Which of the major constituencies of this admin do you find the most scary

[salin]

the multinatinal corporate/globalizationists (with loyalty to profits over patriotism)?

the "lets bring on Armeggedon" and "do like the taliban and make extreme fundamentalism the law of the land" religious right?

the "endless wars and endless instability" neocons?

Please explain your choice.

[shraby]

1. To me it makes no difference,

Because if Bush is elected, we get the whole basket of apples, worms and all.

[fugue]

2. Let's bring on Armageddon

You can't reason with that or distract it. If you can get the neocons money by another route, they might take it, ditto the multinationals. But religion is precisely the absence of reason and any alternative.

[salin]

4. I suspect that their influence will wane with time

(hopefully if not too late)... they scare too many folks with their anti-american views (eg against the constitution, against accepting others, against democracy, etc.)

[ulysses]

3. I think the fundies are the scariest

but the multinationalists are the most dangerous.

[salin]

5. I would agree on both points

I think the neocon ascendancy will be short lived (they are discredited even in their own circles).

The fundies political influence will wane (for reasons cited above)

The multinationalists (esp the financiers) have no loyalty to anyone, and many have a peculiarly unique lack of concern for life (eg dumping unsafe/toxic products on third world countires, or labor practices that would would make simon legre cringe....) to them, as a friend has often pointed out, a massive level of death due to their policies wouldn't be viewed as a bad thing... just a natural thinning out of over population... *shudder*

The problem with this answer is, that while the first two fade in terms of power and influence if the GOP loses its lock... this group survives and meddles regardless of who holds power in DC.

[ulysses]

6. exactly so.

The problem with this answer is, that while the first two fade in terms of power and influence if the GOP loses its lock... this group survives and meddles regardless of who holds power in DC.

The ones to worry about long-term aren't the nutcakes we know so well from the front lines of the repro-rights battles or the "Left Behind" Armageddon-heads. The neocons, too, will be short-lived. The ones we'll have to keep fighting again and again are the faceless ghouls whose only allegiance is to money.

[Maat]

7. I agree with you guys.

Having trouble with my fundie relatives. No logic works on them; no presentation of facts works to influence them.

But I fear the multi-national corps.' influence in the long run more than anyone.

Of course, some of them are owned by the leaders of the fundie orgs.

[salin]

9. which always amuses me.... given how contradictory

said corporate practices are with Christianity... all a ruse.

[ulysses]

10. that's where we need to hit them, though.

The alliance of the Christian Right and the corporatists is artificial. I think we could really split the GOP if we just hit the right target.

[salin]

11. the hard part about doing that

is that Robertson worked for years to quietly politicize pulpits... to push out from power ministers who focus on Christ's teachings of social justice... thus those who would be likely to "break" away and lead their congregation - are no longer in front of many congregations. Thus what the people hear is faux Christianity which somehow equates laisez faire economics (and monopolistic practices) with Christianity. Have to have a long-term strategy - like the one working from the right - to begin to rend apart this alliance.

[ulysses]

12. it's gotta start somewhere, though.

That "somewhere" is the Christian left. Forge a strong alliance between black churches and liberal mainstream white congregations.

[salin]

8. Intially I wondered if this undying support for bushco

was folly on their part... after all if consumers have drastically less money - then who consumes (the wealthy is a relatively small market in terms of commodoties and goods)... until one realizes that there is a much larger consumption market than the us... if one were to slightly raise the standard of living in say India or China... there is a HUGE consumption market to be had...

[porphyrian]

13. I fucking hate all of them. - n/t

[camero]

14. All of them

The Pat Robertsons and PNACers are all on the corporate boards of most of the multinationals who are raping the earth through globalization.

One hand washes the other with them.

[Cat Atomic]

15. Definitely the Christian right.

Corporatists are perfectly happy to see wages going down and things like that, but they don't truly want to break the system. They only want to steal money from it.

The endless war Neocons are, I think, a loony minority who would never get anywhere near power without the broad support of the fundamentalists.

The Christian right, on the other hand, is comparable to the people who actually did the dirty work during the Iranian revolution. When push comes to shove, they've got the control. And I definitely think they'd be happy with some sort of theocratic dictatorship.

[Robbie67]

16. All of them

They're all voting for George W. Bush, and that in itself is scary.

[lfs5]

17. Multinationalists-one world government types

Patriot Act II would create 15 new death penalties, one of which could be applied to acts of protest. Under the Hastert measure's definitions, anti-war protesters could be deemed terrorists. In fact, any dissident could be spied on, harassed, and imprisoned indefinitely for exercising their legal and constitutionally protected rights.

ANYONE HAVE FURTHER INFORMATON ON THIS??? Death penalties for protests--anti-war demonstrators??

Info ftrom political soundoff.com

[Jacobin]

18. The Fundie/Likud alliance will bring this country down

They are all completely bonkers

[mmonk]

19. sheesh where does one start

There are the judicial radicals which are determined to take away certain rights, there's the war nuts, there's the fundamentalists which represents both desires, etc.

[Cleita]

20. The religious fundamentalists because

their followers are true believers. Either of the other constituencies can be minimalized in power and influence, but true believers are really hard to neutralize and force into compromise.