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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 08:56 PM
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Instead of leaving the country if * wins, why not go on strike?
This would only be useful in he case of a hanky-panky-less election (I'm doubting the vote counters will be on the up-and-up.)

How about this: Buy no products that have donated to the GOP, maybe take a week off from work....possibly a general spending strike?

Suggestions?
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 08:56 PM
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1. How would you get that organized????
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 08:59 PM
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2. Enough people doing it spontaneously would
allow for the facade of organization.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:47 PM
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60. Write "Who is John Galt?" around in public places.
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SotarrTheWizard Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:36 AM
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71. only one problem. . .
. . .Ayn Rand made **US** the enemy in "Atlas Shrugged", a horrible parody and twisting of Liberalism into some evil plan, AND made heros of idiots like Chimpy. . .
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 07:38 PM
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82. Ayn "Fucking" Rand? No thanks.
I cannot in good conscience reference Randian (i.e. fascist disguised as libertarian) philosphy as a protest against a neoconservative government. Hell, Leo Strauss's words would mean just as much to them.

What I'd like to see here (a collectivist action) is the exact opposite of whatever selfist dystopia Randism would summon.


Now, that I think about it, maybe posting Leo Strauss's own words on flyers everywhere might actually be cool. Let everyone know where the administration gets their neofascist ideas.
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cosmicvortex20 Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #60
84. Loved Atlas Shrugged...
Regardless of what you hear, its a great read. Heres a sample.

http://www.atlasshrugged.tv/speech.htm
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GodHelpUsAll2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:00 PM
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3. I have thought this very same thing
Edited on Tue Oct-12-04 09:01 PM by GodHelpUsAll2
I am perfectly willing. Question is, is everyone else? General strike, no purchases. And... I will keep my child home from school as well. No butt in the school seat, no state funding.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:05 PM
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4. Strike from what?
A lot of us are unemployed already.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:14 PM
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8. I'll send you a bus ticket to Washington....
And you can protest for me while I cook food for the strikers in Chicago.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:46 AM
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76. Thank you! I appreciate your offer
but I live outside DC, a $3.25 Metro ride from downtown. Believe me, I'll be there protesting if it comes to that.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:49 PM
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35. don't spend money
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kokomo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:02 PM
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44. A tax strike. The Boston Tea Party started our first revolution.
This government could not survive a tax strike and they don't have enough prisons for us all.
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SudieJD Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:21 PM
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51. Exactly!
I'm unemployed and haven't got the money to Not Buy as it is. Guess I'm already on strike.

Sudie in MN
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:06 PM
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5. Minimalism to the maximum.
Get out of the stock market. Turn off your TV. Find a shoe repair shop. Learn to sew/alter clothes. Trade with other minimalists. Bike don't drive. Find a food co/op. Plan a garden, then plant it. Form book reading clubs. Join groups.

Basically just say that we ain't playing the game any more. They'll fold inside of a year.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:12 PM
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7. Yeah, imagine that....
Hard to get this organized in 20 days, but hey...

If you work for a small business (NOT a "small business"), keep working, Support local merchants. If you work for the state or for a large corporation, take a week off. No shopping at large chains. Grow your own rooftop garden.....

If you're unemployed, let's all meet in Washington and sit on the lawn in front of the White House....there's got to be some way to let the powers that be realize that 52% of the population is not just a "focus group."

Shit.....I don't know. I feel so powerless.
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GodHelpUsAll2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:29 PM
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23. what if
that small business you work for supports Bush? That is my delima? I am having a hard enough time there as it is. A strike/walk out really wouldn't hurt my feelings.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:34 PM
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25. Take a sick day! Make it two!
Any other Dems at your workplace? Take shifts! You take thursday off, have the other guy/gal take wednesday off, etc......
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GodHelpUsAll2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:36 PM
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26. No other
Just me. It's brutal
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:40 PM
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28. Well, hunker down, then.
Making a contribution to the Kerry campaign is enough for those of us who can't afford to make a statement. So what you can, silently.....
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GodHelpUsAll2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:55 PM
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39. Oh Hell no
I am not and will not be silent. Period....End of story..... It is no secret at all to ANYONE just where it is I stand. Now I will admit, it's not the most plesant enviroment at times (there have been some mega conflicts) but I refuse to be silent in fear. I am not going to fear for my job, or worry about what if's. If I get fired because of my political beliefs then so be it. I am a survivor. I will survive just fine. Apparently I do a pretty good job, I'm still employed. And by the very people who think of democrats as irresponsible idiots. Go figure.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #39
45. Right on then! Make a noise!
The backlash has already begun. We are at the place right now that the right was at in 1976....think of the gains they made in those years, simply by networking. And every bit helps.......
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GodHelpUsAll2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:06 PM
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47.  I will just keep plugging
I have already taken time off to got out of state and canvass and to be a delegate at my state convention. It will continue.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:17 PM
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10. I refuse to join the spending spree...what money do I have anyway?
Buy used clothing (if at all)
Used furniture (if at all)
No vacations
Same old car...repair when it breaks

