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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 04:17 PM
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Dear DUers - One more debate review - would love your reaction.
MANY thanks in advance - the debates are over, as are my postmortems! You guys make me smile out of both sides of my mouth...


10/14/04

The Human Touch

By calimary

I waited til the morning after to write this assessment of the final debate between John Kerry and George W. Bush. It seemed a better idea to sleep on it. Ironically, it was the bedroom issues, in a much broader sense, as well as the human, personal touches that lead me more eagerly to award the blue ribbon to Kerry.

To Mr. Bush’s credit, I will say that, at least this time, it appears he switched to decaf. Somebody evidently got to him about the emotional outbursts and aggressiveness he showed in our last episode, wherein he partially ran over the moderator, and spent most of his time barking at us, in an attempt to show how resolute and forceful he could be. This time he was somewhat more toned down. Well, yeah, there was more podium pounding. More stomping on every syllable of such words as “exaggerated.” WHY, whenever he does this, am I ALWAYS reminded of my fellow dorm party animals back during college, after we’d all had a few-dozen too many cheap-o wine coolers, when we thought that over-enunciating our words would prove how sober we still were? Or maybe he just wants to demonstrate how he can, too, pronounce those five-dollar words, even while he makes weak jokes about his wife having a better command of the English language than he does. By the way, did you catch the decidedly uncomfortable “laughter” from the audience after that one? Is this an attribute we REALLY want in a President of the United States – who has to speak to a lot of smart guys (both here AND around the world, too) as well as others who may not be?

Somebody also got to Bush about his smirk. It popped up a few times but wasn’t the story of the debate, as we saw, nonstop, the first time onstage that John met George. Instead, it appears someone had nagged him, nonstop, to smile. Keep smiling. In fact, do it with a slightly open mouth. If you purse your lips, George, you smirk. None of that! Keep your lips slightly parted. Unfortunately, this is a guy who probably doesn’t ever ask for directions, let alone follow them well. We got that open-mouthed smile, one that seemed artificially plastered into place, but crooked. It isn’t even a smile anymore. It’s too forced. It’s more like a diagonal line, starting high up on the right, ending down low on the left. Reflects his politics, I suppose. But it looked awfully unnatural just the same, as though he did not come by it honestly.

Occasionally, the smirk still snuck in there. For Bush, I suspect by now, it’s a lifetime habit and therefore unavoidable. But the smile, the chuckles (also seeming rather forced) and outright laughs that came along too frequently with his answers and responses just seemed inappropriate. Particularly when some of these pertained to issues that too many other Americans don’t regard as laughing matters. Bush came off as disingenuous. Taking nothing seriously, and I’m not just talking that aw-shucks, regular-guy schtick he’s made his hallmark. It appears he doesn’t take serious things seriously, either. Excusable when you’re a Jay Leno or David Letterman, but not when you’re the president.

Which brings me to Kerry (well, DUH!) who actually scored a subtle but exquisite coup in this department during the final debate. One huge, overriding complaint about John Kerry is that he’s a cold fish – a little too serious and sober, droning and boring, maybe a little too edjumacated and high-fallutin’, doncha know? Again and again I’ve heard people remark how different he seems during personal appearances from the tall gray stone-face you see during brief clips on the news. You got to see the human side of John Kerry in the last joust, and in a splendid way. It occurred during the concluding question – about the women in these men’s lives. Bush gave a somewhat predictable spiel that observers say they’ve already heard on the campaign trail. He’s got this one down. The single thing about George Bush that I actually do find sincere is his affection for his wife, and to a lesser extent, his daughters. This I don’t think is phony or manipulative. And he got the expected laughs from the audience when he talked about how the womenfolk in his life have taught him to stand up straight and not scowl.

