Dumb dumb dumb - bringing up Cheneys daughter

[Jack The Tab]

Totally unnecessary.

[kymar57]

1. Disagee

His followup was OK

[Texasgal]

5. I think it was appropriate...

Let those fuckers BURN!

[T Town Jake]

49. I certainly don't think it was inappropriate in any way...

...but following that sensible statement up with "Let those fuckers BURN!" is not only not helpful, but highly suspect as a posted sentiment. Please clarify.

[Occulus]

2. Oh really??

She's the daughter of the current VP. She's a lesbian. Both * and Cheney take positions against GLBT persons everywhere. The question was if they believe homosexuality to be a choice.

As a gay man, bringing her up was totally appropriate and, in some ways, necessary. I have no problems with his answers to the question.

[Jack The Tab]

3. I think he could make his point without bringing her up...

Im well aware of the hipocrisy thing, but Kerry should be above using her by name. It just doesn't ring a good bell for me. Gut instinct. Maybe it will not even be mentioned, maybe it will, maybe good for Kerry maybe not.

Didn't sound good.

[stanwyck]

8. I'm with you

he could make the point without mentioning Cheney's daughter. It hits me wrong, too.

[Booster]

18. I kind of have to agree. He could have said "some of us"

have family members who are gay, or even "you, Mr. President, even have members of your staff who have family members who are gay", but using her name is border line sleezy and unnecessary.

[jdj]

35. oh yeah, like totally, that is like, so,like mature.

I am all for it then excorciating Cheney for his poor parenting skills.

I'm a queer and I say hang them from DOMA by their balls. As parents, I think Kerry and Edwards have EVERY RIGHT to nail Cheney on his hypocrisy. Some parents abuse their children, but very few parents ever get to the level of trying to legislate AGAINST their own child on a national level, and to alter the constitution to restrict the rights of THEIR OWN CHILD. This is a hideous betrayal, it's kind of like him dangling Mary from the balcony of the white house by her foot, it's that obvious a public spectacle of parental betrayal.

[goclark]

60. I totally agree.

That cuts right to the chase!


"very few parents ever get to the level of trying to legislate AGAINST their own child on a national level, and to alter the constitution to restrict the rights of THEIR OWN CHILD."

[Andromeda]

66. That's exactly right, jdjkkse...

.

[Kipepeo]

48. What do you mean "above using her by name?"

I'm sorry, but that reeks of the "homosexuality is something not to be spoken of" mentality.

Would anyone be so "hush hush" if she were straight? Oh, I guess not, since he allowed his straight daughter to come onstage after his speech at the RNC.

Here are the facts:

She's his daughter
She is an out lesbian
She is WORKING for his campaign
He supports the President in wanting to amend the US Constitution to deny equal marriage rights to lesbians
He tries to take a fence-sitting position on the matter BECAUSE of his OUT lesbian duaghter

It SHOULD be mentioned. Because it IS Personal for Everyone. It's hard to be a gay-hating fundie crazy when someone in your family is gay.

[AntiFascist]

57. NOT ONLY THAT BUT......

the Republican party is actively capitalizing on Mary Cheney's lesbian status by having her speak to various gay groups in order to persuade them to vote for Bush/Cheney. Previously she was an out public activist for about 10 years (until Cheney campaigned in 2000). Quick, inform the religious right of this outrage!

[Kipepeo]

59. True That! n/t

[TahitiNut]

4. She's a paid employee of the Bush/Cheney campaign.

She's out. She's an adult. She's fair game.

[donheld]

6. this gay man

totally agrees

[Raster]

9. And this gay man also agrees. $hrubco is advocating changing....

...the Constitution of the United States to discriminate against gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered persons. mary cheney receives a paycheck from the committee to re-select the president. Previously mary cheney was the openly gay (read: OUT) liaison between the gay community and coors brewing.

mary cheney is an openly gay woman, who lives an openly gay life, with her openly gay female partner. And your issue would be...?

[AntiFascist]

17. not to mention the fact that she works for her father's campaign....

she's involved whether we like it or not!!!

[Kipepeo]

53. Thank You!

This criticism reminds me of the trolls on www.Blogactive.com, the site that has been exposing anti-gay Repukes who are secretly (guess what): gay, at least in their sexual life.

[txindy]

44. Esp. when her own father uses her in his own speeches

Dick loves to talk about his gay daughter, Mary. No one goes after him when he says it. We're not advocating hypocrisy.

[UNIXcock]

7. although his message was understood ...

... it came across poorly, was the only thing the household grumbled about all night

[AntiFascist]

22. and hopefully it will demotivate the Republican base. n/t

[B Calm]

10. You got to hit them hard! and Kerry is doing it!

[bliss_eternal]

12. I'm not sure

if it was a bad call to bring up the Cheney daughter, but if it was his response was a helluva comeback! He really kicked Bush's ass on his response to gay marriage. All that crap about it protecting the rights of male and female married couples...made me yell 'Fuck you' at the television. Such bullshit!

