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soundfury Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 11:29 AM
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Jobs of the 21 Century

When this term is used, it is also followed by a canned speech about education as
a solution to YOUR job not being outsourced.

IsnÕt this a lie?

Specifically, what are these "Jobs of the 21 Century?"

Can someone name them, and how are these jobs less likely to be outsourced?
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 11:37 AM
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1. Hint. The tools required for 21st century job include a..................
Hair Net.
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soundfury Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 11:54 AM
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9. I remember Bill Clinton using this term as well É.

They think if we get retrained at some community college for some trade it will
not be at risk of being outsourced as well?

I wish someone would follow up on this after they give their canned you
Can get retrained at a community college speech.

:mad:
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 11:37 AM
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2. Jobs of the 21st century--translation
McJobs which pay poverty wages and no benefits whatsoever!
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 11:38 AM
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3. Pretty much

it's limited to truck drivers and retail clerks.

I can't wait for the day when the VP of Human resources is
moved to "be closer to the labor force", followed by the CEO
(since the majority of operational assets of the corporation).

LAwyers may stay here (but not legal researchers). Doctors? Nope.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 11:40 AM
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4. Ebay on-line sellers, professional focus group participants....
....come to mind as new high paying jobs identified by Dick Cheney. Ebay fraud is rampant so big bucks can be made there. The average focus group paid incentive ranges from $35 to $50. But most focus group moderators screen out anyone who has attended a focus group in the prior 6 months. But again, if you follow the Cheney ethical practices principles, just lie and you can do ok.

But, I don't think attending Jr College with a PELL grant will provide proper preparation for these jobs. So, I'm like you. I have no idea what the 21st century will demand in new job skills that have not already been around from the last century.

Here is what the DOL said back in 2001:

<snip>

HOT JOBS FOR THE 21st CENTURY

Over the 2000-2010 period, total employment is projected to increase by 22.2 million jobs. From jobs in farming, fishing, and forestry to jobs in management, business, and finance, every major occupational group will experience some amount of job growth. Smaller employment gains, like those projected in production occupations (750,000 jobs) and those in installation, maintenance, and repair occupations (662,000 jobs) will be dwarfed by the gains expected in professional and related occupations (7.0 million jobs) and those in service occupations (5.1 million jobs).

In addition to the employment gains mentioned above, there will also be increases in labor force participation over the 2000-2010 period. The number of women in the labor force is projected to increase from 65.6 million in 2000 to 75.5 million in 2010--an increase of 15.1 percent. The number of men in the labor force is projected to increase from 75.2 million in 2000 to 82.2 million in 2010--a 9.3 percent increase. By 2010, women are projected to account for 48 percent of the total labor force.

As women's share of the labor force continues to climb, it is important for women to be aware of the jobs that will have the fastest growth, the jobs with the largest numerical increases, and the education and training necessary to secure one of these jobs. Fastest job growth refers to the percentage change in employment within a particular occupation over a specific period of time. Numerical job growth refers to the total number of jobs created within an occupation over a specific period of time.

The pay offered by these growth occupations should also be considered when choosing a job or career. While wage projections by occupations are not available, a look at the median weekly earnings of wage and salary workers who usually work full time, by occupation, provides additional job resource information.

Table 1 shows employment by major occupational groups in 2000 and projections for 2010. Table 2 shows the occupations with the fastest job growth over the 2000-2010 period. Table 3 shows the occupations with the largest numerical job growth over the 2000-2010 period. Table 4 shows the median weekly earnings in 2001 for some of the occupations expected to have fast job growth or large numerical job growth over the 2000-2010 period. If employment is projected to increase 36 percent or more, a job is considered to grow much faster than average; an increase of 21 to 35 percent, faster than average; an increase of 10 to 20 percent, growth about as fast as average; an increase of 3 to 9 percent, more slowly than average; an increase of zero to 2 percent, little or no change; and a decrease of 1 percent or more, a decline (see Table 1).

Table 1
Employment by Major Occupational Group, 2000 and Projected 2010
(numbers in thousands)
Text Version

Employment Change
Occupational group 2000 2010 Number Percent

Total, all occupations 145,594 167,754 22,160 15.2

Management, business,
and financial occupations 15,519 17,635 2,115 13.6
Professional and related occupations 26,758 33,709 6,952 26
Service occupations 26,075 31,163 5,088 19.5
Sales and related occupations 15,513 17,365 1,852 11.9
Office and administrative
support occupations 23,882 26,053 2,171 9.1
Farming, fishing, and forestry occupations 1,429 1,480 51 3.6
Construction and extraction occupations 7,451 8,439 989 13.3
Installation, maintenance,
and repair occupations 5,820 6,482 662 11.4
Production occupations 13,060 13,811 750 5.7
Transportation and
material moving occupations 10,088 11,618 1,530 15.2

Source: U.S. Department of Labor, Bureau of Labor Statistics, Monthly Labor Review, November 2001.

<link> http://www.dol.gov/wb/factsheets/hotjobs03.htm

Ops, they were exdpecting 22.2 million new jobs from 2000 to 2010 and Dubya lost 1.8 million jobs so far. Like the national debt, we are getting further and further behind:wtf:
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oneighty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 04:58 PM
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26. Fishing?
Hahahahahahahahahahaha

180---former fisherman.

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HughBeaumont Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 11:41 AM
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5. Even the "Next Big Thing" won't save us.
Anything that can be done in a lab can be done overseas.

Anything that can be done on a PC can be done overseas.

Anything that doesn't require face-to-face communication can be done overseas (and even at that, they could visa those professions to death).

Anything that can be assembled can be done overseas.

Any new, emerging technology isn't bound by location and can be done overseas.

All for way less than Americans.

Nothing is safe, no one is untouchable.

This isn't a knock on foreign peoples. Their cost of living is simply cheaper than ours.

It's amazing that people who have zero clue or care about losing their job (such as Shrubya) are so quick to make judgements as to why others are losing theirs.

It's COST not KNOWLEDGE, Lancelot Link! WAKE UP!!!!
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soundfury Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 12:07 PM
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10. Well said, no one is untouchable. NT
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WilmywoodNCparalegal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 11:42 AM
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6. Here are some
Ground Beef Design Engineer = hamburger patty maker
Ground Beef Mechanical Rotation Technician = hamburger flipper
Intermittent Labor Relations Consultant = one who works temp jobs with no benefits
Sanskrit Mandarin Goodwill Ambassador = outsourcer of jobs
Life Culturist = assistant in home for unwedded mothers
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soundfury Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 02:35 PM
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12. That's really funny and it's fucking sad too. NT
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 11:47 AM
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7. Mercenary, Arms Dealer, Imperial Storm Trooper, Prison Guard,
Shill, Scavenger, Snitch.

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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 11:47 AM
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8. let's not forget
armed foreign policy specialist = bullet catcher
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venus Donating Member (527 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 12:53 PM
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11. I sacrificed and trained myself at my own expense
in the IT industry - over 20 years working in the major telecom and DoD industries and started my own company. Gained decades of hands-on experience, and cannot gain any type of work related to my field. I'm going back to school to earn an advanced degree on a personal loan, to learn what I already know so I'll have the quals on my resume. But I don't think it will do much good because of my age. It's hard to compete with the sons and daughters of hiring managers who worked hard to put their kids through school and believe those of similar means (albeit many families struggle to achieve this) deserve the jobs, not those older Americans with experience. Also what used to be termed "small business" has been co-opted by large companies because they were able to get the government regulations changed to include companies with millions in revenues thousands of employees. It's almost impossible to compete with these companies and you end up being a subcontractor/consultant if your lucky and pray your prime contractor allows you to share in the bounty once they win a major procurement.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 02:43 PM
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13. The day is coming when our children will
log on at home and their lessons will be delivered over the internet by some India-based education conglomerate. Kids' questions about what they are learning will be sent by e-mail to be answered - or not- by nameless, faceless "study assistants" making a few cents an hour. This will happen in response to tight budgets and "no child left behind" which is only interested in test scores anyway. Just teach the kids the test over the computer and save millions. I can see school districts shutting their doors all over America.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 02:54 PM
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14. Safe jobs of the 21st century
Edited on Thu Oct-14-04 02:56 PM by LibDemAlways
Mortician - people will continue to die - particularly if repukes stay in power - and cold bodies can't simply lie around.
Sports hero/Movie star - unemployed people have plenty of time on their hands and require entertainment.
Politician - someone needs to make the laws that screw the rest of us.
Manual laborer - People are still needed to build McMansions for the wealthy.
Soldier - repukes need an endless supply of these.
Maids/Servants - repukes don't clean their own houses, so these jobs are safe.
Hookers - always needed at repuke conventions and other meetings where CEO types gather. Give new meaning to the words "service economy"!


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soundfury Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 03:17 PM
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15. add to your list, driving a truck NT
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 03:29 PM
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16. e-Slavery, or Servicing Those Too Stupid To Service Themselves
They mean, though they don't really understand, that service jobs and computer jobs will magically unite, thus providing employment to everyone accredited and/or networked enough to find it. The majority of these jobs, you see, are being outsourced to ensure a strong corporate market presence, because stockholders are their primary concern, not you. However, if you just bite the bullet for, say, a decade, until these cheap offshore resources are tapped out, you'll find yourselves in a thriving trickle-down economy chock full of minimum wage electronic service jobs open to anyone under 30.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 03:31 PM
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17. Nursing assisitants.
Not nurses but aides.
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 03:36 PM
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18. personal servants to the very rich
Butler, footman, maid, housekeeper, cook, gardener, chauffeur, bodyguard etc. The alternative is cannon fodder for their wars.

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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 03:45 PM
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19. Can they outsource Suicide too?
I guess we already did, his name is Bush and the bastard is killing me! I hope the 'Compassionate Conservatives' are keeping a body count of suicides here at home related to the worst economy in modern times, and I hope God makes these ruthless cold hearted bastards burn in Hell for the suffering they are causing innocent American families!
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Sven77 Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 04:03 PM
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20. jobs in 1984
the jobs for the future under the Bush 1984 job plan are mostly security. Jobs working at prisons, watching citizens on videocams, law enforcement, military. all will pay squat and enslave the population.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 04:34 PM
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22. Historical Document Editor
After all, Oceania is at war with Eurasia. Oceania has ALWAYS been at war with Eurasia...
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 04:19 PM
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21. Mental health professionals
Mental illness must be fast approaching epidemic proportions in the U.S. How else can you explain the current state of affairs?

All those fundies will need therapy when they finally realize Bush is not the second-coming. Out of work and deep in debt, means emotional breakdown. Substance abuse counseling for those who simply can't cope with the realities of the "New World Order." Anger and grief management for those whose lose family members in the Crusades. All those disillusioned, left-behind children. Soon, the VA will provide plenty of patients, too.

"The future's so bright, I gotta wear shades!"
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Chovexani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 04:35 PM
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23. Wal-Mart greeter (n/t)
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 04:37 PM
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24. Agriculture? Definitely healthcare
I think that this might be one of the biggest ironies. I believe that the continuation of food production in the United States is a national security issue. With rising fuel costs, that will be even more true in the future. In the future, perhaps, agriculture will provide most of our fuel as well.
Really though, health care will continue to be a personal service. I suppose if health care costs get too high there might be some cuts there as well though. Health care isn't just about making diagnosis. Babies need delivered. Seriously sick and disabled individuals need regular care. Most medical tests need the technician, nurse, or doctor to be right there. Currently, I would advise young people inclined to that sort of thing to go into it. Every area of the country needs such people. It is unlikely that every area hospital will close or something. It seems that more are being built and existing ones tend to be expanding.
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amandabeech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 04:38 PM
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25. All of this assumes that depleting oil reserves will be replaced
by something else. In my humble opinion, this is not going to happen. Hydrogen requires a lot of energy to liberate from the compounds in which it is bound and is very difficult to handle. Natural gas will be declining and we all know the problems with coal. Solar and wind are great, but they are not in the right place and often not at the right time.

The cost of gasoline and diesel will go up and up and up, meaning that the cost of transportation from any remote location will go up and up. Currently, the world is using approx. 84 million barrels of oil 365 days a year. We are using 20 million barrels of that, and producing 7 or 8 million. One barrel of oil is equal to 42 gallons. In 2025, there may only be 55 barrels a day of increasingly low quality oil that is expensive and energy-intensive to turn into gasoline and diesel. We will only be producing 3-4 million.

I think that dislocations caused by energy shortages make any prediction outside perhaps the next ten years very, very uncertain.

What is certain is that the Bushites and their allies will continue to do their best to reduce all of us to absolute poverty.
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