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Dees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 02:53 PM
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Do you think * is sane?
I don't. I'm not a psychologist or psychiatrist but evry rational thought I can muster tells me this man is just not right. Too many personal charactersitics don't pass the sanity test. He's a few clicks off. I think he might be Bab's man child. Friend of mine thinks he's a hair away from a complete breakdown.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 02:55 PM
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1. No. Psychotic, yes. Sane, no. nt
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efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 02:56 PM
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2. I think he might have been borderline at one point but right no. With all
the stress of having to continually think and perform and his past bad treatment of his body and he is definitely minus a few basic bricks.
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jrthin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:01 PM
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3. My lay person diagnosis,
the man is mad.
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Dees Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:04 PM
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7. He's certainly delusional.
I believe the most powerful nation in the histroy of the world is being led by a person who is not mentally capable and suffering from mental illness.
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Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:01 PM
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4. I absolutely do *not* think he is mentally stable.
Edited on Sat Oct-16-04 03:02 PM by moonbeams
And I have serious doubts about most of his supporters, too. :(

BTW, I worked as a mental health counselor for 9 years so I'm not just talking out of my butt. :)
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:01 PM
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5. There is definitely something very wrong with him...
and I agree with your friend. This is a man who has never been truely
challenged or contradicted in his life, and he has made up for that in
the last couple of years. I think they have him drugged to the gills. I
think that explains the mutiple personalities we witnessed during the
debates. Something small could send him over the edge. It may have
already happened, given the visual evidence in the last debate that he
may have had some sort of stroke.

As for psychiatrists, the man who wrote "Bush on the Couch" defined
Dubya as a Meglomaniac who likely has Attention Deficit Disorder,
is dyslexic, and may have Tourette's syndrome.

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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:09 PM
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10. That author also noted sadism, as evidenced by childhood torture of frogs,
mocking death row inmates, casually promising aid to programs for people in need, then immediately cutting said programs.

Sadistic, addicted, inability to empathize with other people, stuck in Oedipal stage of development (can't let go of envy/worship of father--needs to play this out by saving dad from enemies, proving he is more powerful than dad)
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MGKrebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:01 PM
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6. No.
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killbotfactory Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:05 PM
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8. No.
He thinks he's on a mission from God. The guys out of his fucking mind.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:07 PM
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9. I'm not a "doctor" but then he's not the "President" so I feel qualified
to say he's a psychotic fuckstick.
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:09 PM
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11. heehee
:thumbsup:
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:13 PM
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12. He's a sociopath who is also a sandwich
Edited on Sat Oct-16-04 03:13 PM by shraby
shy of a picnic...a ladder missing some rungs..his elevator doesn't go to the top..a brick shy of a load...any more?
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FizzFuzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:27 PM
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16. a load shy of a septic tank overflow n/t
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Demit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:36 PM
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18. somebody blew his pilot light out.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 04:39 PM
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29. Doesn't have all his bats in the same belfry...
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:26 PM
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15. Touche!
very funny!
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 04:39 PM
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28. LOL :) eom
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 04:49 PM
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32. Bring it ON dude, that reply is priceless!
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:16 PM
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13. Yeah, sh*thouse rat sane.
:crazy:
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:19 PM
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14. see the article in LBN
from the NYT. He's clearly nuts.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 04:52 PM
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34. Link? I looked and couldn't find it. eom
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devinsgram Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:31 PM
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17. No, he needs help,
a lot of it.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:39 PM
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19. Pathological narcissist. (Narcissistic Personality Disorder per DSM-IV.)
Edited on Sat Oct-16-04 03:53 PM by TahitiNut
Dual diagnosis as Antisocial Personality Disorder. If there's any justice, the next issue of the DSM will include his photo.


Read all about it - http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Narcissistic+Personality+Disorder%22+DSM-IV&btnG=Google+Search

In particular ... http://www.opednews.com/wolmanispresnuts.htm
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:52 PM
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22. Some believe he's a "Dry Drunk" ...
"Dry Drunk" Syndrome - Alan Bisbort and Katherine van Wormer on Addiction, Brain Damage and President George W. Bush.
What is a "Dry Drunk" and why do some analysts say that George W. Bush has symptoms of being a "Dry Drunk"?

A "Dry Drunk" is a recovering alcoholic no longer drinking, yet whose thinking is clouded.

In American Politics Journal (October 11, 2002), inspired by Alan Bisbort's article "Dry Drunk " -- Is Bush Making a Cry for Help?, Katherine van Wormer discusses the symptoms. "Such an individual", she writes, "tends to go to extremes."

Behavior patterns tend to include many of the following:

* Childish behavior
* Egocentricity and ethnocentricity.
* Exaggerated self-importance and pomposity
* Extreme language
* Grandiose behavior
* Impatience
* Irrational rationalization
* Irresponsible behavior
* Obsessive repetition. "There are organic reasons for this due to brain chemistry irregularities; messages in one part of the brain become stuck there."
* Overreaction.
* Rigid, judgmental outlook.
* Polarized thinking. Good versus evil. "All-or-nothing thinking ... traps people in a pattern of destructive behavior."
* Projection

Is it possible to be "Drunk on Power"? Senator William Fulbright (in The Arrogance of Power) wrote "The causes and consequences of war may have more to do with pathology than with politics, more to do with irrational pressures of pride and pain than with rational calculation of advantage and profit."

Alan Bisbort list of characteristics of the "dry drunk" include:

* Incoherence while departed from prepared speaking remarks.
* Irritability with anyone who disagrees with him.
* Obsessing about a single thing.

Bush drank heavily, starting in his teens he began years of binge drinking. He was convicted in 1976 in Maine for D.U.I. He has chosen to not speak about his reported drug use during that time.

At age 40, he decided to abstain from alcohol.

Van Wormer suggests that George W. Bush has the traits "of addictive persons who still have the thought patterns that accompany substance abuse" and that residual effects from his substance abuse could cloud his thinking and judgment. She writes: "His behavior is consistent with barely noticeable but meaningful brain damage brought on by years of heavy drinking and possible cocaine use."

(Katherine van Wormer is a Professor of Social Work at the University of Northern Iowa.)
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:40 PM
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20. He's nuts and also, if he knew 9 more things he'd be an idiot.
:grr:
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:42 PM
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21. Nutty as a fruitcake.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:54 PM
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23. Hey! "Nutty" isn't a BAD thing.
:silly: And Jimmy Buffet's "Fruit Cakes" is a favorite of mine.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:55 PM
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24. "sane" is a legal term
He is a sociopath. Mentally ill. Mentally and emotionally defective.


If that's what you mean.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 03:56 PM
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25. Read this ...
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 04:12 PM
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26. This man
could keep a psychiatrist's convention ON FIRE for an entire weekend. They'd compare notes and go down the list of all BeetleBrain's symptoms.

They'd present a diagnosis, and get up on the stage and make a presentation. "Our President, George W. Bush, is the victim of ________ disease". Or some character disorder. Then someone else would jump up on the stage and contradict and explain that Bush is actually a practicing alcoholic and drug user and that's his main problem. Dry the guy out, and he'll be fine, provided he goes to meetings.

Someone else jumps up and explains it's all his relationship to Mommy and Daddy that made him the complete Shitbag he is today. Then there's the sympathetic shrink, who feels that if George picked better friends, he wouldn't be acting so crazy right now.

A shrink who digs astrology will get up and explain that George was born under a bad star and that's the problem.

The point is, THEY'RE ALL CORRECT. I believe George has all the symptoms. Just take a look on the Internet. There are literally THOUSANDS of articles which go into the disgusting depths of this man's psyche.

My verdict: George W. Bush is Mabus. The horrible servant of the Dark Side who will usher the AntiChrist onto the world stage. That AntiChrist is Dark Cheney. He's a sick man, but not sick enough that he can't get that agenda accomplished. He's a pawn, short and simple.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 04:15 PM
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27. Arrogant, elitist, incurious, and stupid.
Edited on Sat Oct-16-04 04:17 PM by Cat Atomic
He also has a strong sense of entitlement. But he's sane.
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NAO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 04:45 PM
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30. The Madness of George Bush - A Reflection of our Collective Psychosis
THE MADNESS OF GEORGE W. BUSH: A REFLECTION OF OUR COLLECTIVE PSYCHOSIS
http://www.awakeninthedream.com/georgews.html

Full length version of the article "Madness of Bush" here:
http://www.awakeninthedream.com/georgew.html

Excerpt from "Madness of Bush":

George W. Bush is ill. He has a psycho-spiritual dis-ease of the soul, a sickness that is endemic to our culture and symptomatic of the times we live in. It's an illness that has been with us since time immemorial. Because it' s an illness that's in the soul of all of humanity, it pervades the field and is in all of us in potential at any moment, which makes it especially hard to diagnose. Bush's malady is quite different from schizophrenia, for example, in which all the different parts of the personality are fragmented and not connected to each other, resulting in a state of internal chaos. As compared to the dis-order of the schizophrenic, Bush can sound quite coherent and can appear like such a "regular," normal guy, which makes the syndrome he is suffering from very hard to recognize. This is because the healthy parts of his personality have been co-opted by the pathological aspect, which drafts them into its service. Because of the way the personality self-organizes an outer display of coherence around a pathogenic core, I would like to name Bush's illness "malignant egophrenic (as compared to schizophrenic) disorder," or "ME disorder," for short. If ME disorder goes unrecognized and is not contained, it can be very destructive, particularly if the person is in a position of power.

In much the same way that a child's psychology cannot be understood without looking at the family system he or she is a part of, George Bush does not exist in isolation. We can view Bush and his entire Administration (Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Ashcroft, Powell, Wolfowitz, etc), as well as the corporate, military industrial complex that they are co-dependently enmeshed with, the media that they control, and the voters that support them, as interconnected parts of a whole system, or a "field." Instead of relating to any parts of this field as an isolated entity, it's important to contemplate the entire interdependent field as the "medium" though which malignant egophrenia manifests and propagates itself. ME disease is a field phenomenon, and needs to be contemplated as such...

People who don't recognize Bush's illness and support him are colluding with and enabling in the co-creation of the pathological field that is birthing itself through him into the human family. People who vote for Bush are somehow blind to what is very obvious to others. It's as if they've become hypnotized and fallen under the spell that Bush is casting. People who support Bush become unwitting agents through which this non-local disease feeds and replicates itself. By supporting Bush they are collaborating with and becoming parts of the greater, interconnected and self-organizing field of the disease...

Just like Hitler struck a chord deep in the German unconscious, Bush is touching something very deep in the American psyche. Bush is acting out on the world stage an under-developed psychological process that deals simplistically with issues such as good and evil. It's as if he hasn't grown out of and fully differentiated from the realm of mythic, archetypal fantasy that is typical of early adolescence. This immature aspect of Bush's process speaks to and resonates with those voters who support him, as it is a reflection of their own under-developed inner process...

Malignant egophrenia has so taken over President Bush as its living embodiment that this deadly disease could be said to be incarnating itself through him. Because of his position of power, Bush is able to act out and give shape and form to his inner pathology in such a way that his inner process is both literally, as well as symbolically, getting played out as the world process. Bush's process, as well as the world's process, is a reflection of our own process. ME disease is unique in that it collapses the boundary between inner and outer. Egophrenia is an inner disease of the soul that expresses itself via the medium of the outside world.

The malignant egophrenia epidemic is happening right in front of us, for all who have eyes to see. If we don't look at what's happening, if we turn away, ignore it, and contract against it, we are lying to ourselves. Then we're colluding with and unknowingly feeding the disease. Our looking away is a form of blindness. Our looking away is a form of ignorance. Our looking away, our contraction, IS itself the disease. Our resulting complacency and inaction is, in fact, an expression of our lack of compassion. To quote Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. "One who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as the one who perpetrates it."...

Being truly patriotic and compassionate in our current situation involves doing everything and anything we can, however big or small, to remove Bush and his regime from office, for their good, as well as our own. It's our responsibility to recognize the extreme danger of our situation and to do something about it. This is what Al Gore was trying to tell us in his speech when he ended with the quote by Abraham Lincoln, "We- even we here- hold the power, and bear the responsibility." Now is the time to act before it is too late. As the Reverend Martin Luther King Jr. says "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter."

Awaken In the Dream
http://www.awakeninthedream.com/

The Bush Cult
http://www.awakeninthedream.com/bushcult.html

Why Do Bush Supporters Deny the Obvious?
http://www.awakeninthedream.com/bushsupporters.html








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PhuLoi Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 04:48 PM
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31. Barking mad.
He is as mentally unstable and as cognitively impaired as Ronald Reagan was. In stressfull situations, his comportment has the longevity of a glass hammer. Messrs Kerry and Edwards, on the otherhand, consistently exude a calmness that reminds one of a python digesting a valium addict. (Thank you Messrs. Pratchett and Adams.)
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 04:51 PM
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33. Definite delusions of grandeur
Edited on Sat Oct-16-04 04:51 PM by plastic_turkeys
Some God-Bush Messianic complex goin' on. When he said he only consults His "heavenly Father", not his earthly one it hit me. Fooby-shooby.
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suegeo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 04:54 PM
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35. I think he's certifiable.
I think he's mentally off, and I think it's something his mother did do him when he was little.

She messed him up, then set him loose on the world.

I'm not a psychologist, so I can't diagnose exactly what his problem is, nor what the cure could be.

But living in America these last 3.5 years has sure felt like living in a dysfunctional family.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-16-04 05:24 PM
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36. He's not even close to being sane. n/t
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 07:38 AM
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37. UK Observer (today): Has Bush lost his reason?
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1329254,00.html
A senior Republican, experienced and wise in the ways of Washington, told me last Friday that he does not necessarily accept that Bush is unstable, but what is clear, he added, is that he is now manifestly unfit to be President.

This, too, is a view that is widely felt, but seldom articulated and then only in private, within the Republican as well as Democratic establishments in Washington. Either way, the choice voters make on Tuesday fortnight should be obvious: whether he is unstable or merely unfit to be President - and I would argue that they amount to much the same - he should speedily be turfed out of office.

But Bush and his handlers like Cheney are driven, if nothing else, by a primal and overriding need to win, to destroy enemies who are blocking their way (shades, again, of Nixon?). Thus the speeches Bush now reads to the Republican faithful at his campaign meetings reflect their intent to demonise and annihilate Kerry's character in the eyes of the electorate; policy statements made by Kerry are wilfully distorted and then endlessly repeated so that, in the end, the distortions gain a credence among the majority who do not follow such matters closely.

Whether the American electorate choose to see the mounting, disturbing evidence about their President or whether they rally to Cheney's obscenely manipulative appeals for their patriotic support is still up in the air.


As a BBC radio listener said today: If there was the promise of curing brain damage causing by alcohol abuse, would Bush support stem cell research?
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