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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:40 PM
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Bush* LIED about the flu vaccine!
Here's what the flaming rectum said:
SCHIEFFER: New question, Mr. President, to you.

We are talking about protecting ourselves from the unexpected, but the flu season is suddenly upon us. Flu kills thousands of people every year.

Suddenly we find ourselves with a severe shortage of flu vaccine. How did that happen?

BUSH: Bob, we relied upon a company out of England to provide about half of the flu vaccines for the United States citizen, and it turned out that the vaccine they were producing was contaminated. And so we took the right action and didn't allow contaminated medicine into our country.

We're working with Canada to hopefully -- that they'll produce a -- help us realize the vaccine necessary to make sure our citizens have got flu vaccinations during this upcoming season.

My call to our fellow Americans is if you're healthy, if you're younger, don't get a flu shot this year. Help us prioritize those who need to get the flu shot, the elderly and the young.

The CDC, responsible for health in the United States, is setting those priorities and is allocating the flu vaccine accordingly.

I haven't gotten a flu shot, and I don't intend to because I want to make sure those who are most vulnerable get treated.

We have a problem with litigation in the United States of America. Vaccine manufacturers are worried about getting sued, and therefore they have backed off from providing this kind of vaccine.

One of the reasons I'm such a strong believer in legal reform is so that people aren't afraid of producing a product that is necessary for the health of our citizens and then end up getting sued in a court of law.

But the best thing we can do now, Bob, given the circumstances with the company in England is for those of us who are younger and healthy, don't get a flu shot.


The FACT is that "we" didn't do shit. The British prohibited the distribution of the vaccine due to contamination of the output from that company. In FACT, US officials went over there to try to get the British to release some of it!


Bush LIED. People will DIE.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:41 PM
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1. Working with Canada? I thought their drugs could kill us!
Flip flop!
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 08:44 AM
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20. there is no truth standard in the media... they won't call out the puppet
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:41 PM
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2. And Malloy pointed out it's really an Amercian company
They farmed out the production to the British company. Argh!
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:55 PM
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9. Yes! Chiron is an AMERICAN Company....He lied...didn't bother to even
know about it probably. Flu doesn't mean anything to him and I guess he thought we are as dumb as he is and don't know it was an American Co....sheesh.

Not everyone would know, but enough would that he should have never said what he did.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:42 PM
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3. has any president ever told his citizens "just don't get the vaccine!" ???
aaaaah health care! who needs it anyway?

if you're a productive provider for your family, just use your damn sick days!

see, isn't our health care system the envy of the world!!!
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:44 PM
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4. It is also an American company that happened to outsource to....
...England and it was the American sloopy standards that allowed the contamination.
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salvorhardin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:45 PM
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5. I posted a thread
Edited on Wed Oct-13-04 10:45 PM by salvorhardin
over here http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1060669&mesg_id=1060669 with the idea that we could collect every Bush lie told tonight.

There hasn't been any interest so far, but please feel free to post over there. It'd be kind of interesting to collect every single Bush lie in a 90 minute time span in one place.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:45 PM
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6. I thought this was Kerry's weakest response - Health care
didn't have much to do about the vaccine issue. Bush lied when he said that we stopped the vaccine, the Brits prevented it from coming over here.

Also, if Canadian flu vaccines are good enough for good ole USofA why can't we buy other cheaper drugs from them?

Kerry missed it on this one!
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bluedeminredstate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:05 PM
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10. Agree
He used the same talking points from the other night. Thank God he turned it around - I was a little woried at first!
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:45 PM
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7. The Commander of our Armed Forces is not getting vaccinated?
Not very good judgment, IMO.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 10:48 PM
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8. "if you're younger, don't get a flu shot this year" Translation:
"We are totally missing The Daily Show demographic, so hopefully some of them fuckers will be too sick to vote."

:P
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:21 PM
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11. Actually, people who need a vaccine the most, like my husband,
probably won't get one. He is on dialysis and 78 years old, which makes him very frail to say the least. He has always gotten one from the dialysis clinic, but this year because of the shortage, they told us we would have to go to several places that were giving them out because they wouldn't be getting any. Now those places involve standing in line. My husband uses a walker and can't stand more than ten minutes at a time. My healthy, fifty + neighbors, stood in line at CostCo for four hours and were able to get shots.

I don't know who engineered this mess. Why does anyone who is sick and frail have to stand in line to begin with? Why are clinics that survive mostly on government services like medicaid and medicare being denied access to vaccine for the most vulnerable population unless they stand in line? Why?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-13-04 11:24 PM
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12. tort reform
so that companies that make and sell contaminated drugs don't have to worry about being sued. Yep, that's the ticket..

what a moran....

onenote
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Mr Creosote Donating Member (640 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:14 AM
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13. Nice Facts - here's another one.
So whose fault is it that a manifestly incompetant company is getting massive British and US Government contracts, and then endangering the lives of millionsby being unable to fulfill them? Saddam? No. Osama Bin Laden? No. The dastardly French? No. The Democrats? No. Lesbians? No.
It's one of Dubya's bestest mates. One he likes to laud in debates.
Powderject Pharmaceuticals is now American-owned, but until a year ago it was owned by one Paul Drayson. In 2002 it won a £32 million contract from our (UK) government to supply smallpox vaccine. Well it didn't "win" the contract since it was never offered to tender. Curiously enough, and obviously completely coincidentally, Grayson had made two £50,000 donations to Tony Blair's Labour Party shortly before the award of the contract.
Grayson was made a peer of the realm by Blair. Six weeks after Blair awarded him the peerage, Grayson donated a further £505,000 to the Labour Party.
Thje story has been extensively covered in Private Eye ( www.private-eye.co.uk ) but unfortunately it isn't in the online edition. But have a look at front page of the website. It'll make you smile.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 08:31 AM
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18. That's a grin. :-)
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:21 AM
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14. Great work TN!
Too bad no one in the media will bother to point this out! Lie number 12 from debate number 3.

:(
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Hotler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:56 AM
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15. You can bet your ass...
that the rich and their families got flu shots.
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sbj405 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 06:00 AM
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16. Yeah. Sadly, we're working with Canada too late to make a diff.
Even if only the high rish people got the shot, there would not be enough. Not too mention the hysteria this has caused.

I also don't buy that he didn't get a shot or that he isn't getting one.
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prayin4rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 08:16 AM
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17. Medicine from a third world? Sounds risky.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 08:42 AM
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19. yup! and I haven't heard the 'fact checkers'
mention it yet.

my BS meter went off the chart and it was one of the times I yelled LIAR! at my TV.

too bad that Kerry could have said:

Mr. President, you didn't do anything about keeping those contaminated vaccines away from American citizens. The Britishg overnment did.
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