When will these ignoramuses realize that we have to MAKE money to SPEND money and THAT is what runs uphill.

Dump the Dumbbunny
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:37 PM
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27. Yeah, exactly....
I'm in the same boat. Maybe us po' folk can accomodate the others taking time off from their labor.....give 'em a place to stay. I'll organize a cooking team for all of them. I'll even order food from my restaurant and send it out to people all over the country......Shit, why not?
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libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:41 AM
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72. That is an excellent idea. I will participate if the worst happens and
he "wins" the election. We spend way more than we need to in this country.
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:12 PM
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6. I'm an academic
They WANT me to stop working. Then again, I'm leaving even if Kerry wins... Too many Bush supporters here regardless. I don't want them stinking up my air.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:16 PM
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9. Well, the massive exodus combined with the strike
will be sure to make a psychic impact on the White House. It's all part of the same thrust.
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HEIL PRESIDENT GOD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:21 PM
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16. The impact's more important overseas
If 100,000 Americans jump ship, that sends a message that we are NOT all on his side... Might help save us from some terrorist attacks!
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Eye and Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:18 PM
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11. Sick-outs. Lotsa "blue-flu".
If a critical mass is reached, it could become general.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:23 PM
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18. That's what I'm talking about.
You get enough people "spontaneously" not coming to work on November 3rd, and it could prove important financially. Not to mention that the stock market itself may not exactly soar on that day......
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:18 PM
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12. You mean quit my job? That's what a "strike" is for non-union workers.
Since I'm not a Repub, I'm not THAT stupid! I wouldn't be any help with the next election, now would I?
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:20 PM
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14. I'm not union either.
I'm a pastry chef at an independently owned restaurant.

But the idea of a "sick-out" or a slow down wouldn't be out of the question, would it?
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:13 AM
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68. Yes, it would. I have a responsibility to do my job. My employer is
not responsible for the election.

If I have a sick-out or such, it would be meaningless unless I let someone know what I was doing, and if I do that, I'm fired.

Bad for me. Bad for my employer. Bad for the economy, which is bad for everyone. And what would it accomplish? My employer doesn't have the power to roll back the election, even if it wanted to. Union workers strike for direct benefits,not just to protest.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:55 AM
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77. Then do something else
Don't buy fast food or corporate products. Put in an anarchy garden. Buy items you need only at yard sales. Get off the corporate teet, that's the main thing.
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dave502d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:19 PM
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13. The last 4 years have seem like a 100 year
Don't know if I can take 100 more years.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 12:20 PM
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80. I know I can't
:-(
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:21 PM
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15. What if it's a hanky-pank-full election?
Are we just gonna sit back and let the pukes decide the outcome?

Or will we take it to the streets?

As for me... I've been on strike for some time now. Join me. Be free.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:25 PM
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19. I'm counting on hanky panky.
I find it unlikely that BBV WON'T be a factor. If we could all take a holiday the week of Nov. 2....who knows what effect that would have?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:42 PM
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29. A week to remember
That first week of November is gonna to be one to remember, eh?

We've all got to plan for what we will do. It'll be like planning for a coming hurricane.

Being as that I live in a small town and having been on strike all these years, about all can foresee doing is making sure the visitors to my town's offices are quite aware of my displeasure at the vote being screwed up again.

Who knows, maybe it will inspire some of the muckety-mucks to at least make some phone calls to even higher up muckety-mucks?

Lord knows, had I still been in Florida in 2000, I'd a been raising hell then. As it was, I sat here and stewed. Not this time, this time I will do something..

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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:54 PM
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37. Me too....
I can barely talk to my own wife about politics. She just says "I'm still stuck on the 2000 election!" She can't get over it.


If there's anybody in Chicago who wants to take a day or a week off, come to the Hopleaf restaurant and I'll buy you a meal every day that you're off work. Shit, what's a few bucks for a sacrifice like this?
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:00 PM
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43. Hard to pass up a free lunch
But it would cost me an arm and a leg to get to Chicago. <grin>

I hope you get some takers and if you do, get them to march down to the local TV station and let those good people know your pissed. If there was a TV station near to me, they'd get a shot of my ugly mug protesting the stolen election.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:05 PM
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46. Chicago's gonna be piiiiissssed if * wins.
I'm confident that there will be spontaneous public protests. If I can convince a few to commit to a walk-out or a sick out.....hmmmm.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:21 PM
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17. because
Be real. I haven't made any money in four years now and it obviously didn't make a difference. Not buying anything for another four years isn't going to bother anyone.

Poor/lower middle class people don't have enough resources left for our "strike" to have any effect. They want us to hurry up and die, they don't care about our non-existent money.

Take a week off work! Lots of us have involuntarily taken years off work...doesn't matter. They want it that way.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:28 PM
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22. I AM working-class!
I make less than 10 bucks an hour. Sure, it sounds crazy. But you get enough people to do it, and it'll make a dent, however small.

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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:25 PM
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20. strike to suffer
Really, if you are prepared to do that, then you are prepared to be
homeless and to walk the country without fear, and god help you.

If you're really pissed off, and bent on suicide, or you're dying
from AIDs and could use a noble death, self-immolation of the steps
of capital hill would be very effective direct action... i figure
the option's still open if i'm feeling the suicide-bomber impulse..
just a can of gasoline and poof, the ultimate protest. 7 buddhist
monks immolated had a powerful impact on removing the USA from
viet nam.

Your suggestion to boycott will only permanently assign you to the
underclass, and the disenfranchised, like living in a homeless
community of cardboard houses built on public land.... easy victems
for a bulldozer and a warrant.

If you must stay, then i suggest the opposite. Dye your hair blonde,
and learn to say vacuous republican things. Pretend to be a pro=bush
lover with some well placed "props" like any good hollywood actor.
Become one of them, and blend. In the long run, if you must stay,
your influence and power with the establishment will be greater under
the repuke dictatorship, if you appear to be a puke.

Learn to lie better than they do. Foam at the mouth "better".. sorta
like Arlo Guthrie's "Kill kill kill" rant in "alices restaurant".

There will be witch hunts and burnings... but if you think you can
disguise your loved ones to survive, then god is with you. Otherwise,
there is that real potential that putting your whole life force
behind an alternate government than the criminal-USA, is a greater
act of patriotism for human rights, america's founders, non-white
races, feminists, the world's poor, civil society... and infinite
minorities that the bush pukes roll over with war and israeli
bulldozers.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #20
24. Woah...d'you forget your Prozac?!
Cheer up, guy. I'm not suggesting we all go poor. But enough like-minded people taking a day off wouldn't be too much to ask, I don't think. I'm working-class, too...I'm a cook. Hell, I'll cook for everybody that day!
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GodHelpUsAll2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:42 PM
Response to Reply #24
30. There in lies the problem
in this country. No willingness to sacrafice. My grandparents and great grand parents were dirt poor cotton farmers. My great grandpa use to tell me the stories of entire years that went by where he didn't see one dollar. They survived just fine. They fed and clothed their kids (all 9 of them) and kept a roof over their heads. I am quite certain people in the year 2004 can manage to "survive" without the mall, cable TV and super sized combo meals.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:48 PM
Response to Reply #30
34. True, we're all addicted to comfort.
Because, for one, we have little to compare it to. Few of us know what it's like to live in Bangladesh, much less Cabrini Green. But enough of us denying our own "purchasing power" and the corporations who fix these damn elections will have to take notice.

My own family never earned more than 30,000 a year combined. I have relatives who lived through the depression. We can do it again. Underneath the American drive to acquire wealth at all costs, there is a stream of altruism that simply cannot be jettisonned. Come another depression, I know I'd do my part to be my brother's keeper.
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GodHelpUsAll2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:34 PM
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56. Addicted to comfort
My opinion, America has not only become addicted to comfort, it has becom incredibly lazy and aquired this sense of entitlement. Thus the 50+ percent of the population that can't be botherd to get out and vote. No one wants to really WORK for anything anymore. Look at all the pople that get ALL of their information from the media. Can't be bothered to take an hour and go out and find their own facts. I have been just as guilty of being complacent thinking that things will work themselves out. Well after 2000, I, along with countless others got a heavy dose of reality. I realized that if I didn't get off my ass and get busy it would become quite difficult for me to to sleep at night let alone look my kids in the eye and tell them I will protect them. We (meaning those of us determined to change the deadly path Bush has put us on) have got to stop being intimidated by the fear that is shoved down our throats (wether it's terrorists or loosing our jobs) and realize that we can and will survive this and do what ever it takes to get the job done. My grandma was right. If you want something done, get off your butt and do it yourself cause no one will do it for you!
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69KV Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #30
78. No willingness to sacrifice
You hit the nail on the head.

Two centures ago, a small band of ruffians and radical revolutionists launched a revolt, kicked out Mother England and started a new country. A century ago, workers who had nothing except the clothes on their backs braved beatings, firings, and even murderous Pinkerton thugs to win the right to collective bargaining, decent wages, decent working hours, and decent working conditions. 3/4 of a century ago, destitute, unemployed people pulled together under the New Deal to bring this country out of its worst depression ever. 30 years ago, kids took a stand against the draft at great personal cost, sometimes having to leave the country.

Can we do any less today to bring down that disaster that is occupying the White House? Or are the mall, cell phone, Playstation 2, McDonalds happy meals and the three SUVs in the garage too important to lose?
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:55 PM
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38. sacrifice
I can't help but notice that to disagree totally with USA capitalism
is to not be employed on the tax-register. Otherwise, no matter the
rhetoric, you're paying for the War, and approve by your annual
paycheque.

I can't help but notice that to object totally, means pulling your
support out of the war(s). Then it is to be poor and disenfranchised. I've lived in my car before, so its not like i'm
not out of touch with this... but i'm sick of american-poverty, the
infinite cycle of republican abuse.

I'd be extremely honoured to one day eat your cooking. Clearly you
are someone who can survive the sacking of rome by simply cooking for
a different caesar or pilate.

I'm glad there are adaptive accepting, optimistic folks out there
who really believe that after 100+ years to the opposite that america
can be not a criminal plutocracy.

Read: "the iron heel" by jack london... it clearly outlines the
struggles of today, 100 years ago in america. Nothing is changing.
If you want it changed, leaving is the best option.

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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:26 PM
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21. I left the country and went on strike in 2000 after Bu$h was selected.
I tried to get people to strike then. People just smiled and looked at me like I was a lunatic.

Maybe this time it will be different.

Great idea, I'm with you all the way.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:43 PM
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31. Thank you!
You know, I don't mind if people look at me like I've got lobsters crawling out of my ears. I'm used to it, in fact. But you start with small ideas. Making a difference doesn't have to mean self-immolation on the steps of the capitol.

And if you make a statement, try to make it as benign as possible.

I'm gonna launch this sucker to my buddies and see if it floats.
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Johnny 99 Donating Member (273 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:44 PM
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32. That would work
if so many people weren't unemployed, including myself. Not to mention all those that can't afford to go without a paycheck, thanks to the Bush Economy.

As far as no products, I guess that would work if people got prescriptions refilled before the week in question.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:56 PM
Response to Reply #32
40. Out of work? Write letters.
I'll send you money for stamps.

Or go to Washington. Sit on Lincoln's lap and refuse to move....something! I need some more suggestions.
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Spike from MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:47 AM
Response to Reply #40
74. Great suggestion!
Edited on Wed Oct-13-04 10:48 AM by Spike from MN
"Sit on Lincoln's lap and refuse to move." That really cracked me up! Oh man, now I'm thinking that I might just have to go to D.C. and do that if * steals this one.
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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:46 PM
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33. We're seriously considering a ...
Edited on Tue Oct-12-04 09:47 PM by nownow
'brain drain on the red states' sort of move, if Ohio goes for the Naked Emperor this year. Shit, there ain't enough brains in this state to feed a zombie convention anyway, if Ohio -- the shape it's in, and all the fault of Republicans -- goes for that asshole again. We've discussed leaving the state, since our odds of getting out of the country aren't good (I don't have a degree, so Canada would only take the better half). At least in a blue state, we'd know our local representatives would put up some kind of fight for us. Here in Ohio, they're sucking the hell out of our incomes to make up for what they're abating corporations that bail out after a couple of years, anyway. I'd rather live in Chicago.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:00 PM
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42. Hell yeah, come to Chitown! There's a lotta DUers here.
Maybe we could consider an Illinois secession movement (maybe not!)

Good idea: let the red states know that YOU are floating their economies. Enough consumers leaving would have an impact.
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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:22 PM
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52. People like us are really floating Ohio's economy.
We're middle-class homeowners with no children, so they really soak us. The Mr. is a programmer, though -- those jobs are few and far between. If the hammer comes down on the one he's got now, though, we've definitely discussed Chicago exactly because we know there are plenty of Dems there, and probably no fewer jobs than where we are.

We might also make our flight to New Mexico a few years earlier than we'd intended, since it sounds like NM may go blue this year. As long as we can find decent work in a blue state, we're seriously considering it.

I think brain drain is the reason states like Ohio and Indiana are going red, though -- large blocs of intelligent people have moved away for places that are more intellectually and socially stimulating.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:50 PM
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36. There won't be a mass exit out of the country. But you can bet the
streets will be filled and the strikes will began.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:10 PM
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49. Yup. But combined with a number of people leaving the country....
No matter how small, can't help but send a message.

* wins in 2004.....and I'm kinda uneasy about there even BEING a 2008 to talk about.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 09:59 PM
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41. we started having this conversation when they floated
the "we would have to postpone the election in the event of a terrorist attack" trial balloon.
several of us here suggested a general/consumer strike in the event of a canceled/stolen election. (if * is declared the winner, you know it is stolen. so wins/steals is no difference.)
i even made this button.

http://pinkobuttons.com/buttons.html?Tyranny+11

i think this is THE answer. it is uncrushable. people who want to go public, go to the streets, can. people who cannot miss work, can not shop. people who want to do things quietly, can.
unstoppable.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:07 PM
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48. That's it. That's the message.
They need our labor. But if they start getting all McKinley on our asses, our numbers will overcome their Pinkertons.


As long as it's peaceful and no one gets hurt, I think this is a great idea.
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Comadreja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:28 PM
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54. Civil Disobedience Done right
Check the "Activism" forum and get into the "Flyer" attack forces. This can be done even if nobody else in town has the spine to do anything...immensely satisfying.I make it a point to tape at least a dozen flyers every day to cars, apartment doors, or bicycle handlebars in this college town. Probably it is not totally legal, but who the fuck cares at this point? Go out at night and post them in forbidden spots (SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS!). At the library I tape flyers about the Patriot Act's attack on our library privacy. On off-campus apt. doors I tape "Draft Alert" flyers or "How Bush Supports the Troops" flyers. In mall parking lots I use flyers about the cost of Bush tax cuts or WMD Lies or....use whatever you like. Remember this is the same as "pamphleteering" the honored Patriot's non-violent resistance to King George's tyranny. Think Tom Paine. Keep it up. There is no end of downloads (spanish and English) that attack the status quo.

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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:15 PM
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50. A "What the hell?!" kick
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:25 PM
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53. Boycotting RW products yes; taking a week off from work, no...
...some of us have a family to feed. For those who can afford to, all the power to them. I can't.
But I don't think it's going to be necessary, anyway. We're going to win.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:41 PM
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59. "some of us have a family to feed"
you won't be putting food on your family for long, if this twit is allowed to usurp the throne for 4 more years.
but, you can still stop shopping. don't spend an extra penny. win win. save the country, save some money.
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T Town Jake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 11:08 PM
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62. Like I said, I will boycott to the extent I can...
...the products of RW companies, but I can't take a week off of work. It'd be one thing if it was just me, but my kids can't eat noble political intentions: their stomachs require solid food. Therefore, Daddy will have to go to work no matter who wins the 2004 presidential election.
I'm really not interested in getting into a flamefest about this. Besides which, I'm convinced Kerry is going to win. That makes any of these considerations superfluous.
Christ, cut me a break.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:32 PM
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55. If * wins, life itself will no longer have any meaning for me
Go to work? Fuck that!
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DuaneBidoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:35 PM
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57. I hardly shop WalMart anymore, only because they treat their
workers like shit, give 80% of the corporate money to the repugs, and their workers are on the dole to the tune of $1 billion annually because of poor wages and no benefits. I've started shopping Cosco, which is a progressive company, doesn't pay less than $11.00 to anyone, provides benefits, and give people full time jobs. The CEO also backs Kerry. I've already started looking at what companies support what...

My own revolution is starting...
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GodHelpUsAll2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:40 PM
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58. Same here
I even sent my resume to Costco. NO MORE SAMS or WAL MART!
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Comadreja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-12-04 10:52 PM
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61. Our gas is tainted with blood
We need to find out which oil companies are using ME products and avoid them. We should flyer them often (surreptitiously tape flyers on pumps out of the sight of the attendands). Then, we should buy whatever gas we need (after reducing consumption to bare minimum)from Venezuelan outlets( in support of Pres. Chavez).

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Keirsey Donating Member (508 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 06:58 AM
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63. self-deleted
Edited on Wed Oct-13-04 07:39 AM by Keirsey
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 07:13 AM
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64. Great idea! One problem, though ...
Edited on Wed Oct-13-04 07:22 AM by DemsUnite
Americans are timid and deathly afraid of empowering themselves. They'll come up with a million and one reasons why they can't fully commit themselves to a cause that requires ... *gasp*, sacrifice. They'll argue--and perhaps, rightfully so--to stick one's neck out, brings with it the possibility of getting your head cut off. They don't dare upset the cart, or they might lose the apples they already have. We are soft. We are weak. We are spoiled. Fear will win out, in the end.

Not to mention, far too many folks still believe in the ridiculous farce that is our electoral and governmental processes. Nevermind, their government has failed them time and time again ... it doesn't matter. To admit that something is seriously broken, could mean perhaps *everything* has broken down. They are so emotionally invested in the illusion, they are forced to ignore the obvious. The alternative is a complete system failure. Your average American does not want to see, because living in denial is far easier. Paralysed by fear, soothed by the idiot box.

No, Americans aren't ready for revolutionary acts. There's no money, or fame, in it ...
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 07:57 AM
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65. you are very correct for 95% of us
see post 53, and replies.
it will be difficult to get a critical mass. maybe not impossible, tho.
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Dangerman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 08:04 AM
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66. Good point
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Mrs_Beastman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 08:23 AM
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67. Just a suggestion
Gas stations don't really make much money off the gas, but the profit is in the point of sale items (i.e. cigs, drinks and snacks)

We should ban buying point of sale item from gas stations, it would start to hurt and drive a point home.
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 07:42 PM
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83. Now there's a good point!
Trouble is, lots of struggling Americans own those gas stations. Immigrant families just getting by and such. I'd hate to bankrupt the people who need the most help in the USA.

But if it could somehow hurt UnoCal or Bechtel in some way.....ah, the dreams dreamers dream.....
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RollergirlVT Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:17 AM
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69. If we could...
organize a mass stock market pull out we could literally cripple the economy. If everyone that had any holdings in the US market put their funds into foriegn markets instead, we could show just how much the rest of the country depends on our contribution. Never again could anyone attempt to govern this nation on a one-sided platform.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:26 AM
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70. A strike should have a goal
What is the goal of your strike? To get Bush to resign?

This is why I'm such a bad Leftie. I've never once done anything to "just send a message." I do things to accomplish goals. (I would have fit in well in Chicago of the 60s).

What are you seeking to accomplish here?
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 07:33 PM
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81. Not to resign, but to show how a "focus group" can make a financial impact
A shift in buying habits in a significant segment of the population can send waves throughout the entire market.

What am I seeking to accomplish? Peace of mind.
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CityZen-X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:46 AM
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73. Why not.......
stop paying your so called taxes! If 20-million of us would file Zero returns in response to another election theft, there is no way the IRS could handle it !
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69KV Donating Member (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:38 AM
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75. general strikes
They used to be used a lot during the early days of the labor movement, 1910s, 1920s, 1930s. Very effective too and they got widespread support. Usually the idea was a one-day strike, not a long one for a contract but a one-day strike to make a point, to show how the economy would shut down if not for the common workers. They're still done in some countries.

I'm all for the idea. Half of this country hates Bush and we can pull something like this off if the Shrub is re-selected. Skip work or call in sick, skip school, buy nothing, take to the streets for a day.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 12:14 PM
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79. The most lasting protest
if bushie wins is to change your lifestyle wherever we can: simplify and buy locally if possible when needed, buy used, encourage local energy independence - end dependence on fossil fuels and help the oil cartel go broke, continue to buy Heinz products - patronize companies the supported Kerry, etc. A week will not do it - the big boys and girls who support bushie are not going to feel it until it affects the stock market. We have already seen drops in purchasing in this last year because most of us are broke, scared or sending every cent we have left over to support the Dems. That is the way to stop them - let them see that their idea of good economy should have included an economic plan to allow workers to buy the products they provide.
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