H.R. 163

[Earth_First]

Any word on the status of this bill today? Apparently it is/was to be heard on the floor at 6 p.m. EST. Any C-SPAN observers with details?

[Earth_First]

1. So which is it...

A) Not a discussion worthy topic
B) DU user "status"

[951]

2. Huh?

[Earth_First]

3. From nisbco.org mailing:

October 5, 2004: Rangel Military Draft Bill, H.R. 163 Coming for a Vote!
>
>H.R. 163, which was introduced by Charles Rangel (D-NY) and which >would reinstate the military draft, is unexpectedly coming for a vote on the House floor today.
>
>A rarely used "Suspension" rule is being used by the Republicans to
>swiftly move this bill out of committee without a vote and onto the
>House floor for passage or defeat. Under this rule no amendments >will be offered, a 40-minute debate will be followed by an up or >down vote, at which point it is expected to be defeated.
>
>The Republicans are responding to Kerry's rhetoric that if Bush is
>reelected the draft will be reinstated. Bi-partisan support against
>conscription is needed to snuff out this dangerous flame.
>
>The bill is expected to be on the floor around 6:00 PM Eastern Time.
>
>The best message that can be sent is STRONG bipartisan opposition to the
>draft because the people of this country do not want a draft!!
>
>The Rangel bill contains fundamental flaws that are detrimental to >the situation of conscientious objectors.
>
>Call up your Representative now!!!
>To find you local House of Representative, please visits:
>
>http://www.house.gov/
>
>For more information on the dangers of the Rangel bill, visit
>www.nisbco.org.
>
>To find out the phone numbers for your Representative go to
>www.congress.org and type in your zip code.

[Vadem]

4. They are discussing it this very minute! (7:01pm EST) on C-Span!

Entitled "Reinstate the Military Draft or Civilian Service"

[951]

5. The question is would you support

the draft since it was proposed by a democrat?

I'd like to see other people's opinions

Personally I wouldn't Charles Rangel is a disgrace to the democratic party for proposing such a fascist bill.

[rene moon]

6. Rangel did it to make a point

Because Rangel wanted the Republicans to face the war issue---as their children aren’t the ones going over to Iraq---mostly minorities are.

Rangel stated: “not enough people care when it's some poor kid in the barrio who's being victimized by recruiters."

It was a good point to make but in a not-so-good way.

[Ducks In A Row]

7. agreed

and he knew no one would vote to suspend the rules anyways.

so far only 3 dems have voted yes.

[Ducks In A Row]

8. the yes keep changing?

3 dems

then

2 dems, 1 reps


then

2 dems, 1 reps


then

2 dems, 2 reps


now

2 dems, 1 rep


update:


changed to 2 dems


then 3 dems


now 4 dems


what the hell?

[Ducks In A Row]

11. it's back to just the 2 dems yes

[Ducks In A Row]

12. the 1 rep was listed as a yes, then taken away again

damn I wish the rep would make up their mind.


oh hell, now it's back.




hell, now it's 2 reps yes.

[Ducks In A Row]

13. this is getting fun. now the 2 reps are gone again

the there's the gravel.

[951]

9. What if the bill passes...

and the Bush campaign totally opposes it I would think that would be a major blow to the Kerry (democratic) campaign because I don't think the majority of the American people are for a draft.

[Ducks In A Row]

10. no chance

not before the election

even if all the dems vote yes, the reps still have more no