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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 12:29 AM
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Deeply disturbing article about Ohio and Gays at www.salon.com
Edited on Mon Oct-18-04 12:51 AM by roguevalley
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/18/gayohio/index.html

Homosexuals are Hell-bound: (This is taken from a part of it that tells about a debate) (EDIT: WHOOPS! Putting a colon inside of a bracket thing makes a smiley face and nothing about this makes me smile.)

Melamed, a distinguished-looking, gray-haired man in a well-cut blue suit and burgundy tie, begins the debate by emphasizing the likely legal and economic fallout from Issue 1. But Johnston, a blond, pink-faced 33-year-old, has no intention of arguing on Melamed's terms. "Even if Ohio would be better off, gays should not be allowed to marry," he says, because homosexuality is a sin that "merits discrimination." In fact, he says, "I support and endorse the criminalization of homosexuality."

Preaching like a street-corner revivalist, Johnston musters quotes from both the Bible and Dostoevski to make the tautological argument that those who reject his vision of Christianity lack the foundation to make any moral arguments. "The proof for the Christian ethic which condemns homosexual marriage is the impossibility of the contrary," he says. "Reject the Christian ethic and you have no basis for making moral judgments."

The audience stares at him in open-mouthed amazement. Looking like she's been slapped, McClellan walks out of the room and starts crying. "My father was a D-Day lander and a World War II hero," she says later. "He freed two concentration camps. All I could think of was here are all of these people who have fought and given their lives to keep our country free of maniacal people like that guy. This guy reminded me of a Hitler youth. At this stage of our evolution, why is there such a maniacal hatred of people?"

Had she checked out Johnston's Web site, she wouldn't have been so shocked. Unlike national religious right leaders, Johnston isn't coy about his agenda. He publishes poems like "America's Final Crisis," which prophesies that, unless the country adopts biblical law, "You'll be governed by queers and whores" and tyrannized with a "U.N. branded sword." In case that's not clear enough, he also offers a tract titled, "Convincing Reasons HOMOSEXUALS are HELLBOUND!"

During a question-and-answer period, someone says they'd once heard Johnston call for the execution of gays and lesbians. He vigorously denies the charge. Later, he tells me that the decision to put gays to death is a matter best left up to the states. "If we ever had a nation sufficiently Christian" to make homosexuality illegal, he says, imposing capital punishment for homosexuality would be a subject for "an in-house debate. There were capital crimes in the Bible, and that would be something debated."

At the end of the gathering, Melamed gives a stirring peroration. He speaks of being a young boy enthralled with JFK and hope for America. "What does this issue mean? It's all about what this country means," he says. Referring to Johnston, he declares, "When the light shines on this kind of rhetoric, their hopes dim and they're dimming every day." His voice keeps rising. "This amendment will be defeated and I hope I never see the day when this kind of rhetoric prevails in this country." The audience leaps to their feet as he finishes, applauding both his words and his conviction that decency will carry the day.

In large swaths of Ohio, though, as in large swaths of America, Johnston's rhetoric is already prevailing.

There's more at the website. Its too depressing for me to put it all here. Read it. Its a wake-up call, Ohio.
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WMliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 12:34 AM
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1. cherrypicking bible quotes
to reinforce their hate. there's no reasoning with them. The best we can do is outvote them!
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drfemoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 12:37 AM
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2. gawed
It's not only the evil, but the ignorance and so-called 'self' righteousness we have to overcome. :cry:
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cyr330 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 12:49 AM
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3. Pastor Rod Parsley of Ohio
I apologize for offending anybody, but Pastor Parsley of Ohio should be sent downriver to Parchman, Louisiana's state penitentiary. I suspect that Pastor Parsley could be made to love having hard organs inserted in his rectum on a regular basis. He is a disgusting human being, and his homophobia is appalling.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 12:54 AM
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4. LOL
Edited on Mon Oct-18-04 12:59 AM by Djinn
"Reject the Christian ethic and you have no basis for making moral judgments."

would that be the same "ethic" that supports a God that believed in incest (hello Adam/Eve and their sons??) killed the first born of Egypt, declared that wanking is a worse sin than fucking your relatives, advocated slavery...etc etc etc

Quite frankly if there IS the kind of God/heaven these freaks say there is I'd RATHER burn in hell for all eternity than spend a second of the afterlife in their bitter twisted frigid company
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:01 AM
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5. That's the sort of person the Republicans decided to court
over the last decade or so. They rode the wave to electoral success, but alot of them are worried that they've got a tiger by the tail nowadays. Guys like that seem to be gaining more and more access to the mainstream- especially the mainstream of the Republican Party.
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:06 AM
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6. these hate-spewing bastards *are* the Beast of Revelations
call these hatemongers the servants of satan and be done with it. no time for this madness; let them choke on the shock of being called devil worshippers.
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:07 AM
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7. Yeah, selective religion ...
is the very worst kind! Picking this or that out and using it to support any hatred or anger for others is just a facade of self-justification.

"Judge not, lest ye be judged." means nothing to that mindset. That is sad.

I wish they could stop preaching it and pushing it though. I don't think anyone cares what they believe, its how they project it in a witch-hunt way onto others. It makes Christianity sound more like Fascism and hardly anything like Christ.

One glaring thing that has some psychological implications is that they express an obsession with other peoples sexuality and reproduction. Perhaps it has to do with the repression of their own desires by way of the interpretations they make of sexual prohibitions.
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DivinBreuvage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 01:12 AM
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8. Our God is an Awesome God! Thank God for good Godly Ohioans like this
As a married hetorosexual woman I strongly endorse the "Biblical" definition of marriage and believe that anything else is sinful, wrong, and hated in the eyes of God.

My husband should be allowed to have multiple wives just like Jacob and some of the other Biblical patriarchs, none of whom were chastised by God for this. And I would willingly ask him to have sex with our slave girl to get himself an heir just as Abraham did. And Abraham was indeed accounted righteous... the Bible itself explicitly says so.

Oh yeah, and you wouldn't BELIEVE the things we have to go through as a godly family in our household when I get my period.
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Pushed To The Left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 02:27 AM
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9. The religious right
The religious right needs to suffer a crushing defeat. I don't care whether it's an election, in the courts, or wherever, but they need to be squashed.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 05:18 AM
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10. Sunday's Cincinnati Enquirer...
... featured several articles on what it's like to be gay in Zinzinnati. I fear for gays all over this land should Bush and his evangelical hatemongers continue to grab power in this country.

BTW, the link for the Enquirer is www.enquirer.com
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-18-04 05:28 AM
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11. Enquirer continues gay features in Monday paper (w/poll!)
http://www.enquirer.com/today/
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2004/10/18/loc_loc1gaypar.html (links to their Sunday and Monday articles on gay life in cinci)

Please take a moment to participate in their poll!
http://frontier.cincinnati.com/comments/threadView.asp?threadid=69
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