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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:43 AM
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Parker & Stone: If you're too stupid to understand issues, don't vote.
Edited on Mon Oct-11-04 11:50 AM by FatSlob
What say you?

edit to add: No link, I heard this 3rd hand. If you have a link, post it.
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:46 AM
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1. I don't value much what these two have to say

They seem very ignorant of the issues as far as I am concerned.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 01:07 PM
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27. Same here. They just seem sort of... dumb.
I love parody- even when it's attacking something I like. Good parody is insightful and passionate, in it's own way.

But the South Park guys just seem sort of uninformed, apathetic, and... dumb. I don't really care to hear a 3rd grade parody of politics, no matter what side their lampooning. It's just shallow.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:46 AM
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2. I think most people "think" they understand the issues...
I also think what they said could be interpreted to mean that the less educated, the less well off people (people who might find voting Democratic to be in their best interest) should not bother showing up on election day.
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:48 AM
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4. Good point. eom
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9119495 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 12:58 PM
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25. Quote from Southpark:
paraphrased Stan: "I learned something today. People are always criticising America, but if you don't like the team...then get out of the stadium"

In other words, Love what your leader is doing or "geed out."
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 03:03 PM
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35. Also from the same episode...
Kyle: All right, I've had just about enough of this! They told us in school, and on TV, that most people in Pakistan and Afghanistan like America.
Afghan kid: And you believe it? It is not just the Taliban that hates America. Over a third of the world hates America!
Stan: But why? Why does a third of the world hate us?
Afghan kid: Because, you don't realize that a third of the world hates you!!!
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Jack The Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:48 AM
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I dont understand..are these two advocating not voting?
could you provide a link?
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:51 AM
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8. It's a Republican campaign...
College republicans are writing editorials in their school newspapers saying the same thing.

The more people that vote, the more they'll vote Democratic. So they're trying to keep turnout to a minimum.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:52 AM
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10. Someone posted the other day
that low voter turnouts favor Republicans. So tell every Republican you know to encourage a low voter turnout by staying home!
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:57 AM
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12. Or tell them:
A vote for Nader is a vote for Bush.
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Jack The Tab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:48 AM
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3. I dont understand..are these two advocating not voting?
could you provide a link?
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FatSlob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:49 AM
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6. I'm link hunting now. I heard it third hand.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:48 AM
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5. "If you're too stupid to understand issues THE WAY WE DO, don't vote."
They both should STFU.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 12:38 PM
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22. You nailed it...
I've found that people either (a) agree with me, or (b) are dumb fucks.

:P
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:49 AM
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7. Elitist?
Sometimes it isn't understanding. Sometimes it's a feeling, a knowing, based on what you see happening in your neighborhood, to your family, to your friends.

It's the people who understand the issues but choose on the basis of self-interest to ignore the facts who bother me.
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:52 AM
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9. Didn't Bill Maher say something similar recently?
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:53 AM
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11. where?
Context?
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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:58 AM
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13. Not sure. That's why I'm asking.
I thought he'd said some such thing on his show recently.

Trying to google a transcript as we speak.

To me, it doesn't sound like a bad idea. I'm not sure I'm keen on letting those who are WILFULLY blind to the issues near a ballot box.

Juuuuuust my half-awake thought for the day.
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:58 AM
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14. If you're gonna say that, then get the damn quote right.
"Please, if you're the kind of person who's going to change your vote based on seeing our movie or seeing Michael Moore's movie, you should not be voting. Please don't vote. Thank you very much."


And, I think the two are worthless hacks that for some reason, have gotten way too much publicity for their shit.

www.nypost.com/entertainment/30964.htm

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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 12:00 PM
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17. But Moore made a documentary, not a sophomoric puppet show
They can't seem to tell the difference
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 12:06 PM
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19. But...but...but...
They're "COMIC GENIUSES!!!" </sarcasm>


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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:58 AM
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15. Smarmy libertarian dorks still suffering from beatings they received...
in high school. The "smartest guys" in a roomful of idiots. Big fucking deal.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 01:05 PM
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26. Exactly. I am ashamed to say I have been a fan of
South Park in the past, primarily because of their irreverance, but their politcal leanings have unfortunately tarnished the humor.

Don't these morons realize the the Repukes would shut them down in a second if they have their way. Typical retards voting against their own interests. THEY are the types of people who should stay away from the voting booth because they clearly have their heads up their asses.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 11:59 AM
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16. The story: Parker and Stone rip on P Diddy's Vote or Die
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 01:36 PM
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31. Boondocks also ripped on P Diddy's "Vote or Die" campaign
Pretty mercilessly. Wanna crucify Aaron McGruder now as well? :eyes:
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Sterling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 12:06 PM
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18. So they are not voting this year I assume?
I kind of understand what they are saying but what they probably don't get is that is the kind of thing that was used to keep blacks and women from taking part in the system.

The goal should be to help everyone understand the issues that impact them and what politicians positions are on those issues. When we don't fund our schools as well as our army you get a lot of out of touch people. I would say Parker and Stone are a victim of this as much as anybody else from some of the stuff I have seen on SP over the years. I still watch but I am starting to see them as out of touch and a little slow witted at time.

It's like they really are just like Cartman as they say in their bio.
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 12:35 PM
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21. LOL
:)
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slappypan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 12:06 PM
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20. Yeah maybe we could have a literacy test
or maybe a poll tax. Because if they're P. Diddy fans, they must be too stupid to vote, right? Unlike South Park fans. No sense getting those people all riled up about voting, when they're just not smart enough.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 12:40 PM
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23. Don't laugh.....
DUers were talking about an issues test for political intelligence.

The context being preventing dumb rednecks from voting.
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Debi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 12:53 PM
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24. Why do we care what they say?
First, they can say what they want, we don't have to listen to them.

Second, how serious are we supposed to take the creators of South Park?



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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 01:14 PM
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28. I think it worthwhile to see them for what they are...
Some people are more obvious in their right-wing conservativeness than others,

Seems like what with their new political movie - they might have an effect on the younger vote in particular.

If they are trying to suppress that vote ( and/or more subtly influencing people toward Bush*) - it is worth noting.
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jdsmith Donating Member (612 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 01:22 PM
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29. Also did the "History of US" in "Bowling for Columbine"
So they can be coerced into working for the Good Guys.
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 01:34 PM
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30. No, that wasn't them. eom
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 01:42 PM
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32. There was the little part where Stone talks about Littleton...
""South Park" co-creator Matt Stone, who was raised in Littleton, explains that while Columbine was "painfully normal" when he was there, the teachers were destructive in their overbearing message that any kid who wasn't overachieving in sixth grade "would die poor and lonely." He maintains that many a troubled teen can't see past the crucible of high school to the future that nearly always vindicates the social misfits and punishes the popular kids. Getting that message out might be more effective than gun control."

http://www.mgm.com/ua/bowlingforcolumbine/reviews/2002-06-07-variety.php
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 02:15 PM
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33. That should eliminate most of the repuke vote...
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dean_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 02:52 PM
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34. Not to be the contrarian here...
being the new guy and all, but I have a feeling they were mostly speaking with their tongue-in-cheek. But seriously, when it comes down to it, I don't want someone who has convinced themselves that Saddam was sponsoring training camps in Iraq, and personally gave the order to fly the planes into the WTC making political decisions that are affecting my life. I mean, it's a free country, so people have the right to be wrong, and they have the right to vote accordingly, but I also don't put too much stock in the opinion of someone who simply votes because P. Diddy told them too. That is not going to address the problem of disenchantment and detachment from the political process that so many younger people have. Registering as many people as possible is a great thing, but there should be at least a just as concerted effort to get the facts to those people, so that when they vote, they are making an informed decision. Otherwise, you have people voting for a candidate because "he's the kind of guy you could have a beer with."
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Borgnine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 03:09 PM
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36. Parker and Stone are funny guys, but...
...they seem to have an odd perspective on everything. Remember that South Park episode where they blamed the war on drugs on liberals? What?
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yankeedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-11-04 03:15 PM
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37. Matt and Trey
Draw your little cartoons and leave the issues for the adults, mmmkay?
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