Bill O'Reilly called Jon Stewart a Pinhead last night

[Bandit]

He said Bush* did two things right. No new attacks since 9-11 and economy didn't totally flounder after 9-11. That was all he could come up with as for as what good Bush* has accomplished in his term of office. also said he was undecided yet as to who he would vote for and was looking forward to Kerry coming on his show. Said he had lots of questions to ask. said people had been E-Mailing him questions for some time now. What a total ass IMHO. No wonder I never watch his show. He did congratulate Jon on being highest rated show though, I bet that galled his ass something fierce.

[rpannier]

1. At least Kerry will go on his show

I don't see scrub lining up to go on Stewart's show.

[MsMagnificent]

2. He was so incredibly rude

I would have smacked him, if I were Jon Stewart.

What a totally pompous piece of Santorum!

[Joe_VB]

6. LOL....piece of Santorum...

What's that, latin for asshole?

[Goldom]

7. It's a Senator,

and it means.. um... go google it.

[Joe_VB]

24. I know....

I was just repeating a Sen. Bob Kerrey quote.

[GliderGuider]

14. She said "santorum"! Heh heh heh heh...

I agree that's what he is, but...

Don't shoot me...

Ol' Bill was able to present an amazingly reasonable persona last night. He agreed that * and company had screwed the pooch in Iraq, and he was very careful not to say anything roo inflammatory about Jon, his audience or "libruls". I thought even his "pinhead" comment was spoken in jest, and Jon took it in that spirit. I liked the joking around about bongs in the green room, and the way he explicitly declined to be baited into badmouthing people. Even the "Shut up!" comment at the end was spoken with ironic humour.

The only thing I really took issue with was his analysis of the economy - on that he's just flat out wrong. "No new attacks since 9-11" doesn't wash with me, because I'm MIHOP. I think every administration action since then has had a different purpose, and the "security" smokescreen amounts to keeping the elephants away. But I can understand the sentiment, given where he's coming from.

All in all, I was pleased not to see the horns I expected. Both of them kept it light, and I appreciated that.

[RebelYell]

25. He forgot the anthrax attacks - or doesn't Bill count bio terror? n/t

[6th Borough]

35. He's perfectly capable of sounding reasonable, when the mood strikes him.

It's impossible to know what he actually believes; he's a made for media persona hiding inside a sack of flesh.

He'll follow the paydirt no matter where it leads.

He did begin his career on Inside Edition, lest we all forget.

[Catfight]

3. Clinton is responsible for the economy not collapsing after 9/11.

Clinton also has prevented no new attacks. Remember, Clinton is responsible for everything good during the Bush administration and Bush is responsible for all his bad decisions!

[sniffa]

4. BOR is wrong

the truth is that since everyone put american fLags on their cars, we haven't had another terrorist attack.

since peopLe started becoming more open with their racism towards arabs/foreigners we haven't had another attack.

since peopLe finaLLy Learned the words to "god bLess america" we haven't had another attack.

since i've cut dairy from my diet, we haven't had another attack.

bush had nothing to do with it.

[ronnykmarshall]

5. BOR???

That's perfect!

[MsMagnificent]

36. When I light a cigarette

it, along with making my food order magically appear, stops terrorist attacks.

How can I quit now?

The safety of the WORLD depends on my sucking cancer sticks!

[gratuitous]

8. Surprised O'Reilly didn't call him a doodyhead

You know, pandering to his base? In case you hadn't heard, an analysis of their respective audiences showed that Stewart's viewers on the Daily Show are smarter than folks who watch O'Reilly.

Hee, hee.

Did Jon have the bad taste to bring up O'Reilly's reckless vow never to trust the Bush administration again if it turns out there were no weapons in Iraq? And O'Reilly says he's undecided about the election! No wonder only stupid people watch O'Reilly's show.

[Bandit]

13. No Jon was extremely cordial.. In fact said he would cut his own mike

and Shut-Up.

[tibbir]

9. If Bush is responsible for no new attacks since 9/11....

doesn't that make him responsible FOR 9/11? It was on his watch and he was on vacation ignoring specific warnings.

