the rest of the listening audience is going to percieve this. It is entirely possible that this is a self inflicted stupidity. The effect will most likely be teh same with the population in general.

[IrateCitizen]

49. WHO THE F*** CARES?!?!

This whole, "What will everyone else think???" exercise in self-flagellation and gnashing of teeth reminds me of the usefulness of the serenity prayer. At the risk of offending those who don't take kindly to any expression of religiosity, I'll post it here because the overall message behind it is a pretty good one.

Dear God, please grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change...
Courage to change the things I can...
And Wisdom to know the difference.

Which category do you think THIS incident would fall under?

[DarkPhenyx]

51. None of the above.

But you won't agree with that. It's a nice prayer. It isn't always applicable.

[IrateCitizen]

53. Well, it's clear that this thread has lived past its usefulness...

I'm so glad we have the "ignore thread" feature now! :bounce:

[DarkPhenyx]

56. it outlived it's usefulness when

the first few threads were denial and accusation instead discussion and condemnation. strange that.

[Lerkfish]

91. what's with all this "we" crap?

sorry, but I don't even live in the area.
why do you insist "we" take ownership of someone else's vandalism/hate crime?

what is your deal with this, and where are you trying to head?

[SheepyMcSheepster]

26. "stupidity on our part" ??????

you know who did this?

i think it is in poor form to conclude without evidence that this has something to do with "us".

[mopaul]

35. who this 'our' you speak of kemosabee?

no shit. stupidity on our part, fucking dipshit comment.

[kayell]

33. Explain why you are buying the RW spin of this story first.

[Name removed]

34. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[DarkPhenyx]

50. Yippie!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I'm on yet another ignore list.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Woo-hoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Christ, if I got put on ignore for soething this stupid I really do question the direction our level of rationality is going.

[mopaul]

60. woo woo, not woo hoo

[DarkPhenyx]

63. po-tay-toe po-taa-toe

[TahitiNut]

65. "our level of rationality"???

Got a pet in your pocket? :eyes:

[DarkPhenyx]

66. awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

that was cute TahitiNut. :)

[kayell]

67. Let me join you in that deleted sentiment.

Ahhhh, that's better.

[DarkPhenyx]

87. *putting another notch in the 'ole belt*

:)

it's always comfortable when you quit listening to the disenting voices. Must be why Bush smiles all the time.

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. For all we know the repuke homeowners could have burned that themselves

right? Remember the freeper with the 4 year old girl who travels around to Democratic rallies with his kids and causes problems, gets a reporter and blames it on Dems? He also shoots bullets into GOP headquarters and tries to blame in on Dems. I say the FREEPERS DID IT! How do we know it was a Democrat? We don't. This is a typical KKKRove move. Do something baaaad to a repuke and blame it on a Dem. No proof? I say the FREEPERS did it.

[nostalgicaboutmyfutr]

58. Can't take a picture of a stolen sign...

but you can take a picture of swastika and blast it around...

[T Town Jake]

59. Without having read down the thread, I predict...

...you'll get at least seven distinct responses to it:

1. It's a "set-up"/RW "operatives" did it to make us look bad. Why are you posting this?

2. So what?/Good, I'm fed up! And why are you posting this, anyway?

3. We don't have all the facts/Your link doesn't provide enough information... yadda, yadda, yadda...But why are you posting this RW talking point?

4. That's bad, but...(insert justification here) BTW, why are you posting this?

5. I/We didn't do it personally therefore it doesn't matter WHO did it or why and it's not gonna hurt anything anyway! I get tired of threads like this - why'd you post it?

6. What are your motives in posting this? Hmmmmmm? And why'd you have to do it this close to the election? (aka, the surreptitious Freeper accusation that manages to skirt the board's rules).

7. Deleted Message - click here to review the message board rules.

This is purely an academic exercise on my part (passing no judgement on any of those anticipated replies), but it'll be interesting to read down the thread.
For the record, my own "reply" is that only the people who actually did this will - or should - suffer any negative repercussions from it, assuming they're caught. I don't think it will make much of a difference one way or another on any aspect of the election, as it should not, period.

[DarkPhenyx]

61. Fair enough.

Thank you for being rational about your reply, BTW.

I think you'll find your assumptions are correct, but you missed reply #8. I hate you and I'm putting you on ignore.

[T Town Jake]

72. LOL, just finished reading through the thread, and you're right..

...I missed one: "#8. I hate you and I'm putting you on ignore." But looks like I pretty much nailed the other seven.
I think a lot of the ugly replies - not just in this thread but others - has a good deal to do with the tension we're all feeling over that looming Nov. 2nd date. We're all wound up - I know I am - and anxious to have the outcome over and done with. I had to apologize myself for being a smartass to another poster in a thread just the other day.
Some folks are going to be nasty no matter what, of course, but I predict there will be a great cooling of the heated atmosphere starting Nov. 3. Looking forward to that day!

:toast:

Peace.

