KRS-One=Sistah Souljah?

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http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/living/people/9922815.htm?1c

<snip>
The hip-hop anarchist has declared his solidarity with al Qaeda by asserting that he and other African-Americans ''cheered when 9/11 happened,'' reports the New York Daily News.

''I say that proudly,'' the Boogie Down Productions founder went on, insisting that, before the attack, security guards kept black people out of the World Trade Center ``because of the way we talk and dress. . . . So when the planes hit the building, we were like, `Mmmm -- justice.' ''

The atrocity of 9/11 ''doesn't affect us ,'' he said. ''9/11 happened to them, not us,'' he added, explaining that by ''them'' he meant ``the rich . . . those who are oppressing us. RCA or BMG, Universal, the radio stations.''

Parker also sneered at efforts by other rappers to get young people to vote. ''Voting in a corrupt society adds more corruption,'' he added. ``America has to commit suicide if the world is to be a better place.''
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Could Kerry gain points by denouncing this scumbag bastard?

[noiretextatique]

1. i doubt it

most people don't know who he is, and most people don't care. clinton's stunt was idiotic, and i hope kerry doesn't repeat it.
what's with the use of the word thug and non-white men? seems an epidemic, of sorts.

[DrWeird]

2. Always with the "thug"

Thug is the new "uppity."

[geek tragedy]

4. Heaven forbid we insult those who gloat over mass murder.

And "thug" is used to describe ReTHUGlicans all the time, in case you hadn't noticed.

[noiretextatique]

8. this is

hardly newsworthy, or worthy of kerry's attention.
thug...it seems reserved for the osama's, saddamns and artistides of the world.

[DrWeird]

11. And more than likely taken out of context.

In response to the Daily News story, KRS released a statement on Thursday to explain his words.

"Like everyone," he wrote, "I was shocked to read that I and other African-Americans actually 'cheered when 9-11 happened,' and that I have 'declared my solidarity with Al Qaeda.'

"I would never just say something as crazy as 'we cheered when 9-11 happened'!" he continued. "I was making an objective point about how many hip-hoppas as well as the oppressed peoples of the world felt that day."

[noiretextatique]

17. ahh...totally mischracterized...that figures

another oppotunity for some freepers and DUers to unite in outrage.

[geek tragedy]

21. Not mischaracterized.

His apologists and defenders are the ones mischaracterizing.

[noiretextatique]

31. the man said he didn't say it

but i believe you :eyes:

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[noiretextatique]

38. well, i think you are correct

you seem to have an especial insight into this man, sort of like bush with putin...

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47. Actually, you're the one who seems to share his outlook and has

refused to criticize him for gloating over 3000 murders.

[noiretextatique]

67. please...i don't give FUCK

what some rapper says about 911 or anything else. i have no reason to "criticize" or "condemn" him, and certainly not because you think i should. he is entitled to his opinion.
i reserve my criticism and condemnation for bush, inc...the people who made it happen in the first place.
it's YOU i don't agree with, btw...your suggestion that kerry use this to score politcal points, in the style of clinton, is what this thread is about, correct?

[geek tragedy]

74. Well. You'll criticize me but not an idiot who thought 9/11 was justice

and thinks that African-Americans shouldn't vote.

Speaks volumes and volumes.

[DrWeird]

83. Do you think Sistah Souljah really wanted to go kill white people?

nt

[geek tragedy]

89. No, she only "jokingly" encouraged others too. n/t

[DrWeird]

97. Hang on a second. You use "jokingly" in quotation marks.

So I'll ask you again. Do you think Sister Souljah wanted people to go out and shoot white people?

[noiretextatique]

85. yes...i think your sistah souljah suggestion was reprehensible

you suggested that the democratic nominee use this for political gain. i still say doing that would be even more reprehensible than this rapper's opinion. he is not a candidate for a national office, he is not an elected official...he a fucking has-been rapper.

tell me...how does his opinion merit such attention? and why are you and others in such a tither about it?

[geek tragedy]

90. So advocating the exploitation of an idiotic rapper is worse than

telling African-Americans not to vote and taking satisfaction from the deaths of 3000 of one's fellow citizens?

As I said, very telling.