Besides, I'm sort of in the LIHOP camp anyway.

[Ready4Change]

15. Didn't Clinton have the exact same record after 1993 WTC bomb.

First WTC bombing was in 1993. Completely unprecedented foreign attack on domestic soil. But thanks to Bill Clintons leadership we made it through the next 3 years of his term without anymore attacks on US soil. The entire nation rallied behind him amidst a tide of bipartisan support in Congress and the Senate....

Oh, wait, I forgot that the Republicans didn't support Clinton following the attacks. Instead they continued their attacks for the next 7 years.

Never mind.

[SOS]

10. When O'Really

stepped onto the stage I immediately switched to a Twilight Zone rerun.
Based on this thread, there probably wasn't much difference between the two shows.

[6th Borough]

11. I've got some late-breaking news for O'Reilly.

No new attacks since 9-11 and economy didn't totally flounder after 9-11.

Will someone kindly remind me who occupied the chair of commander-in-chief on September 11, 2001? If I recall correctly, it was Bu...Busss...oh yea, I forgot. Clinton was in charge. And his penis. :eyes:

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

12. O'Reilly is a mega-douchebag.

He exemplifies douchebaggery. Look up "douchebag" in the encyclopedia and you'll find his picture. Bush has done a good job because we didn't get hit with another 9/11 (yet)? Feh. Al Qaeda bides its time -- they take years to plan what they do. And the Bush Regime has badly underfunded "homeland security" (I hate that Orwellian, Third-Reich-ish name), and didn't even want the agency in the first place, so it's just sheer luck that they haven't nailed us again. While airplanes are a lot safer, nothing else is. So to say that Bush has done well because we haven't been attacked again is just stupid, not to mention the discrepancy between his claims that we're safer now and the new Terra Alerts that pop up every time his poll numbers tank (I expect another one any day now). And the economy? Please. He's the first president since Herbert Hoover to have shown a net job loss, The fact that we aren't in an actual '30s-type depression (yet) should not be touted as a win. Bush is a disaster and O'Reilly is a tool. I love TDS, but I had to turn it off when Blotchy Bill came on. I can't watch that prick.

[ProfessorGAC]

16. Man, That's Galling

Why would the economy flounder after 9/11?

These morons like to say these things, but there isn't any reason to believe that if a macroeconomy, prior to electronic commerce and banking, didn't flounder during WWII, it would be even easier to economically sustain after 9/11.

The macroeconomy is so large, and so multivariate that no single event would have any lasting effect. Simple proportions would indicate that! 100,000 people had their lives or livelihoods significantly impacted. That's less than 0.1% of the productivity base of this country. So, why would that event have ever negatively affected the economy. Answer: It wouldn't have.

The fact that the economy didn't flounder had nothing to do with Bush. It had everything to do with the fact that even 9/11 isn't a big enough tragedy to bring this economy down. Bush had NOTHING to do with it.

Of course, O'Reilly is way too stupid to realize this.
The Professor

[librechik]

21. I figured out why Bush makes this claim

it's because the only positive action whatsoever he took after 9/11 was to re-open the Stock Exchange.

Let's not dwell on the fact that he endangered thousands of lives by opening before the air was clear of toxins.

Even * positive acts drip with irony and gore.

[Jacobin]

17. Captain of the Titanic says:

No ships sunk since Titanic.

(that could be on his resume' for a job with another passenger ship line had he not gone down with the ship)

:evilgrin:

[Jack_Dawson]

18. Did the audience Boo?

They should have. Did Stewart remind him that his audience is smarter than O'Lamely's?

[Bandit]

22. Actually they sort of did... Jon asked them if they were booing

the fact we hadn't been attacked. :shrug: It was more a groan than a boo IMO. O'Reilly shrugged it off.

[Jack_Dawson]

23. Did Jon get any good digs in...

or did he just roll over?

I love the fact Bill O'Reilly is 46 and was a Bachelor til he was 41 and somehow feels qualified to write a children's book.