[VelmaD]

94. I know the answer...

for all these people who are too wound up about the election. At least I know what the solution has been for me. Instead of spending too much time online I actually got off my butt and started volunteering my time to the local party and local candidates. My mental health is greatly improved and I don't have so much time to fret about the election or argue endlessly with people on the internet about it. Too busy working.

[Dorian Gray]

62. It doesn't....

And it may not have been done by someone on our side. If the supporter is Jewish, it could have been perpetrated by skin-head thugs who don't have a democratic bone in their body.

[DarkPhenyx]

64. Which wouldn't explain the stolen signs.

It's also requiring us to make up/assume "facts" we have no evidence for.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

68. i may be nitpicking, but where in the article does it say they were stolen

the only refrence to the signs is "Someone burned an 8-foot-by-8-foot Nazi swastika on a home's lawn near where Bush-Cheney signs were posted." and "My signs are going right back in the yard."

do you have more evidence that points to sign theft by the vandals? i am just trying to make sure we are not making up/assuming facts because that would make "us" look foolish. :silly:

[DarkPhenyx]

73. I believe the reference to the signs going right back

to be a reference to their being stolen.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

90. that is what you assume, i am just trying to stick with the facts

he or the police could have moved the signs after the incident in order to no inhibit any investigation into what was put on the grass? it might have been easier to get a good picture of the vandalism if the signs were not in the way.

either way, neither of us know for sure based on this story and thus it is all speculation and assumptions.

[DarkPhenyx]

95. ok, fact then.

the signs need to be replaced.

*soft tolerant sigh*

[SheepyMcSheepster]

96. doesn't say they are being replaced.

it says "My signs are going right back in the yard." which could mean being replaced or being taken from where ever they where stored in the interim.

[DarkPhenyx]

103. nice nit pick. n/t

[Dorian Gray]

69. Well, right....

regardless of who perpetrated the attack, it should be condemned! It's horrible. I just don't think it will affect the election, and there is not enough information to assume WHO left the swastika in the yard. (Whether it was a Democrat who hated the Bush signs or a neo-Nazi who hates, period. Those two scenarios are the MOST likely in my mind, but I don't want to jump to conclusions regarding who did this.)

[DarkPhenyx]

75. Sound line to take.

Prehaps one I should follow as well.

[HEyHEY]

78. I wouldn't be surprised if Repubs did it to themselves

Many can't read and may have assumed they were Kerry signs.

[cheezus]

82. the first thing that came to mind was the guy with the crying kids

waaa! look what those mean libruls are doing to us

[rinsd]

79. Forget it...

This is flame bait where most DUers will attack you for daring to call liberals/progressives/democrats anything but the best people on earth.

I agree it is stupid crap. But in reality its just another mindless minor incident of idiot vandals whether they're stealing Kerry signs or stupid crap like this. I wouldn't worry about it too much.

[ibegurpard]

81. Another clarion call for liberal self-flagellation

Sorry, I won't be joing in...you see, I'm not going to include myself in your "our part." The attempts to highlight these kind of incidents as indicative of behavior of liberals and Democrats in general are getting very old.

[DarkPhenyx]

86. the point would be it isn't indicitive.

which we should make sure is the voice that gets heard.

self-flagellation? cute. too bad you decided to not participate in the discussion.

[ProfessorGAC]

83. How Does It Hurt?

Everytime some nutjob bombs an abortion clinic, the right simply says, "Those extremists don't represent mainstream conservatives."

We just say the same thing. Simple.
The Professor

[gauguin57]

85. I think the Repugs are behind all of this ... because only their followers

would automatically believe it's those EVIL LIB-RULS who are doing all this stuff. ... this, the shots fired into various Repug HQ ... it's all PHIL PARLOCK and his ilk!

[chimpy the poopthrower]

89. You love bumping your own thread, don't you?

This is ridiculous. I've been resisting returning to this thread because it's so stupid it deserves to sink, but you're just going to keep bumping it up to the top anyway. Almost everyone here sees right through this ridiculous setup. Someone vandalized some homes somewhere. We don't know who. We don't know why. ONE of the vandalism victims claims he had a Bush-Cheney sign up. Although you deny it, you seem intent on pushing the theory that the perpetrator was a Democrat who was making a political statement. You offer no proof. If you know something we don't know, why don't you report it to the police? Otherwise, stop pushing your baseless and ugly theory that this was done "on our part" to further "our cause." Haven't you ever been taught that you shouldn't bear false witness? I guess it's up to me to respond to your nasty insinuations since so many others have you on ignore now.

[RetroLounge]

99. Yawn...

Parlockian or Rovian...

Stupid Thread Nominee...

RL

[Walt Starr]

104. Why do you assume this was done by somebody who was anti-Bush?

This sort of thing has been the hallmark of GOP dirty tricks for decades. I would not put it past them to make thier opponents look bad.

[Moderator]

106. I'm locking this thread

reason: Flamebait

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

107. I only have one thing to say: