Carville has been hanging on a thread with me! I just cut it.

[trumad]

Carville just lost me with his diss of Jon Stewart! He has become Benjaminized!

[Tropez]

1. He dissed Stewart? WTF!

[Bread and Circus]

2. Good, consider any petition against Carville signed by me.

[AlCzervik]

3. What did he say?

[Ellen Forradalom]

4. What did he say, and in what context?

Perhaps it's an honest difference of opinion.

[Bluebear]

6. "Jon Stewart is a pompous ass and he should leave Ted Koppel alone."

[Catherine Vincent]

17. I guess I heard wrong. I thought Novak was the one that called

Stewart a pompous ass. Carville said that Stewart shouldn't have badmouthed Ted Koppel.

[AlCzervik]

18. That was way out of line and just wrong

Seems they're all getting their backs up against the wall because they have been called out.

[Carolab]

5. Said Stewart

is "a pompous ass"

[trumad]

9. Yes he did

and it was in conjunction with Nofacts dissing John as well..

[ladybugg33]

7. He married Mary didn't he?

Well, how much more do you need to know that sex is thicker than politics!

[RummyTheDummy]

20. They began dating in 1992

When Carville was helping get Bill Clinton elected and Mary was working for Bush-Quayle.

[Luminous Animal]

8. He's afraid

Carville is afraid that he's next on Jon's chopping block.

[oscar111]

11. Carville advised foreign candidates, were some RW?

i wondered when i heard the list.

anyone know for sure? I am not sure on this thing.

[Minstrel Boy]

27. He was advising the Venezuelan RW re: the Chavez recall referendum.

When I learned that, he was finished for me.

[Zhade]

28. Same here. You don't work with coup plotters and remain credible.

VIOLENT coup plotters, might I add. PEOPLE DIED.

Fuck Carville. He's just a corporatist whore anyway, always was.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. Carville always has been a DLC stooge.

Faugh! Send his sorry ass back to Looosiana.

[Lilli]

12. He also said

That Jon wasnt funny.

[drscm]

40. Actually Carville said he was funny, contradicting NoFacts but then added

he was a pompous ass.

[Cleita]

13. Looking to the past a bit.

Remember when Bill Press was the only liberal on Crossfire? Well, he was fired (I think too honest and not willing compromise his beliefs to be a team player) and replaced by Begala and Carville? Well now it appears we know why. Also, remember Mary Matalin has a direct conduit to the White House as an advisor to Dick Cheney. Makes you wonder whose hand is stuck up Carville's ass animating him.

[luaneryder]

14. Count me in that cut cord

All these hacks are threatened by Stewart.

[bemildred]

15. Carville is a competent, well paid tool. nt

[PassingFair]

24. Carville is a craven,

braying ass for the DLC (pardon the negative donkey imagery).

I read his book with Begala and they are so full of themselves that I wouldn't be surprised if they think that THEY won the election for Clinton.

Yuck.

[SoCalDem]

16. He's a paid employee of Time/Warner/Aol..He likes that paycheck

He says what they tell (or expect) him to say. If he was not working for them, he would have another opinion of what Stewart did.. That's why Crossfire...like ALL the pundit shows ...is CRAP.

It's buffoonery at it's worst..

Remember when they went from 1 hour to a half hour?? They did all those promos with Novak,Carville,Carlson & Begala in Boxing rings with cartoonish gloves??

That was when the jumped the shark big time.. CNN sent us a message.. This show is NOT REAL..It's like Batman was back in the 60's.. All that's missing is the "word bubbles" with KER-POW and ZOWIEE in them..

:puke: to ALL of them

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

19. He also "advised" the anti-Chavez forces in Venezuela.

Also, the polling company he works for rigged the polls against Chavez.

Methinks that Jimmy is for Jimmy and whoever pays the most.

[info being]

21. Of course Carville is pro-corporate-status-quo

I knew that all along. Who needs him.

[PurityOfEssence]

22. I agree; and that's a big move

The Mary Matalin idiocy was tough for me to reconcile; after all, if you give a damn about the people, how can you marry a Nazi?

He's a wonderful spokesperson, though, and his heart has traditionally been in the right place--especially with visceral questions like "are you fer it or agin it"--but he's deeply compromised and simply wrong on this issue.

Bill Clinton still hasn't learned that you can't suck up to the right and expect some kind of kid glove treatment; Carville needs to learn this. This man--along with the demonstrably flawed Begala--were employees of Zell Miller, and still don't distance themselves from him as a person. Wrong. Deeply, and morally wrong. Are we to be constantly subjected to the puffed-up posturing of the pathetic macho? If these are the champions of the left, then yes, yes we will.

Fuck you James Carville; you claim, as a through-line of your soul, to stand for the little guy. Yet now, puffed up with indignation at having been called into question, you tred the traditional uber-male path of selfishness: them whut's wronged me ain't got no purchase here.

I long since gave up on Begala, with his pissy, juvenile ad-hominem attacks, his virulent hatred of non-theism, his sucking up to Junior as a "good person" and his need to revel in his being a hunter, but Carville was a source of hope.

We always new that these were pivotal times, but this is deeply sad.

[TahitiNut]

23. A little Cajun anti-Semitism goes a looong way.

:eyes:

[EST]

25. Carville IS DLC.

He is not liberal or progressive, but he IS a democrat and we do need him in this big tent. One must keep in mind that the rich guys, no matter what stripe, view this whole game as merely a little league game, not the life and death struggle we take it for. Much as it gags, an asshole is a very essential part of the body, as is a brain.

[CreekDog]

26. Carville was wrong, Jon was funny!

TC: "I'm 35."

JS: "And you wear a bow-tie?"

...

JS: "Now I'm not saying you're not smart because those are not easy to tie"

========

That was funny as hell and it didn't stop there. Even when Stewart is not being funny, he is funny.

The other thing that Carlson's mommy, Margaret Carlson, never taught him is that you never mess with a comedian in front of an audience...they are the pro's and will have you for their lunch. Sometimes when they have nothing to say, they get their laughs by handling a heckler.

[EST]

31. Yep. absolutely hilarious!

And the coolest part (IMHO) was that the crossfire idiot never did get it. He kept thinking that Jon was there to defend something. Beautiful, f***ing beautiful!

[Zhade]

29. We don't need the DLC in the party, let alone Carville.

For the love of the god I don't believe exists, PLEASE read the links in my signature. The DLC is not to be trusted.

[EST]

32. Whew! I read your sig link.

We are thinking along the same lines-I am in total agreement! There are a couple of problems. WE are not in charge of who is and who is not in the Dem party. Right now, the first step has to be to re-aim the direction we are heading in. My own choice, had I been the one doing the choosing, would have been someone of a much more liberal bent to head up the party and the country, however, Kerry is the man and that step is to get him elected and then get him to move toward the left. The country (and the world) is waay down the wrong path and it ain't too hopeful about getting it back on the right track, but there are too few options except for continuing the fight.

The DLC is certainly no friend, but they are useful, right now, in removing the scourge that is facing us. What other tools are available?

[Zhade]

33. The DLC has pissed off a lot of progressives and committed activists.

Fortunately, if not in principle then in usefulness, most progressives are so angry with b*sh that they are shoving aside their concerns with Kerry (particularly his foreign policy stances) and voting Dem this year.

They - we - understand that we have to work with Kerry at this point in time. Many of us admire the 1971 Kerry far more than the 2004 Kerry, but we are willing to give him a chance, because the alternative - allow the madman another 4 years - is unthinkable.

The ABB coalition will fall apart the day Kerry moves into the White House. It's just going to happen, there's no point in pretending it won't. And what really worries me is that the split will occur between progressive activists agitating for further change in our government's policies beyond the removal of the most evil administration ever, and Dems satisfied with just getting Kerry into office and trusting he will do exactly the right thing for every citizen's needs (wishful and dangerously complacent thinking; Kerry's only human and facing rabid, frothing opposition once he gets into power).

I worry about the country repeating the pattern of falling asleep after removing a vicious and wicked administration, the way it fell back asleep once it booted Poppy for Clinton in '92.

This is a tremendously dangerous period of time, explosive in its rapid-fire (d)evolutionary state, and if we fall asleep, we're dead. It's that simple. If we fail to act as we need to, no matter who is in charge, to make sure the things done in our name don't shame us, then we deserve nothing less than to fall as an empire.

We MUST halt the dive over the cliff by grabbing the branch that is a Kerry presidency, and then me must scramble as hard and fast as possible to get onto safe ground.

So we're voting Kerry. But it's just the start - and the corporate-cash-loving DLC is an obstacle that must be addressed at some point. It served its purpose, but it's time to reform or retire it.

[Selwynn]

30. Carville is part of the same media spin machine

So I'm not suprised.

[ronabop]

34. Pot, Meet Kettle. (n/t)

[JSJ]

35. fuck carville, that side-show geek and a half nt

[mandyky]

36. He was a shit about Dean too!

But you are right, his comments about Jon Srewart were as arrogant and idiotic as Tucker Carlson's.

[robcon]

37. Carville is one of the best.

Anyone who reacts to one quote - as if any hint of disagreement with Carville means the 'death penalty' in Democratic circles for him - is hysterical, IMO.

James Carville is a hero to Democrats. We should have hundreds more like him.

Is Jon Stweart so sacrosanct that he can't be criticized??????

[JSJ]

38. best what? repub-lite? the dude's an arm-flappin' doodle fuck!

[RetroLounge]

41. an arm-flappin' doodle fuck!

OMG, I just about spit my teeth on the keyboard laughing a that one...

Carville is a whore like the rest...

RL

[tkmorris]

39. I disagree

And I'm gonna try to respectful here, even though I DESPISE Carville passionately. In my mind someone who pretends to be one of the good guys when he isn't is more despicable than the clowns that don't even pretend.

Seriously, look into Carville. Start with Venezuela as a previous poster alluded to then go on to look at the organizations etc he involves himself in. Then have a look at what Jon actually said about the media on Crossfire and ask yourself why Carville disagrees with it.

This is one of the reasons this election can be so close even though WE all know what an ass Bush is. The media. Turn on any "news" network and you will see right-wing shills and leftist counterparts who aren't really on the left at all. They are all Alan Colmes.

[SeattleRob]

48. Carville is a hack for the establishment..

Jon Stewart was right on target. "Crossfire" does very little to inform the citizenry about the reality of the issues. In fact, most issues are framed very narrowly - along the lines of what the establishment wants. (On issues like so-called "free trade" there is agreement from both the "left" and the "right" side of the panel.) Remember, even the "left" side of the panel was pro war during the run up to Iraq. When Howard Dean first arrived on the scene, they were very hostile towards him.

As for Carville and his Republican wife - they make their living misleading people and manipulating the electorate. I see nothing virtuous about that.

[King Coal]

42. Is this the exchange you are complaining about?

COMMERCIAL BREAK)

CARVILLE: Friday, Jon Stewart, host of "The Daily Show," appeared on CROSSFIRE and used his time to blast this show and the media at large. His appearance has generated a lot of comments.

Matt Lewis of Toronto, Ontario, says -- well, what does Matt say?

Here you go, Bob.

NOVAK: OK. Here's Matt Lewis from Toronto, Ontario. We'll get this right.

"Well, my suspicions have been confirmed. Jon Stewart is the most overrated, overhyped comedian in the world today. I presume Jon Stewart must regard the viewers of CROSSFIRE as hacks if he does think we are able to see through the talking points and come to an analytical decision about what we believe to be true."

CARVILLE: Well, you know what? I'm a hack. I'm kind of proud of it. Now, and it's one thing if Jon Stewart wants to attack CROSSFIRE. That's his business and we have a good time with it. Why is he attacking Ted Koppel? NOVAK: Here's another thing.

"Thank you for letting Jon Stewart speak on your show. You had the guts to allow him to speak freely. Thank you." -- Morgan Terry. I guess that's Boerne, Texas.

(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)

NOVAK: Let me say something about Jon Stewart. I don't think he's funny. And I know he's uninformed.

CARVILLE: Well, I think he's funny. I just think he's a pompous ass attacking Ted Koppel. Why would you want to attack somebody that's been in this business this long? Attack CROSSFIRE, Tucker, me. Who cares?

NOVAK: Because he's uninformed. Because he's uninformed.

CARVILLE: He's funny, but he shouldn't attack Ted Koppel.

From the left, I'm James Carville.

Glad to have you back, Bob.

And that's it for the CROSSFIRE.

NOVAK: Thank you.

From the right, I'm Robert Novak. Join us again next time for another edition of CROSSFIRE.

[Cheswick2.0]

43. What did Stewart say about Ted Kopple? I am sure Ted deserved it

He has been attacking Stewart for months, whining that people get their news from Stewart. If Kopple would be less of a status quo suck up he might have more to contribute to the debate.

[IrateCitizen]

44. Carville is representative of the partisan hackery Stewart was denouncing

Remember, when Jon spoke about Crossfire diminishing civic discourse and turning everything into a false left/right dichotomy controlled completely by partisan hackery, he was not just talking about Carlson and Begala. He was talking about Carville, NoFacts, and just about everyone else they have on the "show".

I'm certain that Carville took it as a personal insult.

Personally, I think that Jon was right on. And while I certainly have admiration for Carville's talents as a politico, I DO think that he also represents one side of why civic discourse has been so reduced in this country. For Carville to acknowledge this reality, however, would mean the renunciation of almost everything his career has been built on -- partisan hackery. So, I don't think it's much of a surprise that Carville would lash out at Stewart in this manner.

I also think that Stewart is a pretty conflicted individual. He really just wants to be a comic, to poke fun at the world around him. However, he realizes that for the ultimate success in this endeavor, he actually has to hope for the world to fall to pieces around him (nothing makes for better comedy than misery). He's an intelligent guy with a heart, and deep down inside he abhors what he sees happening to his country and feels the need to speak out against it.

[Walt Starr]

45. I once respected Carville

No more. To the pit of crap with teh rest of the DINOs and Repugnants.

[Jack The Tab]

46. Couldn't agree with you more. Carville has been on my "drop" list

for quite a while.

What a shame for a guy who obviously has the brains and ONCE had the convictions to be a shining star in the party. He's now reduced to corporate hackery.

Ah well...

[leesa]

47. If he can't even convince his wife that she ought not to be working for

the most unethical people on earth, what use is he in this type of format? He is clearly not very convincing.

These people NEED to be called out. They are supposed to be working for the progressive viewpoint and they have done a poor job. One would think they agree to be milquetoasts. Loud and abrasive, but milquetoasts, none-the-less.

[GreenPartyVoter]

49. I cut him loose when he started dissing Nader

Now, I know that isn't a litmus test for a lot fo folks here, but for me that was a line that didn't need to be crossed.

And dissing Jon just makes me extra glad that I started ignoring Carville long before this.

The schmuck.

[janx]

50. These media types are very thin-skinned, for the most part.

They can be very jealous of each other.

[ArtVandaley]

51. On the DS last night . . .

John Stewart said "It's not just Tucker. They're all dicks. I don't want to sell the other 3 short."
I kind of like Begala, and Carville at times, but they're way to DLC for me. They're committed Democrats, no committed progressives. Big difference. After all, they both lobbied Al Gore to pick ZELL MILLER as his VP!

[GreenPartyVoter]

52. Welcome and well-said :^)

[oc2002]

53. I think we all know who the real asshole is, and thats CARVELLE

Jon called them all out, all the pundits and thier shows as nothing more than a circus, in that its IS WHAT IS WRONG with the media today. They do not report news, investigative, in depth, no..no....they just put some fuckhead pundits that spin everything to the point of absurdities.

AND THATS WHAT CARVELLE and his ilk DOES.