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YankeeFan Donating Member (217 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:42 AM
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Is he Left Wing, Right Wing, or What?
http://www.blackmeninamerica.com/bmwag.htm

I got this via E-Mail. He has a point about this Gent.
Being black he should be voting for Senator Kerry.
But as he is an advocate AGAINST gun control, he might vote for Dubya.

Which way does everybody here think he’s going to vote for?

He is using Gun Control, which most of us Democrats are for, as a form of discrimination against Blacks.
But Rebubs, as a general rule, are against Gun Control.

I don’t believe he is going to vote for Nader. But beyond that, I don’t know.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:46 AM
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1. Tell him to watch the 3rd debate again. Shrub wants background
checks everywhere, including gun shows. I know, I was really surprised when I heard him say that. Must have pissed off the NRA folks!
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Nightowl_2004 Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:46 AM
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2. Isn't it possible that he's a repub for gun control?
Poltical Beleifs are not set in stone. I know a republican who has all the typical conservative beliefs but is pro-stem cell research and pro-gay marriage. It's not rare to find someone who backs a candidate/party but isn't with them on ALL their Stances.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:48 AM
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3. Right wing. 10 to 1 he is a Bush voter.
"The Lord is using me, a soldier, a gun toting, bible-believing servant to reach those just like me. I was never a choirboy. My language used to be very colorful. I have done just about everything or seen just about everything under heaven. I am uniquely qualified to listen, to hear and to help. Through God's grace and mercy I am given contacts, friends, blessings and words to help you through your situation. God loves you. And He has sent me to make it known."


I don't disagree with his ideas about gun ownership but
this guy is a end timer for sure.

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Lone_Wolf_Moderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:55 AM
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5. Not to nitpick,
but how does believing God has a purpose for your life make you a right-winger? I believe God has a purpose for all of us. Frankly, I can't really tell his political leaning. He does seem to be against gun control though, and that's not necessarily bad.
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not systems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 01:18 AM
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8. Ask him how he feels about...
reproductive choice he could be as open minded as I'm sure you are.

But I doubt it.

He seems like the Bush loving type to me.

It is very nice of you to have an opinion about the sky god's plans for
me but I find that to be an invasive of my personal spiritual space.

So no thanks.

I find end timers to be creepy and a threat to my worlds future.

I get the feeling he is one.
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gospelized Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:49 AM
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4. tell him to look at it this way
i remember in the 2000 election, a reporter interviewed an NRA lady and asked her why she wasn't voting for gore. she said "because he wants to take away my guns." and the reporter asked her what kind of gun control there should be. she said "i think we should register all guns." well, gore was only for the registration of NEW guns. so in reality she was for scricter gun control than the person who supposedly wanted to take them away.

kerry is not going to take his guns away. he may be for slightly more restrictions than bush (against assault weapons), but no matter which wins nothing will change with the second ammendment.

besides, kerry is a hunter and a gun enthusiast. he would never ever "take guns away," that is a myth invented by the right wing to scare their base.

it's the same as abortion. people who are anti-abortion and vote for bush solely for that fact are kidding themselves, because bush can not do anything about abortion. he can't make it illegal. nothing will change with abortion regardless of who wins the election.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 01:04 AM
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7. You're wrong re: abortion
Yes, he can.

The next president will be appointing 1-3 new justices to the Supreme Court because Rehnquist, Sandra Day O'Connor and John Paul Stevens are expected to retire. O'Connor is often the "swing vote".

If Bush gets a second term, he very well could appoint 3 new justices that would not only overturn Roe V. Wade, but change constitutional interpretation for decades with no recourse.
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gospelized Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 02:37 AM
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11. oh yeah
:(
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lgardengate Donating Member (341 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 12:59 AM
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6. Seems like a Bush supporter (i think) n/t
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FlemingsGhost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 01:40 AM
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9. Should I start caring?; Vol 2
What's important, is this man votes. Beyond that, it is no ones business.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 02:12 AM
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10. Reply
Poltical Beleifs are not set in stone. I know a republican who has all the typical conservative beliefs but is pro-stem cell research and pro-gay marriage. It's not rare to find someone who backs a candidate/party but isn't with them on ALL their Stances.

See, this is why I wish we had a multi-party representative democracy in this country. What we have is more akin to a two-party duopoly, and some would say it's just an oligarchy that monopolizes the levers of power, an oligarchy with a left wing and a right wing. As a result, anyone who enters government must conform to one paradigm or the other. If one believes in social programs but wants to put the 10 Commandments in every classroom in the country, he's out of luck if he doesn't want to pigeonhole himself as one or the other.

The election system itself does not help. It simply does not allow for more than two parties in the big picture. The Electoral College and the lack of run-off elections or even instant run-offs for all federal seats act as a barrier. Any third parties that do attempt to get in only fragment the electorate and give the party with the plurality the victory, and the plurality could be way below the 50 percent mark.

In 2000, nationwide, no one reached the 50 percent mark plus one vote. If I remember correctly, Gore had something like 48.8 percent, and Bush had 48.6 percent, and Nader was in there as well. If the election was based on the popular vote, Gore would have won, but because of the College, Bush won. Also, if run-off elections were allowed, not only would Nader have been eliminated in the first round of national elections thus addressing the issue of fragmentation, in all likelihood, Gore would have won because the 2nd round would have simply pitted Gore against Bush, and all those who voted for Nader could choose either as an alternate, and they say Nader had more Gore votes than Bush.

If this was the case, Nader entering the race would have had no consequence to the outcome, since he would not have advanced to the 2nd round. Gore would have probably won if we assume Nader took more of his votes than Bush's. As a result, there would be no barrier to voting third parties anymore because the primary reason for not voting third parties, fragmenting the electorate, would be addressed.
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