My friend from back east is an "ex-gay"....

[devilgrrl]

Sorry, I have to bring this over from the lounge because it's been killing me all day.

This morning I found out that this friend of mine back east has become an "ex-Gay." Allow me to say as a hapless middle-aged heterosexual loser chick - BULLSHIT!!!!!!

Why has this gotten me so upset?

This woman is/was one of the sweetest, most tolerant, kindest people on earth! She loves animals, she do anything for anyone, etc... I couldn't care less who she was boffing - she was good people.

She's got this website: http://www.evangeltees.com/

I typed in that URL and just about dropped a load when I saw the contents of her website.

I'm horrified, saddened, DEVASTATED by the hatred spewed throughout. In fact I'm so upset that I'm literally ill - I had to leave work!

There's even a message board where you can spew your hatred of Homosexuals, Liberals, abortionists, blaa, blaa, blaa!!!!

Read some the shit she has to say: http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/heidiho

In fact, I encourage anyone to FREEP her message board... I already have.

Good gawd!!!! How does this happen to people? How?!

[UpsideDownFlag]

1. damn. nt

[aquart]

2. I'm so sorry.

She's going to have a very unhappy life.

[jdj]

3. it wonnn'tt worrrrkkk...

she'll be back to her old perverted ways soon enough.

And I'm available,just in case.

[brainshrub]

16. I have to agree.

Maybe she's bi. :shrug:

But it doesn't matter. In the long run, biology trumps religion every time.

[Bronco69]

4. I agree with the other poster, it won't work.

Obviously by providing a message board where you can spew crap about gays, etc. she is looking for affirmation of her decision. She thinks if enough people go there and tell her what a great new hetero she is she'll be fine. I've met people in the gay community who have "decided" they didn't want to be gay anymore and they would just change. Well, after a little while they ended up being honest with themselves and knew it wasn't a choice they could make. I'm curious, what exactly made your friend have this transformation?

[devilgrrl]

7. Why did she decide to do this?

Your guess is as good as mine. The only thing I can think of is that she did have esteem issues - her weight, etc... she'd get down on herself a lot... that's about all I could think of.

I agree with your assessment of her message board...

I'm dumbstruck, not so much by her "conversion" (which I think is quite ridiculous) but the hatred expressed in her products... what is that?

[robertpaulsen]

5. Three words to describe your friend: Bisexual. In. Denial!

[Bluebear]

6. Here's a charming little shirt

'Let's face it... there is no mystery, there are no "vague" references to be left to an individual's interpretation, there are no "personal preference" clauses in the institution of marriage. God was very clear and concise on this issue. And right from the very beginning, Satan was clever enough to attack marriage, causing strife between the man and woman.

Now Satan's at it again! He delights himself in the 50% divorce rate, and for dessert he's bringing in some homosexuals to parade around in the issue. If only they knew how badly they were being used by the enemy of their souls.

JESUS CHRIST CHANGES LIVES!!!!!! There are many who believe that homosexuals cannot change. And sadly, the liberal church has lied to it's constituents - convincing them that God is ineffectual, unable, and unwilling to change homosexuals! As Paul wrote to the church in Corinth, he addressed the saints - some of whom were former homosexuals. Jesus can deliver people from ALL sin groups - including those who are trapped in the lies, deceit, and destructiveness of the gay lifestyle.'

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Lordy, Lordy is she full of it!

[yardwork]

12. Let's face it...the Bible doesn't say any of that!

Jesus doesn't mention gays or lesbians at all. No where. No how. It just doesn't come up. Which means.....Jesus thought there were a lot more important things to worry about than poking and prying into other people's sex lives.

[linazelle]

8. What a coincidence! Star Jones' fiancee is an ex-gay tooooo..

They really ARE free to decide whether they want to be gay or not. :eyes:

I mean, why put up with all the harassment when you have a choice? :shrug:

[UdoKier]

9. Maybe he got her confused with Martha Wash.

"Oh it's raining men, hallelujah, it's raining men!"

[Raster]

10. As a gay man, let me assure you, the "presto change-o" bullshit...

is just that: bullshit. There has NEVER been a documented long-term success. It's like forcing a left handed person to be a righty. Sure they can do it, but it's awkward and cumbersome. It never feels correct, comfortable or natural. Being gay or lesbian is genetic.

This entire "change the gays" crap emminates from people who are so fundamentally dissatisfied with who they are, that they are willing to try anything to avoid having a serious heart-to-heart with themselves. Get to know yourself. Get to like yourself. Ignore all the homophobic bullshit your little brain is full of. You are valid. You are beautiful, and you've better use of your time than trying to be straight. Look around you at the straight people you know. Do you really want to be like them?

[devilgrrl]

11. Can you post this on her message board?

Because I think it's something she needs to hear. She was a lot more fun when she was out.

[UdoKier]

15. I believe there is such a thing as an ex-gay, sort of.

Most people are not 100% gay or straight - there is a continuum. A person can start out exploring at the gay end, enjoy it just fine, but still have an interest in the opposite sex, and go over to that saide and be equally happy there. Most of these people would be technically "bisexual", but as bisexuality as a lifestyle is not conducive to monogamy and practicality, most bisexuals are stuck making a choice at some point.

The problem is when an overwhelmingly gay person tries to change - not because he actually wants a person of the opposite sex, but because he wants to please peers/family, or because he fears the wrath of an angry God. This is the worst possible reason for changing one's sexual behavior. I enjoyed same-sex experimentation for a little while in my youth, but I tired of it. I don't feel any guilt about it and it's not a secret. If I wasn't happily married, it might be possible that someone could talk me into trying it again. (Unlikely, though. I really do enjoy women more) I was very open with family and friends about my sexuality back then, and have never taken it back. Why should I? I had a wonderful time. I'm having a wonderful time now too. But then again, I'm an atheist, and religion-based sexual hang-ups strike me as incredibly silly, just as the ones based on macho behavior archetypes.

But I guess as long as society insists on pigeonholing everyone, people will continue to want to squeeze themselves into the "right" pigeonhole.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

18. thats a good post, thanks, Udo!

Some good thoughts there! I agree w. alot of what you say.

[Raster]

23. methinks you've hit the nail on the head....

"The problem is when an overwhelmingly gay person tries to change - not because he actually wants a person of the opposite sex, but because he wants to please peers/family, or because he fears the wrath of an angry God. This is the worst possible reason for changing one's sexual behavior."

Kinsey indeed said if straight is white and gay is black, just about EVERYONE is a somewhat shade of gray. These poor folks are brain-washed into thinking they CAN'T be complete human beings unless they alter their sexual behaviour and identification to fit someone else's standard. It is no coincidence that overwhelmingly these poor souls are what I call "Christian cast-offs," unable to reconcile their faith with their sexuality. That's too bad. I myself find it hard to believe that an all-seeing, all-knowing, all-powerful God would create gays just to leer at his/her fuck-up. Hmmm, I'm thinkin' NO!!!

Once again, as with so much American Christianity, there's usually a profit motive involved.

[UdoKier]

24. Back in my more experimental days...

I used to know a guy whose parents were fundies, and so was he. He was fairly nice, and sort of "out" except with his parents, but he had this weird pattern of going for a few weeks hanging out with gays and partying and being very promiscuous, and then for a while would be very antisocial and only stay at home and go to church constantly, and he would go back and forth as though he was going on a ""sinning" binge, then a repenting binge.


I'm very grateful to have grown up in a secular household.

I hope he eventually worked his shit out.

[Zhade]

26. "bisexuality as a lifestyle is not conducive to monogamy"

Sorry, that's bullshit. I'm bisexual, and have no issue with monogamy. But thanks for assuming - wrongly - the worst, it's sooooo progressive.

I usually like your posts, but this one, well, you're way off.

[UdoKier]

28. Explain how a person can be a practicing bisexual and monogamous?

It's quite impossible. You can be bisexual and monogamous, but you cannot be a practicing bisexual and monogamous. Unless your mate is a hermaphrodite.

To be monogamous and committed, you have to choose to stick with ONE person, and by default, one gender.

Perhaps you're thinking of serial monogamy, which is a whole different thing.

I mate for life. Sorry if you find that square.

[ISUGRADIA]

33. Uh, dude, I know bisexuals who are monogamous

they have partners of one sex and are happily married for life as far as I know (one is a guy and a woman and one is a man and a man). It's not as if they can't live without sex from both sexes. It's just that they can potentially have partners of either sex.

So if a couple got divorced in ten years conceivably the bisexual could find a partner from a different sex if they clicked.

[ISUGRADIA]

34. There are 100s of ex-straights for any ex-"gay"

People who are conditioned by society and religion to be "straight" who have eventually accepted their sexuality.

[dorktv]

13. I have always thought that "Ex-gays" are actually bisexuals

who are just going with the opposite sex for a while.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

17. Yeah, I think so too...but you dont need all that religous stuff

I think bisexuals have maybe a healthier relationship to their sexuality...they may be more on the str8 side and settle down w. a woman, or have an open relationship, or whatever...

You dont really hear them copping to this ex-gay BS, which seems to have alot of fundy xtianity wrapped up around it.

[UdoKier]

19. Yeah, I don't call myself ex-anything.

I'm still the same person I was way back then, with slightly different habits.
I have fond memories of friends and times back then. Very little negative.

I got it. I'm both, gay + straight = great!

I'm great!

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

14. well..people can do what they want...but why always 'ex-gay"?

its like they are not really truley straight. They still have the stigma a bit..they are "ex-gay", not "straight" or "hetrosexual"....they still partly adopt the gay label or stigma.

Sort of odd.

If I was bisexual and decided I was really not interested in the gay scene anymore and got married or into a heterosexual relationship I wouldnt label myself "ex-gay". ...Id say I was straight, or at most bi- and went through a gay phase or period.

So, its sort of odd to adopt the ex-gay label.

It also reminds me of what the Spanish Inquisition or Church used to called forced converts from Judaism or Islam...never fully Xtian, they where called converso or marrono, not fully accepted as Christian. "ex-gay" reminds me a bit of that phenomenon...not truley straight, but "ex gay".

[UdoKier]

20. It would be funny if a guy after a 10-year sham marriage....

decided to come out as gay, and he called himself an "ex-straight"!

So lame.

[devilgrrl]

21. Ex-Straight Ministries

Ex-Straight Ministries at the Sunset Junction

A few cacophonists ventured forth to convert, in the name of Jesus Christ, straight people to homosexuality. Risking martyrdom, we wandered among the heathen crowd at the Sunset Junction street fair, handing out pamphlets detailing the sinful practices of heterosexuals and offering salvation through gayness.

Some members of the already-gay choir were merely amused, treating our serious and scientifically verifiable mission with an inappropriate levity. Never mind them. When it comes to doing the Lord's work, the Los Angeles Cacophony Society is willing to risk not being taken seriously.

Many thanks to the various ex-gay Christian groups for inspiring this event. In their honor, we dressed as evangelists and prophets and carried a cross with a baby nailed to it to symbolize the evils of overpopulation. The baby was actually a doll, in case you're worried, and the blood was barbecue sauce.

http://losangeles.cacophony.org/exstraight.htm

[UdoKier]

22. Cute, funny!

...except for the creepy "religion" parts!

[Zhade]

25. No such thing as "ex-gay".

There's also no such thing as "ex-left-handed".

[UdoKier]

27. Some people are ambidextrous, but you can't use both hands for scissors.

Few things in this world are black and white, and this is certainly not one of them.

[serryjw]

29. 67beagle

is the poster on all the threads.......why get upset. Whether she is gay or straight or BI.....SHE will decide what does and doesn't make her happy. If she wasts to LIE to herself what can you do. She will pay the price for it.

When people tell me they are voting for Bushit I tell them they have a constitutional right.....TO BE WRONG!

[devilgrrl]

30. I couldn't care less about her sexuality...

if you bothered to read my initial post! It's the hatred spewed throughout her site.

So what you're saying is that I shouldn't be upset about this:


or this:


or this:


AND SUCH WERE SOME OF YOU

JESUS CHRIST CHANGES LIVES!!!!!!   There are many who believe that homosexuals cannot change.  And sadly, the liberal church has lied to it's constituents - convincing them that God is ineffectual, unable, and unwilling to change homosexuals! As Paul wrote to the church in Corinth, he addressed the saints - some of whom were former homosexuals.  Jesus can deliver people from ALL sin groups - including those who are trapped in the lies, deceit, and destructiveness of the gay lifestyle.


She's selling this shit!

But I guess you're right... oh well, whatever - I'll just except the fact that my friend is now another knuckle-dragger profiting on hate.

[serryjw]

32. Forgive me for being so flippant

BUT she HATES herself. We all know you can't change what you are, but she thinks by spewing this garage she is repenting.
Do you really want to know someone whom can profess such ignorant -- whether they are straight or gay?


I have come to terms with the end of several relationship because of the climate in the country. You have no one to answer to except yourself and your beliefs

and mourn the lose as I have

[Media_Lies_Daily]

31. I don't think you can be "ex-gay" anymore than you can be...

...."ex-white" or "ex-black". You are what you are...rejoice in it and be happy.