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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:34 PM
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''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality."

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/16/73538/264#392


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You think Bush has little respect for science and rational thought? Put yourself in the shoes of a reporter as it dawns on you that the logical, rational way of approaching the world just got thrown out the window:

In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend -- but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.

The aide said that guys like me were ''in what we call the reality-based community,'' which he defined as people who ''believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.'' I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ''That's not the way the world really works anymore,'' he continued. ''We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''

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it's true, they are insane
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:36 PM
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1. That just makes my blood run cold...nothing more to say.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:45 PM
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2. Really extraordinary.
Even Orwell would be amazed. I'd sure like to know who that aide was.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:45 PM
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3. "How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?"
"We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality."


"Only the disciplined mind can see reality, Winston. You believe that reality is something objective, external, existing in its own right. You also believe that the nature of reality is self-evident. When you delude yourself into thinking that you see something, you assume that everyone else sees the same thing as you. But I tell you, Winston, that reality is not external. Reality exists in the human mind, and nowhere else. Not in the individual mind, which can make mistakes, and in any case soon perishes: only in the mind of the Party, which is collective and immortal. Whatever the Party holds to be the truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality except by looking through the eyes of the Party. That is the fact that you have got to relearn, Winston. It needs an act of self-destruction, an effort of the will. You must humble yourself before you can become sane."
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:46 PM
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4. Souds like right-wing post-modernism
n/t
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MichiganVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 01:59 PM
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5. He left out the part about re-writing reality when it serves their
unrealistic purpose. And BTW, this is a "reality" that is hardly new.

Me thinks they are far more impressed by their assumed omnipotence.
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ScrewyRabbit Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 02:07 PM
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6. Yup, 1100 dead Americans and tens of thousands of dead Iraqis
That's a reality they made, alright.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 02:34 PM
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7. I don't think they're are any REALISTS who are going to accuse other
Edited on Sun Oct-17-04 02:35 PM by higher class
REALISTS of wearing a tinfoil hat if they believe this. It explains nearly everything. Now we know, mind control and brainwashing are alive and well. Read the entire DailyKos words about this.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 02:55 PM
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8. Not insane, drunk with power.
Look at the language... it's all about power. "We're history's actors," and "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality."

It goes back to Suskind's thesis: they think that they're God. No wonder they get along so well with the Moonies.

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Selwynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-17-04 02:59 PM
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9. Brutal - but damn, pretty true.
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