Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Why I am a Democrat

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
mumon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 11:37 PM
Original message
Why I am a Democrat
Edited on Sat Oct-09-04 11:38 PM by Kanzeon
It's really quite simple. Look at Watergate, Iran-Contra, BCCI, Iraq-gate, the election of 2000, the Patriot Act, and the secret-keeping nature of the present Bush administration.

Republicans have continued to keep in positions of power people like Elliott Abrams (convicted in Iran-contra, now ambassador to the UN), Ted Olson (Solicitor General, player in the attempts to smear Bill Clinton in an attempt to effect a legal coup d'etat) and others.

The Republican party, quite simply, tends towards what can only be described as treasonours or seditious- they have attempted to thwart rsponsible, representitive government at any cost. And that, frankly trumps everything, although fhe fact that they've fucked up the economy, social policy, and international relations does indeed weigh against them as well..

I may have a problem with some of the more bizarre aspects of affirmative action (or not), abortion (or not), or the shady business deals that Democrats do, but frankly, not being a treasonous Repubiican is at the top of my list.

And your reasons?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
BOSSHOG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 11:49 PM
Response to Original message
1. I was apolitical until the 90's
when the GOP turned me into an activist liberal democrat. Everytime I watched the news or read the paper it was some more dirty tricks from republicans trying to get Clinton, and it never stopped. And the attacks had no merit. Today we have tom delay blathering on about the investigation against him is just politics; and the conservatives are running a moral failure for Senator of Oklahoma. Bill frist and ed gillespie and the rest of the slime in the republican party. They are totally evil.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mumon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #1
3. yes, and that kinda scares me...
why is 1 party in the US so evil? Not that the Dems are all sweetness and light- there's Jim Trafficant, Ed Koch, and others.

but that's the problem- to "middle America" it seems that with 2 parties it's a case of "he said, she said," but the other f*ckin side is a bunch of REAL traitors, and to compenaste they have to accuse Democrats of being traitors.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Syrinx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-09-04 11:49 PM
Response to Original message
2. nail meet hammer n/t
Edited on Sat Oct-09-04 11:50 PM by syrinx9999
edit: oops, I feel like W. ;)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
More Than A Feeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:25 AM
Response to Original message
4. because...
I believe that gays/lesbians deserve every legal right that I will be entitled to if/when I am married.

I do not believe that every poor person is out to scam the system.

the free market should first be applied to all those corporate subsidies.

of Bill Clinton, and the hounding that they gave him.

the Republican theory of government seems to be "do the least to solve problems that you can scam people into believing that it is enough"

I trusted the president, and that trust was betrayed.

I don't have the energy to live my life in fear of all the people the Republican party would like me to fear.

For these reasons, I am a Democrat. I used to be a moderate one. Now I seem to be getting more liberal by the day.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mumon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:12 AM
Response to Reply #4
8. I don't disagree with those beliefs...
for me, the real kicker was Watergate, then Chile, the repression of domestic dissent, all this stuff in the late 60's early 70s showed me that these guys are a lot closer to fascists than the media gives 'em credit for.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
OnionPatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 12:32 AM
Response to Original message
5. That's the top of my list too
I don't care if Dems are not innocent of occasional political hi-jinx, but the Republicans make theirs look like child's play.
I am not able to trust even the most innocent seeming Republican. Just belonging to that party makes me question their integrity.
I don't fall in line with liberals on every single issue but at least I feel confident that most of them have a soul.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:16 AM
Response to Original message
6. I've been a Democrat since 15, when I heard Nixon supporters
Edited on Sun Oct-10-04 01:20 AM by NCevilDUer
saying it was a good thing that Bobby got shot. At that same time (spring '68 -- powerful election year emotions) I had taken it upon myself to break down the constitution, line by line, article by article, and rewrite it into a modern, relevant document. There was a lot of talk about forming a new constitutional convention back then. Worked on it for weeks, a couple months at least. Put in all the things I was hearing around the base and at school (I was an overseas brat). When I was finished, I read through it and discovered I was a nazi. Made me realize what happens when you absorb attitudes without examining them. Tore it up and have been wavering between liberal and radical ever since. I still wish I'd kept that draft, just for reference, though.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 01:50 AM
Response to Original message
7. Because corporatism is fascism.
That's probably the biggest reason that drives me today. The Republican Party would naturally become a vehicle for corporatists given it's basic philosophy of limited government and little regulation. That doesn't mean the Democrats are immune to giving in though. As long as you have an election system where politicians must solicit money for their campaigns, then the ones with the most money and the most resources have an advantage every time. A small government with no teeth is something that can't protect the people.

