What country is everyone going to flee to if * wins?

[catbert836]

I was thinking of going to Sweden myself.
Thoughts?

[liontamer]

1. alas, I am invested in this country

and will not be able to leave even if all hell breaks loose.

[Wickerman]

2. Close, Estonia for me

Like Sweden, but cheaper and more employment.

[juliagoolia]

Where did the Bounty Crew go?

PitCarin Island!

[Big Kahuna]

10. Yes, a secluded Island paradise!

as long as you don't mind your children subject to casual statutory rape by the island elders.

[alittlelark]

101. My nanny for 4 years, Ulle Kaldre is back in Estonia now

Due to a need to return because her husband was divorcing her covertly and attempting to take all of her property. I had not thought about it, but, she loved her country (and I miss her kids)!

[Unstuck In Time]

3. Freedonia!

[kerryin2004]

4. Canada or Ireland!!

I haven't decided yet.. Either would be fine, but if anyone has any other ideas where English is the primary language I would be glad to hear your suggestions.. I would go to Germany as I love that country, but alas , I can't speak their language:(

[polmaven]

17. I was thinking about Canada

until the (p)resident told us how really undevelopepd and third world they are, and how much they obviously hate us! I mean, any country that would import poison drugs from the US and re-import them just can't be trusted!

[kerryin2004]

44. I will take my chances..n/t

[amazona]

20. isn't Belize English speaking?

And a lot more affordable than Canada or Ireland.

Trinidad and Tobago is English speaking also.

[laruemtt]

73. hubby and i are off

to st. lucia - a couple of islands from trinidad and tobago. hope the hurricanes lay off for a while.....

[mmonk]

87. yes

to your questions on Belize/English and cheaper.

[Massacure]

94. Most people in Belize are Trilingual

They speak English, Spanish, and their native language. (Mayan is it?)

[Blue Wally]

104. Mayan in Belize???

Most residents of Belize are African in origin.

[Massacure]

114. African? WTF, People could cross the ocean 2,000 years ago?

http://www.crystalinks.com/mayan.html

The mayan civilization developed in what is now Belize as well as the Yucatan region.

[RGBflawed]

5. Denmark

I've even started learning Danish.

Ve can spise om et kvarter!

[catbert836]

9. Yeah. Right now, Scandinavia seems like the best option

Clean environment, cool people, socialist governments and all that.

[Peak_Oil]

106. Aren't they subsidized by means of locally extracted oil?

I thought the Scandinavian countries support their excellent lifestyles by the sale of their own oil resources. I of course (and probably am) could be totally wrong, though.

For that matter, Canada is subsidized in the same way.

[Bjornsdotter]

112. No, you aren't wrong....

....Danmark and Norway do have oil and natural gas resources.

IMHO, I have always thought that was one of the reasons Norway did not join the EU.

Cheers,
Kim :toast:

[Bjornsdotter]

28. Ooooo.....Copenhagen...

....is my favorite city in the world!

Cheers,
Kim :toast:

[Rick Myers]

6. Oh, Canada...

[disgruntled_goat]

7. The Undiscovered Country

n/t

[ibegurpard]

8. I'm getting a little tired of this

Fleeing the country is not just a simple option of packing your bags and going. Everyone have their passports in order? A visa for the country you want to go to? I wish people would stop making it seem like this is a viable option.

[catbert836]

12. You know, thousands of draft-dodgers did the "easy" option

that you just described back in the 60s and 70s. Many stayed there in Canada. I think its an entirely viable option (I mean immigration) if I feel I'm not a part of this country anymore.

[QC]

92. Do you really think Canada allows foreigners to just sashay right in,

get a job, and settle down, simply because they don't like the outcome of an election somewhere else?

[Big Kahuna]

15. Canada is an option.

If you can speak/read/write French, you have a great advantage. My wife and I score enough points with our technical/professional backgrounds to squeak by.

http://www.cic.gc.ca/

[Unforgiven]

74. Yes

It may become a necessary option, and yes the wife and I both have our passports and if necessary will liquidate every damn thing we own and bail if we have to. Some of us are a bit more uneasy about the direction this country is heading.

