My Conversation With a Bush Christian Supporter

[rsmith6621]

Let Me Preface POST........I am a former Licensed So. Baptist Education Pastor with a Pastoral certificate from a well known seminary so I believe I was qualified to have the following conversation....

Tonight my employer allowed half of our crew to take the 90 minutes off to watch the debate, 30 minutes of it would be considered lunch. Anyhow I'm sitting there with several other team members who are Kerry supporters watching the opening moments of the debate when in walks a Shrub supporter...he walks up to the TV and points to S**** and says to the rest of us HE BE THE MAN Praise God which was followed up by us telling him to keep his comments to himself and to sit down and Shut the FUp. He then spoke up and said that S**** was in touch with people...that as followed up by a fellow worker who asked him how he could support a administration that has once voted against Martin L King holiday(Cheney).....has under the guise of 9/11 strip us of certain civil rights....reduced the quality of life........Now this guy himself is a Black Christian.......he just replied with a Shrub style smirk.

After the debate was over I with respect approached him and asked him first where he went to church....he goes to a large mega church I am familiar with. I then said I heard and saw your enthusiasm for Shrub in the lunch room and reaffirmed that it is nice to see people solid in their choice...I told him I was solid in my support for Kerry as if my laniard around my neck is a Kerry Billboard.....

I said to him I would like to just ask him one question and one question only......He asked WHAT........I asked him....if Shrub was a Mormon, Jeh Wit....Muslim...Jewish....Buhdist would you have as much enthusiasm for him....I then said to take a HARD GUT CHECK and see if you are supporting Bush only because he Spouts the Christian Doctrine or if Bush really in his heart is truly a better leader than what Kerry would be.......I let him return to work.......he then went out of his way all night to avoid walking by my station.


Im going to ask him for a follow up tommorow.

[Still_Notafraid]

1. Great question n/t

[MnFats]

2. Good for you! You might also ask him if a devout Christian would...

...make comments like:
"Fuck Saddam! We're taking him out!"

or

"There's Adam Clymer, major-league asshole from the New York Times."

these were reported by impeccable sources...the latter caught on tape...many instances of Bush use of four-letter words out there.

OF the devout Christians I know, not one would countenance such language....

[leftinmontana]

3. Amen, brother

Too many Christians are going to support Bush due to the fact that the GOP spin machine has cast him as a man of deep faith. First of all, this is a man who only found his way out of the bottle and unto the Bible 15 years ago. Second, I thought the Church was against capital punishment (Texas under Dubya led the nation in executions), and against the unjust, if not illegal, war in Iraq.

[Sleepless In NY]

4. Loved the way Kerry quoted from the bible tonight

I have yet to see bush ever do that.

[bliss_eternal]

6. My dh and I left our church over this crap...

I'm glad to hear that you held this guy accountable about this.

I've even recieved Christian propaganda in the mail where they are saying that Bush is the 'right' candidate to vote for because his administration is in line with the Bible. I find this disturbing and refuse to align myself with this kind of thinking...

I was brought up Catholic and Christian (how messed up is that)? LOL! Dh was raised Catholic. We found a church that we both liked. They have two pastors that take turns doing the service. One pastor was very outspoken about his beliefs about gays and about Bush and how great he thought he was. (Dh and I exchanged angry glances the first time this happened).

After it happened a few more times and we saw he had an agenda (Bush) we were VERY turned off and started to find more and more reasons to just miss service when this pastor was speaking. In time we just stopped going altogether.

He promotes hate imo, I don't see a thing Christian about that....

Christians that are jumping on his bandwagon because of his views on abortion and gays are doing themselves and the greater community of Christians a huge disservice as far as I am concerned.

Just my .02...

[intheflow]

5. Bush vs. Jesus political ad

Print out the spoof from Mad Magazine to show him:

The Bush Campaign TV Commercial If He Was Running Against Jesus.

I sent it to all my conservative Christian Republican family members. And they have to pay attention because I'm studying to be a minister.
O8)

[Indiana_Dem]

7. Bless your heart. I pray you are successful! eom

[DemBones DemBones]

8. That's a good question. Another is

"What are the fruits of his faith?" or "How has faith made him a better person?"

Since his conversion, he's sent some 150 people to die in Texas's death chamber, over 1000 Americans to die in Iraq, plus the uncounted thousands of Iraqis, plus Afghanis and Americans killed in Afghanistan. He hasn't done much to help the starving in Africa or to stop the genocide in Darfur. He and his administration haven't shown too much concern over atrocities at Abu Ghraib or suicide attempts at Guantanamo, either. Nor has he tried to stop the beheadings in Iraq.

I remember Jimmy Carter losing his bid for re-election because the GOP hammered him about American hostages in Iran. American hostages have been beheaded in Iraq but some people are still loving ole Dubya. Have some Americans just lost their cottonpicking minds?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

9. I blame the total information environment that the megachurches

set up.

My stepfather had a piano student whose parents were hardcore rightwingers. They not only sent their children to a "Christian" school but also had their whole social life in the church, as well as reading or viewing only media officially approved by their church. Anything else "opened them to influence by Satan."

If you're living in an anonymous suburb with no sense of community, your only friends are in your church, and your church is scaring you by telling you that anything they don't officially allow is "of the devil," then it's easy to be brainwashed.

I think the flocks of these wolves in shepherd's clothing are literally afraid that they will go to hell--or at least set out on a path that will lead them there-- if they question what their preacher says.

[skygazer]

10. Excellent way to handle that

Please post if you actually get a response from him.

My born again landlady saw my Kerry bumper sticker and gave me an article from some church paper that basically said that Bush was the right man for the job because he was born again.

I told her that I respected her opinion and choices but I was not voting for my country's leader based on his religious belief but on whether I felt he made the best choices for our country. I told her I don't believe Bush has passed that test.

And I also don't believe that his supposed religious conviction is genuine. He does not speak or behave like a true Christian - he is arrogant and vain, he has no humility nor does he show concern for those less fortunate. He is far too eager to wage war for my tastes and shows a shocking joy at the effects of war, rather than the sorrow that such things should evoke. His Christianity is a political prop, IMO.