I'm ready to scream!! Fallujah does not deserve this. This assault is

[anarchy1999]

wrong. Look what we did in April of 2003. I told my husband then that what is happening now would come to pass. God help us all for letting our government do this in our name to make us all be safer. We will never be safe nor will our children ever be safe never again.

Here are the links to what happened. What would you do, how would you feel and how would you as a resident of this place respond?

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Fallujah

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0617-01.htm

http://www.aqwo36.dsl.pipex.com/fallujah.htm

http://backword.me.uk/2004/September/doesithave.html

Just do all yourselves a favor and go to google and enter in Fallujah, April 2003 and then read it all. There are pages and pages. Our government is committing war crimes in "OUR NAME"! We have to stop them.

[knowbody0]

1. i bleed with you

[madfloridian]

2. I know the feeling. It sickens me.

And no one is talking about it. I want someone to talk about it and say it is wrong.

[DuctapeFatwa]

3. It is US policy, and it is how the taxpayers want their money spent

Whatever the consequences, the voters decided it is worth it.

[anarchy1999]

4. Wrong and you are full of @#@@! The voters didn't decide this!!!!!

We can stop this, if only enough of us decide to put our own dear, precious lives on the line.

[DuctapeFatwa]

6. Just checked the DC webcam, no outraged hordes

What do you think would happen if the regime said they were spending tax money on mandatory nude exotic dance classes for all girls 11-17?

How would all those parents of daughters react?

Don't kid yourself. You may be one of the few exceptions, but this is what the voters want, what the taxpayers want, or you would see people in the streets in the tens of millions, hundreds of millions.

[anarchy1999]

12. You are sick.

n/t

[Forkboy]

13. No,DF is correct

[madfloridian]

15. No, DF is right, I'm afraid. We even have apologists here at DU.

I have been attacked many times for being outraged. People have been outraged that I was outraged. Not everyone, but many.

[JanMichael]

20. Sadly for us he isn't one bit "sick". Just pointing out reality.

which is a bitter f'ing pill to swallow.

And once you do it changes everything.

[anarchy1999]

22. Thanks JM, I've always respected you and always will.

This situation is out of control and is even dividing us all here.

[madfloridian]

29. Are you thinking we agree? No, we don't.

But I do firmly believe the public has been cowed with fear, and is willing for it to happen. What we are doing in Fallujah is very wrong, but if the American public stood up....it would not be happening.

[fujiyama]

21. DF is right

If the people didn't support this, Bush wouldn't have the support of so many. His support would not be in the mid to high forties.

The people have bloodlust. To many of these people, the US must lash out against anyone and everyone. At this point it doesn't matter if they had anything to do with 9/11. To the people that support this, they all were responsible...They are all a bunch of "A-Rabs".

DF is not sick. Our society is. This administration is.

[anarchy1999]

23. DF is not RIGHT!

He/She is simply being a contrarian, and enjoying it. Been round the block for 3 years with someone the same on a too familiar basis.

[Forkboy]

25. No,DF is right

Been round the block for 3 years with someone the same on a too familiar basis.

Dont hold that against DF :shrug:

[anarchy1999]

27. DF and you ForkBoy are still not right on this one!!!!!

Fallujah happened in April in 2003, I'd be willing to bet neither one of you know anything about it. Cheney you both and come back later after you've gone and done some homework.

[Forkboy]

30. I love you too

:eyes:

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.

Have a nice night.

[DuctapeFatwa]

35. Guess it's your lucky night. I'm not a betting man

Reading and thinking can be good things :)

[DuctapeFatwa]

28. anarchy1999, I am telling you what the reality is, not endorsing it

There is a link to my blog in my sig. You are welcome there any time. :)

And thanks to all my defenders :hi:

[anarchy1999]

32. I'm missing something here. I don't know what. But DTF, we, the US

have been horificley (SP?) wrong in Fallujah. You know this. I know you do.

[DuctapeFatwa]

36. I didn't say it wasn't wrong. I said it's what the voters want

It is how they want their money spent.

They would rather spend a dollar to kill someone else's child than a dime to buy medicine for their own.

You may not like it, I may not like it, but that is the reality.

[friesianrider]

51. I agree DF and I agree Anarchy...

Anarchy, you're 300% right; it IS wrong. It is sick, it is absolutely the most evil thing I've ever seen in my life.

What DF is trying to say though is that the fact is too many Americans don't "see" how evil it is. They stand by it and let it happen because they believe it's somehow "best" to lash out at any and everything. They will support Bush no matter what he does.

