Those Neocon Israel supporters who have cast their lot with Bush and

[KlatooBNikto]

the Christian Rightwing fundametalists are in for a rude surprise, if Bush is elected.Bush will throw them over the wall and go to bed with his Saudi paymasters because the only loyalty Bush has is to oil money.Like they say in Texas, Oil is thicker than water.

[stepnw1f]

1. Ironic Isn't It?

I'm sick of all Bush Supporters. I'm sick of all religious extremists. Maybe we should let it all happen. (kidding)

[PCIntern]

2. You're right...

and as an avid Israel supporter I say, get off the Bush bandwagon - he'll sell us out in a nanosecond.

I tell all the people I meet who express concern for Israel with a Kerry Admin. that the only US Prez who ever publicly said something horrible about Israel was this guy's Daddy in the famous conversation with Baker heard round the world.

Bush has propped up the Sharon gov't leading to near catastrophe - and I have to tell you, there are few more logically fanatical in the support of Israel than I but this is the wrong methodology and they've hitched their wagon to the wrong horses.

But rmember the famous saying: Jews live like WASP's and vote like Puerto Ricans. They'll ultimately come thru for Kerry, the question is what is the plurality? Should be no more than 26-27% for Bushco.

[Must_B_Free]

5. Kerry even technically is a jew by racist standards

and his brother Cam is a practicing jew. He'll have a little more vested interest in a jewish viewpoint than Bush who will sell jewish interests down stream at the appropriate time.

remember in Bush's evangelical mythology, the jews serve as a vehicle for Apocalypse and only a few convert - the rest are killed.

[JohnKleeb]

6. Cam Kerry is a practing Jew? I did not know that

Kerry is half Jewish by race standards you mean, his mom was French-British.

[Must_B_Free]

9. ref

NEW YORK, Sept. 22 (JTA) -- In a ritual well known to Jewish New Yorkers, Sen. John Kerry's campaign participated in a tradition this week that long has been a prerequisite of campaigning in the city Rev. Jesse Jackson once infamously dubbed "Hymietown."

The campaign came to a kosher deli.

The Democratic nominee himself was busy stumping in Florida--a state where, unlike New York, the vote actually may matter this year--so his Jewish brother, Cameron Kerry, was dispatched to eat the obligatory smoked-meat sandwich on Manhattan's Lower East Side.

"I had the pastrami," Kerry said when asked about his menu selection. "It was good pastrami--tender." http://www.interfaithfamily.com/article/issue144/heilman.phtml

[JohnKleeb]

11. That's interesting

Thanks, so is Kerry our first president with confirmed Jewish ancestry? that would be nice. Though I at heart as a part Irish Catholic wish he really were Irish, though he's Czech Jewish which is cool because I am also Slovak Catholic.

[ladybugg33]

21. Jewish ancestry is not the problem. It's support of the Sharon government

and its policies that is the problem. Until there is a fair and balanced position by the US with respect to the Israeli/Palestinian issue there will be little of hope of a peaceful resolution of the Israeli occupation and without that the US will never have peace.

[Must_B_Free]

12. I think race standards are a phallacy

but Kerry definitely qualifies to return to Israel under the law of the return.

"A 1970 amendment accords the right to immigrate to Israel to non-Jews who are either children or grandchildren of a Jew, the spouse of a Jew or the spouse of a child or grandchild of a Jew. "

[Bombtrack]

10. "by racist standards"? Um, I don't think so. His ethic jewishness comes

from his fathers side. Supposedly you're a jew if your mother was a jew. His mom was an eastern establishment wasp. And his fathers father I believe was a jew named Kohn who converted to Catholicism and the name Kerry.

So I don't see how he's "a jew" by any standards. He's partly ethnically "Jewish" but that's it. Sorry I don't know alot about "racist standards" when I come to think of it.

[Must_B_Free]

14. He concept of the right of bloodline in intricately tied into Judiasm

A one line summary of the religion would have to include the identity of "God's chosen people".

This gets into racial practices that are prevalent to every culture with an historical identity stretching back that far - Hindus, Jews, Muslims, Christians all have a sense of chastity (i.e. a guarantee of blood purity in offspring") being a prerequisite of the marriage bargain.

Chasity belts, the ritual inspection of the hymen, etc. attest to this.

[Toronto Ron]

7. I'm with you, PCI

Also a supporter of Israel, I point out the following to others of our ilk who support the b*sh gang:

1) In the Middle East, these fuckers are loyal only to the Saudi royals.

2) One of the b*shgang's most powerful constituencies in the U.S. are lunatics who truly belive that all Jews are destined to go to hell. But until that day, Jews are entrusted to guard the holy land. Go figure.

3) Too much in common between current-day Repug foot-soldiers and Hitler's brownshirts.

These assholes will "fuck the Jews" as soon as it's politically expedient for them to do so.

[JohnKleeb]

8. I think Jews will be a solid vote for Kerry

Proud of em for sticking with the party so long, I wish my demographic (Catholics) had stayed more democratic.

[sweetheart]

3. Are you sure, i think his only loyalty is to terrorism

aggressive war and mass murder. I expect much more of these
if he can subvert another one.

[AntiFascist]

4. Didn't Bill Maher quote a startling statistic that....

17% of all Americans believe that the world will come to an end in their lifetime? Assuming most of these are fundis, would you really want to be on THEIR side?

[Bombtrack]

13. Yeah they completely missed the point on that stat

Alanis Morisette, who didn't really impress me very much and was more of a captain-obvious with her "insights", thought it was a more liberal thought that the world was going to end.

But if you put 2 and 2 together it clearly comes from the scary-ass end-times extra-chromosome-right movement. Encouraged by the Lahaye-heads.

[peacetalksforall]

15. That's a lot of ego or faith or non-faith. 17% ...during their lifetime?

[PCIntern]

16. Democratic candidates and the Jews:

I'll never forget when Kitty Dukakis was being interviewed by none other than Barbara Walters, Baba Wawa asked her "Will there be a Seder in the WH?" since Kitty was full-blooded Yid.

That was the end of that campaign...that very night people all over the country began to get the message.

When I met Baba at a party given by a very close acquaintance to both of us here in Philly, and I asked her whether she knew that that was an incendiary question, she "just smiled and turned away" as Don McLean once wrote/sang.

I maintain tha Lieberman 'helped' in FL, but sank Gore in TN and AK. not discussed by the media 'cause there ain't no sich thang as anti-Semites no mo'. Not 'round these parts...

[peacetalksforall]

17. Maybe all the good thoughts I've ever had about BW vanished with

that story. So she is a partisan hack?

[PCIntern]

19. she's ABC news

what more need be said...?

they are almost the worst, right behind NBC, CNN, FOX, and about 500 other syndicates. CBS is barely above water but we'll give them the benefit of the doubt...

[peacetalksforall]

22. Agree.

[AntiFascist]

18. I've heard this argument about Lieberman as well, but now....

I think it would be a double whammy against him also being a neocon. I'd love to see Jews in the cabinet who don't go along with the Likud party.

[PCIntern]

20. I don't think we're supposed to be discussing

this here in this forum too much, so I'll swing back to religion rather than Eretz Yisrael...

For some reason, the Kerry connection to his Jewish heritage has been quiet for a while - maybe they'll spring it. The problem is that the Bushies love the Israelis for the wrong reasons - the prerapture apocalypse stuff.

God help us all...