Zogby says 14% of the Democrats are supporting bush?

[still_one]

while only 5% of the republicans are supporting Kerry?

It is hard for me to believe that many Democrats would support a candidate who will overturn ROE V WADE

[Kierkegaard]

1. MORE silliness.

When will it all end?

[still_one]

9. Here is what I think happened

You have republicans saying they are Democrats, and distorting the poll. The Newsweek poll also doesn't make senes where they say that more men than women support bush. This smells like the word has gone out to the republicans that if they get called to say they are Democarts and are for bush

[Kierkegaard]

13. Quite possible.

With people like Zell Miller and the rep in Louisiana trying to pass himself off as a Dem and then at the last minute changing his affiliation. Lead by example...

[HFishbine]

44. That sounded plausible

Except, aren't the pollseters claiming that a greater percentage are self-reporting as Rs than Ds?

[cosmicvortex20]

46. Everything isnt a conspiracy - your just being paranoid.

I find it perfectly plausable that more crats will be swayed by the right scare tactics, but in the end the voter turnout will determine the winner.

[grasswire]

51. yep

They're messing with the pollsters.

[Vickers]

2. Psycho Zell Democrats is my guess

Some folks, particularly in the South (I've from there) *call* themselves Democrats, because their daddy was, or they want to identify with farmers, or etc. etc.

But, if you vote for Bush in this election, you are a Republican.

[Cat Atomic]

27. If you vote for Bush in this election, you're a retard.

Or a fascist. One or the other.

[kohodog]

52. Please, don't demean folks that are challenged.

They have more sense than that.

[Cybergata]

39. They are democrats that are ...

so against abortion that they will vote for anyone who is also opposed to abortion. :hippie:

[wildeyed]

3. But how many of those "Democrats" have actually voted for

a Democrat in statewide and national elections since the 60's?

[charlie]

4. It's consistent with recent history

There's been a steady 12-14% self-identified Dems that been behind Bush since 2000. Dipshits.

[lancdem]

11. But no other national poll

has Bush winning more than 10 percent of Dems. That Newsweek poll has Kerry losing only 7 percent of Dems to Bush.

[charlie]

19. Dunno if Zogby's wrong

or if the rest of them are. What I do know is that there's been an intractable 10+ percent these past 4 years, so Zogby's 14% figure can't be dismissed as an impossible outlier. Improbable maybe, but not impossible. Here's a CBS poll from a year ago, with 11% saying they'd pull the lever for Dubya if the election were held today:

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/CBSNews_polls/bush_iraq.pdf

[PROGRESSIVE1]

5. 1 in 10 "Democrats" is a Dixiecrat who has voted Repug since 1964!

[sweetheart]

32. Yes, the liberty for all unless you're black voters

Of course they're voting repuke. They are as democratic as jim
jeffords is republican.

[smirkymonkey]

6. Why do I not believe this?

It is hard for me to believe that many Democrats would support a candidate who IS A F***ING PSYCHOPATH.

[Catch22Dem]

7. My co-worker has been a DEM since she was a teenager

Has never actually voted for one. She sure makes a point in voting in all the primaries, though. In Okla. we have closed primaries, so she took her DEM registration and cast a vote for Lieberman this year. Needless to say, she's a "democrat" supporting Bush.

[Fla_Democrat]

47. That happens a lot around here

I crunched the numbers once, registered Dems in my county vs. registered Reps. Then looked at the numbers in 2000.

There were 9,953 registered Dems in 2000
There were 2,561 registered Reps in 2000

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/pdf/2000voterreg/2000genparty.pdf

The final count was...

Gore... 3,838
Bush... 4,512

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/results/FL/index8.7b.html


Now the numbers are....

registered Dems.....10,158
registered Reps.....3,483

http://election.dos.state.fl.us/voterreg/pdf/2004/2004primParty.pdf


Knowing how conservative this area is,(our representitve is a proud "Blue Dog" http://www.house.gov/boyd/ ), it'll be interesting to see the numbers after the election.

[napi21]

8. Don't you think it's possible for someone to just lie?

The only real poll is in 19 days!

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[Was_Immer]

15. Assumptions get you in trouble!

I said I DONT CARE about it

I dont support it, nor do I not support it.

Its not an issue for me. Dont assume anything in life!

[still_one]

16. IN YOUR FIRST MESSAGE YOU SAID YOU DO NOT SUPPORT IT

NOT THAT YOU DO NOT CARE ABOUT IT.

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[Was_Immer]

20. P.S.

Hit the CAPS button next time

Its the 3rd button from the bottom all the way on the left side of the keyboard

[still_one]

17. You are right

[PittLib]

14. While I do believe that some dems are voting for * ...

(due to irrational terrorism fears) - there are far more repubs voting for Kerry. A doctor friend of mine (a staunch, life-long repub) has systematically been converting some of the republican staff members at the hospital where he works. They can't hold up against reason, and he is there to give them the nudge. He estimates about 30 conversions so far. Hell - I'd be impressed with 10. Keep 'em coming!

[liberalmuse]

21. My insane fundie mother...

registered as Democrat, but she is as 'pub as they come and probably hasn't voted for a Democrat since she became a born-again nutcase. Any Dem for Bush is not a true Dem.

[Changenow]

22. I believe th 15 % of Democrats part,

but doubt the Republican support is 95%.

There are a lot of Democrats who should change their registration.

[TahitiNut]

23. POLL-BUSTING

It's been fairly well-known for years now that a right-wing grassroots effort has been to get reichbots to identify themselves as Democrats to any pollster in order to skew the polling results when the polls were "normalized." Pollsters have been, to varying degrees, working to filter out the effects of this subterfuge.

While it's been casually estimated that the degree to which this has contaminated polling results is in the 1-4% range, this revelation by Zogby seems to indicate it's about 9%. That's very significant.

[For PaisAn]

24. Fuck all the polls

They're bullshit. The only reason to take them seriously is because they tend to influence the sheep in this country. I know of quite a few Republicans who are now voting for Kerry and ZERO Democrats who are now voting for Bush. I don't think this is the exception. Also, just read a sampling of the many letters from soldiers sent to Michael Moore. Some are posted on his website and check out his book "Will They Ever Trust us Again?" for many more letters.

[GOPNotForMe]

25. Not that surprising

There are Southern Democrats who never bothered to change their party affiliation from back when the South was heavily Democratic. Lots are still Dems by registration but vote for the Fascists.

[UNIXcock]

It pisses me off no end

... here in Arizona, I know five long-term Democrat families supporting * this year. I can't seem to get across to any of them, usually insist on changing the subject. :grr:

WTF ????

[Cha]

49. Why don't they just change their party

affiliation?..they're obviously stupidity before Country.

[UNIXcock]

26. It pisses me off no end

... here in Arizona, I know five long-term Democrat families supporting * this year. I can't seem to get across to any of them, usually insist on changing the subject. :grr:

WTF ????

[southern democrat]

28. Well that depends on where you are asking Democrats.

Are you asking in deep south and Texas? I would say yes. In northeast an west I would say no. Overall I realistically see 7-10% Dem vote for Bush nationally at most. They were saying this shit in 2000 also, but gore go over 90% Democratic vote. I would not worry, Democrats are more united and focused this year. Especally in the states that really matter in 2004 election.

[jonnyblitz]

29. I am surprised it isnt more actually. n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. Dixiecrats and DLC'rs going home.

The Vichy wing of the party.

[mitchtv]

33. Not really fair to link southern sell out Dems to DLC sellout Dems

As DLC is running our show right now. I believe that bunch(DLC) prefers JK to a large extent. Good ol "Xian" whiteboys however.....

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

35. Those Good Old Xian Whiteboys.

I'm sure they're chomping at the bit to take credit if Kerry pulls it off but will, as usual, blame the left if he loses.

The big difference between the Dixiecrats and the DLC is that the Dixiecrats moved to the Republicans. The DLC is trying it's damndest to move the whole party to the Republicans.

At least the Dixiecrats are honest about their loyalties.

[HFishbine]

45. "DLC is running our show right now."

They are?

[mitchtv]

50. that's who I'm signing checks to

? JK is also a dlc type;nb.IRW

[dave502d]

31. BULL SHIT!

[MS68]

34. Watching a news show with my husband...

one day, and they read an e-mail from a viewer--the person started out with "I'm a democrat, and I'm voting for Bush". I turned to my husband and said "then she's not a democrat" and quit listening. I could see republicans who identify themselves as a republican due to fiscal conservatism voting for Kerry, but I can't see ANY true democrat voting for Bush.

[MS68]

36. By the way....

I'm pretty new to this board, and I'm very impressed with the level of intelligence, thoughtfulness and the articulate responses, but man...some of you people are brutal to each other. I think it's possible to be on the same side, disagree on some issues, but not go into attack mode when you disagree. Yikes!

[Longhorn]

40. Welcome to DU!

Yes, you're right that some people get ugly on this board. Just so you know, personal attacks are not allowed and if any should occur, just hit the "alert" link at the bottom left of the message screen and a moderator will take care of it.

Most of us are able to have reasonable, polite discussions, even when we disagree. You learn to ignore the others.

Good to have you aboard! :hi:

[KelleyKramer]

37. That’s so ridiculous its hilarious

Do you need any more proof that these polls are full of it?!

In 3.5 years of talking to Democrats, and that’s in the thousands, I have never met one Gore voter who was voting for Bush. Not ONE.. EVER!

The polls are just as full of it as the lying talking heads who praise them.

[Cleita]

38. Zogby has been sending me polls every week lately.

Many of the questions are the same. I think it's to see if I am consistent. You can mark the square that states you are a registered Democrat and then the square that states you are voting for Bush. I don't know if Zogby back checks voter registrations, so it's possible the poll is being freeped. I wouldn't put it past the neo-cons to do this.

[cubsfan forever]

43. Had to have been freeped

Two days before the third debate, Zogby had Kerry up by 3. A 7 point swing to Bush after the third debate? Uh, no.

Professor 2

[ThomWV]

41. 27 Years Here

We moved here 27 years ago and I registered in this county as a Democrat. If, in that first year, I had become enamored of Ronald Reagan, as many did, I might have registered as a Republican. Had that been the case its not at all likely that I would have made the treck back to the courthouse to change my registration. Why bother? I've never really cared very much about who won the primarys anyway and sometimes it can be fun to vote on the other guy's ticket.

[Dees]

42. My mother in law.

She is so proud of saying "I'm a registered Democrat". Problem is she hasn't for a Dem in forty years. Straight Repuke. Baltimore politics.

[Cha]

48. Those numbers are

backasswards!

Yeah, right!

[goforit]

53. Nice try Zogby!!!.................but you're wrong on that one.

[Pig_Latin_Lover]

54. That can't be real

Bush has to be pissing off Republicans left and right with his fiscal irresponsibility and his poorly managed war in Iraq. What happened to the party of responsibility? Where is this new "era" they were referring to?

I can, however, see where some Democrats are still brainwashed by the whole "9/11 - Never Forget!" mentality where people were solidly behind Bush and saw him as The New Winston Churchill.

[masher]

55. fake poll

Zogby lie for Bush