It is difficult for me to reconcile in my head, but it is, unfortunately, a fact.

[DuctapeFatwa]

60. I'd just like to give anarchy props for courage and being a decent human

being. For starting this thread, for keeping it kicked.

If there were more young Americans with that kind of conviction and I hate to use a term so misused these days, but moral clarity, the US might be a different sort of place today, and have a very different future.

Anyone thought about what would happen to any politician who stood up in congress and said what anarchy says in his original post?

[anarchy1999]

61. Thanks for the kind words DTF. I'm glad though that I'm on the

downhill slide to 50. (plus I'm a her most of the time, sometimes my husband does post though, you never know).

There are many that don't know the truth about Fallujah and I am passionate about this town. It really just does kill me to see what is happening there. My heart breaks for them all.

[Forkboy]

74. I'll second that

I wish more people cared that much :-(

[DuctapeFatwa]

75. Another thread last night: "Thousands gather on Washington Mall to protest

same sex marriage"

I almost posted a link to it on here, because I thought it was so illustrative of what we have been discussing.

Thousands, not a lot, but thousands, mobilized to express their outrage at the prospect of people who love each other making a solemn commitment to share their lives.

A total of zero were gathered there to protest the mass slaughter of innocents, torture, sexual predation, and the vast panoply of crimes against humanity that now define "America."

We know that is what defines America because anyone who dares to object to it is immediately labelled "anti-American."

I am proud to wear that label.

[Forkboy]

77. I dont get some people's priorities

I remember a few years back when students at a large midwest college protested because alcohol had been banned on campus.

Just last night on our local news here in Boston they had a story about people who were offended by this logo of a guy who sells sausages at Red Sox games;



The are offended by this "soft porn" logo.I'm willing to bet that none of these people are offended by the massacres anarchy speaks of.

George Carlin summed it up well;

"Traditional American Values:Genocide,aggression,conformity,emotional repression,hypocrisy,and the worship of comfort and consumer goods."

[fujiyama]

49. I often disagree

with DF, but this time he is dead on.

The fact that so many support this criminal gang is VERY troublesome. This society is twisted. That includes all age groups. When people say young people will vote in large numbers to rid this administration, I really question if those in my age group will really do that.

My sister lives in a "liberal" college town and said it's disturbing how many B/C stickers there are. Not only that but she said that some frat boy types have stickers/signs saying "For War".

This is our society. We must come to grips with it.

[Selwynn]

34. Not sick, just only half right -- see post #33

[Selwynn]

33. I think you're close, but not quite correct -

It is, I believe, an oversimplification to say "this is what the voters want because if they didn't want it, there would be massive resistance."

I think what you are leaving out of the equation is the pacification and demoralization (truly, the dehumanization) of the people. I don't think many people believe that taking to the streets would actually change anything. I think many people say, "this is not what I want, but if my experience in American has taught me anything, its that my opinions really don't count for much.

Now, I'm sure that your first instinct might be to place the blame squarely on regular people for that attitude. And I'm sure that's partly right. They, me, we -- are probably partially to blame for surrendering to a defeatist attitude where we say (in the spirit of King Theoden) what can one man do against such reckless hate?

However, I believe it is equally important to recognize and acknowledge the huge part that our government and institutional system has played in the subjugation and pacification of people's convictions. Yes, we the people should do better, but at the same time, the system is (and has been for a long time) very stacked against the people.

Every generation I believe it becomes more and more unlikely that the people will shake off the indoctrination, propaganda, brainwashing and pacification of their minds by the power-brokers of the country and stage a serious, long term grassroots challenge to the institutional norms of the day.

I think it is an oversimplification to conclude that this is what the people want. I think it is more accurate and productive to say that the people by and large do not really believe they have much actual power to effect the course of events. Yes, there are other factors. We can talk about the selfishness and a "what's in it for me" and "why should I care about you if it doesn't directly effect me" society. We can talk about the influence of greed and stereotypes, ignorance, etc. And we should talk about those things. But not without talking about them in balance with an acknowledgment of the ways in which our system and ruling class enslaves and keeps in check the will of the people.

There are two kinds of criticism needed: one is the criticism that I think you make here - criticism of the people and what they (or I should say we) let happen on our watch. But the second criticism that absolutely must be coupled with the first if we are to have any chance at honesty is criticism of the institutions and methods of propaganda and control of the population - the ways in which the modus operandum of our country is to keep the people in check and make sure that they always feel alienated, helpless and not really able to do anything that would amount to meaningful change.

So - I don't know that this is what the people "want." Because even if it wasn't what the people want, if people believed that there was no hope or change in "taking to the streets" - why would they?

By the way - have you taken to the streets recently? What's stopping you? I be they are some of the same reasons stopping others. They're never "good reasons" until they're your reasons.

[DuctapeFatwa]

39. Selwynn, first of all, I am a strong advocate of maintaining complete

separation between offline and online activities and personas.

Please see Anti-Terrorism Safety Checklist: How to Stay Safer

You have presented a very thoughtful analysis of some reasons why this is what the voters want. I don't think even Lynndie England would do the things she did to beings she considered human.

However, I will refer you again to my question about mandatory nude exotic dance classes for young girls.

What if, instead of the Patriot Act and colonialist wars of aggression, what passes for government in the US passed laws saying that all women who did not wear burkas would be stoned in the public square?

What if the second amendment were repealed?


Pick your own, and imagine what would result. There are many things that would be considered by US voters and taxpayers to be outrages so horrific that they would not support it, they would not pay for it, and they would exercise their constitutional right to change their government (not just the personnel, the government itself) faster than you can google a pic of Caracas during the attempted coup.

However, current US policies and their implementation in various parts of the world, do not constitute, for the voters, that level of outrage.

On the contrary, those who oppose it outright are considered fringe wackos at best and traitors and terrorists at worst.

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[anarchy1999]

65. I agree with everything you say here.

And yes, we take it to the streets all the time and support others that do so, in the conservative wasteland here that we call Dallas.

[mike_c]

38. DTF is right-- at the very least a SIGNIFICANT minority...

...is happy with U.S. foreign policy, and all the brutality it entails. At worst, it's the "will of the people." In 18 days we have a choice between TWO PRO-WAR CANDIDATES. What more needs to be said?

[Kanary]

44. Yup, to many, if not most, Merkins, it's one big football game.

"GO KICK ASS"

Rah.

Rah.

Rah.

One sick country.

Kanary

[anarchy1999]

46. Thank you Kanary.

My uncle told me a long time ago, 1981, that football is nothing but "social masturbation". It took me a very long time to understand what he meant, but he was right. Roman times, bread and circus for the masses = one sick country (empire) on the decline.

I'm sorry for us all.

[Booster]

5. I have been screaming about this for months and, to be

honest, people are starting to avoid me like the plague. I was talking to a young cop about the draft and he said "if I'm drafted, I'll go over there and fight" to which I replied "why would you want to go to a foreign country and kill people who have done absolutely nothing to us". I just don't understand why Americans, who are usually so compassionate over the problems in the rest of the world, just aren't outraged at what we are doing. I think if the idiot is in the White House for another 4 yrs, you can bet we will be living in the '60's all over again. I'm so embarrassed now.

[anarchy1999]

8. I'm with you. I've been screaming since April of 2003 and was witness

on line to what happened in this town. Just imagine it happening in your town, how would you feel? How would you react if it was a neighbor mowed down or a son or daughter of a neighbor that was hit that day in the town square. All any of us wanted was for the military to leave the school so our kids could return to school. How would you feel and how would you continue to feel as time went on? More neighbors, friends and relatives were killed with the US Smart Bombs? I know how I would feel and I'm a Mom. I'd never get over it.

[AnnInLa]

10. Because the dumbed down public has been conditioned

by all types of media to be a macho/aggressive/entitled society. By God, we were attacked on 9/11 so we're gonna kick the shit out of someone, and it doesn't matter who. Someone's gotta PAY.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

41. Operation Global Lynching Metes Out God's Justice to Our Inferiors.

or...All lives are precious, as long as they're American.

Your Gawddamn right that Americans say "A-OK" to slaughter of the innocents, Ductapefatwa. They think it is the Monroe Doctrine extended to the planet and not just inevitable but desirable.

[Wind Dancer]

11. I know exactly what you mean.

I feel like I am beating my head against the wall - people have flat out denied that these things have happened.

The RW fundies are the absolute worst, they will never believe anything other than the world is ending and we are putting the final pieces in place. They have become a dangerous cult that can't handle facts, it's disgusting.

I can't describe the pain I feel for what this country has done.

NOT IN MY NAME

[ladybugg33]

7. My heart is sick too. If I could live somewhere else I would.

Just can't afford it.

[puddycat]

9. The whole Iraq war and occupation is a crime against humanity

I feel so badly for our troops, forced to participate in this mindless and useless debacle.