[noiretextatique]

92. oh wait...i was going to vote, but since KRS-1 said not to

now, i'm not going to vote :eyes: yeah...i'm an african american, and since this one has-been rapper said not to vote...i won't :eyes:
yeah...your pandering shit was reprehensible...nice try to run away from it though.
and since you are so worried about KRS-1 making african americans not vote...it makes your pandering suggestion even more stupid.

[geek tragedy]

98. Again, there is nothing reprehensible about running to the center

when the Presidency is at stake. It's stupid, red meat crap like this that can establish someone as "mainstream" on issues like crime, in the case of Souljah, and KRS, when it comes to national security.

[noiretextatique]

100. that's bullshit, and you KNOW IT...this is about RACE

and nothing else. and if the party that gets 90+% of the black vote panders to white racists...then KRS-1 may have had a point about the system being to corrupt to bother with voting.

[deutsey]

101. Well, it did work for Bush and Willie Horton, so maybe you have a point

:eyes:

[hughee99]

111. Not totally taken out of context...

Here's KRS' response

http://www.allhiphop.com/hiphopnews/?ID=3618
or
http://www.allhiphop.com/editorial/?ID=218 (which seems to be down)

From what I can see, although the language may have been taken a little out of context, in his response the sentiment is still there. It's not like he said something completely benign and he's being made out to be the Antichrist or anything. I applaud him for standing up and saying what he believes, I think everyone should... unfortunately, I find what he believes to be greatly disturbing.

[geek tragedy]

3. Souljah was good politics for Clinton.

"Thug" was polite compared to other words one could use for this individual. But I'll rephrase.

[noiretextatique]

6. good...

i'm black, and i thought it made him look foolish.

[geek tragedy]

7. I'm guessing he already had your vote.

It was pandering, but it worked.

[noiretextatique]

10. worked....hmmm

pandering to the fears of...whatever.
it didn't work for me.

[ulysses]

119. you're guessing he already had her vote

why?

[Heddi]

123. hmmmm

Yes, I do hope greek tragedy will pontificate upon that profound 'assumption'....

[Bluebear]

5. Thug is self-referential in hip-hop/rap genre

As in "Every thug needs a lady"...unfortunate glorification of criminal activity in one style of urban music.

[DrWeird]

13. So is "nigger"

That doesn't give one license to use it.

"unfortunate glorification of criminal activity in one style of urban music."

That's a bit of an oversimplification.

[Bluebear]

19. Oversimplification?

OK, let me go do a paper on it and I'll be back to expound on it in a couple hours.....LOL.

I don't 'license' either thug or nigger. Or Queer or faggot or anything disparaging. There's enough words in the language, yes?

[noiretextatique]

15. yeah...i'm sure that's what the poster meant

:eyes:

[geek tragedy]

18. Just call me a racist.

Or zip it. At least have the courage to say what you think.

Those who glorify violence are thugs. Those who believe in destroying democracy are thugs.

That goes for Karl Rove and KRS-One equally.

[noiretextatique]

20. your use of racist language

doesn't necessarily mean you are a racist. nor does your suggestion that kerry pander to racists. and if i thought you were a racist, i would have no problem calling you a racist.

[geek tragedy]

29. Wow, the PC police are out in full force.

Apparently, people who took satisfaction in the deaths of 3000 people and want to destroy democracy in America by suppressing the vote of African-Americans can't be described as thugs.

Reminds one of the "global test" fixation of the Rethugs. If you can't win an argument on the merits, focus on a few words, distort, and distract.

[DrWeird]

34. Help! Help! I'm being oppressed!

I can't use racial epitephs without getting called on it! What is the world coming to!

[geek tragedy]

50. "Thug" is a racial epithet?

Wow, I see it used all the time at DU. The moderators must be getting lazy.

[minkyboodle]

106. LOL

now you see the violence inherent in the system

[noiretextatique]

35. your president took satisfaction

he said it was a part of his trifecta.
but a black rapper is a lot more important, politically speaking.
i think you are correct...perhaps you should email kerry and tell him this black rapper's reaction to 911 is a lot more politically valuable to him than bush, inc's :eyes:

[DrWeird]

39. LOL.

I wonder if he's so quick to label the millions of Americans who cheered the bombings in Afghanistan and Iraq "thugs."

[geek tragedy]

44. Oh Jesus what a load of bullshit.

Comparing 9/11 and the bombing in Afghanistan. A pathetic and intellectually lazy argument.

I'm offended by people who take satisfaction from the deaths of 3000 innocent people.

But those people weren't "hiphoppas" according to this slimeball, so why should he care?

[noiretextatique]

48. what's the difference, exactly?

except...there are more dead people in afghanistan and iraq.

[geek tragedy]

52. You honestly don't understand the difference between 9/11

and Afghanistan?

Wow. Just, wow.

[DrWeird]

59. Let's see.

On 9-11 a military headquarters and a key financial center were hit.

In Afghanistan we blew up a Red Cross warehouse and a couple of weddings.

But lets pretend for now that killing innocent civilians because of phony revenge is justified...

How about Iraq?

[noiretextatique]

63. since iraq had nothing to do with 911

i eagerly await the response to this. perhaps it is more complex than "it's different when we do it"

[geek tragedy]

68. The Iraqi was an immoral enterprise.

But the compulsion to equate all bad things and all violent deaths is indicative of a simplistic view of the world.

[noiretextatique]

71. no really...it's the opposite that's simplistic

our dead are worth more than yours. especially since the same people are responsible for 911 and the destruction of iraq.

[geek tragedy]

75. So, is a deadly car accident the moral equivalent of a murder?

Or is the murder victim wrongly "overvalued?"

[DrWeird]

78. So you're saying we just accidently blew up those people in Iraq.

Whoops, sorry Sarge, I fired that missle on accident.

[geek tragedy]

87. There is a wide range of intent.

If a cop shoots at a bank robber but misses and hits a child, is he the same as someone who intentionally murders a child?

[DrWeird]

93. How about if the cop drops a bomb on a civilian neighborhood?

Your logic can go both ways.

The Pentagon and the WTC were just as valid a military target as what we're blowing up in Iraq. It's just as easy to say all those dead civilians are collateral damage.

So the only real difference is we've killed more civilians in Iraq then civilians killed on 9-11, we've got more and fancier guns, we're white and christian, they're brown and muslim.

Therefore we're the "good guys", they're the "bad guys."

Hmm, I see a pattern here.

[Name removed]

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[DrWeird]

113. Just as valid as mosques, and TV stations...

and all the other stuff we're blowing up in Iraq.

"The rest of your post is more of the same convoluted smears and intellectually lazy crap. Kind of a left wing mirror of W.

Have a nice life."

Is it too much to ask for you to show a little dignity when you're losing an argument?

[noiretextatique]

81. from the perspective of the dead

it's irrelevant. the point being...bush, inc is liable and responsible for 911 and for iraq.

[geek tragedy]

66. Wow, what a dishonest summary of those two events.

9/11: 3000 innocent people are TARGETED and murdered.

Afghanistan: The theocratic barbarians and terrorists responsible for 9/11 are thrown out of power. Tragically, as in all wars, innocent people are killed inadvertently and, in limited cases, recklessly and/or deliberately.

[DrWeird]

99. Hey, those 3000 were just collateral damage.

using your logic.

[noiretextatique]

46. nah...they're supporting the troops

in bombing the hell out of those *thugs* who have their oil.

[geek tragedy]

49. No oil in Afghanistan, dearie.

No pipeline either.

But there were thugs--the ones behind 9/11.

Or is it wrong to criticize them too? Maybe they're misunderstood. I'm sure you'll point out why I'm being unfair to them.

[DrWeird]

51. So why was Halliburton negotiating for a pipeline?

nt

[geek tragedy]

56. What pipeline is there?

Negotiations don't mean jack shit.

The fact that there hasn't been any construction on the pipeline three years after the US invaded kinda invalidates the stupid pipeline theory.

Especially since the pipeline can't be built because of the Bush admin's deliberate failure to stabilize the country.

[DrWeird]

62. Well, there's the 2 billion dollar Unocal pipeline...

that's getting built.

Maybe it's getting delayed, but Cheney's cronies are still getting rich.

Did you really fall for that bit about getting Osama?

[geek tragedy]

76. You apparently fell for the pipeline theory.

Bin Laden actually exists, unlike the pipeline.

[deutsey]

79. As I post below

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/afghan.html

The Afghan government under President Karzai has tried to revive the Trans-Afghan Pipeline (TAP) plan, with periodic talks held between the governments of Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Turkmenistan on the issue, but little progress appears to have been made as of early June 2004 (despite the signature on December 9, 2003, of a protocol on the pipeline by the governments of Afghanistan, Pakistan and Turkmenistan). President Karzai has stated his belief that the project could generate $100-$300 million per year in transit fees for Afghanistan, while creating thousands of jobs in the country.

Given the obstacles to development of a natural gas pipeline across Afghanistan, it seems unlikely that such an idea will make any progress in the near future, and no major Western companies have expressed interest in reviving the project. The security situation in Afghanistan remains an obvious problem, while tensions between India and Pakistan make it unlikely that such a pipeline could be extended into India and its large (and growing) gas market. Financial problems in the utility sector in India, which would be the major consumer of the natural gas, also could pose a problem for construction of the TAP line. Finally, the pipeline's $2.5-$3.5 billion estimated cost poses a significant obstacle to its construction.

[Zhade]

126. .

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[DrWeird]

80. Yes, bin Laden exists. In Pakistan.

We're in Afghanistan. Working on an oil pipeline.

I guess denial's not just a river in egypt.

[deutsey]

54. No pipeline?

Has this changed:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2017044.stm

:shrug:

[geek tragedy]

61. No pipeline exists in Afghanistan.

No construction on a pipeline in Afghanistan has taken place.

That article is over two years old. If they wanted that pipeline so much, why haven't they even started building it.

[Forkboy]

65. You answered your own question before

Not enough stability.

[deutsey]

69. Here's your answer, chief.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/afghan.html

The Afghan government under President Karzai has tried to revive the Trans-Afghan Pipeline (TAP) plan, with periodic talks held between the governments of Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Turkmenistan on the issue, but little progress appears to have been made as of early June 2004 (despite the signature on December 9, 2003, of a protocol on the pipeline by the governments of Afghanistan, Pakistan and Turkmenistan). President Karzai has stated his belief that the project could generate $100-$300 million per year in transit fees for Afghanistan, while creating thousands of jobs in the country.

Given the obstacles to development of a natural gas pipeline across Afghanistan, it seems unlikely that such an idea will make any progress in the near future, and no major Western companies have expressed interest in reviving the project. The security situation in Afghanistan remains an obvious problem, while tensions between India and Pakistan make it unlikely that such a pipeline could be extended into India and its large (and growing) gas market. Financial problems in the utility sector in India, which would be the major consumer of the natural gas, also could pose a problem for construction of the TAP line. Finally, the pipeline's $2.5-$3.5 billion estimated cost poses a significant obstacle to its construction.

By the way, this is from June 2004. Recent enough for you?

[geek tragedy]

82. Works for me.

Just shows that the pipeline was never a practical reality.

[deutsey]

86. Yeah, that's why all these countries signed on and Karzai

(former Unocal employee that he is) still hopes to revive plans for it.

:shrug:

I'm not saying Karzai (and his Bush White House supporters) are smart. Just greedy as hell. Bush, Cheney, et al., were all telling us what a wonderful reception our troops would receive in Iraq just last year. In other words, these ideolouges aren't known for their ability to discern the real geo-political consequences of their delusions.

[noiretextatique]

57. they are in the white house

or haven't you heard?

[DrWeird]

23. "Those who believe in destroying democracy are thugs."

How about people who take things directly out of context and don't respect other people's right to free speech?

[geek tragedy]

33. I took nothing out of context. He said he cheered 9/11 and thought it was

"justice."

And I respect his right to free speech.

And I respect everyone else's right to denounce him.

[DrWeird]

36. But he's a thug for saying it.

ie, a violent (black) criminal.

[geek tragedy]

41. Thuggery is a state of mind.

It's one he shares with Bush, the thugs at LGF, etc.

Think about it. He got racially profiled and searched at the WTC, so he took satisfaction at the deaths of 3000 people.

[noiretextatique]

60. i don't he's as simple-minded as that

but i'm not surprised you think so.

[okieinpain]

32. well kerry doesn't have to bring it up. but if someone ask him

about it he should tell the truth. krs-one said some stupid shit, and that he hopes it's not true. that's what I'm hoping, I'm trying to see his comments in full. but if he said those exact words well his dumb ass doesn't speak for me or my kids.

I don't know of any person of color that will tell you that they think 9/11 was some kind of cosmic payback for racism in this country. that's just in krs-one's small world. he should keep that bullshit to himself.

[cmkramer]

109. Clinton and Sister Souljah remark

Where I worked, all the white lefties and liberals were all upset over it, some to the point of threatening not to vote because Clinton was obviously a racist.

The vast majority of African-Americans in the office sided with Clinton, asking "What did he say that wasn't true"?

KRS-One is an intelligent guy that got caught saying something stupid.

[Zhade]

9. I would not be surprised if this was taken way out of context.

It's not like the media ever does that...

Be interested in seeing a full quote, rather than the SCLM's disjointed take.

[noiretextatique]

well...i think he was shooting his mouth off

but i'm sure there's more to the story than what's being reported.

[Zhade]

27. There usually is, especially when it's the SCLM reporting it.

NT!

[geek tragedy]

14. Q: How can cheering 9/11 be taken out context?

A: It can't. Anyone who does is as immoral as Karl Rove.

Q: What kind of person criticizes African-Americans who vote?

A: A world class idiot.

[noiretextatique]

22. according to him...he didn't say it

per dr. weird's post with his response to the story.

[Zhade]

24. As I said, I'd like to see an unedited quote, not the SCLM's take.

The fact that the quote is broken up to make a specific sentence makes me question if it's been taken out of context. The media certainly has been known to do that, especially with controversial statements.

If he did indeed cheer the innocent deaths caused on 9/11, he most certainly deserves condemnation. You'll forgive me if I investigate what he actually said before condemning him, I'm sure.

[jmm]

58. I wouldn't be surprised either

I've heard him encouraging voting and peacefully actions in too many previous interviews to believe he suddenly would feel this way.

[deutsey]

12. With whom will he "gain points"?

I don't know what's up with KRS-One (nor do I care). I haven't heard much about him since the early '90s, when I kind of liked him. If he's gone that far out in his thinking, why give him any more media attention?

As for Kerry using what he said to gain points, there's a real danger of it coming off as playing racial politics by the media. I seem to recall that was how Clinton's dumb ass move was characterized, anyway.

[geek tragedy]

16. To show that Kerry isn't a wishy-washy liberal.

It's a classic move to the center.

[deutsey]

26. I think he can find other ways to show that, if that's what he wants to do

I think if he needs to denounce KRS-One to appeal to someone in the center who doesn't like "wishy-washy liberals" then he's in a helluva lot of trouble.

[Freddie Stubbs]

25. Security guards kept black people out of the World Trade Center?

That is complete BS. I was in there several times and was never denied entry.

[DrWeird]

30. "because they dress and talk a certain way"

i.e., he's talking about institutionalized racism in the workplace, not any specific incidents.

[Freddie Stubbs]

40. And many black people worked there

That's why I was there. A college roomate of mine worked there for a financial services compay (fortunately he got a job somewhere else about a year before 9/11). This clown doesn't know what he is talking about. It is just an attempt for attention by a washed-up has-been who hasn't sold any CDs in a decade.

[DrWeird]

64. So there's no such thing as institutionalized corporate racism?

Was there a representative number of black people in the WTC across all positions?

Seems to me that's clearly what he's talking about.

[Freddie Stubbs]

70. Oh course there is, but it does not justify the murder of 3000 people

And the savages who flew the airplanes into those buildings didn't do it because they were unhappy with First Liberty Investment Group's affirmative action program.

[DrWeird]

110. I doubt KRS-one thinks 9-11 was justified.

Again, this is apparently being intentionally misunderstood, i.e. taken out of context.


But you'll find plenty of people who think Iraq was justified.

[geek tragedy]

45. So I guess that means the deaths of 3000 people was "justice."

[Chovexani]

28. The hell?

I used to like him growing up. WTF happened?

[noiretextatique]

53. i have no idea...i was never a fan

but it seems this is an opportunity for some to unite in outrage, ala sistah souljah.

[charlie]

73. Unfortunately, it seems he did say it

Those words, anyway, because he repeats them here. He explains his intent as a matter of philosophic/poetic license, or something. Whatever.

But whacking a musician in the hopes of reprising a Sistah Souljah moment would just be dumbassery in motion. If Kerry tears into KRS while giving Dubya "trifecta" "good year for Laura and me" "daily briefing about imminent attack didn't penetrate my thick skull" Bush a pass, then he's worthless. May as well go the distance and find a state that'll let him pull the switch in an upcoming execution.

[noiretextatique]

77. i agree...as to whether he said it or not

frankly: i could care less. and if he did: so what?! why is this even newsworthy?
but i took issue with the poster's suggestion that kerry recreate clinton's stunt.

[Blue_Tires]

42. if krs-1 really said that (while not high)

then my admiration of him dropped off the table....I'm black, and I sure as shit didn't cheer on that day (my 25th b-day)....and I hope he gets it through his fucking skull that blacks ALSO were killed on that day!!!

i think ol' Kris is feeling marginalized these days, and wanted to say something outrageous to get in the papers again...

how sad...not so long ago, he was THE voice of black consciousness...whatever happened?

[Killarney]

43. KRS-One that did "Radio Song" with R.E.M.?

Holy crap!

I'm very disappointed in him and have a whole new opinion of him. Those are the most utterly disgusting words I've read in a long time.

Kerry should denounce it if it is brought up.

Thumbs down to KRS-One. Heartless.

[DrWeird]

72. Here we go. What a "thug" thinks about 9-11. "Horrifying"

Q: You were working on this record when the terrorists struck on Sept. 11? How did that impact the project and your thinking?

A: I woke up, to go to the studio, to that horrifying picture of the World Trade Center. Immediately, God came into my mind: 'Why God? What is this about?' I'm one to say 'God is on the side of the winner.' Because if you believe in God, you have to believe that nothing going on is really done by man, that God's plan is being worked out before us. I'm speaking in a spiritual sense now, but there is a hardcore political sense to this as well. From a devout spiritual 'Christ-ian' perspective -- and that's what I call myself -- you look and say, 'If God does bless America, why would God allow this to happen?' Then you start to think, 'Maybe God hasn't blessed America. Maybe America has some real issues that have to be brought to the forefront ...'

On the song 'Tears,' I pull out : 'Love your enemies'. What happened to that? What happened to, 'If you're slapped on one cheek, turn the other'? Not that America should not retaliate, but if we don't do some self-reflecting, I think the Sears Tower is next, I think the White House is next. There are some other issues that as Christians we need to think about: What would Jesus advise us to do? Would he say a '$25 million bounty on Osama bin Laden's head'? Another thing has to do with innocence and guilt. America is getting a wake-up call that the rest of the world don't like us. When you study the actions of the CIA, the FBI, the IMF, the NSA, the WTO, America has like a 100-year field day on the world. Now, there's this hatred for the U.S., for the flag. If we are truly going to call ourselves patriots, then we're going to have to do some serious soul-searching ... The general apathy in this country has to change.

[Killarney]

84. I'm assuming that's an older quote from the same guy

but just because he said something level-headed before, that doesn't mean it's OK that he has declared solidarity with Al Queda and that he said he "cheered when 9/11 happened" and that when the planes hit the building and killed innocent men and women it was "justice".

Fuck no. That's horrible. It's probably the worst thoughts about 9/11 I've read from an American.

[DrWeird]

88. Which, according to the source, is being deliberately taken out of context

Which is the most logical assumption, since what he's accused of saying contradicts with what he said earlier.

[geek tragedy]

94. Either that, or he's just a giant freaking two-faced idiot.

[Forkboy]

103. Who to believe?

hmmmmmm

[noiretextatique]

112. LOL.

i believe he can see into his soul, ala bush re: putin :hi:

[Forkboy]

91. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa?

It's probably the worst thoughts about 9/11 I've read from an American

You obviously haven't been paying much attention.Remember Falwell?Robertson?

[noiretextatique]

95. and george "i hit the trifecta" bush

"boy, that's one bad pilot" :eyes:

[Killarney]

104. Did Falwell and Robertson cheer on 9/11?

I must have missed that.

Listen, I can't stand Falwell and Robertson either and maybe I'm just so disappointed in KRS-One because I didn't think he was like this. I was a fan in the 80's and early 90's.

I'm disappointed and I think his words (if he truly said them) are horrible. Period.
.

[noiretextatique]

108. YES...you must have missed that eom

[geek tragedy]

116. They didn't cheer, they just blamed it on the liberals, gays, abortionists

etc.

[Forkboy]

117. They blamed 9/11 on gays and lesbians

they claimed that God lifted his "veil of protection" because of our wicked ways.

[Forkboy]

55. I still like him

sue me :shrug:

[Heddi]

96. Wow! Lookit! A Minority Says Something Outrageous!!! NEWSWORTHY (not)

Oh how lucky for us that some minority entertainer has stood up and said what we've been hoping and praying someone would say since 9/11 happened----something outrageous, something so...vile...that we just can't help but to shake our collective heads and say "You know...I *KNEW* those minorities thought that way deep inside. I was just waiting for one of them to come out and say it".

And he even rails against OTHER minorities too...so there goes the 'racially motivated' factor, you know...because ALLL minorities say things that are racially motivated against the "white man".

They're all like that. All of them. Brown, darker brown, darker than white---they're all the same. America hatin' minorities is what I call them. Sitting back, collecting welfare while they're smoking crack and squeezing out a baby every 9 months for *ME* and my hard-working white family to take care of. I wonder if him and his baby's moma was getting WIC while he was saying all this stuff?

WHEN IS THE MINORITY COMMUNITY GOING TO CONDEMN THIS PERSON AND WHAT HE SAID? Because, as we all know, white people aren't accountable for what other white people say or do, but miniorities belong to this exclusive card-carrying club and they VOW that they will be...that they MUST be responsible for everything anyone of their minority says and does.

I mean, I've been WAITING for some Islamists to come out and condem the 9/11 attacks. So far, the liberal media hasn't shown any. Therefore, no one is speaking out against it, ergo, therefore, logically ALL Muslims approve of 9/11 since they haven't spoken out against it.

I take it this KRS-brotha is probably black, because no straight-thinking white family would give their child an acronym for a name. That's another thing with those blacks---what the hell is up with the names for their kids? Why doesn't some really black person come out and say 'NO MORE JAMAL! No More Takesha! We will all be Mary and Paul and Sandy!!" but that's another argument.

So this KRS person is saying that we deserve 9/11. Where's Jesse Jackson? Wehre's Al Sharpton? Where is the AUTHORITY ON ALL THINGS BLACK, the Honourable Bill Cosby? Why aren't they speaking out? Denouncing this KRS fellow? Calling for his ouster from the black community?

You know, those minorities really need to keep each other in check. I'm tired of them coming to my country freely like 200 years ago (doesn't that make them illegal immigrants or something?), getting really great jobs in the fields (taking away jobs from WHITES, no doubt!!!) then bitching and whining about the sun and the whips---Hey Kunta--you were getting food, RIGHT? That's more than the poor white slave owners were getting. So they get to be free and from that point on they have just prospered and thrived in America. They're taking way MY jobs, clogging up MY kids' school with their hippity hoppity butt-showing clothing (thank YOU Mr. Cosby for denouncing that, finally!), polluting our neighborhoods with their Bee-on-say music and girating adn stuff, and NOW this KRS dude--who is *OBVIOUSLY* a spokesperson for every single black person who was ever conceived--comes and says we deserved 9/11

Where's the outrage???

</freeper mode>

[noiretextatique]

105. damn, heddi

thanks for ALL of that :hi:
as i said: this is an opportunity for freepers and some DUers to unite. i have been told several times that i need to "condemn" him, btw. :eyes:

[Forkboy]

107. LMFAO

:thumbsup:

[hiphopnation]

120. HOOOOOORAAYY

HEEEEEEEEEYYYYYYY HOOOOOOOOOOOOO HEEEEEEEEEEY HOOOOOOOOOO HIP HOP HOOOOOOOORAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY HOOOOOOOOOOOO


Thanks for that!! :thumbsup:

[hiphopnation]

121. I'm kicking this thread

for this very post right here as it is full of brilliance and so very poignant that I think it should be spread far and wide. Your satire is biting and right on the money. So apropos. I hope Mr. Geek has read it and read it again. Maybe a few more times just to get the point of what has been so brilliantly and succinctly summed up in Heddi's post.

Thanks again. :thumbsup:

:kick::kick::kick:

[Heddi]

122. I bow and blush :)

thanks for the thumbs up :)
What can I say---I'm a self-loathing white person :-) Perhaps I should call upon John Kerry to 'denounce' the comments I made while driving to school today when stuck behind some idiot who was doing 25 in a 35 zone---Lemme tell ya...KRS got *NOTHING* on what I was saying to that asshole today :)

Let's have National I Denounce What Someone Said Day. Let's make it today.

As of right now, I, Heddi, Officially Denounce everything that has ever been said that I disagree with, or that I found offensive, unfunny, stupid, dull, bad-timing, bad punchline, tedius, wrong-time-of-day, etc. I officially denounce it.

I call on all people who have ever bored me, offended me, made me not laugh, or caused me to squirt some liquid-type substance from one (or more) body orifices, to publically apologize for everything they've ever said, done, suggested, insinuated, thought, wrote, or gossipped. They should feel shame, embarassment, public humiliation, loss of pubic hair, and general bad breath for their actions (or inactions).


Try it, it's fun! It's like going to confession, only this time you really don't have to mean it.

[Alenne]

114. Where is the whole statement?

This article doesn't even quote whole statements. "Cheered when 9/11 happened" is a quote from him but who cheered. If he said African Americans cheered why isn't the quote "African Americans cheered when 9/11 happened. "I say that proudly" is another quote. The reporter says it has to do with the cheering quote but how do I know that.

The article is one big paraphrase with snippets of quotes that could have a totally different meaning if taken out of context. I believe if KRS said these things there would be no need to paraphrase the whole thing. None of the quotes are damning on there own but when put with the reporters paraphrased remarks they take on a whole new meaning.

[noiretextatique]

115. critical thinking?!? what a concept!

:D

[Alenne]

118. critical thinking is unnecessary

when a person is pretending to be outraged.

[Heddi]

124. I'm outraged over the non-outrage over the outrageous outrage

It's like that Tom Tomorrow strip....where all the liberal's heads explode from outrage overload....

I'm so glad I have cunning DU'ers to remind me, daily, what I should and shouldn't be outraged about. I'd just be a complacent fool, floating through the world, only worrying about things that I deemed particularly worrisome; getting mad over the things that make me mad. What a waste of energy THAT was!!! Why, I had no idea that yes, I too, could be in a state of 24-hour, continuous frothing-at-the-mouth-and-chewing-on-the-carpet Anger! I mean, I've already had EIGHTEEN fucking aneurysms this week...and that's LOW for me!!!

Hip Hip Hooray for the Outrage over Nothing!!!

Thanks, DU! :thumbsup:

Hey....did I mention that I'm an oppressed white woman? I am!!! Why, I feel the boot of humanity crushing my neck. Hep me! Hep me! :snort:

[Heddi]

125. ***LBN**** Sean "Puffy Puff Daddy P-Diddy" Combs: DEATH TO AMERICANS

Yep.

He's got that VOte or Die thing---it's a threat. he knows it. He's a thug. Anyone named P-Diddy is a thug. If you rearrange the letters of the word P-Diddy, you get Did Dyp. "Did Dip" as in 'I DID DIP my hand into my pocket and pull out a gun to shoot people who don't vote." That's what he means, and he's SAYING IT OUT LOUD TO OUR CHILDREN.

This is an assault on us, PEOPLE! "Vote or Die?" Is that, like, a threat to kill anyone who doesn't vote?

The black community is very large, and I should know because my once beautiful neighborhood now borders on the black community and now I hear that Crap (hey you can't spell CRAP without RAP ha ha ha) boom-box vanilla ice shit all night until 11pm on New Years Eve. I see what they've done to my community AND THEY'RE GOING TO DO IT TO YOURS!!! They're well organized---why do you think they all ride the busses together and stuff? THEY'RE PLANNING, PEOPLE.

So Shawn Colmes is going to rile up all the black community (and probably some of the dissaffected rich white kid wigger community too, but not too much because their parents care enough to give them curfews), and all of these black thugs and their hoochie mamas and shorties are gonna come knocking on the door of everyone in the country and if you can't prove you voted, THEY ARE GOING TO KILL YOU.

He said it: Vote or Die.

It's as plain as the plantar wart on my foot!

I call upon the ENTIRETY OF THE WORLD as well as the INVOCATION OF SOULS WHO HAVE PASSED FROM THIS WORLD TO THE NEXT to rise up (not literally, dead people ha ha!) and DENOUNCE THIS FOUL BAD INFLUENCE ON OUR CHILDREN!!!!

The day John Kerry comes out to denounce this thuggish thug will be not one day too soon.

WE MUST APPEAL TO THE MIDDLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:blood spurts from head from outrage overload: