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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 12:20 PM
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I will be escalating my admonishment
of my friends if they continue to support bush. I will tell them that if the debates have not opened there eyes to how incompetent bush is, then there minds are closed and that they are accomplices, and I will hold them equally reasponsile for the future. That with bush unrestrained by relection the next four years could make the last four look like a birthday party.
And I would like an amendment to the debate rules, for the last debate, bush be put on a chain.
Thats it over and out.
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JPJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 12:23 PM
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1. I'm prepared to lose friends over this election
I'm sure people lost some friends in Germany in 1932/1933.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 12:28 PM
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2. I look it as reevaluating what I consider a friend n/t
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1monster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 12:49 PM
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5. I have decided to end a "friendship" too. Mainly because it has been
brought home to me, by her partisan actions which actually harmed me, that she and I have very different ideas of what friendship is.

One does not distort beyond recognition what a friend has said and then hold it up in public for ridicule by people, who work for the same company as the friend works, for the sake of political gain.



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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 12:31 PM
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3. I like your post. We have 3 1/2 weeks to get this job done.
I remain mightily irritated that anyone would have considered the second debate a draw. And for those who felt that Keith Olberman should not be criticized, why do you think he changed his mind? Maybe the correspondence he received caused him to rethink his position. I am sick of people making excuses for Bush.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 11:29 PM
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18. What happened with Keith Olbermann?
Uh-oh... did he cave?
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demgrrrll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:15 AM
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19. He wound up scoring the debate as a tie, then reversed his decision
to give Kerry the edge. What he wrote after the final decision was interesting. "after allowing the blogosphere to do its due diligence"
he wrote about going to the corner with a cold compress, moaning quietly. I presume he received some mail. There were some who said Keith should not have been criticized because he is usually on our side. I disagree, this one is for all the marbles and I am not going to support giving Bush a pass when he was so obviously unhinged. What this tie business reminds me of is when our supposed friend Margaret Carlson wrote that of course you could dispute Bush's statements as being untrue but it was more "fun" to disprove Gore. This isn't a joke anymore. I realize that Olberman writes for entertainment on some level but this is just too damn important, I'll regain my sense of humor when Bush goes back to Crawford.
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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 12:41 PM
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4. Absolutely
I already had my obligatory discussion with my rw father this morning. He starting by saying "bush made a lot more sense that Kerry did" but you must understand, his defenses are more and more half-hearted, and I just pointed out a few realities to him-- One of them being that bush may not be stupid, but he certainly is a fool. It's amazing how quiet he's gotten on the subject, he has no ammo. Another friend, (and my tax guy), I'm just avoiding, because this guy is younger and knows better and this time, if we discuss bush, and he tries to defend him, he will no longer be my friend or my tax accountant. I'm actually better friends with his wife, I know I have lost a lot of the respect I used to have for him.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 12:52 PM
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6. Mark Twain said it best
it goes something like this.

Fewer things are harder to put up with, than the annoyance of a good example.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 01:43 PM
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7. today they are salivating that Bush "did better" than last time
Edited on Sat Oct-09-04 01:44 PM by Skittles
yet not a single one of them can clearly state or defend a single thing the lying, incompetent f*** SAID. Unless, of course, it's a Rush/Hannity/FOX News/RNC talking point.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 01:50 PM
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8. I tell them to stand ten feet away from
me when there talking that shit because I don't want the lightning ricocheting off onto me.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 02:15 PM
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9. Yes - I have a friendship that is close to being over....
She has turned out to be selfish and shallow. I've been bugging her about her support of Bush and she told another friend that she's "tired of that crap."

This friend told her that to me it was like seeing someone voting for the Nazi Party....
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B Calm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 02:32 PM
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10. I lost the friendship of my neighbor across the road who
has a son 18 years old. I gave their son literature on the US Marines and also the National Guard. It appears they support sending other sons and daughters off to fight as long as they don't have to sacrifice any in their family.
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friesianrider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 03:13 PM
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11. I've severed ties with Bush-loving friends...
I'm sorry, but if you like Bush, you are:

1. Stupid (not paying enough attention or failing to see what is so obvious to those of us who see how evil Bush is)

2. Evil (some alterior motive like they're corporate pigs, religious zealots, etc)

3. Both

Therefore, I cannot have these incompetants as my "friends". I don't want it to rub off on me ;)
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neebob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 03:26 PM
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12. I told my mom in one of our more heated arguments that if Bush wins
and they start send her four grandsons - mine being #1 - off to die in the perpetual bullshit wars, I will have a hard time speaking to her. She seemed terribly shocked and things definitely got worse after that. I've questioned whether it was out of line, but it's true: I will hold her personally responsible, and I don't think I'll be able to forgive her.
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 03:46 PM
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13. Yes, that ought to turn them around. LOL ...
As the "Us vs. Them" mentality grows, so too does the possibility of an all-out systems failure.

Face it, folks see what they want to see. Politics is like that.
Instead of passing judgement, and further isolating yourself by dismissing other perspectives, try and remember what it was about these folks that defined them as "friend" in the first place.
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Snotcicles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 11:22 PM
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14. What I remember isn't there anymore
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 11:29 PM
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17. So ... when folks disappoint, shut them out?
We either either grow and learn to forgive, or stand alone.
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the_outsider Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 11:25 PM
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15. if you can, get them to watch F 9/11 dvd
I got a couple of my co-workers to see it in the theater and it worked.
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ladybugg33 Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 11:27 PM
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16. And give them the link to Waxman's report.
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neomonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:17 AM
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20. Forget friends and family,
are we prepared to lose our freedoms?
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