Freepers excited about possible October Surprise tomarrow.

[sysoprock]

Apparently something is going down tomarrow, anyone care to speculate on what they might be up to?

http://www2.swiftvets.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=12783

[burrowowl]

1. Do they think it is Friday the 13th

and that Bu$h saying Kerry is naive is a big thingie in the NYSun?

[Lost Creek]

60. They are going to release a photo that -

They have a photo that makes it look like Kerry is pissing on the flag.

[smirkymonkey]

63. Ramadan starts.

Not that Freepers would know this.

[gardenista]

2. My God, they're like a bunch of adolescent girls!

~oooh, I can't WAIT til tomoorow~~~~

~~Oh, now you got me all excited, Chief, I just won't sleep a wink~~~

titter titter little twits!

[jdj]

10. Her's my doggie, and here's my mommy

and...

[Katherine2]

3. Ooooh, the New York Sun

I saw the freepers hyperventilating a little while ago. I'm sure it will be something shocking if it's on page 1 of the New York Sun. And the swift boat guy didn't say much, did he? It's probably a report on the next swift boat vets commercial. (What's the New York Sun, anyway?)

[MallRat]

46. October surprise = Nixon tainted Kerry's discharge for political gain?

Maybe it's just me, but doesn't that HELP Kerry?

:crazy:

-MR

[NYCGirl]

49. The NY Sun is a low-circulation right wing rag owned by Hollinger. (eom)

NT

[Wapsie B]

4. Here the repugs are sitting on a

ticking time bomb of a pResidency and freeps are excited about a suprise?

[tuvor]

5. I've never heard of the New York Sun

Should we even care?

And what newspaper website doesn't have an about-us link so you can try to learn about any political affiliations?

[leftynyc]

37. Piece of crap newspaper in New York City

They give it out for free in a lot of places.

[SudieJD]

45. Kinda Like The "Shopping News"????

Sudie in MN

[Mrs_Beastman]

38. chimps famous for underhanded champaign tactics

Primetime Live was reviewing chimp last night, Rove and him are pretty slimy about just making stuff up that has no basis in reality.

[CBHagman]

58. That's what they did to McCain in the SC primary in 2000

They circulated literally dozens of lies about McCain -- pretty much anything you can imagine. Of course, the mainstream press generally doesn't refer to this and the fact that this puts the lie to the claim that Bush didn't really need to win the presidency or that he is just a nice guy. Tactics like these prove Bush will do ANYTHING to win the presidency, even if it means attacking a war hero.

[nostalgicaboutmyfutr]

6. probably the Chechan Rebels....eom

[Guaranteed]

7. It's going to be something stupid.

The "New York Sun?"

WTF?

[Comadreja]

8. Oh shock! OH horrors!

I can hardly wait.

[DemBones DemBones]

9. The third debate is tomorrow. (Or today, if you want to be

technical about it.) And I guess some new lame-o smear vets ad is coming out, too.

YAWN.

[B Calm]

39. Kerry should take his honorable discharge to the debate

tonight.

[gauguin57]

11. New York Sun ... that venerable old ... er ... well, founded in 2002...

New York Sun

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

The New York Sun is a daily newspaper published at New York City which debuted April 16, 2002. It is "the first general interest broadsheet newspaper to be launched in New York in two generations".

Its owners include Hollinger International, the company once led by former Canadian "media baron" Conrad Black, who renounced his Canadian citizenship when the Canadian government forbade him to accept a British peerage. According to an article in the Boston Globe, the paper's staff include many well-known political conservatives. Its president and editor in chief is Seth Lipsky and its managing editor Ira Stoll.

[The Minus World]

12. Here's the Big Surprise.

From FreeRepublic:

<<DATE: 12 October 2004
Could this be the headline?

CAMPAIGN UPDATE: The Petition for Indictment of John Kerry reached its
target of 150,000 signatures in September. (This petition for
indictment will remain online for informational purposes
http://patriotpetitions.us/>, and will accept additional
signatures, which we will report each quarter after the petition for
indictment is filed.)


Dear Fellow Patriot,

The petition for indictment of John Kerry, for "giving aid and comfort
to the enemy," and, thus, to disqualify him for national office, has
reached its goal of more than 150,000 signatures. On Monday, 18
October, the petition will be delivered by registered courier to Vice
President Richard Cheney (in his capacity as Senate President), Senate
Majority Leader Bill Frist and Attorney General John Ashcroft today.

Though John Kerry has an extensive and well-documented record of anti-
American activities over the past three decades aid and comfort..." at http://FederalistPatriot.US/alexander/], it is
his acts of treason in 1970-71 that are the subject of this petition
for indictment. Our appeal notes both Kerry's violations of the UCMJ
(Article 104 part 904) and U.S. Code (18 USC Sec. 2381 and 18 USC Sec.
953), and calls for his disqualification for public office in
accordance with the Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3,
which states: "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in
Congress, or elector of President and Vice- President ... having
previously taken an oath ... to support the Constitution of the United
States, engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the
same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."

82 posted on 10/12/2004 10:46:48 PM PDT by Chuck54>>

Flailing in the wind, looking not for ways to justify their candidate's past four years, but for a way to win their war against liberals at all costs.

[freeplessinseattle]

20. that's insane!

why aren't * & co. being tried legally for their aiding and abetting? and for all we know * "tried to love" the enemies' widows, being as he's just bursting with all this love.

[Eloriel]

13. Here's one possibility -- and it 's nothin' to laugh at:

See these threads:

Here's the October Suprise - Israel & US Attack Iran Nuclear Places
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2483396#2483566

Defense Chief Pays Visit to USS John F. Kennedy
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x900431#900614

[Dob Bole]

57. lol

For a minute, I thought it might be a real one.

[jezebel]

14. The freepers are claiming it has something to do with Kerry's discharge.

Saying it was not an honorable discharge but either dishonourable or general discharge.
Mickey Kaus is reporting the story is about the discharge as well.

http://slate.msn.com/id/2108107/
"Here comes ... : Tomorrow's N.Y. Sun supposedly has a big Kerry/honorable discharge story. ... 9:59 P.M."

[Democat]

15. Another fake intern story from the right wing media?

No doubt the entire media will pick up the story slamming Kerry before they drop it without actually admitting they were lying - that's the usual from the right wing U.S. media.

[gavodotcom]

16. Story is up now online -- Kerry Discharge

But you have to be a paying subscriber, which I am not.

http://www.nysun.com/section/2

Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service. The document is a form cover letter in the name of the...

That's as much as I can get.

[jezebel]

17. I signed up. Here it is.

Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004

An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.

The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.

According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.

A Kerry campaign spokesman, David Wade, was asked whether Mr. Kerry had ever been a victim of an attempt to deny him an honorable discharge. There has been no response to that inquiry.

The document is dated February 16, 1978. But Mr. Kerry's military commitment began with his six-year enlistment contract with the Navy on February 18, 1966. His commitment should have terminated in 1972. It is highly unlikely that either the man who at that time was a Vietnam Veterans Against the War leader, John Kerry, requested or the Navy accepted an additional six year reserve commitment. And the Claytor document indicates proceedings to reverse a less than honorable discharge that took place sometime prior to February 1978.

The most routine time for Mr. Kerry's discharge would have been at the end of his six-year obligation, in 1972. But how was it most likely to have come about?

NBC's release this March of some of the Nixon White House tapes about Mr. Kerry show a great deal of interest in Mr. Kerry by Nixon and his executive staff, including, perhaps most importantly, Nixon's special counsel, Charles Colson. In a meeting the day after Mr. Kerry's Senate testimony, April 23, 1971, Mr. Colson attacks Mr. Kerry as a "complete opportunist...We'll keep hitting him, Mr. President."

Mr. Colson was still on the case two months later, according to a memo he wrote on June 15,1971, that was brought to the surface by the Houston Chronicle. "Let's destroy this young demagogue before he becomes another Ralph Nader." Nixon had been a naval officer in World War II. Mr. Colson was a former Marine captain. Mr. Colson had been prodded to find "dirt" on Mr. Kerry, but reported that he couldn't find any.

The Nixon administration ran FBI surveillance on Mr. Kerry from September 1970 until August 1972. Finding grounds for an other than honorable discharge, however, for a leader of the Vietnam Veterans Against the War, given his numerous activities while still a reserve officer of the Navy, was easier than finding "dirt."

For example, while America was still at war, Mr. Kerry had met with the North Vietnamese and Viet Cong delegation to the Paris Peace talks in May 1970 and then held a demonstration in July 1971 in Washington to try to get Congress to accept the enemy's seven point peace proposal without a single change. Woodrow Wilson threw Eugene Debs, a former presidential candidate, in prison just for demonstrating for peace negotiations with Germany during World War I. No court overturned his imprisonment. He had to receive a pardon from President Harding.

Mr. Colson refused to answer any questions about his activities regarding Mr. Kerry during his time in the Nixon White House. The secretary of the Navy at the time during the Nixon presidency is the current chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Senator Warner. A spokesman for the senator, John Ullyot, said, "Senator Warner has no recollection that would either confirm or challenge any representation that Senator Kerry received a less than honorable discharge."

The "board of officers" review reported in the Claytor document is even more extraordinary because it came about "by direction of the President." No normal honorable discharge requires the direction of the president. The president at that time was James Carter. This adds another twist to the story of Mr. Kerry's hidden military records.

Mr. Carter's first act as president was a general amnesty for draft dodgers and other war protesters. Less than an hour after his inauguration on January 21, 1977, while still in the Capitol building, Mr. Carter signed Executive Order 4483 empowering it. By the time it became a directive from the Defense Department in March 1977 it had been expanded to include other offenders who may have had general, bad conduct, dishonorable discharges, and any other discharge or sentence with negative effect on military records. In those cases the directive outlined a procedure for appeal on a case by case basis before a board of officers. A satisfactory appeal would result in an improvement of discharge status or an honorable discharge.

Mr. Kerry has repeatedly refused to sign Standard Form 180, which would allow the release of all his military records. And some of his various spokesmen have claimed that all his records are already posted on his Web site. But the Washington Post already noted that the Naval Personnel Office admitted that they were still withholding about 100 pages of files.

If Mr. Kerry was the victim of a Nixon "enemies list" hit, one might have expected him to wear it like a badge of honor, like many others such as his friend Daniel Ellsberg, who leaked the Pentagon Papers, CBS's Daniel Schorr, or the actor Paul Newman, who had made Mr. Colson's original list of 20 "enemies."

There are a number of categories of discharges besides honorable. There are general discharges, medical discharges, bad conduct discharges, as well as other than honorable and dishonorable discharges. There is one odd coincidence that gives some weight to the possibility that Mr. Kerry was dishonorably discharged. Mr. Kerry has claimed that he lost his medal certificates and that is why he asked that they be reissued. But when a dishonorable discharge is issued, all pay benefits, and allowances, and all medals and honors are revoked as well. And five months after Mr. Kerry joined the U.S. Senate in 1985, on one single day, June 4, all of Mr. Kerry's medals were reissued.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

19. Lame.

There's no "there," there. Looks like typical right-wing slime, no actual evidence, just sneaky comments pointing to inferences. Like Pox News and their sly little "Some people say..." bullshit. Freeper douchebags, is that all you've got? Pfft.

[The Minus World]

24. Dismissal

Let them have their bone. They're frothing over this news over at FR; beyond thrilled that this chaff may provide voters with a sufficient distraction from the big picture.

The greater lesson here is that these people are so desperately hoping for some sort of rapturous "October Surprise" to occur. Have they such little faith in their own candidate that they need to resort to slamming his liberal opponent?

Of course, when the general public dismisses these transparent attempts to shift the focus of the debate, the mainstream press will follow - that's when the cries of "how dare the 'liberal media' ignore us?" begin again.

[gavodotcom]

21. bwa-hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Rove has jumped the shark!

Nixon puts Kerry under surveillance for 2 years, gives him a dishonorable discharge.

Carter reviews the case,....takes away the dishonorable discharge?

That's all they've got?

bwa-hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

Show me a picture or video of Kerry burning the flag or eating an American baby, otherwise Swifties are delusional if they think it'll sway the election.

When you're defamed by a crook, and exonerated by a Nobel Peace Prize Winner, you're doing something right.

And thank you very much, jezebel, we all appreciate it.

[Duncan Grant]

25. Thanks jezebel.

There's no RISE in their suprise. That story will flatline by 8:00 a.m. EST.

Appreciate your posting it. :hi:

[radwriter0555]

36. It's ALL conjecture and shows few relevent facts. It's all guessing and

what-ifs, so all we need to do is dismiss it and laugh about it and put the bush regime back on the defensive.

[Insomnicole]

42. LOL -- that's it?

They think that a story of Nixon and his lapdogs trying to "destroy" Kerry is a poor reflection on *Kerry*? What am I missing here?

And in case the freepi didn't notice, most people stopped giving a crap about Kerry's Vietnam service right around the time the first debate rolled around and folks got a good look at how Kerry stacks up to Bush.

[qanda]

50. Is George patting Kerry down in that picture?

eom

[FatSlob]

55. Kerry can clear this up by signing the Standard Form 180.

It will open up his record to the public. I'm confident that he will be vindicated if he releases it.

[Walt Starr]

56. Bush first

Bush is the incumbent, so he should sign form 180 first.

[FatSlob]

59. Any candidate should.

[Walt Starr]

62. I wouldn't

No way in hell would I. That gives complete access to a lot of crap nobody has any business looking at.

There's no there there. This is a non-issue, and I question anybody who would consider it an issue.

[Moderator]

66. jezebel

Per DU copyright rules
please post only four
paragraphs from the
copyrighted news source
and provide a link to
the source.


Thank you.


DU Moderator

[Rockholm]

34. NY Sun? Pathetic Right-Wing Rag

[FlemingsGhost]

18. I don't give a shit.

Thanks for the link, sysoprock, but I shant be visiting ... ever.

Eyes on the prize, people. Focus!

(on edit: FYI, sysoprock ... it's spelled t-o-m-o-r-r-o-w.)

[donheld]

22. October Surprises can cut both way's

what's to say Kerry doesn't have one or two for bushie

[grasswire]

23. It's time to open the can of whup-ass, JFK

Clinton: When they hit you, hit back harder, and immediately.

There's so much crap to hit them with!

[Chomskyite]

26. So . . .

. . . the best they can do is say Kerry's honorable discharge came late, according to the paperwork on his website. And that he hasn't released ALL his records.

I don't see why Kerry wouldn't release them all, but redacted for privacy concerns. This would quickly bury this crap.

[radfringe]

27. can't vouch for this....but....

TBR News – October 11, 2004
http://www.tbrnews.org/Archives/a1130.htm
Voice of the White House

---snip----

Thesis: Iran hates the United States and Israel. Iran has atomic weapons and missiles (the Shahab, courtesy of North Korean/Russian technicians) It can easily reach Tel Aviv. It can also reach US troop concentrations in Iraq. Israel is scared shitless. Their pressure groups have leaned on the White House, with a great deal of assistance from Cheney and the Neocons. The actual plan is this:

The U.S. has no troops available for an Iranian adventure and the Israelis would rather not lose any warm bodies so…it has been firmly decided that both Israel and the U.S. will launch a surprise attack against 1., Iranian missile sites, 2. Iranian nuclear facilities and 3. the leadership of Iran located in and around Tehran. How will this be done? By aircraft attack using U.S. developed “smart bombs” and the so-called “bunker-buster” bombs designed to destroy underground reinforced concrete facilities .We just sent these to Israel. Because of the political ramifications, the Israelis will conduct the main strikes, supported by U.S. aircraft as needed. The aim will be to wipe out any vestige of nuclear weaponry, its delivery system and all the Iranian leaders capable of starting any attacks on Israel (mostly Tel Aviv…too many fellow Muslims in Jerusalem.) Since it would be a problem for Israeli Air Force units to fly round trip from Israel, the solution will be to launch these attacks from U.S. aircraft carriers located in the Persian Gulf area. As I write, the super carrier USS John F. Kennedy (CV 67) is now in the Persian Gulf along with the so-called Essex Expeditionary Strike Group (ESG) <31st Marine Expeditionary Unit (MEU) (SOC)> which consists of:: USS Essex (LHD 2) USS Juneau (LPD 10) USS Harpers Ferry (LSD 49) USS Mobile Bay (CG 53USS Hopper (DDG 70) USS Preble (DDG 88) The initial attacks will be an early-morning surprise attack launched to coincide with religious services in Tehran’s Muslim mosques with the idea of catching not only the leading Mullahs inside but a large number of their congregations as well. One attack will concentrate on these religious centers and the other will hit both the underground nuclear facilities and identified (courtesy of U.S. satellite shots) missile launching sites. The U.S. will supply observation and radio surveillance aircraft with radar-jamming capacities operating out of Turkey and Italy. The entire attack is scheduled to last no more than one hour with at least three waves of Israeli aircraft utilized. No warning will be given to the Iranians and no declaration of war. The possible deaths of foreign diplomats in the attacks has been discussed and accepted as part of the price. This attack has the full support of the President who wants it launched before the elections. He can then make a speech to the American people stating that the evil Iranian nuclear weaponry has been destroyed by the Israelis with the full cooperation of his government as part of his heroic war against terrorists. Believe me, that speech has already been written and I have seen a copy of it. The brass here feels that this will have a tremendous impact on the American people, just before the elections. No U.S. ground troops will be used; Bush will stress that this is a joint U.S.-Israeli anti-terrorist project. Part of the speech deals with ongoing Shiite Iranian physical support of their Shiite brethren in Iraq and that by knocking out the Iranian nuclear weaponry, at the same time, they are protecting GIs from ongoing guerrilla warfare. The brass is literally rubbing it’s hands and drooling over what they see as Bush’s Final Victory. I have seen a negative report copy from someone in the Pentagon that says if the Iranians get wind of this little game, they might strike first and they might also realize that large numbers of vulnerable American troops are concentrated inside Iraqi cities, prime targets for a nuclear tactical attack. These people are literally insane and I really hope you don’t delete this. Something really has to be done to stop these maniacs before we all die of radiation sickness!”

[Habibi]

28. Horrifying

IsTBR a credible source?

Are they totally deluded in thinking that Americans would support this action, or am I totally deluded in thinking that they would *not*?

[gavodotcom]

29. Bullshit.

Sorry, it's bullshit. On so many levels. I don't know if I'm supposed to not say anything because it's anti-Bush and I'm on DU, but this is beyond all logic, militarily or politically.

I don't even know where to begin. Iran doesn't even have nuclear weapons.

There's no longer any American support for another pre-emptive war, even if it is supposedly by proxy.

Sensationalism at its best, I suppose. Or the rapture's comin'.

[George_S]

30. Well, it was GOING to ge a surprise attack

Until you told us :)

[helpisontheway]

31. BUSH

Bush is going down...........

[riverwalker]

32. and Ramadan starts the 16th

this Saturday.

[Swamp Rat]

33. "tomarrow?"

[goodboy]

35. what surprises me is how illiterate they are.... (nt)

[Walt Starr]

40. This is the piece in question

http://www.nysun.com/article/3107

Mystery Surrounds Kerry's Navy Discharge
BY THOMAS LIPSCOMB - Special to the Sun
October 13, 2004

An official Navy document on Senator Kerry's campaign Web site listed as Mr. Kerry's "Honorable Discharge from the Reserves" opens a door on a well kept secret about his military service.

The document is a form cover letter in the name of the Carter administration's secretary of the Navy, W. Graham Claytor. It describes Mr. Kerry's discharge as being subsequent to the review of "a board of officers." This in it self is unusual. There is nothing about an ordinary honorable discharge action in the Navy that requires a review by a board of officers.

According to the secretary of the Navy's document, the "authority of reference" this board was using in considering Mr. Kerry's record was "Title 10, U.S. Code Section 1162 and 1163. "This section refers to the grounds for involuntary separation from the service. What was being reviewed, then, was Mr. Kerry's involuntary separation from the service. And it couldn't have been an honorable discharge, or there would have been no point in any review at all. The review was likely held to improve Mr. Kerry's status of discharge from a less than honorable discharge to an honorable discharge.

[progressivebydesign]

41. Ah.. an editorial disguised as an article.. yawn..

They stayed up last night for that? ho hum..

[jerryman814]

44. Sorta like Faux News...

Only that they pretend to be a news channel but turn out to be a soap opera.

[ProfessorGAC]

43. It Seems Hard To Believe. . .

. . .that even the neocons would bring up an issue like this. After all, the questions about Li'l Georgie's discharge are those that they have been ducking for 5 years! Questioning Kerry's would just open a can of worms that would be bad for themselves.

Doesn't make sense. Of course, the freeps would get excited about something that doesn't make sense. They don't understand anything that does make sense. If they did, they wouldn't be freepers.
The Professor

[TahitiNut]

47. IIRC, there's something about being a commissioned officer ...

... that extends one's military service obligation beyond a mere discharge.

It should be remembered that what we typically call a "discharge" (the DD-214) is really a "Report of Discharge or Transfer." On my DD-214 (dated 14-Nov-69) there's an entry entitled "Terminal Date of Reserve/UMT&S Obligation." It's dated 24-Mar-74, which is six years after my induction on 25-Mar-68. A draftee's service obligation was 6 years, including 2 years of active service and 4 years of inactive reserve. I received my "Honorable Discharge" certificate and orders (in a nice green, padded folder) on the 1st of March, 1974.

Officers are not draftees. In accepting a commission, an officer accepts a longer service obligation, iirc. In order to terminate this longer obligation, the officer had to resign their commission. Such a resignation had to be accepted, however. This may be part of what's in Kerry's service background.

On edit ...
The sections of US Code cited in the NYSun article pertained entirely to the discharge of Reserve Commissioned Officers, whether voluntary or involuntary. Such persons could not legally disharge themselves. Obviously. Commissioned officers could only be discharged, technically, by the President (under whose authority a commission is granted). Thus, any discharge of a commissioned officer in the (inactive) reserve would cite those sections of US Code.

[Walt Starr]

48. Also remeber, a former Navy Chief Petty Officer is the one pushing this

An enlisted man is the one calling this into question.

[TahitiNut]

53. It looks to me like they DELIBERATELY ignore the differences ...

... between an enlisted person's discharge (including draftees) and a commissioned (as opposed to non-commissioned) officer's discharge. A commission, technically at least, entails a continuing obligation to serve at the pleasure of the President. I don't believe the six-year limit on service obligation (with an automatic discharge at that time) applies to commissioned officers.

I recall having to resign my commission as a Cadet (technically, an officer and due a salute from enlisted personnel) in the U. S. Coast Guard in order to leave the Academy in 1963. (It's been a while.)

[ProfessorGAC]

52. That May Be, But. . .

. . .it still seems illogical for Bush's team to bring up this issue.
The Professor

[TahitiNut]

54. I don't ever recall them accepting the notion of equitable examination ...

... of Kerry's service and Junior's* service. These people have never held Junior* to the same standards they implicitly apply to Kerry. That seems to require a sense of fairness and justice that's just not seen from Bushbots. Thus, I don't believe they even begin to accept any notion that a challenge to (smear of) the character of Kerry's discharge would justify a similar examination of Junior's.

[ProfessorGAC]

64. But, I Suspect It WILL Happen

I think the political strategists in their camp would just as soon leave this alone. That's why i don't believe this is the October Surprise.

I agree with you that THESE guys aren't worried about equity. But, i still suspect that it WILL open this can of worms.
The Professor

[LynnTheDem]

51. You gotta be kidding...

The rightwingnut MORANS really should look up the Navy rules and Kerry's actual record on this, lol!!!

This is HILARIOUS!!!

Hint for the incredibly STOOPID freeptards; Kerry signed up for RESERVES after his active duty.

Kerry was an OFFICER; HE KEPT HIS COMMISSION until 1978.

NOBODY is as STOOPID as the freeping rightwingnuttery.

Ewww that STENCH of rightwingnut desperation and urine!

ROTFLMAO!!!

[Junkdrawer]

61. Oh, look. The day AFTER Kerry could respond to a national audience...

Just like the first smear was immediately AFTER the Dem Convention.

[geek tragedy]

65. NY Sun story dubunked HERE

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1052382&mesg_id=1052382

[camero]

67. They can't ever let Vietnam go

:boring: