Is Bush due a karmic bitch-slap?

[bliss_eternal]

Do any of you believe in karma? If so do you think that eventually Bush will have to face a huge karmic pay back?

Why do I ask this? Well I was thinking about the situation of Ronald Reagan (sr.), who cut just every program he could that had anything to do with mental health. There are still people that are living on the streets as a result of his closure of many mental health facilities. Reagan's karmic bitch slap? He got Alzheimers disease. He cut the very funding that may have helped himself in later years. Now that's irony. Of course some may say that this is merely coincidence.

So, is it at all possible that Shrub will get his as well? Or at least an ironic set of circumstances that may smack of some of the unjustice he has dished out during his term?

Anyway, eager to hear any thoughts on this...

Feistygrrl:)
p.s. no disrespect intended toward anyone that may have actually liked Reagan or the decisions of his administration.

[laruemtt]

1. karma is simply a law of physics:

for every action there is an equal reaction. in other words, he'll get his. count on it.

[FlemingsGhost]

2. Forget Reagan, someone will be offended by that "b-word."

Sooner or later. Mark my words ...

[bliss_eternal]

10. Tried to edit, but couldn't...:(

I'd like to offer my sincerest apologies then for my choice of words. I mean no offense or to insult in any way.

I did try to edit, but was having computer issues. Now I can't as it is too late to edit. Sorry...

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

3. With a 2x4 and that goes for Reagan too.

Both morons and sociopaths.

[Tace]

4. And His Offspring For Hundreds Of Generations

Just stating fact

[graywarrior]

5. The bigger the front, the bigger the back.

Payback's a bitch.

[patrice]

6. All energy is conserved. That includes negative energy.

I was looking at clouds and started thinking about this the other day. (I lost someone close to me and am in the process of losing another now.)

What if, when you die, your soul (or whatever you "soul" is) changes its "state", like different forms of the same element, it coalesces with whatever it shares affinity with. Like water changing its form, as a soul changes from here to hereafter, it is possible for it to find other souls. The affinity between one soul and another might be the degree to which they share the truth. When we make the leap into the black hole of death, you're either relatively weak or strong depending on how real you were in your human experiences.

Does any of this make sense?

[laruemtt]

8. nice concept.

[sweetheart]

9. tibetan book of the dead

What you describe is not far from the bardo(dream) state description
of death in the tibetan book.

You naturally coalesce around the core "energy" level of your life
at death, and that is where you reincarnate... so, for example,
princess diana, in her last years fought the landmine campaign and
truly polished her most highest aspect.... saintly death..
Similarly, christopher reeves, is a superhero beyond life, for his
outstanding bravery and deep mission.

Karma is not necessarily that the universe has "good" and "bad"
poles... that's rather simplistic, or that good poles are opposing
bad ones. Karma is rather the "trend", and that, in all likelihood,
one will follow the trend after death that one followed in life.

Bush, in my seeing, is a reincarnate pope from the dark ages like
(Pope Innocent III), and he's on-trend starting pogroms and race wars
that will affect the human race for long time periods just like his
former work. And all you have to do, is see his face, to realize
that he's already suffering for it.

I pray godspeed to you and your family for your loss.

namaste,
-s

[billyskank]

14. Karma is fruitive work

anything that you do that will bear any kind of fruit, is karma. Everything that we do gets paid back to us in full. This happens in the direct method that we can all observe (I do a job, for my employer, who pays me in return) as well as less direct means that we cannot observe: you do someone a good turn, which will in time lead to something good happening to you, equal in measure to your original act. The converse is also true: you behave like an asshole, and to be sure bad things will befall you in equal measure.

We have many phrases that sum it up, that we're all familiar with: "what comes around goes around" being one. The point is that karma is the action that will bear a fruit, whereas most people think that karma is the reaction instead. This is a common misconception.

[sweetheart]

16. exoteric and esoteric definitions

Karma "IS". There is no karma. That is the esoteric definition.

The exoteric, written, like plato's allegory of the shadows on the
cave wall, is the one you stated.

My enlightened teacher used to tell this story to illustrate karma.

You're driving down the freeway in the morning. You're on your
way to work and in a generally happy mood, when someone
cuts you off and makes you change lands radically in heavy traffic
and almost get in a crash. You get pissed off that the bastard
almost killed you without even noticing, so you speed up, and
follow the guy for 2 miles. Finally, you pull alongside his car
and flip him off: "Fuck you asshole... you almost killed me."
You're so angry, you're shaking, and feel sick.".... THAT is karma.

The exoteric right/wrong view presumes an axiom that the world is
based on these moral poles, and clearly, given the nature of the
natural world, it is not, despite our religious wishes to the
contrary. Karma is based on the ego and the self that carries the
ego in to the present from the past, like a pile of baggage.

Advanced spiritual types leave the ego/past to its own, and do not bring
karma in to the present, so "there is no karma", hence the esoteric
explanation.

It is much more complex than "the law of cause and effect." and
english translations of sanskrit unfortuntately do no service as
they fail to transport the 10,000 years old context from which
the language (sanskrit) comes.

When someone dies, the enlightened celibrate the love and the good
life of the person, and do not indulge in morbid attachment as it
only helps bind the person to "self" and is not helping them to
move on in to the light. Rather to let the person go completely and
wish them godspeed in to the light with logos (unconditional love),
is the proper ettiquette.

Karma is, that an enlightened person read a post today, and erased
the self that wrote it, leaving only the light of eternity shining
brillintly in everything. :-)

[Technowitch]

7. I believe in what we Wiccans call "The Threefold Rule"

It is the notion that whatever you do, for good or for ill, comes back to you three times over.

Do a good deed for someone, and the Universe (or God or the Goddess or whatever higher power you might believe in) finds some way to reward you three times the 'value' of your deed.

Do something evil or bad or selfish... well, same deal, only it's negativity that comes back to haunt you.

I've seen people here and elsewhere talk about how they want bad things to happen to Shrub, often in specific detail. Or how they want him to pay for his crimes against humanity and the planet and everything decent and good.

My own statements go more like this: Ideally, I'd like him to see the error of his ways, repent, and try to make amends to his many victims. If we can't have that, I'll be satisfied merely if he's no longer in a position to cause the kind of escalating and accelerating harm he's caused throughout his adult life (i.e., go back to Crawford to spend his days clearing brush and pretending to be a rancher). And if we can't have that, I hope that his ability to do harm will somehow be curtailed or thwarted (for example, he 'wins' the election, but loses the Senate).

(And if we can't have that... my sweetie and I are planning to price some property on Victoria Island next year. ;))

But most of all, I say this: I ask only that the Universe give unto him precisely what he deserves, and that it is not my place to say what that is, nor in what measure. I have faith that ultimately justice will be done.

[trof]

11. Due? DUE? How about waaaaayyyy OVERDUE.

To paraphrase Winston Churchill:
Never have so few done so much to screw over so many.
It's a-comin', and it's a-gonna be baaaaad.

[No2W2004]

12. no, not a "bitch slap"

Bush is due a trip to "Karma Jail" to meet his new husband "Bubba" for the next 1000 years.

[SpiralHawk]

13. karma Especial: Bush is having Saturn Return right now

Read all about it in the meeting room.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=111&topic_id=15029

Saturn = lord of karma.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

15. Bush's karma will run over his dogma.

The only way he might avoid a horrendous karmic burden is maybe he goes on TV and says something like: "I and my administration have done a terrible thing. We decided to invade a country that had no capacity to harm us because we were following a rigid ideology. We told you we had to do it because Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction that presented a risk of imminent harm to you, the people of the United States. In fact, we didn't really know or care if that was true; we just knew you'd believe it and the media would believe us and nobody would speak against us, expecially since we made you think Saddam did 9/11, too. We told you the Iraqi people would welcome us with parades and flowers, but we had no plan and we didn't equip the troops properly, and frankly, we didn't care. We got our war. But now a thousand soldiers are dead and thousands of Iraqi civilians are dead and Iraq is in ruins and the rest of the world detests us and it's Vietnam all over again. I did this terrible thing and I don't expect you or the families of the dead soldiers and the dead Iraqis to forgive me. All I can do is resign from the Presidency and surrender myself for prosecution by the International War Crimes Tribunal. I deserve to spend the rest of my life in prison, and I ask only that you pray for my soul."

Maybe that would do it. Maybe.

[Liberal Gramma]

17. No matter what your belief system

doing evil is punished. Some of us can imagine him paying a price here on earth, others wait for divine retribution. But it will happen.

[VOX]

18. His karma is so far in the debt column -- he's heading for a major fall...

In fact, he may be seriously ill already.

For any cloak-and-dagger types who may be reading, let me state emphatically that I wish no bodily harm or injury to befall the president.

I am merely restating what has been conjectured on in the media regarding *'s slurred speech, his various poorly-explained facial scrapes and dings, his "good days and bad days," and most disturbing, his very crooked mouth visible during the third debate -- a possible transient ischemic episode?

[greenbriar]

19. yes, he is going to lose the election and try one of those

"junk lawsuits"

and going to get told to shove it

[RichardRay]

20. Unless he's awfully clean from past births

He's more likely working out the choices he made in the all the previous lives he's lived, as are all of us.

If you're using karma as a kind of New Age shorthand for getting even, that creates a perspective under which one might hope he gets his back, but that's not the perspective fostered in most Buddhists by the idea of karma and rebirth.

Richard Ray - Jackson Hole, WY
(Gone for Refuge, taken Precepts, daily practicing Buddhist)

[bliss_eternal]

21. This is an interesting thread...

the comment regarding retribution for generations to come (paraphrasing), made me think of comments I've always heard about the Kennedys.

I wonder if Bush is ill. I hadn't heard the speculation in the media as I kind of tune out much of what is said about him on television. If he is, it wouldn't be the first time an pres's health status has been hidden from the public. This may sound strange, but I always suspected that Reagan started suffering from Alzheimer's while still in office.
I hope I am wrong about that, though.

If anyone has links to the speculation threads, would you please post them here?

Thanks!

[RichardRay]

25. Health, karma, etc

I don't have links but I've heard multiple sources state that they believe and it's more or less accepted that Ronnie had early symptoms of Alzheimer's while still in office. Of course, sometimes it's hard to distinguish between Alzheimer's and OldTimer's, as my near-90 year old dad calls it.

Karma is a very complex topic. Most teachers would suggest that one not try to analyze which act from which lifetime is driving a particular experience, it's just way too tangled over hundreds of thousands of births. That gives rise to a practice common in Vajrayana Buddhism (my own particular flavor) called 'Seeing All Beings As Your Mother'. Assumeing you didn't have a terrible relationship with your mother, it's recommended that each person realize that it's very likely that at some time in the past even your worst enemy in this life was likely your mother in another one, and that, just as likely, your mother in this life was likely your worst enemy some time ago. It's recommended that one's compassion for one's mother and for one's worst enemy be the same.

I have a bit of a hard time getting behind that in respect to W and my mother (who travelled in the back of Packard witih 5 sisters to pick crops during the Depression). OTOH, if it was easy I wouldn't need to practice so much :-).

Richard Ray - Jackson Hole, WY

[jsquared]

29. Bush may well have the same medical condition as his father

who was hospitalized with cardiac arrhythmia due to Graves disease, which is exacerbated by stress. This happened around Gulf War I and, this condition is very affected by stress. Apparently, Bush I had a wearable defilibrator which is probably the device that is creating GWB's mysterious bulge. The more he tries to be different, the more the similarities come out...

[johnnyrocket]

22. Karma ROCKS, and it's a constant in the universe....

Bush is FUUUUCKED!

[Cha]

23. I like the way you put that...in the

vernacular!

Yes, indeedy, bush is gonna get his "Karmic Bitch-Slap", too!

[robbedvoter]

24. "May the harm you inflict upon others be visited upon you"

So chanted a bunch of vodoo priesteses in front of the Supreme court on January 20, 2001 at the exact moment of the coronation while burning him in efigy.

Funny, when he mentions all the praying for him, it never occurs to him that it's not entirely "for him".

I am only hoping that the timing of this will be right so as to save more innocent lives.

[MsAnthropy]

26. I must be careful about my own karma though

I think by dwelling on it with such glee, as much as I enjoy contemplating his downfall, I endanger my own karma. All we need to know is that there is justice and we all get back what we give out.

[bliss_eternal]

27. Well said!

Only time will tell....

[robbedvoter]

28. Not if you wish actions return to the source

Anything - good should bring on good, bad should bring on bad. Choice is his.

[bvar22]

30. Begs the Karmic question:

What did the World do to deserve bush* as a Karmic payback?

I been good......well, there was that one time....

[not fooled]

31. Here's his karmic bitch-slap:

A pile of dictionaries will fall on him and crush him to death, payback for the way he has treated the English language.