But when Kerry’s turn came, there was a flash of nothing less than unexpected brilliance. You assumed he’d talk about the controversial Teresa. He got good mileage out of a joke that all three of the men onstage, including moderator Bob Schieffer, had “married up.” The audience, and Schieffer, too, clearly liked that one. But even better was his sheepish follow-up about how some say that may apply more to him than to the others. Bigger laughs. Then he follows up again with a chuckle – “…but I can take it,” as the laughter continued. Meanwhile, on the other side of the stage, hardly any reaction from Bush except for that odd little smile that stayed laminated onto his face. Did he not join in the laughter because he didn’t want to enhance the point Kerry had just scored, or draw much attention to it, or did he perhaps just not get the joke? Or, on the other hand, did he betray that he didn’t REALLY agree with the joke, but instead rejected the idea that he, too, had “married up?” (Bush didn’t react to Kerry’s zinger comparing him to Tony Soprano talking about law and order, either.)

It was a master stroke on Kerry’s part, however. It was a great way for him to finish the questioning. You want a good punctuation mark at the end of a long sentence so the last note the audience takes away is a good one. Leave ‘em laughing. But even better, it was spontaneous. Uncoached. Unscripted. Genuine. Just something he threw in. A clear indicator of a quick wit, a nimble mind, and best of all, proof that he doesn’t take himself too seriously. He’s not just this big, boring, gray, stone-face, after all. He’s warm, engaging, approachable, easy-to-relate-to on a truly human level, obviously skilled at thinking on his feet as well as working without a net.

And this was JUST what he needed.

Plus, if you’ll recall from the first debate, Kerry displayed that same endearing, self-deprecating humor in his comments about his daughters. He and Bush both saw the topic as an opportunity for a little levity but Bush aimed downward while Kerry did the opposite. For Bush it was “I’d like to put a leash on ‘em.” For Kerry it was “I’ve learned not to do that” in sheepish tones – almost as though he was admitting that he’d come by this realization the hard way. And, again, spontaneous. Unscripted. Off the top of his head. Perhaps because it was very real from inside.

These are attributes I rather like to see in my president. Our leader has to be firm, knowledgeable, and steady, but also engaging, ready to handle any encounters with any personality type, either on the stump, in the media, or sitting at the negotiating table with friends and/or foes. I want someone who does nuance, who can deal with the broad spectrum of humanity with MANY tools in his toolkit, not just one or two, and who recognizes the rainbow has MANY colors and shades, not just mere black-and/or-white.

There were other standout moments during the fourth debate, of course. Kerry scored many more points, whether it was an incredibly noble and supportive comment about Mary Cheney, or his stirring take on his faith, or his wish to honor a woman’s right to choose (because he believes it happens to be between her, God, and her doctor). He gained more ground with quick reminders about the hypocrisy in Bush’s “I’m a uniter, not a divider” and the reality in this country and this government that completely disproves it; the secret meetings in the White House with special interests; the Democrats who are locked out of meetings and prevented from voting on urgent bills; Bush’s neglect of the NAACP and Congressional Black Caucus; the REAL reason so many more people are eligible for Pell Grants (because more people are needy now); his own gun ownership and lifelong love of hunting; and the assault-weapons crisis that helps make us LESS safe and secure as a country, particularly when Osama bin Laden’s own handbook describes how easily terrorists can arm themselves within our own borders, at our own gun shows.

Bush surprisingly avoided the annoying “he can run but he can’t hide” cliché he tried so hard to pound into our heads the last time he and Kerry sparred. I was waiting for it all evening, and was actually glad he either forgot it or left it out. He may have left out most of the smirking, but at numerous points during the debate I counted five or six uncomfortable blinks of his eyes to every single blink from Kerry. And there was an item or two that he probably should have left out (in addition to the too-obvious pounding on the podium – sure means it when he says he doesn’t do nuance). I was astonished to hear him deny that he’d ever said he wasn’t worried about Osama bin Laden. I was stunned by his assertion that veterans have VERY good health care (probably not the ones who were billed for their meals while hospitalized with injuries from Iraq, OR those threatened with the closure of their nearest VA hospital). I was staggered by the bald-face lie that so many of the tax cuts went to the middle class, and the stillborn attempt at a smack at CBS (a throwaway half-line about how it’s not credible to quote leading news organizations – “well, never mind”). I was blown away by his statement that he’s not into imposing his beliefs on anyone else (you don’t? Well, if it isn’t you, it sure is all your buddies who want to), and the codespeak to those same friends and supporters about the “armies of compassion” and the prayer that brings him “calmness” in the storms of the presidency.

I especially loved Bush’s declaration of love for the ability of people to bid their own contracts – he was talking about domestic issues but it made me yell at my TV – “like Halliburton?” Perhaps the best of all, after the “I never said I wasn’t worried about Osama” comment was his snickering dismissal of accountability on the subject of health insurance costs. “Who’s responsible?…I sure hope it’s not this administration! Heh-heh-heh.” Yes, we know. George. Yet again you’re going to do your damnedest to insist that you couldn’t possibly have made a mistake or been even partially at fault. Again, Bush, like Cheney before him, provided enough holes for his opponent to drive a Hummer through, but Kerry left these pretty much untouched. Maybe it was better to finesse them – leaving them as embarrassments hanging out there for all to see, like so many forgotten trouser zippers.

Kerry clinched this one, too. Yes, there was too much tedious number crunching – on both sides. But Kerry came off credible, prepared, informed, capable of handling any kind of fastball, and eminently warm, human, and accessible. What I saw was a display of the attributes I want to see in a President of the United States – how he comports himself, how he handles challenges, stress, uncertainty, and adversity, as well as openings for one-liners. I want more than smirks, smarmy, artificial smiles, whining, pablum and pat answers that suggest there was no thought put into them. I want someone who truly is presidential, not a guy who just plays one on TV – that is, when he’s not making excuses, avoiding responsibility, gaming the system, fudging the facts, misleading the faithful, or running off to another taxpayer-funded vacation.

Bush needed to hit this one out of the ballpark to get back on top of the game. He didn’t. Kerry needed merely to stay alive. He did, plus a little more. And what America finally got to see, at length, of John Kerry, is hopefully what we’ll all get on Election Night.

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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 04:31 PM
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1. very nice
I couldn't watch it all - I am so sick of hearing * talk. Thanks for the assessment.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 04:53 PM
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6. You just made me think of a conversation I had with my husband today:
There's a construction site next door. Lots of buzz-sawing, day after day. From the other room I could hear some report on a bush campaign stop today. It contained a soundbite of some of his blather. My husband said "I will be SO glad when that droning and sawing is over." I said "yeah, less than three weeks, now!" He said - "Uh-uh, they won't be finished next door in three weeks." I said "Oh, I thought you meant the bush campaign speeches." He started laughing, hard, and then started imitating bush's nasal vocal inflections.

I'm SO tired of hearing bush talk. I'm SO tired of that twang. My apologies to everybody who speaks with a Southern accent. Those accents do NOT ordinarily bother me. It's his that has me about to jump out of my skin. I'm SO anxious for the day when we don't have to listen to that anymore. I'm not even sure it's legitimate. Any more than his presidency is.
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:31 PM
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19. It's not his fake accent that bothers me, it's his attitude.
I find everything about his manner insulting, as though he thinks he is superior to ever one else. The thought of him representing us to foreign dignitaries is appalling.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:41 PM
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24. I think it's his sense of "entitlement."
It strikes me that the republi-CONS are guilty of the worst "entitlement program abuse" of them all. They're always fuming about the entitlements that supposedly cost us all too much. Well, theirs is the biggest, most shameless, and most flagrantly greedy of the bunch - they seem to feel they're "entitled" to the White House.

I remember how shocked some of 'em acted when Clinton won in 1992. They acted like something was just, well, WRONG! It wasn't supposed to be this way! There's ALWAYS supposed to be a republi-CON in the White House! How dare this guy come in and beat us and throw us out of there? bush in particular behaves as though it were his birthright. No wonder he doesn't want to answer questions or explain himself. He's simply OWED this. It's his birthright to run the White House. There just shouldn't BE any questions about it, period.
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 04:31 PM
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2. Nicely stated
Edited on Thu Oct-14-04 04:31 PM by bif
I agree with everything you say. Very eloquent. You should use this as a LTTE.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 04:48 PM
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5. Thanks! It's way too long, but man, would I love to...
Long enough that they'd probably run screaming into the night when they saw it.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 04:38 PM
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3. Excellent
and there's another disaster that you didn't bring up, and I thought was one of the biggest ones.

Paraphrasing:

"What do you say to someone who has lost his or her job due to outsourcing?"

"We'll help put you through your local community college."

I guess nobody with higher than high school education has lost their jobs.

3 times last night he went into his "education" charade completely unrelated to the question he received, literally fucking with our brains -- I was like "um... I thought it was a different question he was asked". It wasn't even dodging the question, it was blatantly, absurdly talking about something totally different.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:00 PM
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9. I realized by the time I'd reached four pages that it was getting a
little long in the tooth. There was still so much I left out. So many points I made note of - I spilled over my last notebook during the last debate and had to go grab extra paper, so this was my second notebook on this stuff.

He kept dodging back into the education issue every time he was hit with a question he probably couldn't even begin to answer. I read one of the assessments that talked about this convenient little dodge, AND Kerry's making a point about his evasiveness, maybe three different times. I think it was this Slate article:

http://slate.msn.com/id/2108121

One thing I can say about bush - he sure does generate material. Horror stories mainly.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 04:48 PM
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4. great! and I SO agree on this point....
But the smile, the chuckles (also seeming rather forced) and outright laughs that came along too frequently with his answers and responses just seemed inappropriate. Particularly when some of these pertained to issues that too many other Americans don’t regard as laughing matters.

as you'll see in my little rant "GEORGE, it's just NOT funny!"

brava!
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 04:55 PM
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7. Didn't it seem as though he thought EVERYTHING was funny
last night?

It could be that leer that he has - where he's got this smile he forces at you, kinda like he's trying to sell you some used car. I find it extremely off-putting. Sometimes I even find myself leaning backwards, away from it. I REALLY felt that way during that "town hall" debate.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:02 PM
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11. absolutely. EVERYTHING was funny to him
here's MY debate review... (though you may have seen it already)

PAYGO (The Banana Boy Song) - with apologies to Harry Belafonte

PAY-GO, PAY-AY-AY-GO
WATCH THE MONKEYS FLY OUTTA HIS BUTT
LIE, THAT'S A LIE, THAT'S A LIE, THAT'S A LIE, THAT'S A LIE, NO EXAGGERATION
WATCH THE MONKEYS FLY OUTTA HIS BUTT

WORKING HARD THE BOY STILL SMIRKS
(ELECTION COME AND WE SEND HIM HOME)
UNEMPLOYED ARE JUST DUMB JERKS
(ELECTION COME AND WE SEND HIM HOME)

COME LITTLE BUBBLE BOY, FREEPERS LOVE YOUR GIGGLIN'
(ELECTION COME AND WE SEND HIM HOME)
COME LITTLE BUBBLE BOY, WATCH HIS SPITTLE FLYIN'
(ELECTION COME AND WE SEND HIM HOME)

IT'S SPUTTER, STUTTER, MUTTER, GRIN!
(ELECTION COME AND WE SEND HIM HOME)
SPUTTER, STUTTER, MUTTER, GRIN!
(ELECTION COME AND WE SEND HIM HOME)

PAY-GO, PAY-AY-AY-GO
WATCH THE MONKEYS FLY OUTTA HIS BUTT
LIE, THAT'S A LIE, THAT'S A LIE, THAT'S A LIE, THAT'S A LIE, NO EXAGGERATION
WATCH THE MONKEYS FLY OUTTA HIS BUTT

OH BAD OSAMA BUSH IS GONNA GET 'EM
(ELECTION COME AND WE SEND HIM HOME)
BUT NOW BUSH SAYS HE CAN FORGET 'EM
(ELECTION COME AND WE SEND HIM HOME)

IT'S SPUTTER, STUTTER, MUTTER, GRIN!
(ELECTION COME AND WE SEND HIM HOME)
SPUTTER, STUTTER, MUTTER, GRIN!
(ELECTION COME AND WE SEND HIM HOME)

PAY-GO, PAY-AY-AY-GO
WATCH THE MONKEYS FLY OUTTA HIS BUTT
LIE, THAT'S A LIE, THAT'S A LIE, THAT'S A LIE, THAT'S A LIE, NO EXAGGERATION
WATCH THE MONKEYS FLY OUTTA HIS BUTT

COME LITTLE BUBBLE BOY, COME AND SLAP THE TABLE
(ELECTION COME AND WE SEND HIM HOME)
COME LITTLE BUBBLE BOY, SHOW US YOU'RE UNSTABLE
(ELECTION COME AND WE SEND HIM HOME)

PAY-GO, PAY-AY-AY-GO
WATCH THE MONKEYS FLY OUTTA HIS BUTT
LIE, THAT'S A LIE, THAT'S A LIE, THAT'S A LIE, THAT'S A LIE, NO EXAGGERATION
WATCH THE MONKEYS FLY OUTTA HIS BUTT

IN A LANDSLIDE






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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:06 PM
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14. Y'know, I caught these lyrics of yours in another thread and I really
Edited on Thu Oct-14-04 05:07 PM by calimary
had to try them out. They work JUST GREAT!

This is the kind of stuff I gather your "Question W Revue" was FILLED with, 'eh? VERY clever!

on edit - SHEESH, I DO know how to spell "Revue" in this context... sorry!
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:12 PM
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15. oh yeah! the revue was
about 50% parody, 50% original songs (with my lyrics)

these were NOT in the revue but....

'CAUSE DICK DOESN'T HAVE A HEART (to the tune of "If I Only Had a Heart")

WHEN A MAN'S A CORPORATE CRONY
HIS CURSES ARE NOT PHONY,
AND HIS BREATH IS JUST A FART.
YOU'RE A FOOL IF YOU'RE ASSUMIN'
THAT HE'S EVEN VAGUELY HUMAN
'CAUSE DICK DOESN'T HAVE A HEART

AS HE SHILLS FOR HALLIBURTON
OUR SOLDIERS TAKE THE BURDEN
HE'S RAISED THAT TO AN ART
HIS FRIENDS FILL THEIR COFFERS
WITH HIS UNCONTESTED OFFERS
'CAUSE DICK DOESN'T HAVE A HEART

PICTURE DICK, THAT NOXIOUS PRICK
HIS HAND UP DUBYA'S BUTT
MAKES SURE KEN LAY GETS HIS CUT
HE SCREWS THE TROOPS,
HOW CUTE!
IT'S THE NEOCON AGENDA
TO SPREAD A FEAR OF TERRA...
THAT'S REALLY OFF THE CHART.
HE'S A CESSPIT OF EVIL
AND DECEPTION IS HIS ONE SKILL
'CAUSE DICK DOESN'T HAVE A HEART


I HAVEN'T GOT A SPINE (To the tune of "If I Only Had the Nerve")

IT'S A DRAG BELIEVE ME CONDI
TO BE CALLED AN 'UNCLE TOMMY'
AND TOE THE BUSHCO LINE
BUT I COULD FOIL THE FATE'S PLAN
IF I'D ONLY BE A STATESMAN
BUT I HAVEN'T GOT A SPINE

IT'S A SHAM I'M DIGNIFYIN'
BUT I'M JUST TOO GOOD AT LYIN'
AND MICHAEL GETS TO SHINE
SO I'LL REMAIN A TOKEN
'CAUSE MY COURAGE HAS BEEN BROKEN
AND I HAVEN'T GOT A SPINE
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:34 PM
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21. So maybe you should consider a follow-up to the Question W Revue?
I mean, these guys DO generate material. Exquisitely lampoonable material.

Wonder what the market would be? Might even be a public service, to keep people reminded of what crooks these guys are/were. At any rate, I'm glad you're sharing some of it here! It's devilishly clever.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:53 PM
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29. actually, I am considering a follow-up!
tentative title:

LAME DUCK l'ORANGE but, I'm not sure I should gloat.... ;-)

would use about half the ?W material, and lots of new stuff, post-election... ASSUMING, of course!, a Kerry win (IN A LANDSLIDE)

very glad you like the work! I respect your opinion.

I *may* post the entire script to ?W (in the Meeting Room) for those who could not attend. my plan to have a video or DVD fell through because of union rules regarding my cast...




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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 04:59 PM
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8. What a great read
I sailed through it nodding my head all the way. You nailed it, the forced, plastered on smile and excessive blinking from Bush was almost worse than the scowling of the first debate, which at least looked a natural expression of what he felt.

In the 10th or 11th paragraph you referred to this as the fourth debate. Did you mean fourth overall with the VP debate added in? That wasn't perfectly clear.

:thumbsup:
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:03 PM
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12. Yeah. The fourth debate overall.
Sorry about that. I tend to lump 'em together. Glad you liked it!
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info being Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:00 PM
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10. We think alike.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:03 PM
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13. Thanks!
Hugs!
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Cronus Protagonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:16 PM
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16. Nominated. Good job.
Nice, easy writing style, thoughtful content, a great read. Thanks.

"So I don't worry about, and people shouldn't
worry about a draft. . . I think we're in good
shape, I really do. And, if not, we'll -- I'll address
the nation
. But I don't see any need to right now."

- G. W. Bush (Source: The Whitehouse)

http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13



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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:29 PM
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18. Thank you back!
Hugs! - The Sequel.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:21 PM
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17. Very nice but I'm surprised you left out one of the most memorable
Edited on Thu Oct-14-04 05:41 PM by Bandit
comments from Kerry for the entire evening. Kerry was talking about his dying mother's last words to him. Integrity...Integrity...Integrity. Very very powerful stuff. A Mother's last words to her son are to be cherished forever and to have those words to be so compelling is just astounding. Not to mention the fact that it makes Bush* look very small by comparison especially considering the fact that Bush* can not be truthful at any time. Other than that slight your critique is excellent.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:31 PM
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20. Such a great point.
There were many to glean from last night's debate. I had to leave so much out. Shouldn't have omitted this one, certainly.

Maybe I oughta turn it into another column...

By the way, "memerable" is SIMPLY HEAVENLY!
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:40 PM
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23. I need to use spell check more often for sure
:spank: I be bad bad boy
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:42 PM
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25. Huh? I thought you did that deliberately.
Heck, just say you did anyway. It's VERY good.
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:35 PM
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22. I was moved by that too.
I had the sense that Mrs. Kerry was a wonderful mother who raise a son she could be very proud of.
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:46 PM
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26. Kerry basically shows himself to be a man who isn't a bit intimidated
by strong, brainy, competent, outspoken, talented, "happening" women. His choice of spouse tells me just as much about him as it does about her. I happen to LOVE Teresa. She's MY kind of gal. Kerry has spent his life surrounded by women who bring a LOT to the table. And he isn't a bit threatened by that.

Amazing how threatened so many people are by Teresa. And what a contrast she is to the Stepford Wife-type bush picked. Obviously Kerry's mom was a woman of great substance, as well.
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:46 PM
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27. You really articulated something that resonated with me.
"These are attributes I rather like to see in my president. Our leader has to be firm, knowledgeable, and steady, but also engaging, ready to handle any encounters with any personality type, either on the stump, in the media, or sitting at the negotiating table with friends and/or foes. I want someone who does nuance, who can deal with the broad spectrum of humanity with MANY tools in his toolkit, not just one or two, and who recognizes the rainbow has MANY colors and shades, not just mere black-and/or-white."

We are so in need of a leader that is more than 2 dimensional. We need someone who inspires us.

I used to be ABB. John Kerry made a convert of me last night.

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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:50 PM
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28. YOWZA! WAY cool!
He DID do a good job, didn't he. And it's one that wears well, obviously. Viewers and listeners seem to have come around more to him through the next day after all these debates (similar thing with Edwards). I guess he just really grows on people. I've never met John Kerry or seen him up close. But people who have say this stuff from their own experience. Looks like others all over the country have picked up on this. I'm glad he made such sense to you. It appears you are NOT alone, either.
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chelaque liberal Donating Member (981 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-14-04 05:59 PM
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30. I liked John Edwards more after the Leno Show.
Edited on Thu Oct-14-04 05:59 PM by chelaque liberal
It's funny, during the debate I kept picking up an artificially polite affect that I associate with white southern culture. I lived in Atlanta for 18 years and am sensitive to it because it doesn't seem honest. Edwards got REAL on Leno.
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