Before this I drifted left because I felt things such as universal health care and public education were and are good ideas. Why do students have to go into debt just to get a better education? Why do we allow 45,000,000 people to live without health care in the nation that claims to be the richest in the world? I think social programs are good ideas, but apparently socialism is pure evil and that I'm a pinko commie bastard for espousing it.

The next level of knowledge I picked up had to deal with the core of fascism. I firmly believe, after reading up and researching it on my own time, that the root of fascism is nothing but the mere lust for power and profits. It's vehicle is the corporation; it's the most effective one nowadays. All that stuff with extreme nationalism, obsession with traditions, anti-liberalism, etc. is one gigantic red herring in my book.

All of this is simply meant to distract the population, while the ones who want power work to destroy the institutions of democracy. Corporations come into the picture because without the resources and support that they command, none of it would be possible. They are the ones that can bankroll politicians, control the media, and move the economy. It was Hitler collaborating with industrialists of the era who put the Germans back to work, but they were turning out war machines, not things used in peace.

While it's one thing to stoke people's nationalism, it's another to get them to do things against their own interests like start wars and give up their freedoms. Someone else already covered how to do this:



The reason why my stance is this way is not only because I think helping people get a leg up is a good idea but because I fear the emergence of corporatism as the dominating feature in the US.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Maestro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 08:02 AM
Response to Reply #7
12. Whoa! That Georing quote is scary!
Let's not foget history folks.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #7
15. Hi Selatius!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:41 AM
Response to Original message
9. To make the "myth" of America into a REALITY
A gov't of, by and for the people.

Liberty and justice for all.

A country that cares as much for families, mothers and children as it does embryos, fetuses, and legislating morality.

A gov't that truly cares for the welfare of the people. (not corporations)

Because I do not see democracy and a representative republic diametrically opposed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:42 AM
Response to Original message
10. Look up!
A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered her altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him, "Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am."

The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, "You're in a hot air balloon approximately 30 feet above a ground elevation of 2346 feet above sea level.
You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude."

She rolled her eyes and said, "You must be a Democrat."

"I am," replied the man. "How did you know?"

"Well," answered the balloonist, "everything you told me is technically correct, but I have no idea what to do with your information, and I'm still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help to me."

The man smiled and responded, "You must be a Republican."

"I am," replied the balloonist. "How did you know?"

"Well," said the man, "you don't know where you are or where you're going. You've risen to where you are, due to a large quantity of hot air. You made a promise that you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met but, somehow, now it's my fault."

------------
Not mine, a paste. Peace
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 07:59 AM
Response to Original message
11. The contrasts are evident
Dems believe that government should no longer tell you how to live.

Pubs want to tell you who you can live with, what you should do with your life, and who you should believe.

----------------------

Dems think government should keep the playing field even.

Pubs think they own the high ground.

----------------------

Pubs are for an everlasting, overarching, complete control on society where everyone conforms to their beliefs. A monarchy.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
demforall Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 08:09 AM
Response to Original message
13. Worker vs. Owner
it really comes down to Democrats are the people's party, and the RNC just cares about big business ...i mean, come on,it's obvious
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-10-04 10:16 AM
Response to Original message
14. I am more of a Liberal Independent but in NY
one has to be a Dem or GOP to vote in primaries, so I've always registered Dem.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri Apr 19th 2024, 10:20 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC