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Artemis Bunyon Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:49 PM
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A chilling, subtle hint from Kerry in recent PBS doc.
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Artemis Bunyon Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:50 PM
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1. Sorry for the quality of the cap, btw. I'll try to get a better one.
But it's clearly visible in the broadcast version.

The net version will be online later this evening, at PBS.org.
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TheCentepedeShoes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:52 PM
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2. Have you read it?
It's a great book.
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Artemis Bunyon Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 12:23 AM
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33. Not yet, but thanks to the DU folks who linked the online version, I will.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:33 AM
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38. Link?
Although my eyes don't like online books for some reason...blink...blink...blink...man, I feel like the Pretzeldent.
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Artemis Bunyon Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 02:45 AM
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47. Here...
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:42 AM
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39. I'm telling you what, that Sinclair Lewis kicked serious ass.
I read just about everything he ever wrote, this man was a prophet/genius, glad to see him getting some props.
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:53 PM
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3. Well, I know what the next book I'm going to buy is.
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Artemis Bunyon Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:54 PM
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4. Good luck! It's been out of print for years, despite being a classic.
And finding it in libraries these days is surprisingly iffy. At least, around where I live.

Gee... I wonder why?
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skypilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:59 PM
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15. No worries.
I work for a university and I just looked it up. We have copies of it.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:47 AM
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40. I just saw it in Barnes & Noble
This evening. On a table in the main aisle. Palm Beach Gardens, FL. I suspect that merchandising is somewhat driven by general localities, though I might be wrong.
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susanna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 07:12 PM
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61. I found it at a flea market...
...of all places. A friend had recommended it, but I couldn't track it down in any local libraries or bookstores.

By chance I went to an antique show/flea market and there it was. I bought it on the spot. Fascinating book.

Sharp eye on whoever caught that from the Frontline piece!
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 08:22 PM
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64. I have a copy. It was given to me by a newspaper reporter last year.
I gave him Iron Heel in return.

We both are somewhat paraniod now.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:54 PM
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5. Could have been a study guide to learn as much as possible
about the current regime.
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Artemis Bunyon Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:56 PM
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8. That's what I'm suggesting.
Think that's an overreaction?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:57 PM
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10. Hope it works!
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:55 PM
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6. what a fantastic book
everyone should read it. it should be required reading in every high school


:hippie: The Incorrigible Democrat
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:56 PM
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7. Good catch!
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Artemis Bunyon Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:56 PM
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9. You... frickin... RAWK!!!
I've been looking all over town for that damn book. Thank you so much.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:58 PM
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12. You are FAST! nt
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 02:02 AM
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42. Hurray! I'm looking forward to reading the entire

book, having just skimmed through Chapter 1. It promises to be very amusing and all too relevant.

Thanks for the link!
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:57 PM
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11. You can read it online
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Rockholm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 04:17 PM
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21. How cool is this site! Thanks!
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Wind Dancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:58 PM
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13. Wow, that is interesting!
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 03:59 PM
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14. Maybe. Or it could be Kerry's version of the Bush/halo pictures.
Edited on Fri Oct-15-04 04:00 PM by Cat Atomic
You know- the Republicans mix all sorts of messages into their staged presentations, from obscure biblical references to religious iconography, to coded language like Bush's Dredd Scott remarks. All of it intended to give the message, "I'm like you".

These things go right by most people unnoticed, but the base picks up on it. Kerry could've been doing the same thing, but for readers (a group the Republicans gave up on long ago).

Or maybe he's just reading the book. It's certainly appropriate now.
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Artemis Bunyon Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 04:00 PM
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17. I see what you're saying. But even to admit that "it's appropriate now"...
...is not exactly something that is, shall we say, "in the main stream"?
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 04:01 PM
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18. Good point.
:)
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 04:00 PM
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16. Holy cow, nice catch!!!!!!
:thumbsup:
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Artemis Bunyon Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 04:03 PM
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19. You know, what first caught my eye was the book beneath it.
It looked like it said "TREASON" and I thought to myself, there is no way in Hell that John Kerry is reading Ann Coulter's garbage. So I squinted and saw that it was REASON, not Treason. Then I noticed that the book above it was It Can't Happen Here, I think my heart stopped for a second. This bit of unimportant trivia struck me as important, somehow.

Probably an overreaction, but I had to share!
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 04:14 PM
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20. Wow
Kerry did say "Orwellian" the debate before last. He's no dummy. He gets it. I have no doubt.

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Artemis Bunyon Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 05:09 PM
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23. Orwell. Kafka. And now, Sinclair Lewis.
What's next? Iron Heel?
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atommom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 04:48 PM
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22. I've been thinking about that book a lot lately. It comforts me in some
strange way to see that Kerry is reading it!
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Artemis Bunyon Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 06:23 PM
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24. Cold comfort indeed.
x
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cosmicvortex20 Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 06:55 PM
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25. Dont think for a second every frame in front of the cameras -
isnt scripted by both sides...

I dont think he fears saying anything. If anything, hes came out and alluded to this very thing in a few of his speeches.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 08:40 PM
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26. "even with an army of slaves,
it was necessary to persuade them that they were freemen and fighters for the principal of freedom, or otherwise the scoundrels might cross over and join the enemy."

Read it 20 years ago, and still keep it close. Thought it hadn't aged well when I first read it, but not anymore.
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Waverley_Hills_Hiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 08:48 PM
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27. Whats the second book? Treason?
By Anne Coulter?
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 08:51 PM
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28. Looks like
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:17 AM
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37. No. It's REASON.
I think the author is Robert Reich, and it's about how liberals will win the war for America's soul.
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JohnLocke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 05:57 PM
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58. It's "Reason" by Robert Reich
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 08:32 PM
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65. Cool. Just checked this book out...
Subtitled: "Why Liberals will win the battle for America."

And "Babbit" was always a favorite of mine. Helped me understand what makes those pudgy Caucasion males tick.

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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 08:53 PM
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29. WOW!!!!.......He's really on the ball.
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maryallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 10:14 AM
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50. Yeah, Kerry actually READS ...
Imagine that ...

A President who reads ...

What a concept!
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 10:41 AM
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51. hey - bush reads too!
my pet goat. i'm sure there are some great political lessons in it!
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-15-04 09:08 PM
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30. The book shows Kerry's on our side.
Something to think about:

In Francis Ford Coppola's movie about good and evil and the Vietnam War (the title of which I will not utter or write down as it brings a luck worse than an actor uttering the Scottish play's name), the main character rides a boat up a branch of the river to encounter and "terminate" the renegade Colonel Kurtz. After several ordeals, the protagonist Army (CIA?) Capt. Williard finally meets his intended victim.

The few books on Kurtz's small bookstand were a Bible, a work IIRC by Walt Whitman and "The Golden Bough" by James G. Frazer. Like Sinclair's "It Can't Happen Here," Frazer's work is an early global study of ancient religions. It also identified certain similarities of people around the world when it came to the transference of power.

In the old days, and in Coppola's movie, the ritual killing of the king meant that the spiritual powers of God or the gods was transferred from the old king to the new who would now occupy the holy grove, guardian of the revered tree, the Golden Bough.

Things aren't really that different today. A ritual process must be followed to ensure that power is transferred correctly. Our "election" is only one facet that we can see. The game Bush and Kerry are playing is for much more than mere power or life and death. They play for the power to determine the future.
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Artemis Bunyon Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 12:05 AM
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31. Kick for the nightowls
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 12:12 AM
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32. Wow
An awfully BIG coincidence, if that's all it is... which something in my gut tells me it's not. Thanks for posting this.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 12:33 AM
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34. Ebay has a few copies
Edited on Sat Oct-16-04 12:36 AM by Jen6
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Artemis Bunyon Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 12:42 AM
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35. That's awesome. Thanks for that!
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:03 AM
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36. Kerry had to dumb down his speech...
for the debates. Of course, he knows what has transpired and what is at stake for Amerika.

W was a History Major in college. He once compared Iraq situation with the Philipines, a US colony. Anybody think that w came up with the Dred Scott reference by himself?
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 02:06 AM
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43. What was Kerry's major at Yale? I'm not sure

I've ever heard.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 02:42 AM
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46. Law I think
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 01:55 AM
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41. I can't read those titles
It Can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis, wow good reading, I was recommended that and the one below that is Bob Reich's book about how liberals will win the battle for America, hah I suspected and knew he was a liberal. Whast the bottom book?
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Artemis Bunyon Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 02:36 AM
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45. Check out post 34.
It's the same book. Plus, on TV, it was clear as day.
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Steelangel Donating Member (731 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 02:11 AM
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44. Awesome. Very awesome
I definitely am going to look up these titles to obtain. Thanks!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 09:14 AM
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48. kick
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 09:56 AM
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49. "most lying...crooked bunch"
Hell yes he knows. I imagine he can barely contain his anger.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:56 PM
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54. Kerry responded, informally and off camera:
"Let me tell you, we've just begun to fight. We're going to keep pounding. These guys are the most crooked, you know, lying group I've ever seen."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,113882,00.html

How true.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 12:19 PM
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52. Not an accident
Everything they allow in the frames is vetted. There's a subtle message here to the observant people in his base.

If nothing else, read Lewis' book. His other books resulted in laws being passed and Federal agencies being created to address the problems he saw in society at the time.
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Chuck DiFimp Donating Member (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 07:58 PM
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63. sorry to correct you, but
I think you may be confusing Sinclair Lewis with the muckraker Upton Sinclair, best known as author of an expose of the meatpacking industry, "The Jungle", which lead to the passage of the Pure Food and Drugs Act (1906) and the Meat Inspection Act (1906).
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wrate Donating Member (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 12:26 PM
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53. absofuckinglutely!!! n/t
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 02:57 PM
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55. hmmm. . . "liberty cabbage"
from the Sinclair Lewis book:

"Remember our war hysteria, when we called sauerkraut ‘Liberty cabbage’ and somebody actually proposed calling German measles ‘Liberty measles’?"

i guess referring to WW1.

never knew that before.

the more things change the more they stay the same.

conservatism is retrogression in it nakedest form.
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wellstone dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 03:34 PM
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56. And just think
he was born just 30 miles up the road.
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 03:42 PM
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57. The ultimate place to find out of print books...
is Addall.com They search databases of online booksellers. They list 131 entries for "It Can't Happen Here", ranging from a few bucks to $1500 for rare editions.

All book lovers need to know about this site.


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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 06:13 PM
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59. Hey, thanks for that link! I found an old book I've been searching for
YEARS there! :D
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Artemis Bunyon Donating Member (435 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 07:08 PM
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60. Here's a Buzzflash editorial that lists all the creepy synchronicities...
...between Lewis's novel and what's happening now.

http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/09/far04030.html
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 07:43 PM
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62. WEB VERSION - COMPLETE BOOK ONLINE
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