[landdaddy]

11. Venezuela

seems to have a pretty good democracy going.
:hippie:

[Big Kahuna]

16. Nah, they're getting invaded soon.

:(

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/international/9894458.htm?1c

[Skittles]

13. I won't flee; I will stay and fight

I will not allow neocon bastards to run me out of my own country.

[kerryin2004]

37. They wont run you out..

They're just going to supress you so much that you will be miserable.. There will be no fighting to it..

[The Straight Story]

14. Not moving anywhere

But I understand the reasons some would want to - ie, they fear everything from war to terrible economy to loss of rights. Fear is what they use with terrorism. Fear is used to control. And fear is what is pushing people to vote for him and against him.

The right fears the left, that they will take away rights and create one giant government. The left fears the same of the right. I am tired of being afraid.

Stay, get involved, and do what early christians did - convert people one at a time to your views.

We are only defeated when we have left and have let them win. So what if bush wins? We focus on 2008, focus on slowing down and stopping any legislation he tries to ram through, we focus more on getting the messages out we think will help all people. We work.

Each person that moves away is a vote lost. If you think the worst will come, then prepare for it. In the last 4 years I have gotten a better job, a house, a child. Things have went well and the world did not end. Bush comes, he goes. If he were to win, then we can start work now on 2008 and the promise of a better future.

Bush may worry me, but there are others in the world in the background I see as more worrisome. He is a puppet, and I think he knows it too.

Kerry is the best choice - he called clinton on his mistakes, and bush on his. I hope dearly that he gets in. But I won't move if he dosen't win, I would hope he would continue to hammer away and work with the people to stop bush. And I want to be here working with him.

[Big Kahuna]

19. Sorry to be a dick...

but didn't the early Christians also wind up getting fed to the lions?

[The Straight Story]

24. Yes

But their cause won out. They saw it as something bigger then themselves. In the end, they had an immense influence in all of history.

[amazona]

23. their vote is not lost

Expat Americans can still vote...and they still have to pay taxes to the United States.

That said, there are many reasons why fleeing is a bad idea. If we turn into the "new" Nazi Germany, it is worth looking at what happened to expat Germans during the World War II era. They did not have an easy time of it. A famous example would be Helmut Sick, who studied the birds of Brazil. He was placed in a concentration camp for the duration of the war and was reduced to studying lice. (He made lemons from lemonade and discovered some new species of body lice.) I think German expats in some African nations also had a hard time keeping free, even if they were opposed to Nazi policies.

If Americans are made a target of hate because of *'s imperial policies, we might actually be safer at home than abroad.

On edit: couldn't spell Helmut, sorry guys!

[The Straight Story]

25. Thanks for the insight

and correction to my post.

[Habibi]

53. Excellent post and argument

we must stay. The rest of the world is depending on us. Stay. Fight.

[amazona]

18. the soft dollar makes it impossible to flee

I think a lot of folks who are planning to relocate are going to be shocked at how the soft dollar restricts their choices. Places where the dollar is still OK, such as Mexico, don't need workers, and places where you might be able to get a job, such as Europe, well, let's just say your previous savings in dollar or the equity in your house in dollars is going to be worth nothing against the euro or the pound. I'm really angry about how little the dollar is worth these days.

[kerryin2004]

40. Oh Canada!1

The dollar is still strong enough to go there.. I believe Ireland is as well as long as you don't go to Northern Ireland where they are still under British control..

[dave502d]

21. What country our they going go to win the fight starts/

[maveric]

22. Cowards flee. Patriots stay and fight to take back our country.

And right now this nation needs TRUE Patriots. I'll die if I must but I refuse to run and hide.

[meow mix]

33. exactly, wording like that is why this is freep-bait thread

"flee" says it all.

[G_j]

60. NO calling someone a 'coward' says it all

gee, where did I hear that before? Could it be from the freeper types who shouted at us as we stood on streets corners protesting for the last few years?

I have no respect for anyone who uses that word to address people.

[maveric]

69. But we werent cowards. Just expressing our displeasure over an

illegal war. Running away to hide is cowardly.
Sorry.

[G_j]

86. those are your words

you have have no idea of someone's circumstances, they may have young or draft age children, they may be elderly. And just what are you going to fight? If Americans want Bush, are you going to fight them? There is so much that you don't know. And I'm sorry too, I've been called a coward and a traitor more times than I can count and anyone who uses those terms can Cheney themselve's as far as I'm concerned.

[catbert836]

65. No, it isn't. This was a joke. n/t

[Codeblue]

35. Well then

I've never considered myself a patriot. I've never enjoyed living in America or believed in the American system.

I'm only 19. I can say that I'd really like to live in a country where I don't have to fight, where I can just live my life and not worry about tyranical maniacs taking over my country.

Ah your words are so harsh. Cowards? Was Einstein a coward? I hardly think so. He wantd to flee Germany and live in a country where he and his family had a chance at life.

[maveric]

41. Then why are you here on this board to complain about the state

of our govt? You must care a little bit to be here.
This used to be a great country. The religous RW/Military Industrial Complex has stolen if from "The People". Us, me and you. Its worth fighting for AFAIC.

[kerryin2004]

43. Who are you going to fight Mel Gibson??

All they are going to do is make laws that are extremely repressive.. There wil be no fighting..Plus, I guarantee you another 4 years of shrub will cause the economy to collapse, they will bankrupt us so that they can get rid of all the new deal acts..These guys are not running up the deficit for the fun of it. They're doing it to get rid of social security, medicare, and rid as many regulations as possible on corporations..

[maveric]

49. Resistance, Resistance, Resistance!

If bu$h gets 4 more years the constitution will be further shredded to benefit the rich and powerful. It may be a losing cause on our part but I dont plan on making it easy for them.
And what makes you so sure that there will be no fighting?

[Forkboy]

62. What a tough guy

:crazy:

[try_democracy]

80. Fight for your rights in the Digital Age

I'm employed at a virtual workplace, and collaborate with employees in California, Colorado, Washington, Illinois, Scotland, Germany, Japan, Malaysia, and China. The networking technology that allows this collaboration for work is banned to employees for discussing working conditions and organizing for collective bargaining. Does this seem right to you? Sure didn't to me, so I filed a complaint with the National Labor Relations Board.

Please see more info at http://www.agilepeople.org

Regards,
John Rose

[skygazer]

26. Ain't running anywhere

This is MY country and I'll be damned if anyone is going to run me out of it. My ancestors fought their King George for this country and if I have to, I'll do the same. No way I'm going anywhere -

Bring 'em on! :headbang:

[Bjornsdotter]

27. Sweden also!

Hej,

What part of Sweden will you go to?

We'll go to southern Sweden, I have family in the Malmo area.

Cheers,
Kim :toast:

[catbert836]

84. I was thinking Stockholm

but I'll probably get a better idea.

[against all enemies]

29. Is there a warm Canada?

[kerryin2004]

36. How cold could it get?? n/t

[Lefty48197]

30. Oh Canada,

.

[meow mix]

31. somewhere out in freepland they have got to be lovin this thread

they love this exact sort of stuff way too much,
has to be bait?
am i the only one thinking this?

[maveric]

45. Well then, to any freeper baiter out there: I aint leaving and you'll

have get through me and many other REAL American Patriots to let these domestic terrorists hijack OUR country!
I AINT FUCKING LEAVING!

[catbert836]

67. God! Stpo taking this thread seriously, PLEASE!!!

[Dem_Loyalist]

97. Was sort of thinking the same thing here

What I have to wonder though is where the cons will flee to when WE win? I mean they can't possibly be able to live with a John Kerry Presidency can they? Moneys always tight for me and my kids but I'd kick in a few dollars to help a freeper on their way.

[SammyWinstonJack]

116. I'm not biting

:-)

[oddtext]

32. South Carolina

it's so right wing, the bushies will never notice me there. i'll be safe.

[Technowitch]

34. Canada

We're thinking Victoria Island.

[yvr girl]

107. You'll have more luck finding

the city of Victoria, which is located on VANCOUVER Island.

[Dees]

38. I'm staying. Monkey brain is not going to run me out.

I'll die in the streets before I submit to the neo corporate bastards.

It's exactly what Repuglicans do best. It gets tough and they won't stand and fight. They run and hide.

[underseasurveyor]

39. My husband and I won't be going anywhere but our draft age sons

will. They won't be cannon fodder for Furious george's illegal wars. One will go live with a grand parent in Japan and the other maybe to Holland or more likely to Switzerland to live with a niece and her husband there.

[Zhade]

42. I'm probably leaving even if Kerry wins.

He's not a miracle worker, and this country is still imperialistic in nature, no matter how many crumbs Kerry might be able to throw our way.

As far as all the "don't let the door hit you on the way out" comments, kindly fuck off. You can stay in this insane country - I'd rather live where people can recognize the truth about the world.

[PyschoSteve85]

47. Mexico?

If the draft does happen me and my friends are going to cancun until the war ends.

[amazona]

54. Cancun?

I won't flee but I will vacation and perhaps you will be in need of visitors, tee hee.

[Forkboy]

48. Bada Boom!

:thumbsup:

[sweetheart]

55. I sympathize

As i left 7 years ago, it was clinton's demise i observed, and the
rise to power of the nazi puke, while clinton fiddled, rome fell.

There came a point, where i was willing to let go of everything.

It is harder than you can imagine if you have not emigrated from your
home country... as I can log in to DU and reminisce, but the reality
is i've decided to put 1000's of miles between myself and these
criminals. I've friends and family who believe that staying is
working for them, and others who are still asking themselves that
question: "Are you willing to leave everything behind?"

When you walk out on a bad marriage, there is a point, where the
bravery goes beyond the abuse and deadening pain; that willingness
to put bad news behind, and step to a new world.... like all those
true americans that founded the country once-upon-a-time... and it
has given me nothing but respect for those emigrants who made america
great. Sadly, the natives have a much lower score... and methinks
it is due to the repressive culture of abuse inside CONUS.

For anyone who escapes the voluntary prison, god bless you. For all
those who stay imprisoned, god bless you. The new warden will surely
make the food better, and cut back on the rapes.

What is truth anyway. We're all going to die, and whatever we do in
life will be forgotten. Then indeed, truth is subjective and
personal, to be truly at home and at rest on this earth, something
that is wholly banned in america unless you can afford it.

[manic expression]

96. Wrong...

We're all going to die. This is true, but what we do in this life reflects upon ourselves long after we leave our present bodies. Whatever we do in life will be forgotten by humans, but not by the fabric of this universe. We are eternal, and so is duty and truth.

[sweetheart]

105. Dharma theory

In an overwhelmingly secular forum, i was gonna leave the dharma
stone unturned, but as you've turned it....

There is no "eternal" "duty"... there is only "right now". We all
fight for what we see as right in life, and some come to embody the
very essence of spiritual humanity, that they have some power
embolded by the "fabric of this universe". However, i say that
such awakening comes from meditation, not actions in the world...
or rather such actions are guided by total awakening, and not by
programmable protesting instincts.

The question, IMO, is what "NOW". If you envision the total ending
of suffering for all of humankind, and you live that way with every
being you meet, accepting all as loved and equal, then you will have
achieved your "truth" global test. Some truth is for the many, and
some is for the few. Only the actor knows. If it is right to save
the many, then the person's life will be ecstatic and horrible
physically. If it is right to save the few, then similarly... and
only the actor him/her-self can confess whether they are moved to
spiritual communion by the truth of their actions.

Yet even "experiences" ultimately die, and we are all left at the
end, with so many noble acts, and so many ignoble... that life
washes them all away with death.

The truth is that we are one, a unity of consciousness, appearing
in many bodies confused on an overpopulated planet. Your inspiration
to seek and embody that unity is indeed noble, but itself is neither
higher or lower, and good and bad karma is simply karma at the end
of it all... none of it profoundly silent.

I'm glad you said "wrong". That is the truth, and as well, the
truth can never ever be put in to words. :-)

namaste,
-s

[catbert836]

83. Thank you!

[B Calm]

46. Staying right here for SPITE!

[ogradda]

50. i'm not going anywhere

this is MY COUNTRY and they can all fuck themselves if they think i'll just stand by and watch them ruin it.

[Ron Green]

51. Tralfamadore. n/t

[spatlese]

52. Australia!

Great weather, great beer, great beaches... what more is there??

(too bad John Coward won the election there though) :grr:

[Matilda]

99. You'd be welcome in Australia.

We could use your Labor vote.



John Hunt is a Coward.

[supercrash]

56. LOL...

Whats up with the 'stay and fight' people ?

Don't they mean 'stay and sit in jail' ? ...cause thats where you are going if you revolt against the government without half of the population behind you.

But if you are talking revolution with the masses, then I am with ya...I will pile those bodies up

[SudieJD]

57. If I Did Leave...

I'd go to Red Lake Canada. Been there, beautiful place. Even has a Medical School. Hubby and I used to camp near there to fish.

http://www.red-lake.com/html/welcome.html

Sudie in MN

[donheld]

58. On the other hand what country will want the Freepers

if * loses? :evilgrin:

[catbert836]

66. None. n/t

[Comicaze]

59. Hey!

Don't forget Poland!

Canada? Phooey. We all know Poland has the best beer and babes and bolsheviks.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

61. To my villa on the Amalfi Coast, or that little chateaux in Pays Bas.

....kiss-kiss, dahling!

[txprog]

63. Finland

I've read a little about this place. Very peaceful. High standard of living. Excellent education and healthcare. A high premium is placed on quality of life.

[greblc]

64. Please Stop...

this type of thread. It is such a cowardice notion to contemplate moving. This is our America, win or loose. Leave now if you plan on giving up if Bush wins.
A win by Kerry will bring attacks from the Right like we've never seen. Sorry, this is only the beginning of the battle. The Right will not just go away because they've lost the White House. We need to stay and fight.

Too many Liberal Americans have suffered and fought to bring us to where we are now. It's shameful to think of leaving at the thought of our candidate losing the election .

[sweetheart]

72. Shame and fear and whatever

I left, and i'm not a coward. It was not working for me. I simply
recognized the trends in america towards totalitarian media oligarchy,
and set my own life's course to not be there.

It does not mean that i am not voting for Kerry, or that i don't
believe in the good heart of america.

Some jews were killed in Germany, so that jewish people may live
there today... however, those who live there today, were probably
not there some years back, having strategically withdrawn to some
safer haven whilst nutters took over the government. Likewise, i
would recommend to any with the american-founder's spirit for
making a new life without the bad-king, to try elsewhere.

It is really a lovely world beyond the USA borders, and simply to
call someone who steps beyond the borders, "shameful" is absurd.
The damage is far gone, and it is doubtful whether america can
achieve the standards of a first world democratic republic in our
lifetimes. For those who like such things, perhaps better to simply
adopt one, and find a willing lover.

[greblc]

89. If everyone who had seen hard times...

in America packed up and left this would be the place you speak of.
There is a lot of good in our nation. I do think we are at a turning point. We are the one's who will determine which way it turns. If Liberals leave it's quite obvious which way it will go. So I think it is shameful to just hand our country to the Right.
Our Military is in harms way but I've yet to see any of my neighbors die or get hauled away by agents of our government. If it ever comes to that
the business of American Democracy will require more than words and votes
to defend it. At that point cowardice will not be an option for "Americans"

I hope your new country is comfortable and is "working for you".

[sweetheart]

95. Perhaps, but we are not all the same...

my reason for leaving, but i assure you that it was a most viscous
witch hunt on behalf of the american media, as intense in its time
towards my religious group, as some swift boat liars have been towards
Mr. Kerry. Involved in the smear were Dateline, newsweak, Current
Affair, Washington Post, Long Island daily news, san francisco
chronicle. When a smear attacks your religious group, on such
a national level, and a concerted group is out handing out lists
of "group members" to all potential employers and customers, it is
time to accept that the culture itself has gone evil, and that
life's omen is to leave.

I "had" to leave to find work after their deliberate smear.... and
i've just not returned, as a prime-time smear lasts for life, even
when retrated on the back page in small print.

Yes, it is working for me, i've racked up 10 times the number of posts you've been able to in my time on DU and have done my damndest
to give my best writing skills to Mr. Kerry and the democratic
party.

I detect some cynicism in your last sentence, and can only say that
had YOU experienced the religious persecution I have for 20 years in
america, that you would be happy to leave yourself. I've got
better things to do, a family to care for and little trees waiting
outside for me to dig them proper plantings that spring sees a forest.

"Our" military, has sucked my taxes for my whole life, and has done
nothing but fuck up wherever it goes. I am for putting the top brass
on trial for institutional incompetence, and apologizing to those
put in the line of fire. Otherwise, what is there to respect in
organized crime that destroys even its own citizens?

My hero, in the regard of what you speak, is Karl Marx. He was
banned from germany and the continent (like the USA these days), and
he penned his work in london that helped bring about more change
than ever could have happened had he remained in Berlin. I see
a generation of exile americans similarly helping to build the
bridge on which a new republic can emerge as this one collapses
mired in criminal wars and destabilizing debt.

[greblc]

109. I am sorry that you had difficulties in...

the United States. I agree we are not all the same. We've all had different experiences that shape our political Ideals. I don't agree that exile will bring about anything but snickers from the right. Nothing would make them happier than to see their opposition run away. They are bullies and will continue their
ways unless we push back. There are 'still" liberal communities within the United States. Rather than leave the United States I suggest moving to Portland, Seattle,Madison. I live in South West Minneapolis and it's a very liberal community. I like it here and will not let myself feel or be threatened by Neo-Cons.

Running from problems has never changed things for me. Communities and Government must be maintained. We are in this mess because collectively we Americans have ignored our elections.

What's absurd is to expect that things will change because we want them too. The Right has worked hard to get control of our Country. We have to work harder to get it back. There is work to do here in America.

[Freddie Stubbs]

115. Very good point

Clinton won in 1992, but look what happened just two years later.

[Ilsa]

68. Can't go, don't really want to.

But I'd consider Toronto if my husband could transfer.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

70. I'll probably stay and fight but if things get really bad- the Netherlands

I have a lot of relatives there.

[catbert836]

71. People, stop taking this thread seriously.

It was meant to be a joke! That's all it was! Seriously! I'm not going anywhere, just like the rest of you. Calm down, please. I'm not a freeper. I hate and despise those jerks just like any of the rest of you.
Shows what happens when a thread lives for too long...

[Bridget Burke]

76. Non-serious threads belong in the Lounge.

I'm glad you're not a Freeper, but wouldn't be surprised if some of the posters here are.

If somebody's got the money and/or extremely valuable skills to live elsewhere--fine. But all the whining is quite boring.

[Unforgiven]

78. Joke?

This subject is no joke and a number of people here DO take this subject VERY seriously, myself included. And as someone posted earlier: Stay and fight? Not with a handfull of people, no sir!
go to jail and rot?, no sir! Not for a country full of idiots who are led around like a show dog on a leash.
Die in the street with a majority of the population to save the country? yes I would, but it won't happen, because nobody but the people here on this board care. If people truly cared or were bright enough to take action this site would be unusable for the internet traffic.

[catbert836]

82. Sorry

Shows me to post on this board!

[porphyrian]

75. I'm not leaving.

No way am I letting those evil fuckers have my country. They will go before I do.

[Boomer]

77. Staying, but reluctantly

I went so far as to request a Canadian immigration packet last year, when I found out I had more than enough points to emigrate. And Spain has great appeal as well.

As for the charges of cowardice, that kind of nationalist chest beating doesn't impress me. Most of America is made up of immigrants who decided they'd rather live somewhere other than the country in which they were born, my own mother included. I fail to see the dishonor in making the same choice she did.

The rising tide of religious fundamentalism in the US creeps me out, as does the pervasive consumer greed. I'd like to live in a country that allows me to marry, and that is more offended by scenes of violence than the occasional bared breast.

Ultimately, though, I decided I'm too old to pull up stakes and start all over again. I'll mark out my time here, and do my best to continue supporting my own set of values, but I do so feeling more and more like a round peg in a square hole. And I think the situation will get a lot worse before it gets better.

[Selatius]

79. I'm staying here.

I'm not running. I'll be damned if I run today only to see that others are made to suffer and endure because I wasn't there. This can't go on much longer.

[catbert836]

88. My Final Word

I'll stay, but only until I can help out my freinds, family and anyone else who won't have a place in the brave new USA. I'll do this as many times as possible for leaving for Sweden or Spain or whatever other country I might go to.
Remember, just because we want to leave dosn't make us cowards. This country is made up of immigrants or their desendants who decided life wasn't good where they were at, and decided to leave for a better life. I see no shame in doing the same thing. This country is moralistically and politically bankrupt, and if something dosn't change extremely soon, I'll have made up my mind.

[greblc]

91. Don't let the door hit you in the ass...

[genius]

81. Is there a good country that's warm?

[Coventina]

85. Moosylvania!!

:-)

[lumberingbear]

90. I'm not planning on Kerry losing....

but if schrub steals the election again, I'll stay and watch the end of the Repug party. (After another 4 years of schrub, no repug will ever get elected again!!!)

[Lydia Leftcoast]

93. It's unlikely that I could actually leave, but I understand thoroughly

I'm quite alienated from mainstream culture in this country, the whole suburban shopping mall-trophy house-professional sports-SUV-reality TV-militarism masquerading as patriotism-being an intellectual is bad-the arts are for wusses-God loves America above all other countries mentality.

Some people move from one region of the country to another because it suits them better. Moving to a different country because it suits you better is only an extended version of that.

I don't feel that this country is uniquely good or perfect, and in my lifetime, it has deteriorated in so many ways.

People should do what they need to do and not condemn others for their choices.

[alittlelark]

98. We set up an office of our Hi-Tech co.

in Canada 2 years ago, We also have one in an ex soviet country. I would prefer Spain, but we set up satellites where we could.

[vetwife]

102. He won't win..He may not leave..He may steal..he won't win !

No way ! We may have to MAKE HIM LEAVE and HE MAY STEAL IT but he won't win just like before..He stole it !

[alittlelark]

103. We will not leave unless the writing is on the wall

but I have faith in Dues, and Dem's and people of conscious all over the country to prevent me from having to leave my home (family fought in Rev. War).

The circumstances necessary for our flight are reminiscent of Nazi Germany - in the mid-years.

[Endangered Specie]

100. Holland.

[qs04]

108. I'm stuck here

Unfortunately as an unskilled worker with no college degree I don't meet the immigration requirements for any nation I've looked at (New Zealand, the EU, and others).

[renegade000]

110. iceland

or sweden

[T Town Jake]

111. The Baltics. Lithuania, Latvia, or Estonia... (n/t)

[kayleybeth]

113. I'm not fleeing to anywhere

I intend to stay and fight. This is MY country too, damnit!