Question about Rev. Sun Myung Moon

[WLKjr]

Okay this might sound a little stupid, but just who is this guy. I know he runs a church called the Unification Church and did some time in Danbury for tax evasion.


But this is what I always hear: Bush and Moon, Bush and Moon, Moon and Bush, Moon and Bush.

what conection do these two have???


http://home.online.no/~raygd/rev_moon.htm

[NYCGirl]

1. This link should help:

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Sun_Myung_Moon

[WLKjr]

2. So the guy owns some newspapers

and calls himself the messiah?

[RaleighNCDUer]

3. During the Seventies and Eighties he was an evil guy

who was subverting our children. How did he become a role model for Freepers?

[WLKjr]

5. what was he doing???

I am seriously curious, I want to hear from people that lived during those times, I want a little history lesson.

[Dark Jedi]

14. I would say he still is. He's just been forgotten by the public.

As for the Freeper question, that's easy. Freepers do not shy from the ideal of a theocrazy.

[elepet]

24. Moonies

It was a really big deal. He attracted young people and brainwashed them...serious brainwashing. They had to go through much therapy after they got out from under his influence. Actually I've been wondering whether Bush was secretly one of his disciples. It might explain his behavior.

[noamnety]

4. he's one of the men behind the curtain

In the senate building, our lawmakers crowned him the messiah:

http://spiderfarmer.livejournal.com/155005.html

[WLKjr]

6. that's wierd

[WLKjr]

7. Come on, I want a history lesson.

n/t

[RaleighNCDUer]

16. Things were different back then.

Kids didn't think twice about going out, hitching across country. Age of the hippies, and all.

Moon preyed on young runaways. Every city of any size had its colony of 'moonies' who would befriend runaways (and locals, too, but locals had support systems and were less vulnerable) and make friends, then converts of them. You'd see them out on the streets, on the corners, selling flowers and spare-changing. The kids were taught to not trust anyone who wasn't part of their group -- including family, old friends. These people were still in Satan's grip, and if they made any argument that might tempt you away from Moon, then it was Satan speaking through them.

It was the Moonies that started the whole backlash against cults and spurred a whole industry of 'deprogramming', where parents would kidnap their kids from the group and lock them in a motel room with a psychologist or priest who would spend anything from a couple days to a couple weeks convincing them that Moon was not the messiah.

The cult faded out of public consciousness after the Jim Jones People's Temple disaster in '79 -- they took a low profile because of that. It was some time after that (don't know just when) that Moon was sent to prison for fraud.

Wish I had some references to hand, but don't. I remember it well, though, because I was touched by it. Being a lifelong agnostic, I wasn't very vulnerable and walked away (only to be taken in by Scientologists for a few months after that). Their favorite prey were kids from religiously repressed, authoritarian backgrounds. Fundamentalists responded particularly well, for some reason.

[noamnety]

8. This is the real issue

"Moon launched The Washington Times in 1982, just a few years after one of Moon's associates, Tongsun Park, was indicted for paying bribes to a number of U.S. politicians. The paper, which has a dearth of advertising revenue, has lost more than $1 billion dollars since its inception. Nevertheless, it has become a powerful conservative voice throughout Republican ranks in both the White House and Congress. In 1996, former President Bush, who has taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from Moon, spoke before a Moon audience in Argentina and declared Moon to be a "man of vision."

...

Moon's own background, which reportedly includes links to both the Korean CIA and its American counterpart, parallels that of other ethically-tainted individuals who have once again found sanctuary in a Bush administration: Elliott Abrams, John Poindexter, Otto Reich, and John Negroponte, all of Iran-contra infamy. The Washington Times was a leading supporter of the Nicaraguan contras and a chief apologist for the perpetrators of the arms-for-hostages scandal. Violating one of the main canons of journalism -- that newspapers should not become part of or create their own stories -- the Washington Times established the Nicaraguan Freedom Fund to funnel hundreds of thousands of dollars to the contras circumventing the Boland Amendment that prohibited Federal money for the rightist guerrillas. ...

more:
http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen01142003.html

[jonnyblitz]

9. a great Moon resource is

consortiumnews.com's "dark side of rev moon" archive. :hi:

see link below:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/archive/moon.html

[K-W]

10. There are some videos here:

http://mysite.verizon.net/res7dhyg/id3.html

Scroll down, there are two videos about the unification church.

[WLKjr]

12. What are the movie titles

I must have overlooked them. Btw, are those the full movies on that site????

[Dark Jedi]

11. Moonies are Loonies :-P

The "Reverend" Moon is some guy from Korea who somehow manages to seduce hundreds of thousands of people across the world into mass marriages (partners selected by the Moon Ministry, in blind or arranged marriages). I do not know how frequent they hold these masses marriages but I have seen video clips of these events. They are huge, involving literally hundreds of couples being married at the same time (chosen by god through the good reverend, of course). This along with some other silliness have caused reasonable and sane people to coin the term "The Moonies" not only to refer to them, but to cultish groups and a herdlike mentality as well. Lately, Moonies have forayed into politics and have tried to infiltrate mainstream things. They OWN the Washington Times newspaper.

As for the tie with Bush, other people here are much more qualified to answer you on that. My knowledge is limited to documentaries on the Moonies' wackiness. But I can guess that it is only natural that one good nut deserves another.

[whistle]

13. He is the false prophet, the anti-christ, the huckster, crook, charletan

...which feeds off the nieve beliefs and desperate needs of people with lost souls, in otherwords Americans:

<snip>
REVEREND SUN MYUNG MOON
SPEAKS ON
OUR FRONT LINE
September 4, 1983
Belvedere
Translator - Bo Hi Pak
What comes to mind when you hear the term "front line"? Beyond any front line is an enemy line and an enemy country. One's enemy is dedicated to destroying him; therefore, unless one defends himself in battle, he will be destroyed. The citizens of a country have a responsibility to defend their country and themselves. There are different kinds of conflict on the earth, but none is the same as war in which governments and people are united, with the goal of common survival, to fight an enemy.

Every battle leads either to victory or defeat. If a war ends without a clear conclusion, for instance with a truce, that conflict is destined to continue until either victory or defeat is determined. Both nations fighting a war want to win, so what determines victory or defeat? The greatest power determines the outcome, whether it is military, economic, or political power. There is also the invisible power of spirit and determination that influences the outcome.


<link> http://www.unification.org/ucbooks/Mspks/1983/830904.html

[madfloridian]

15. "Bad Moon on the Rise" Salon, 2003

http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2003/09/24/moon/

SNIP..."Last December, at his three-day God and World Peace event, the Rev. Sun Myung Moon drew a notable slate of political figures, from Sen. Richard Lugar, R-Ind., to Rep. Danny Davis, D-Ill., and, perhaps most notably, James Towey, director of the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, who offered some respectful opening remarks to Moon's Unification Church faithful. Moon followed, and called for all religions to come together in support of the Bush plan for faith-based initiatives.

Coming from Moon that made perfect sense, because he already believes all religions will come together -- under him. "The separation between religion and politics," he has observed on many occasions, "is what Satan likes most." His gospel: Jesus failed because he never attained worldly power. Moon will succeed, he says, by purifying our sex-corrupted culture, and that includes cleaning up gays ("dung-eating dogs," as he calls them) and American women ("a line of prostitutes"). Jews had better repent, too. (Moon claims that the Holocaust was payback for the crucifixion of Christ: "Through the principle of indemnity, Hitler killed 6 million Jews.") His solution is a world theocracy that will enforce proper sexual habits in order to bring about heaven on earth. ..."

The language and insults are not mine, from Salon's quote of Rev. Moon.

[Wind Dancer]

17. He is dangerous!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/1...

President Bush has some new troops in his crusade to promote "healthy marriage" and teen celibacy with federal funds -- followers of the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, the controversial Korean evangelist and self-proclaimed new world messiah.

At least four longtime operatives of Moon's Unification Church are on the federal payroll or getting government grants in the administration's Healthy Marriage Initiative and other "faith-based" programs.

Two of those Moon associates were in Oakland last week leading dozens of local pastors and social workers enrolled in a "Certified Marriage Education Training Seminar" at the Holiday Inn next to the Coliseum.

In some ways, Moon is an unlikely ally for President Bush's crusade to promote traditional family values.

The 85-year-old Korean is perhaps best known for presiding over mass marriage ceremonies for devotees whose unions are arranged by Moon or other church leaders. After marriage, Unification Church couples are given detailed instructions for their honeymoon, right down to the sexual positions they are supposed to assume during their first three conjugal couplings.

more

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http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5684&n...

"One key to Moon's success is a longtime political operative named David Caprara. Caprara, a Unification Church member and former assistant secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development under Jack Kemp, is well connected in the nation's capital and serves Moon in various overlapping capacities.

Caprara serves as president of the American Family Coalition, a Moon front group, as well as representing The Washington Times Foundation. He recently accepted an appointment to serve on an advisory council that Watts put together in advance of the GOP "faith-based" summit. The Washington Times Foundation then arranged to broadcast the event live via satellite to dozens of communities.

Caprara also runs The Empowerment Network, a public policy organization that promotes "faith-based" and family solutions to societal problems. Two U.S. senators, Santorum and Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.), serve as caucus chairmen of the organization. Its "Empowerment Leadership Roundtable" lists two men who have gone to work in Bush's Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives Stanley Carlson-Thies and Don Eberly.

Through operatives like Caprara, Moon keeps a steady hand in Washington and thus in national affairs. Moon is able to open other doors through infusions of cold, hard cash when necessary. For example, many of the ministers who attended the "We Will Stand" events were given gold Christian Bernard wristwatches estimated to cost thousands of dollars apiece."

-more-

[Disturbed]

18. Yahoo or Google...

Reverend Moon Rumsfeld

for a surprise.

[jdj]

19. yes, he finances the religious right in this country

which drastically affects the political situation.

He's given money to Tim LaHaye of the Left Behind bs, and given something like $3million to Falwell's Liberty University.

[Dark Jedi]

20. Found More Stuff

On the loony moonies. Right here http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2942moonie_targt.html

[Swamp Rat]

21. Moon Messiah

[Ima]

22. Good read

I had this in my bookmarks. Moon and UN.

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:-gzQbEPy1-kJ:www.globalpolicy.org/ngos/analysis/1101moon.htm+Rev.+Moon&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[Wind Dancer]

23. From your article:

-snip-

In May 2000, News World Communications acquired control of the US news wire service United Press International, better known as UPI.(45) News World also controls Insight Magazine, The World and I, and Middle East Times (Cyprus). (46) The Moon organization also controls a monthly publication, Our Canada, and daily newspapers in Japan (Sekai Nippo) and Korea (Segye Ilbo), as well as video production facilities in New York, Washington and Tokyo and the Paragon House publisher. (47) Universal One television station in Tokyo is a Moon property as well. (48) And Moon owns a controlling interest in the cable Nostalgia Channel. (49)

The Moon organization has large business holdings in many countries, including real estate, manufacturing, shipbuilding, hotels, casinos, banks and more. As the Washington Post recently wrote: “This vast and bewildering multinational could be called Moon Inc.” (51) Fishing and seafood are an important line of holdings, which include fishing fleets in Gloucester, Massachusetts and Kodiak, Alaska. A published list of Moon companies includes hundreds of separate corporate entities with 148 names listed for New York State alone. (52) All companies are apparently held by Unification Church International, a holding company, headed by Dong Moon Joo. (53) UCI controls many companies through one or more intermediary corporations, such as Virginia-based One-Up Enterprises. True Family Trust, based in Liechtenstein, is said to play an important role in the Moon family’s financial operations. (54)

Pyongwha Automobile Company is one of many Korea-based Moon businesses. Varadero Tsako Shipyard of Uruguay, Saeilo Machinery Company of Japan, and United Trade Industries of the Netherlands are also parts of the conglomerate. (55) Il Hwa, a big Korean company specializing in ginseng products, is said to be on of the most profitable Moon enterprises. (56) New York City properties include the New Yorker Hotel(57) and the Manhattan Center recording studio. One-Up Enterprises apparently holds many of the US-based Moon properties. (58) One-Up refuses to release financial information or details about its holdings, according to the Boston Globe, but it apparently owns News World Communications. (59)

One piece of the Moon corporate puzzle, Kahr Arms, manufactures weapons at a factory in Worcester, Massachusetts. Justin Moon, son of Sun Myung Moon, serves as the Chief Executive Officer. (60) The Kahr website says that the younger Moon designed the ultra-compact Kahr semi-automatic pistol, a popular product which is “designed for concealed carry.” (61) In 1999 Kahr expanded by buying additional weapons lines from Numrich Arms, including both handguns and the famous Thomson submachine gun known as the “Tommy Gun,” a weapon best-known for its use by gangsters in the 1920s but still selling in modernized versions.

lots more on this page...............



This is a great website with "mind-control" and propaganda documentaries - wealth of info.

http://mysite.verizon.net/res7dhyg/id3.html

[starroute]

25. Turns up everywhere like a bad penny

Moon has a long-time connection with the Korean CIA and its attempts to gain influence in the US, I think going back to the 70's.

In the early and middle 80's, he was funding figures associated with Moral Majority and the religious right, like Tim LaHaye, Terry Dolan, and Jerry Falwell. He also had connections with Paul Weyrich's Heritage Foundation. When he was tried and sentenced for tax evasion, people like Falwell filed briefs in his defense. The Promise Keepers have ties to Moon as well.

After his jail sentence, he laid low for a while, but he popped up again in the 90's. Recently, his influence has come primarily through his ownership of the Washington Times and the wire service UPI.

Carlton Sherwood, the producer of the anti-Kerry film that Sinclair Broadcasting is threatening to show just before the election was previously the author of a whitewash of the Moon organization that was published by Alfred Regnery (publisher of many anti-Clinton and anti-Kerry smears.)

Moon seems to have access to huge sums of money whose sources are unknown and which raise suspicions of questionable activities and widespread money laundering. His organization is doing things like buying vast tracts of land in the tri-border region of South America, haven to drug smugglers and terrorists.

He's extremely powerful, totally batshit crazy, and engaged in massive but unknown activities behind the scenes. That's enough to make anyone nervous.

[Wind Dancer]

26. I read your earlier post on this connection

with Sherwood and Sinclair (on the boycott thread)! The interactions between the MIC, the media, Moon, publishing, etc. are extremely frightening. I have not been able to sleep tonight - we have a lot of hard work ahead of us even if Kerry wins this election. These people have been around since Nixon and affect every aspect of our lives.

Thanks for all the research you have done, we need to expose these criminals and take back what is left of our country. The media has brainwashed half the nation so this will not be easy, however through the internet, we can all unite and make this change, it's our only chance.

[starroute]

27. Thanks

I feel as though I'm coming to the subject very late myself. We've all been so mesmerized by the Bush Family Evil Empire that we've been overlooking the much more pervasive power of the New Right/Religious Right. I'm currently giving myself a crash course in the subject and trying to pass on what I learn to DU in (hopefully) manageable chunks.

Things like this Sinclair affair or the CBS memo flap are valuable because they shine a spotlight on the interconnections and show where the working alliances are today (as opposed to who knew whom back in the Moral Majority days of 20 years ago.)

Another thing the Sinclair business points up is the growing nexus among defense contractors, homeland security, information technology, and the media. This is where the real potential for Big Brother lies, and I think it's going to loom far larger ten years from now than the (hopefully waning) power of the religious right.

(Disinfopedia is probably the best source of information on these companies -- I just this minute added it to my searchbar, and I expect to be using it a lot.)

[Zorra]

28. Moon is an extremely dangerous rabid RW nutcase that desires to use

his egocentric, insane philosophy to bring about a fascist one world government controlled by RWers and enforced by his brainwashed zombie like followers.

[WLKjr]

29. Thanks All

I feel smarter now!

[Minstrel Boy]

30. Wayne Madsen on Moon and Bush:

Moon launched The Washington Times in 1982, just a few years after one of Moon's associates, Tongsun Park, was indicted for paying bribes to a number of U.S. politicians. The paper, which has a dearth of advertising revenue, has lost more than $1 billion dollars since its inception. Nevertheless, it has become a powerful conservative voice throughout Republican ranks in both the White House and Congress. In 1996, former President Bush, who has taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from Moon, spoke before a Moon audience in Argentina and declared Moon to be a "man of vision." Bush 41, who could never really grasp the "vision thing," decided Moon had it.

Moon's own background, which reportedly includes links to both the Korean CIA and its American counterpart, parallels that of other ethically-tainted individuals who have once again found sanctuary in a Bush administration: Elliott Abrams, John Poindexter, Otto Reich, and John Negroponte, all of Iran-contra infamy. The Washington Times was a leading supporter of the Nicaraguan contras and a chief apologist for the perpetrators of the arms-for-hostages scandal. Violating one of the main canons of journalism -- that newspapers should not become part of or create their own stories -- the Washington Times established the Nicaraguan Freedom Fund to funnel hundreds of thousands of dollars to the contras circumventing the Boland Amendment that prohibited Federal money for the rightist guerrillas. Moon was also one of the few influential people who continued to defend Richard Nixon even as the President was resigning over the Watergate scandal.

In addition to his media empire, Moon also owns a Jonestown-type compound in Brazil called New Hope. He has also invested in the sparsely-populated and impoverished Marshall Islands. He has infiltrated one of the secessionist movements fighting for independence for the Angolan enclave of Cabinda. Moon's favorites in Africa included some of the CIA's most reliable clients: UNITA in Angola and RENAMO in Mozambique. Moon's fronts even maintained a dialogue with Pol Pot's murderous Khmer Rouge in Cambodia. The Khmer Rouge murdered 3 million Cambodians. More surprisingly, Moon reportedly partly owns a hotel in Pyongyang and a North Korean Fiat automobile plant. His flirtation with mind control techniques is legendary. Parents have spent millions trying to deprogram their children from the effects of Moon's Pavlovian brain bending methods. Moon's mass marriages of unwitting American males to Korean wives, while humorous on the surface, nevertheless managed to trap Zambian Roman Catholic Bishop Emmanuel Milingo. At least one pre-eminent Washington Times reporter is said to have been enticed into one of his boss's mass marriage ceremonies.

At the 20th anniversary celebration of The Washington Times held last year in Washington, Moon seemingly endlessly spoke in Korean at the alcohol-free affair. He said The Washington Times would "spread the truth about God to the world." But in Moon's world, he is God. President Bush sent a message to the banquet stating, "Since 1982, people across America and throughout the world have relied on The Washington Times as a distinguished source of information and opinion."

Bush seems to value Moon's commitment to family values. Bush named David Caprara, the head of Moon's American Family Coalition, as the director of VISTA (Volunteers in Service to America).
http://www.counterpunch.org/madsen01142003.html