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Mr2005 Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 02:43 AM
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Bush and Kerry: A fake choice




WHAT WE THINK
Behind Bush and Kerry’s narrow debate...
A fake choice

October 15, 2004 | Page 3

“THESE FIRST three debates,” New York's Newsday declared in an editorial, “have been scintillating and revelatory. Nobody who has listened can come away saying there is no difference between the candidates.”
In St. Louis, a “town hall” meeting with a carefully selected audience, almost all of them white, asking pre-screened questions--that’s scintillating? Two candidates who spend days being drilled by their handlers and advisers about how to squeeze their standard, non-committal sound bites into the form of answers--that’s revelatory?

Conservative columnist George Will gave the more honest view: “Presidential debates are to real debates as processed cheese is to cheese. They are preceded by elaborate negotiations to prevent the unseemly outbreak of anything debate-like, such as a sustained development, and critique, of arguments.”

Like everything about Election 2004, the debates between the Democratic and Republican presidential tickets have been designed to highlight the candidates’ limited disagreements--while hiding the much larger areas of basic agreement on fundamental questions.

Take the U.S. occupation of Iraq. Once you cut through Kerry’s narrow criticisms of how the Bush administration carried out its war on Iraqis--and Bush’s whining complaints about Kerry’s “flip-flopping”--the two candidates have almost identical answers to the question of what happens next: keep U.S. soldiers on the ground, get other countries (somehow) to contribute forces for the occupation, make sure a pliant Iraqi government is installed, and, above all, crush all resistance, wherever it emerges.

When the questions turned to domestic policy at the St. Louis “town hall” debate, Kerry emphasized his record of support for conservative policies first championed by Republicans--the vicious welfare “reform” law passed under Bill Clinton, law-and-order legislation that put more cops on the street, balancing the federal government budget by slashing programs that benefit working people.

Even on an issue where there is a difference between the candidates--a women’s right to abortion--Kerry scrambled to put the matter in the conservative terms that have given up ground to the anti-abortion fanatics over a period of decades. And that’s not to mention the range of issues--from full-throated support for Israel’s apartheid, to opposition to gay marriage--where the two candidates agree.

What this illustrates is how far the two mainstream parties have together traveled to the right--a far greater distance than the differences, when they exist at all, between Bush and Kerry today.

And this, in turn, shows the truth about the two-party system. It isn’t designed to offer a real choice, or even a real discussion about important issues. The Republicans and Democrats exist as two wings of a single political establishment--and define the outside limits of debate to a narrow political spectrum that doesn’t contain anything which might threaten the system as a whole. Both parties are fueled by corporate cash--which gives the tiny minority of rulers veto power over what happens in Washington. They offer a “choice” on Election Day--but it is a fake choice.

Millions of people are looking at Election 2004--with a sense of urgency about the need to get rid of George Bush. That’s understandable. Everyone who stands for justice and democracy wants to see the end of Bush’s reign.

But John Kerry is proving with every debate appearance and every campaign speech that you can succeed in getting rid of Bush, but fail to get rid of Bushism--that the Bush agenda pursued relentlessly over the past four years can remain in place, with John Kerry and the Democrats running the show.

That’s because the “Bush agenda” doesn’t belong uniquely to the Republicans and the neoconservative hawks who inhabit the White House. It represents a program--for expanding U.S. power abroad, and defending the wealth and privileges of corporations and the ruling elite at home--that both parties of the Washington establishment are firmly committed to, even if they disagree at times over how to implement it.

What we need isn’t the least bad of these two rotten choices, but an alternative to the two-party duopoly. And you can show your support for that alternative in Election 2004--by supporting the independent campaign of Ralph Nader and Peter Camejo. Nader and Camejo oppose the U.S. occupation of Iraq; support union rights and the government programs that both Republicans and Democrats want to cut back; and represent a left-wing challenge to the political stranglehold of the two corporate parties.

Nader is far from a perfect candidate. He was wrong to accept the endorsement of the right-wing Reform Party--and now the ballot line of the Independence Party in New York. This undercuts his campaign’s stand for progressive politics--and the efforts of all the activists who worked so hard to get Nader on the ballot and to challenge the slanders against him from the Anybody But Bush liberals.

Still, Nader and Camejo represent a genuine alternative to politics as usual--and one that hasn't compromised in challenging the two corporate parties. They deserve your support.

http://www.socialistworker.org/2004-2/516/516_03_FakeChoice.shtml
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 02:49 AM
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1. hooo boy
<ducks for cover>
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Melodybe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 02:51 AM
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2. This is a democratic board, and Nader can kiss my fucking ass!
Edited on Fri Oct-15-04 02:51 AM by Melodybe
If you love democracy vote Kerry, otherwise get your worthless ass outta here.

Sorry to be rude, but there are 17 days left and we don't have time for this kinda stupid shit.

Nader is not on your side, he is not on the peoples side and for that fuck him.

I voted for Nader in 2000, and I regret that decision more than anything in my life.

Nader has no support, he is a front used by the media to justify stealing this election, if you can not see that after he has taken money from racists, anti-gay groups, and Bushco then you are to stupid to breathe.

This is a board dedicated to getting rid of Bush and his nazi's, it is a board dedicated to getting John Kerry elected, if you don't like it leave.
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Mr2005 Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 02:55 AM
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6. take it easy man !
i wonder why 2 parties, it should be more choices for american people not only BUSH OR KERRY both of them are same. American people need more choices in their lifes and more parties to have 100% right choice !


i do not support Nader but i am trying to have more choices.
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Selatius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:00 AM
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10. Hold on a second
Let the man post in peace! This is not Freeperville, at least I thought it was not. If I want to see people getting railed because they're the lone voice in the wilderness, I'd go to freerepublic, not here.

It is perfectly all right to disagree, but your response is uncalled for.
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 02:54 AM
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3. Thanks for trying to give us four more years of Bush!
There is no time for this idiocy. Nader was stupid in 2000. He proved himself a liar then, and he is more of an abomination now.
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 02:54 AM
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4. A vote for Nader...
...will NOT stop the Iraq war. A vote for Nader is a bullshit cop-out.
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 02:55 AM
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5. You've got to be kidding me.
Ralph Nader takes money from Republicans and right-wing, homophobic interest groups. He has said publicly that he would rather have Bush win the 2000 election. He first said in the 2000 campaign that he would not put his name on the ballot in swing states, and later reneged on that promise, which hurt Gore immensely in New Hampshire and Florida.

If you're a liberal, you have one candidate who supports 0% of your platform, and another who supports about 70% of your platform (despite his attempts to look centrist, Kerry really is pretty liberal). The third party candidate claims to support 100% of your platform, but that's easy for him to say, since he's never been elected to a goddamned thing and can't point to any legislative accomplishments to back up what he says he stands for. Not to mention the fact that he doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning even the 2.74% that he got last time, not to mention winning an actual election.

You can vote for 4 more years of the same, with Bush. You can vote for a real change, no matter what you think of John Kerry. Or you can vote for Nader. But it really is, now more than ever, a vote for Bush. Because now it's pretty much common knowledge that Nader is being backed by Republicans.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 02:56 AM
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7. Too long..anti Kerry..Locking
:)
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 02:57 AM
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8. Where is Socialist Underground?
I'd be happy to have a discussion with you about Nader there. Or at Nader Underground. This is DemocraticUnderground and we support John Kerry.

We need a big foot in the ass icon.
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Mr2005 Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 02:59 AM
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9. I DONT SUPPORT NADER ( I SUPPORT J.Kerry ) !
but better if we have more choices! and parties lol
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:00 AM
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11. But you posted an article
urging us to vote Nader... :crazy:
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Mr2005 Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:01 AM
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12. Pithlet at least nader not that fake like BUSH And Kerry lol
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:05 AM
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14. Then support Kerry
Until Nov 3, we don't have time for silly discussions about 3rd parties. And I don't have time for silly discussions with you. Like I told Forkboy, get in line or get out of the way.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:03 AM
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13. Now is the time for all good Democrats to come to the aid of their

party.

Not to criticize or talk about what might be in a different world, but to FOCUS on what can be done.


:kick:
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