For Those Who Predicted The Bush Debacle

[indigobusiness]

Do you feel truly vindicated, or thwarted by the rampant denial?

I'm bumfuzzled that Bush hasn't been tarred and feathered, keel-hauled, and run out of town on a rail.

Go figure his possible re-election...what a head-scratcher.

[unblock]

1. tarring and feathering often doesn't happen until the LOSER label sticks

just wait and see what they do to shrub after he loses the election.

[indigobusiness]

3. If he wins

do you think he'll be impeached?

[Downtown Hound]

10. As long as the Republicans control Congress

It ain't never going to happen. Republicans put their party and their own selfish interests above the interests of the country.

[indigobusiness]

15. Republicans might lose their stranglehold. And backing Bush might be

viewed as a liability if the tide turns against Bush, as appears likely. He has alienated the old guard CIA, and much of his Base. He can't maintain this masquerade forever...can he?

[Downtown Hound]

18. No he can't

I'm convinced that even if Bush wins this election (and at this point I'd put my money against that) he will go down in history as a failure. But impeachment? The Dems might take the Senate this time around, but there's no way they'll get the House and even if they did they still wouldn't have enough votes for impeachment.

If Bush wins, it's going to be up to us to keep the pressure on him and the media. That means organizing. That means marching. That means boycotting. That means resisting everywhere and anyway we can without turning into a bunch of violent fanatics. We need to stop talking about how we're going to leave the country and start talking about ways to fight. America is worth fighting for, even if half of its population hasn't got a fucking clue where their asshole is located, I love the other half and I'm not going to let these bastards snuff us out like a candle. But we can forget about impeachment, it's not going to happen unless Bush gets caught hanging puppies on meathooks. And even then, sometimes I wonder.

[unblock]

11. not a chance in hell.

his party might distance themselves from him, but they'd never impeach him. that's way too damaging for the party. just ask al gore.

[Beam Me Up]

2. "re-election"

* Was not elected in the first place.

* Is not where the buck stops or where the important decisions are made.

* Contributes nothing to the Corporate owned National Security State and is completely expendable from their point of view.

* His only assets are a) he is progeny of a Nazi Oiligarch family with strong ties to the ME and b) he is too stupid to know he is being used. (Just like those who support him.)

[indigobusiness]

6. A figure of speech. It is laughable his fear of a World Criminal Court

He seems fixated on the possibility of his future appearance there.

[acmavm]

4. I'm just disgusted and amazed by the incredible support that this guy

still has. The worst president this nation ever had, and this guy is still in the running to be elected. Notice I didn't say re-elected. The facts that have come out about the election fraud and the halt of the Florida recount should have been enough to tell almost everyone except the true ditto heads that this guy was a bad rabbit. But no, somehow the hijacking of an election didn't make a dent on their rock hard skull.

And then taking into consideration everything he's done since, that is just mind-boggling. Iraq, the economy, the tax cuts. What the hell is wrong with so many people in this country. I know some people talk about his love affair with the religious right. But nothing, absolutely nothing, he has done squares with the teachings of Christ.

These people have some kind of mental illness that I just do not understand. Never will.

But let me say this, he has never failed to live down to my expectations.

[indigobusiness]

8. That's the sad tragic aspect---his support.

Makes me feel ill at ease in my own country. Like, who are the pod people and who are the humans?

[onecent]

13. Well written and so true

I'd like to use parts of this in an email.

[acmavm]

17. Be my guest. And thank you for the compliment.

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[indigobusiness]

19. The Christ conundrum is perplexing

This point you make has mystified me for some time:

"...nothing, absolutely nothing, he has done squares with the teachings of Christ."

Who are these supporters from the religious right...and what DO they believe in?

A truly confounding mystery.

[WyLoochka]

21. nothing, he has done squares with the teachings of Christ

Many people don't understand that Fundies really follow the teachings of Paul. They give lip service to Christ, but it is Paul who is just about all when it comes to Fundie dogma.

Despite all their trappings of "true believerism," Fundies adhere to Paulism, which has little to do with the teachings of Christ. This ardent Paulism combined with a belief in an apocalypse, as penned by the raving hallucinator John, provides some understanding for people who are somewhat familiar with these writings, as to why Fundies seem to be able to rationalize anything BushCo does.


The observation about Paul is not new, to wit:

Thomas Jefferson on Paul: "Paul was the first corrupter of the doctrines of Jesus."

Albert Schweitzer on Paul: "Where possible Paul avoids quoting the teaching of Jesus, in fact even mentioning it. If we had to rely on Paul, we should not know that Jesus taught in parables, had delivered the sermon on the mount, and had taught His disciples the 'Our Father.' Even where they are specially relevant, Paul passes over the words of the Lord."

Will Durant on Paul: "Paul created a theology of which none but the vaguest warrants can be found in the words of Christ." "Fundamentalism is the triumph of Paul over Christ."

Walter Kaufmann (Professor of Philosophy, Princeton) on Paul: "Paul substituted faith in Christ for the Christlike life."

George Bernard Shaw on Paul: "No sooner had Jesus knocked over the dragon of superstition than Paul boldly set it on its legs again in the name of Jesus."

Jeremy Bentham (English Philosopher) on Paul: "If Christianity needed an Anti-Christ, they needed look no farther than Paul."

Thomas Hardy on Paul: "The new testament was less a Christiad than a Pauliad."

Carl Jung on Paul: "Paul hardly ever allows the real Jesus of Nazareth to get a word in."

Bishop John S. Spong on Paul: "Paul's words are not the Words of God. They are the words of Paul- a vast difference."

[timtom]

23. How true! How true!

Mesquite, that was a great post. While I am fairly well-read, I never happened upon any of these observations on Paul. I arrived at the same conclusions based on not-so-careful textual analysis. But there it is: what has Jesus to do with bishops and women shutting the heck up in church and ecclesiastical organization?

Codification is death.

[acmavm]

25. Very enlightening. I have never seen those quotes, but I have often

wondered about Paul. He always seems a too radical to be a pure follower of Christ. He was more Ayatolah (sp?) than apostle it seems to me. If everyone followed the teachings of Paul, there wouldn't be many of us here. He always ranted against sexual intercourse and for virginity, but I always wondered who he thought would be around to read his words if they went along with the part about abstinence even when married. Now that was just plain strange.

[annabanana]

5. no vindication would ever, EVER ease the pain

of having to live in this world destroyed. He has given us real cause to fear our own government..he has killed 1,071 of our people in Iraq to enrich his oil buddies. Vindication is a bitter, undesired victory.

[indigobusiness]

12. The statistics lie...it is really much worse when you factor in

the suicides, non-combat deaths, friendly fire casualties, mental and physical maimings, etc etc etc...

And, I would remind those who forget, or ignore the fact, that nonAmericans are human, too.

Our karma is cooked.

[DenverDem]

7. Guillotining will be the only vindication.

That or a stake through the heart (if one exists).

[Malva Zebrina]

9. I think it is outrageous

and I am outraged at the way he has managed to introduce fascism right under our noses, and we were helpless.

I am outraged over the ignorant boobs that think it just fine that he lied to invade a country that was defenseless, bomb it's historic cities, and kill more than thirty thousands of the innnocent people there.

I am outraged at the greed, the selfishness, the shallowness, the lack of critical reasoning, the lack of concern over the slaughter of human beings, by the followers of Bush.

I have never seen it this bad--this attitude of complete concentration on self interest to the point where killing of babies, is justified in their mind ,under any excuse that suits them, so they can continue on their extravagant spending sprees unhampered by thoughts of their complicity in this slaughter.

[indigobusiness]

16. Fascism, or Coporatism as Mussolini said it might as well be called

has been stewing mightily since Reagan. The pot blew its top when the bloodless coup was pulled off in Florida. What is most outraging is the support it has enjoyed.

You are so right on when you eloquently state:

"I am outraged at the greed, the selfishness, the shallowness, the lack of critical reasoning, the lack of concern over the slaughter of human beings, by the followers of Bush.

I have never seen it this bad--this attitude of complete concentration on self interest to the point where killing of babies, is justified in their mind ,under any excuse that suits them, so they can continue on their extravagant spending sprees unhampered by thoughts of their complicity in this slaughter."

There will be hell to pay.

[TrustingDog]

14. unfortunately, he is here to stay...

we'll be telling our grandchildren (if the asshole doesn't destroy the friggen world first) about witnessing the beginning of the end and how we saw it coming.

sour times.

[roguevalley]

22. I see a bunch of possibilities if he loses.

He probably will feel relief deep down but he will spend his life self justifying and feeling rage that he ended up like his dad.

I also think his party will collapse if he loses. I don't care if they retain some of the legislative control. they will collapse under the burden of the Neo-con experiment and will find themselves rudderless for a while. you can only muscle people so long before the wheels come off the cart. I think if they lose, the Repugs are going down for a long time.

I also don't know how many people do really support him. Polls have lied and lots of people aren't being counted yet. I think he has soft support at best.

[devinsgram]

24. Agree

When he loses this election the repug party will not only begin to collapse they will begin to devour themselves till nothing is left. It will splinter into a thousand pieces and never get back in power.
And the only ones that will be to blame will be themselves.

[leftofthedial]

20. thwarted, disappointed, ashamed of my country

why the little bushturd and his gang are not in prison is a defining question of our time.

In any civilized country, these criminals would have resigned in disgrace.