[tom_paine]

19. O'Reichley is SUCH a lying piece of shit

He is just lying and lying and LYING!

Goddamnit, and Stewart should have verbally SMASHED him fro call him a pinhead.

Please tell me John skewered him!

[realFedUp]

20. Ya take in a snake.....

don't be surprised when it bites.

[Artemis Bunyon]

26. I thought O'Reilly came off surprisingly well, and I hate his guts.

Of course his whole shtick is an act, anyway. Maybe he's starting to worry that his act might end up getting him arrested... when the reckoning comes.

Besides, everybody knows he's a whore. Wouldn't it be hilarious if the Kerry camp simply beat the Dubya/Ailes axis's price, and O'Reilly decides to support Kerry just before the election?!

[DemBones DemBones]

27. The show I saw was a well-choreographed comedy bit.

And since I have it on TiVo, I just ran through it again to reconfirm my original impression (which is much like what Glider Guider said above. ) Using TiVo, I've also sketched out an overview with some exact quotes.

Throughtout the show, O'Reilly was poking fun at his own persona as well as at Jon's. Right after Bill sat down and they said "hello," Jon asked if there was anything Bill wanted to say to the audience at home, the audience he had accused of imbibing a substance usually used in glaucoma treatment.

O'Reilly said, "Aw, c'mon, you know I was stoned when I said that."

Then he said something about enjoying Jon's green room and "I've never seen bongs in a green room before." Some banter about munchies, food in green room, etc.

O'Reilly claims he hasn't decided who to vote for. (I know that may be crap, but that's what he says.) He says he wants to know more about Kerry, and that Kerry has told TV Guide he'll go on Bill's show so he wants to set that up. Jon poked fun at him, asking "So you're the kind of undecided voter who has to talk to the candidate face to face?" and Bill said he was. Jon pointed out that he wasn't in a swing state. . .

Next, O'Reilly revealed that Rumsfeld is to appear on his show on November 4th.
Then there was an interchange in which Jon said "He may not be a good guest at that point." O'Reilly's reply was "No, he would be because I'll ask him 'Is it your fault that they lost?' "

AFter some discussion about what Kerry would do differently, and Jon questioned if Bush* had done anything right, O'Reilly made his points that we haven't been attacked again and that he thinks the Bush*ies kept the economy from collapsing.

"I got my tax cut, didn't you get yours? We rich guys got our tax cut."

Somewhere in here, Jon asked him about Iraq and he acknowledged that there had been mistakes in Iraq.

O'Reilly called Bush* and Cheney "true believers" who couldn't see another way but also said Kerry, as a Democrat, had things he wouldn't change on, either.

"Politicians lock themselves into a zone."

Bill about Bush* "He was much better with me than he was in the debate." (No doubt true, since he did so badly in the debate.

They talked about how both candidate are very competitive, both very smart in their own way. Said that's why the race will go down to the last week, if Bush* can turn things around for himself in the debate, that he has to do that to have a shot.

O'Reilly said the Bush* family doesn't care about outsourcing because they've got their gazillions of dollars. We've got two silver-spooners, two rich guys, running against each other."

O'Reilly talked about people at that level of public life being isolated, not in touch with ordinary people, insanely busy, not having time to do much reading and thus having to rely a lot on summaries written for them, being surrounded by fawning sycophants. etc.

Somewhere, he mentioned the ideal of someone not born into money, someone who's had real life experience, running for president. The gist if it was that that's desirable but can't happen because it takes so much money to run. (O'Reilly, of course, claims familiarity with hoi polloi from his youth, something Franken attacks him on, but I think it's true that he grew up with less than either Bush* or Kerry, though being a CPA's kid in Levitown isn't real poverty.)

This is where Jon Stewart said, "You know, listening to you, I can really believe you're undecided about who to vote for. That's something I wouldn't have believe before."

O'Reilly retorted "That's because you're a pinhead" and Jon went into "That's the O'Reilly I know and love. I'm gonna cut my own mike off now so you don't have to tell me to 'Shut up'."

It was a well-choreographed comedy bit, both guys projected a light-hearted mood, of just being two guys talking and kidding around.

I'm not saying O'Reilly has never acted like a horse's ass, but last night he and Jon were funny together. Kneejerk reactions are something I'm sad to see at DU. I'd have turned the show off if he'd been an ass, but I was willing to give him a chance, interested to see how he and Stewart interacted. O'Reilly was on Letterman the other night and also pretty funny, not obnoxious. His talkshow persona is not the same as his persona on his own show, which is often strident, and that's why I avoid his show. He's giving his viewers what they want as much as Jon Stewart gives us what we want.
I also think the "feud" between O'Reilly and Franken may be largely a publicity ploy between two media-savvy guys.

[NYCGirl]

28. I think the "feud" between O'Reilly and Franken is very real.

If you've seen their fight at the Book Sellers Convention, you'd know they were not kidding. Add to that the ill-conceived lawsuit against Franken from Fox (which was pushed primarily to appease O'Reilly), and that particular feud becomes very real. I think the two geniunely dislike each other.

[DemBones DemBones]

33. Oh, they may dislike each other but building up the feud energizes

their respective bases and helps sales.

I've seen their fight on tape. It may be legit but there are people who can stage a fight like that.

[progressivebydesign]

29. O'Reilly came off okay.. but..

I can see people with an edge, with anger issues, you can see it in their face, when they rest for just a moment with no expression, even as their having fun.

I can read faces. For some reason I have been gifted with an abilty to read faces and emotions and character, pretty well. The key is looking after the laugh, after the angry comment, and especially when the attention is off of them.

O'Reilly, when his face was at rest, has an edge. He has an angry, mean edge to his personality. I would know that regardless of hearing stories of his outburts. I saw Dick Cheney's face change while Edwards talked of Cheney's daughter. I could see the range of emotions that passed through him as he listened, and his response to Edwards was no surprise to me.

Bush? I don't see him as mean. I see him as sarcastic, petty, and competitive. He is interested in his OWN things, and IMHO, took on the "role" of president to help his family, and to further his own agenda of becoming Baseball Commissioner. Bush's face tells me that he agreed to play President, but was thrust into a different role on 9/11. THAT is what I saw in his face in that classroom when he found out. It was the emotion of utter fear. Bush has only surface knowledge of what is going on. He doesn't read in depth, and relies on staff to tell him what he needs to know, NOT because he is stupid.. but because he is disinterested and only fulfilling a family obligation. He has problems speaking unscripted or unwired, NOT because he is stupid, but because he is uninvolved. It shows in his face. Imagine you take on the role of police commissioner in a local theatre production, and are suddenly thrown into the job in real life. That's what Bush's face shows me.

Geez.. that was certainly a ramble!!!!!!!!! :wtf:

[Cat Atomic]

30. Isn't it funny that the first thing O'Reilley sites as a

Bush *accomplishment* is actually a *lack of an event*? It's like saying Bush has accomplished alot with the economy because... we aren't in a depression.

[dansolo]

31. Notice how Jon Stewart kept calling him, "Dude"

I think that was a gentle dig on O'Reiley's "slackers" characterization of Stewart's audience.

[Marymarg]

32. Jon is good

very, very good.

He proved his genius (once again) by inviting the lowest of the low, the worst of a bad lot, onto his show and treating him with civility and good humor. What a contrast with the nasty treatment O'Reilly gives to anyone who does not agree with him.

Isn't it ironic that Jon Stewart (who is Jewish) demonstrates the most Christian attributes of any of the talk show hosts?

I (heart) Jon! :loveya:

[Bandit]

34. Jon banging his head on the desk over Kerry's mixed message

Dr. Phil asked kerry if one daughter took after him more than the other. Kerry said yes then went on to give a very mixed explanation. Jon ended up banging his head on the desk over it. This is one area Kerry really needs to work on. the rest though was very funny. It was Bush* saying how he liked his daughter Barbara better than Jenna..very funny especially the part about This Message Approved By George Bush*.