[Disturbed]

14. Not in my name!!!!

I was against this illegal invasion from the start of the drum beats for War On Iraq. I believed Scott Ritter.

Most Americans don't care about this, even for American troops. If Bush and the Neo Fascists retain their stranglehold on Amerika, I will dispair and join The Resistance.

[anarchy1999]

16. This post will stay on the front page all of tonight!

Wake up everyone. Get to know Fallujah!

[Minstrel Boy]

17. Here's a song you should hear:

download it here: http://www.soundclick.com/pro/default.cfm?BandID=111310&content=music

Fallujah
David Rovics

Maybe you'll hear about me
When you watch the evening news
So I write this letter for you, my friends
The truth then you may choose
I had a good time at Oxford
And the world I did roam
When my studies were finished
Then I went back home

All I wanted were good things
Land and liberty
And all the sorts of things we learned
At the university
I'm not a fan of dictatorships
I'd rather say live and let live
But for those who would threaten my family
There's nothing I won't give

(Chorus)
I will fight for my country
I'll defend this land
I will stare at the whites of your soldiers' eyes
With this Kalishnikov in my hand

When you break down the doors of my neighbors
When you say that might makes right
When you say you're looking for terrorists
In their bedroom late at night
When you torture my brother at gunpoint
On his head a canvass sack
All I can say to you, soldier
Is you'd best watch your back

(Chorus)

When you come with your tanks on our city streets
And you say these streets are yours
When you say you'll rebuild us with bombers
And oil tankers on our shores
When you have gunned down my child in Fallujah
You needn't wonder why
I look at you through the blades of your 'copter and say
It's a good day to die

[mike_c]

37. thank you thenk you thank you for that link....

!!!!!

[Ladyhawk]

18. And what is the news media saying?

I think they bear a lot of the responsibility for America's apathy. If America is not informed, they cannot be outraged.

I feel sick a lot of the time, thinking about what is happening in Iraq, what is happening here, thinking about family and friends who support what is being done. I just can't carry on normal relationships with them any longer. They've become loathsome strangers to me.

[anarchy1999]

19. It's tough to lose friends. Just keep in mind Bush promised he would

be a uniter not a divider. For whatever that bs statement is worth.

We are all feeling sick most of the time, but if we can all come together, if all the cats that Hightower and Molly try to herd all the time, if we can all come together, we can make a difference. We can stop this insanity.

[Ladyhawk]

40. May it be so. :) eom

[Malva Zebrina]

24. I am in shock everyday

to see that almost half this country supports the idiot, little boy Bush, in spite of his lies about invading Iraq and bombing to their death thousands of innocent people. I cannot, simply cannot understand how anyone in their right mind can support this dumbassed little man and this slaughter.

I am baffled

Yet they do.

It is the rich Stepford women who play at being "strong women" but are actually like little sheep with lots of toys their "daddy" gives them, the wannabee, often racist and bigoted, rich who are actually middle class, who want to be connected to the rich in some way and do not want to be associated with the "little people" because they fancy themself, without portfolio, above the "little guy" who is poor and his laziness is to blame, and those who are so rednecked that they cannot conceive of anything else but animalistic and barbaric revenge and are so lacking in critical thinking that they are governed by their fantasy image of themself as big mano, mano warrior and acting like puffed up cocks to "defend our freedom" because Saddam attacked us.

[anarchy1999]

26. Nice rant Marianne. Thanks.

You said it all.

[Wind Dancer]

31. Well said!

[Heddi]

43. beautiful. Absolutely beautiful

Mind if I quote you in my blog? I think that last paragraph completely sums up what is wrong with our country. Beautiful. Beautiful.

[sangh0]

42. This is SOP for pacification

bush* is trying to get the residents of Falluja to turn on the insurgents by bombing the crap out of innocent civilians. It's just like Viet Nam.

Falluja is becoming a "kill zone"

[vetwife]

45. IT is another Vietnam # approaching 1100 deaths US

Anarchy 1999 is right. The same thing happened at Hamburger Hill. They took the hill and then gave it back. Fallujah...the same thing...Bombed and Retreated..Now to get their so called honor back. Well we lost our honor the day we went into that country. I am beginning to wonder if we ever had any.

Remember Nixon saying, We will leave but with honor. Honor? 87,000
names on a wall, 110,000 suicides, millions of lives destroyed, a 10 year war that has never ended for many of us and this was his idea of HONOR ! President Kennedy said that war in Nam could not be won and neither can this one. That war in that region has gone on thousands of years. Mr. Doodie up wanta be cowboy wants a legacy because he is filled with childhood problems wanting Daddy's approval. If you think that we can remove this maniac with a vote, I think we may be delusional ourselves.

War crimes have been committed. I don't have the answer but I assure you this November 3rd will be an interesting if not fatal day no matter who wins or if the Monkey steals. A divided Nation cannot stand and contrary to what the pundits are saying I just don't believe that many people are for Bush. Sure the rich, or the hynotized christians, or gun totin ignorant but the rest are against Bush and the rich includes the MEDIA. Especially the Media. We are in deep deep trouble. If you haven't figured that out yet, then where have you been?

I will keep fighting and I will vote but after November 2nd what then? What is going to happen. The hate is all around. I do not mean to be a sadist but I live in reality and I see things are heading for another Roman Empire and if the Soviet Union fell then so can we. Who will the Next Superpower be huh?

No Fallujah doesn't deserve this. We don't deserve this. What are we going to do? We better think about it because we have only 2 and 1/2 weeks to think about it.

[vetwife]

47. kick

[anarchy1999]

50. Amanda, I'm never going to get over Fallujah. My heart has been

breaking for this town since last April. When our soldiers rolled into town after the statue of Saddam had been torn down and they occupied the school. Fallujah had nothing to do with this war and they cared not, they were glad to see Saddam disposed, their town had been left alone by Saddam. The citizens of this town marched in a peaceful protest upon the US soldiers only wanting them to leave the school. Soldiers fired into the crowd and it has been hell since. I told my husband that day, that this town would be leveled before it was over. I am sick with that knowledge.

I would just ask that everyone here start to put yourselves in the Iraqi's place,in the citizens of Fallujah's place. How would you feel if it was your town? How would you react and respond if your family's house had been targeted and you lost everyone with a "smart bomb"? How would you feel if it was your wedding and you lost your bride and all of her family and yours? What would you do? How would you feel?

I'm sick for what we are letting the media and our politicians and our military get away with in Fallujah. I don't think I'll ever get over it.

[Ladyhawk]

52. It rips my heart out to look at photos of dead and injured Iraqis.

But I can't turn away. I think the American public should be FORCED to look at those pictures.

We all know why the news won't report what is truly happening. I'm not sure what more we can do. We are fighting against huge conglomerates. We click on polls. We write letters. We boycott. They mostly laugh at us. :(

I'm at the point where I am willing to NOT BUY ANYTHING that isn't necessary for mere survival: food, gas (when necessary), stuff to take care of my animals...AND THAT'S FUCKING IT! If everyone on DU did the same we could absolutely cripple this economy. Would the corporations listen then?

I'm holding off on this because I don't want to hurt Kerry's economy. I'm hoping he will do something about Iraq so that we don't have to call a general strike.

I am oh-so-serious about this. I don't need anything the media wants to sell me. Nature is my god and it isn't for sale. I don't think the neo-cons can take that away from me.

[anarchy1999]

56. I have a good friend from Afghanistan. In the beginning he and his

family were very happy, in 2001. Now in 2004, not so good. (He and his family left Afghanistan right before Russia took over, oh so many years ago), I've been going to see him since 1995. We are friends, he taught me about Islam. I asked. For a long time he and I have both agreed and he told me first, the only thing that will bring about a change is when we all get together and shut down. Be prepared to take a month off. Not a day, not a week, but an entire month. Build up a community, be prepared and then do it. All of us together and we can make change happen. Think Ghandi and what he did in India. Peaceful, non-violent resistance. That is all it will take.

He alerted me to the real deal about the Fed Reserve. He opened my eyes when I finally asked him, what is it about Islam and Christianity.

I wish more people would start to care, to read, to research our history, we have much to learn.

But yes, we are in for a very rough few weeks, who knows what will come. It is up to us all.

[mhr]

54. I Volunteer For A Local Congressional Race And I Am Finally

meeting more volunteers that are recognizing that civil unrest is a real possibility in this country.

Sometimes even Democrats don't want to acknowledge how bad things really are.

[Q]

48. Most Americans don't know what's going on in Iraq...

...because the American Media doesn't want to spoil Bush's* chances in Nov. by exposing the whole truth. Remember...this admin. won't even show coffins as they arrive in the US.

- The majority doesn't agree with what's happening in Iraq. The Bushies have manufactured consent and use THEIR media to make dissent appear unpatriotic.

[not systems]

53. I hit the streets in April with ...

ANSWER which many detest as reds.

When fascism raised it's ugly head last century who was
on the line first fighting against it.

This war is a disgrace and all who defend it are guilty of
the lowest form of human brutality, war.

The thought that so many embrace actively or passively the
war criminal Bush is a stain that I hope American can live down.

What will it take to make this a society capable of resisting genocide?

[JCMach1]

55. I have students with FAMILIES in Fallujah...

It's personal for me... :(

[anarchy1999]

57. It's personal for many of us, you are not alone.

many sad faces here.

[DuctapeFatwa]

72. It is indeed quite personal for 1 in 5 people on earth

then add all those who love them.

[clyrc]

58. adding my voice to the outraged and saddened

This is being done in my name and I hate it beyond what words can say.

[anarchy1999]

59. Thanks for caring.

I checked your profile and it says UAE for country. I thank you more, but why does your country say UAE and you take the position of saying "in my name"? I'm a little confused.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

63. JCMach is an American teaching at a university in the UAE

A DUer from the earliest days.

[anarchy1999]

64. Right, I remember now.

n/t

[Lydia Leftcoast]

62. People choose not to know

because if they did know, if they really acknowledged what the U.S. is doing in Iraq, they wouldn't be able to bear it. Then, as you say, there are the macho-macho-men who just want the U.S. to "kick ass"--anyone's ass, they don't care whose.

That's why ordinary people make up rationalizations or choose to ignore the information that is available.

You see the same thing when someone is arrested for being a serial killer or mass murderer. His associates don't want to believe that the person they knew is capable of such evil.

We desperately want to believe that we and those associated with are "the good guys." When presented with information to the contrary, we either ignore it, deny it, or go through convoluted logic to convince ourselves that whatever our side has done, it must have done so for a good reason.

[leftchick]

66. I blame the media and our lazy society that puts up.....

with the crap spoon fed them on our TVs. I look at photos like these daily on Yahoo and it sickens me. If our media were to show the true cost of war like this every day, Amerikans would view the Iraqis as humans and not "ragheads". But that isn't going to happen in my life time.


What did this poor little guy do to US Soldiers?....





Iraqi boy Hussam Achmed, 9, cries in the emergency room in the hospital in Fallujah, outside Baghdad, Iraq (news - web sites), Saturday, Oct. 16, 2004 while being treated from gun shots to his leg. According to hospital sources, Hussam and four other family members where injured after an improvised bomb detonated in the suburbs of Fallujah and US troops started firing randomly. (AP Photo/Bilal Hussein)

[DerekG]

67. Here's a disturbing question...

God willing, Kerry will be elected. But how many DUers are going to turn their eyes, or tell others to pipe down, when the Fallujahs are occuring under the new president's watch?

It's gonna be a sickening sight to see the party loyalists at work.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

69. Oh, I'll still be against it

I didn't go along with everything Clinton did (welfare reform, etc.), nor with everything Carter did (sending aid to El Salvador, etc.).

[bloom]

76. If anything - I would speak out more and with more hope

that anyone who could do anything would pay any attention.

Not that I haven't been doing anything now - because I have - But it is very frustating.

I am very thankful for all of the war protestors. Esp. the people who go out every week.

[Darranar]

68. This assault is disgusting and utterly despicable...

the ground offensive hasn't even significantly begun yet, but innocents are still being slaughtered every day through US airstrikes n(as they have for several weeks now).

It looks like it may be worse than last April, and that was horrendous.

[vetwife]

70. We are different. We are not blinded by the left or drank any Koolaid

We will hold people's feet to the fire but Kerry cannot go in there and clean everything up the day he is elected. No one could. I think what he said the other day was thought provoking. No telling what shape he will find the place in January.

[AgadorSparticus]

71. We need to start a letter writing campaign on this matter. I am sickened

by the inhumanity and gross war crimes committed in our names. Maybe it is my naivete, but I don't think most people are really bloodthirsty. Like a brainwashed cultist, they will do anything their masters tell them to. We, as a society, didn't get to this place overnight and we will not get back to normal November 3rd, either. We have alot of work to do but we will succeed. I'll have to get some more info before I start my letter. I'll post it when I am done. Lets email/fax/snail mail our local and national media whores.

[Zhade]

73. My country's actions shame me, and shame us all.

I wonder, will this cease under Kerry? I pray it does (and I'm not a praying man).

[bloom]

78. Seeing Going up River

and our Vets stayed out there all week and it seems it did make a difference. But they were really protesting to save Americans...




And now Fallujah is being bombed during Ramadan. Maybe we could get a fast going.