[prolesunited]

11. Don't agree

Unnecessary would be, "If it's a choice Mr. President, why did Mary Cheney choose not to be a heterosexual."

Actually, I thought of worse, but I didn't want to offend anyone.

[mountainvue]

13. A Senator finally

says "lesbian" on national television-it's not a negative.

[TahitiNut]

14. Yeah, I noticed that. I liked it. It's about time.

:thumbsup:

[TahitiNut]

15. The MSRNC whores are bashing Kerry on it.

assholes. They even make note that Cheney brought it up himself. I guess it's OK for Cheney to try to make political hay on his daughter's sexual orientation (like he knows a damned thing about it!) but the opposition can't respond? Fuck that shit.

[OutsourceBush]

50. Bush/Cheney LOVE Lesbians

LESBIANS LESBIANS LESBIANS LESBIANS LESBIANS LESBIANS LESBIANS LESBIANS LESBIANS LESBIANS LESBIANS LESBIANS LESBIANS

LOTS-O-LESBIANS

REPUBLIAN PARTY IS THE PARTY OF LESBIANS

VOTE BUSH IF YOU LIKE BUSH!

[porphyrian]

16. Who gives a shit?

Are you going to vote any differently because of it? Do you know anyone who is? It's not like he outed her or anything.

[Berserker]

21. Was it the truth

or was it a lie? It's a fact and whats wrong with facts? It needs to be said and Kerry was right and very dignified in his approach.

[jdj]

37. The fundies do, because they probably don't know.

They don't call Cheney "backseat" for nothing.

It shines a spotlight on a stain on his character, that of betraying his own child.

[LiberalFighter]

42. If they don't know then they have been living with their head up their...

It has been known since at least the 2000 campaign. And Mary outed herself.

[harrison]

19. Totally appropriate. Kerry and Edwards showing the

the doubles standards of the right wing and rubbing their nose in it. Also, sends a message that is okay to be Gay in America.

[Chelsea Patriot]

20. This Gay man sees no problem with it.

[AntiFascist]

23. I don't think Mary Cheney has a problem being out of the closet...

only her parents do.

[AntiFascist]

24. btw, the president is a bisexual, spread the word....

[classics]

25. DUPE

DUPE

[classics]

26. Not dumb.

Its about time someone bitch slapped these criminals with thier own blatant hypocrisy on gay/lesbian issues.

[T Town Jake]

56. "bitch slapped"... You're right to point out the homophobic...

...hypocrisy of that bunch; but you're quite wrong to use sexist, misogynist language to do it. This is DU, not a Frat house.

[i_c_a_White_Ghost]

27. it boxes bush in..a brilliant move

[T Town Jake]

52. I thought so, too. (n/t)

[FrankBooth]

28. Nonsense.

Bringing up the gay daughter was just one of many brilliant strokes by JK.

[FizzFuzz]

29. people aren't used to hearing the L word, that's all

especially out of the mouths of leaders...

fine, good, better to get over the initial shock. What's more important is that Kerry points out that bush discriminates and it affects real people.

What I think is even better is by saying it openly and mentioning an actual person that people can identify, Kerry and Edwards put a human face on those at the recieving end of the discrimination that this fucking admin perpetrates behind phony and vague words of inclusiveness.

[Lorien]

30. I agree. Leave the kids out of it.

[TahitiNut]

31. She's NOT a "kid" .. she's a paid employee of the campaign.

[ArnoldLayne]

43. Your right that makes her

fair game now.

[Lorien]

65. The comment just made me wince

that was my visceral reaction to it. I watch the debate with about 50 MoveOn members, and most of them cheered wildly at Kerry's comment. It just didn't jive with what I expected from Kerry, I guess. I really haven't tried to analyze why that was my reaction.

[drscm]

32. Sadly, that's exactly what Cheney did to Mary after his speech at

the RNC. Only one daughter was deemed worthy to be with him on stage. The repugs are ashamed of their own children. Democrats are willing to accept ours AND theirs.

[TahitiNut]

40. That's exactly the point.

They don't want Mary mentioned because it's still something (they think) that people should be ashamed of!

The implicit closet bigotry is nauseating. :puke:

[murdoch]

63. I agree as well

It makes me think of Edwards as a sleazy trial lawyer for the first time.

[TahitiNut]

33. Oh, the SHAME! Heaven forbid anyone ATTACK her for being a lesbian!

That's the message!

He's not supposed to mention it? Why? It's an absolutely standard part of any political speech to trot out the SPOUSE and (proof of fertility) kids. "Hey! Look at me! I'm a virile heterosexual!" :puke:

When anyone attacks Kerry for 'attacking' poor Mary Cheney, they're still saying that GLBT should stay in the closet.

I think that's totally reprehensible!

Is this REALLY a "liberal" forum? :puke: :puke:

[Liberal_Dog]

34. I Didn't Like That

I thought Kerry could have made his point without bringing her into it.

[ObaMania]

36. Nawww...

.. had to bring it up in AZ fer all those folks that didn't know and look up to Mr F*#k Yourself as their hero.

I think h said it in a tasteful way and I would loved to have heard Mrs F*#k Yourself's statement afterwards.

[against all enemies]

38. Kerry could have been classier, don't name her

just describe her, like: everyone has a family member, a friend or a co worker that is gay. He makes his point, and everyone is thinking Cheney. Kerry would have looked better, it came off petty.

[txindy]

45. Only if people think there's something wrong with being gay

otherwise they have no problem with it.

[Joefess]

39. Fair game...

It's an issue this administration hides from, hell Cheney wouldn't even bring up his Daughter on stage at their convention. The 2 different times it was brought up was not in bad taste, IMHO.

[ArnoldLayne]

41. I think it might cause alot of right-wing fundies

apprehension about supporting a Bush/Cheney ticket. Not that they will vote for Kerry but they just might not bother to vote for either candidate.

[Pig_Latin_Lover]

46. What about poor Ted Kennedy?

What about Ted, who was outed as a liberal tonight? From Massachusetts, no less!

He's a liberal, and John Kerry supports liberals. In fact, Kerry may even be a liberal!

Now the world is fully aware that Ted Kennedy is a liberal and Bush exploited it far too much.

[Kipepeo]

47. what are you talking about?

Why is it "unnecessary?"

Please elaborate more if you're going to start a godamn thread on it.

Thanks.

[okieinpain]

51. oh it shut's them up on the subject. all they can talk about is kerry

is mean. boohoo, kerry is mean to us, he stated a fact.

[nomaco-10]

54. I totally agree and Edwards did it too in a most opportunistic vein....

in the Cheney debate. It came across as opportunistic and totally unnecessary.

[Neshanic]

55. If you take the candyland road to the secret place, she lives there.

She quietly sits and no one knows about her. She is a secret within a secret, and various theories have been dicussed on her, as we never see her. She also has nothing to do with her fathers re-election.

Sarcasm off.

[MADem]

58. She is out, partnered and WORKING ON THE CAMPAIGN

It's not like she's hiding out in Seattle or something, she is OUT THERE in a KEY POSITION to get her father reelected. I believe she is in a PAID position as well. She HAS no privacy if she is working on the campaign--no one working on the campaigns do, they are public figures.

Anyone raising this is perpetuating a massively lame GOP attempt to distract from the fact that weewee stumbled, spewed some odd stuff out of his mouth, was yet again the Hunchback with that thing on his back, and couldn't answer a question (jobs, uh schools, uh uh...).

Bush sucked, and his base knows it, so they will pull out the fake outrage and hope that some other story overtakes the debates. Because Kerry beat the crap out of weewee, yet AGAIN.

[w4rma]

61. She's an adult. She's a very well paid Republican campaign worker.

And not bringing her up would be insulting to her as that would mean that she is something to be embarrassed of by Democrats, in addition to Republicans.

She should be treated like any other adult. She should NOT be treated as something to be embarrassed of.

[Sleepless In NY]

62. Tell Lynne to go after Alan Keyes then

Alan Keyes could have kept quiet about Mary Cheney, but chose not too. And Unlike Kerry, Keyes was anything but positive in his remarks about Mary, he was downright viscious. Incredibly ironic, since Keyes's daughter is also a lesbian. A Typical Republican Hypocrite.

And you know what? So is Lynne. Her daughter is a lesbian, so what? What's so offensive? The only ones offended are the right wingers, like Lynne, who find it "shameful" and dont want it mentioned.


Mary participates in this campaign and so does Ted Kennedy. But it's ok to bring up Kennedy's name anytime cheney/bush feel like it.

I'm offended by bush's constant reference to Massachusetts, like coming from that state makes you Unamerican. Oh, I know its "code" from that "place" where those "awful gays" got married. But it's also the state where plenty of men & women are serving in Iraq. Does Bush ever worry about offending them?

Bush sucked tonite and this baloney about Mary Cheney is all they've got to go after Kerry?? Beats having to defend bush's abysmal record.

You're offended Lynne? Good. Now go after Alan Keyes, you hypocrite.

[UdoKier]

64. No, just redundant and off-subject.

Bush & Cheney already make a pretense of being "tolerant" of gays. Mentioning her will have no impact on the anybody's opinion of this race.

[GoldenOldie]

67. Lynn Cheney pimped her daughter out when she called

it "cheap and tawdry." Lynn and Dick keep rehashing it for political purposes and not because they are offended.