I have had it with my family!!!

[blackmoonlillith]

> My mother sent me an e-mail this morning with this http://www.catsprn.com/letter_of_apology.htm. This was my reply. I am going to my hometown this week, which is where my family lives. I can't stay with them because all of my brothers are pro-Bush and my mother is afraid we'll get into a fight. Sad how this administration has torn families apart.



Both resident shrub and vp cheney have now admitted that there was no definitive proof of a link between Iraqis and Osama or Saddam and OBL. Cheney denied ever saying that Saddam had something to do with 911 during his debate with Edwards. Even though he has over and over and over again.

Even our soldiers, who are dying for the greedy who lied to us about WMD and Saddam having something to do with 911, know this. (I've got plenty more of these articles if this isn't enough for you. I've also got pictures of soldiers crying holding their comrades who are now blown to bits, dead for nothing but lies and greed.)
Marines in Iraq asking questions

Edited on Mon Oct-11-04 11:59 AM by JoFerret http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/world/2840794

ISKANDARIYAH, IRAQ - Scrawled on the helmet of Lance Cpl. Carlos Perez are the letters FDNY. After the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on New York, the Pentagon and western Pennsylvania, Perez quit school, left his job as a firefighter in Long Island, N.Y., and joined the U.S. Marine Corps.

"To be honest, I just wanted to take revenge," said Perez, 20.

Now, two months into a seven-month combat tour in Iraq, Perez said he sees little connection between the events of Sept. 11 and the war he is fighting. Instead, he said, he is increasingly disillusioned by a conflict whose origins remain unclear and frustrated by the timidity of U.S. forces against a mostly faceless enemy.

Perez is hardly alone. In a dozen interviews, Marines from the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marine Regiment expressed their frustrations with the way the war is being conducted and, in some cases, doubts about why it is being waged <more>



What happened in Abu Graib is inexcusable. It taints an institution which for many reasons we should be proud, the military. Most of the torture was committed not by the military but individuals who were hired from outside contractors. We're now outsourcing torture. This is the most despicable, corrupt, evil administration ever to run our wonderful country. Anyone who votes for them is insane. By the way, yesterday in the Dallas newspaper they ran an op-ed discussing the draft. Why is this important? Because the draft will be brought back if these criminals are re-elected. And just because your sons are in college, that won't keep them out of the draft. They will be deferred from the military until the end of the semester and then they will be sent to Iraq and perhaps Iran or perhaps Syria.

I never want to discuss politics with any of you again or religion. I once had a great deal of respect for the Republican party. Not until they purge themselves of the neoconservatives, who by the way are largely responsible for this cluster !@#$ in Iraq, will I have any respect for them. If you want to learn more about the neoconservatives, I suggest the google search engine.

This administration has betrayed our soldiers and betrayed us. End of rant.

Love ya and hope you're doing great,
Mary

[ladybugg33]

1. You may want to send them a copy of this report.

http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=Iraq+on+the+Record&page=2&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D478ea14d44cacdbd%26clickedItemRank%3D14%26userQuery%3DIraq%2Bon%2Bthe%2BRecord%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.ratical.org%252Fratville%252FCAH%252FIraqOnRecord.html%26invocationType%3Dnext%26fromPage%3DNSCPNextPrev%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ratical.org%2Fratville%2FCAH%2FIraqOnRecord.html

It's worth time to print it and send it. More than anything else it speaks to the "character" of the people leading this government.

[blackmoonlillith]

4. Thanks...

I'll send it there way, and thanks to everyone who replied.

[Frances]

2. I stopped talking politics with my mother and siblings during

the Vietnam War.

However, I am pretty sure that several of my nieces and nephews are now anti-Bush!

[Peanut Gallery]

3. I can identify. My dad and I have to avoid political discussion

altogether. We are diametric opposites and have had some heated exchanges this year.

[sbj405]

5. Did anyone else check out the rest of the first website?

The home page is relatively bland - pictures of their cats and their house. (BTW, not such a smart thing to do when you are putting racist crap on the internet). This page is particularly scarey. http://www.catsprn.com/good-ones.htm Warning: Turn off your speakers as every page has a new and equally annoying song.

[skygazer]

6. Frustrating, isn't it?

My dad insists that Bush is a "decent and honest man." Makes me want to puke. He believes all the talking points. It's difficult to maintain a respectful dialogue and it's awful because this is family. We've talked politics, on which we've always differed, for 25 years or more but this is the first time it's gotten so heated.

What frustrates me the most is that my dad's views have always been that of a conservative and I've pointed out the fact that Bush is NOT conservative in the least. I sent him the Eisenhower letter as well as an article by another Repub who worked in the Reagan White House but he is committed to suppporting the GOP and right now the GOP means the neo fascists.

It's like the years leading up to the Civil War when political differences ripped families apart, sometimes permanently. Uniter, my ass!

[maxsolomon]

7. which internets do they get their info from?

because this one thinks bush is a dick.

[ReverendDeuce]

8. You're not alone, believe me...

My father was in Vietnam. He tells harrowing stories of being shot at, carrying wounded and dead around, the drug abuse by fellow soldiers, etc. They are interesting stories. However, he's now a pure right wing fanatic. He and I decided about two years ago that we shall not discuss politics any longer.

What's truly sad is that, according to my mother, he refused to accept his medals. Much like the VVAW's symbolic "medal tossing", he didn't want anything to do with them.

Oddly, about four years ago he decided to get his medals back. Now he's a hardcore Republican. A sad, sad story. :(

[cheezus]

9. what that website you linked said:

We're glad Arabs were tortured in by Americans. We've wasted too many resources on you worthless heathens already. We hate Arabs.

[blackmoonlillith]

10. Sometimes I feel so torn...

I want the troops to come home and it hurts me when I see the pain they're going through. But, on the other hand, it isn't right what the Iraqis are going through either. I don't want to hate the Iraqis. You're right that this is racist filth. This is why the war in the ME has been so easy to pull the US into. We're still a very racist country. And, I'm sick of feeling torn between loving my nation but despising its actions in Iraq and loving my family but despising their ignorance and hatred. Some days it gets to be too much!!!