Joe Lieberman Appreciation Thread

[Senator Lamb]

I think he is a fine Senator, with strong convictions. I didnt want him to be our Presidential nominee but I respect his views and morality. As a Jew it meant a lot to be when he was our VP nominee in 2000. He is always trashed here at the DU, so this is a thread to say something positive about Joe.

[newsguyatl]

1. you won't find ANY love

for lieberman here at du.

[cthrumatrix]

103. he did coin "Jo-mentum"...

[BiggJawn]

141. But somebody should tell Jo-Momma.....

oh, I'm bad...That's the best thing you'll see me write about Jowly Joe.

*)&^%^&%*&^$^&#$%^$&^)(*_(*$%#$@$#!@$#@!!!!!!!!

[leftynyc]

132. Speak for yourself

He may be conservative but he's no puke. He has a fine voting record.

[XanaDUer]

2. Joe takes a lot of flak here

but he help put through the Family Medical Leave Act, and I needed to use it (as did many people I know) and I always remember that.

[Q]

3. He's a traitor to Democratic values...

...and should quit politics to sell shoes or used cars.

[cheezus]

129. ...inches from being the next zell

as far as being the vp nominee, i think he hurt more than helped

[Hug__a__Repug]

190. Joe can eat my jigglypuff's bullets as he loses to me!

....he was a warped view as to how to handle videogames! He's considered one of the industry's enemies. He should just not dabble in crap he doesn't comprehend or know about.

[donheld]

191. HI welcome to DU

:hi:

[Catch22Dem]

4. Something positive

Joe has fought for human rights and racial equality throughout most of his career.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. *crickets*

[KittyWampus]

37. Did I Leave My Car Keys In Here

[Gaffey Duck]

6. My favourite things about Joe...

1. His work in the civil rights movement.

2. His support for democracy and personal freedom in Taiwan.

[autorank]

Welcome to DU Senator Lamb. Something positive about...

...Lieberman. Two things:

1) He has JoeMentom!
2) He'll never be president!

Again, welcome to DU. You've got real guts! Don't let the flames get to you.

[speedoo]

7. Sorry, but he was a terrible VP candidate.

And that means he bears a lot of responsibility for the situation we are in. And I really grew to dislike him intensely for being such a pro-war candidate in the primaries.

That's my opinion, and it's not going to change.

[NightTrain]

8. As a lifelong resident of Connecticut, I say...

...FUCK JOSEPH LIEBERMAN!!! :grr::nuke:

[fameless]

16. As a lifelong resident myself, I'll agree with you. (nt)

[DrWeird]

9. I like how he blamed Marilyn Manson for the Columbine shooting.

It takes a brave man to scapegoat.

[Wapsie B]

10. Anyone who encouraged Gore to concede

will never get my admiration. Conservative Dem. is one thing, sellout is quite another.

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

11. He was polite to Dick Cheney in their debate.

That's about all I have to say.

[mmonk]

12. nyet

[BootinUp]

13. Joe lost any support from me when

he went on Fox News time and time again and spoke out supporting Bush's Iraq policies.

[Ron Green]

14. I'M POSITIVE

that he's not good for our party.

[Jacobin]

15. Bwaaaahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was really really funny, but you forgot your saracasm tag.

[CatWoman]

17. LOL

You won't get any Joe-mentum here.

Fuck Lieberman.

Sorry, don't mean to piss in your thread.

But some things need to be said.

More than any other factor, he's why we "lost" Election 2000.

[ghostsofgiants]

79. I thought that was Ralph Nader

</sarcasm>

[scarletwoman]

18. Oops...

Sorry, I thought this was going to be satire.

[CatWoman]

147. Ralph Nader aside

Joe completely caved on the military absentee voter issue -- he allowed the GOP to count thousands of ballots that were illegal.

With a guy like that on your side.............

on edit: I was responding to Primate1

[leftofthedial]

19. he once had a good environmental rating

since 2000, though, he's basically been a fascist enabler, a lousy senator and a worse Democrat.

He's become the poster boy for the DINO's in congress.

He's no Zell Miller, but then most repukes aren't Zell.

[Mandate My Ass]

22. LOL, he's not quite as bad as Zell

I'll second that. :toast:

[dolstein]

29. Please do your homework next time, ok?

Lieberman got a 100 score from the Sierra Club in 2003. Not too shabby. And sorry, Lieberman, that gay-lovin', abortion supportin', gun controllin' Senator from New England sure as hell isn't the poster boy for "DINOs" in Congress (as if there were enough DINOs left to even have a poster child).

And the statement that "most repukes aren't Zell" is, quite frankly, 100% false. Most Republicans in the Senate are very much Zell, if not worse.

[leftofthedial]

41. I'll grant you the 100 score from the Sierra Club.

When I look at his weak performance in 2000 and his repeated support for the bushgang on foreign affairs, anti-terrorism, and the war in Iraq, I don't see a good Democrat. I see a good German.

Thanks for calling me on my hyperbole about Zell. (WTF?) Will your next thread be a Zell Miller Appreciation thread?

[dolstein]

50. I appreciate the pre-2000 Miller quite a bit

Particularly the Zell Miller who delivered the keynote address at the 1992 convention.

I could do without the post-2000 Miller. Personally, I think he should have been kicked out of the party when he endorsed Bush, if not before.

[leftofthedial]

67. cheers to that!

There is so much deception and disinformation these days, it is hard to know whom to trust.

[ronabop]

99. I love environmentalists...

...Who don't give a shit about olive tree stands being steamrolled, or massive swaths of desert environment systems being bulldozed in order to disrupt thousand-year old cutures and environments in order to replace them them with settlement-based McFarming, or, even more laughable, trailer parks,

The Sierra Club doesn't seem to give a shit about non-US environments, or, for the most part, deserts.

-Bop

[sangh0]

137. I don't think CT has a desert

or many olive groves.

[Zhade]

161. Excellent point. Maybe Lieberman should stop sucking Sharon's cock.

Maybe then he'd see how he's hurting the Israeli people and putting them in danger by supporting a murderous war criminal like Sharon.

[sendero]

163. You tell 'em....

... dolstein I admire your tenacity and willingness to set the record straight.

I'm no fan of Holy Joe, but I don't think he's a bad guy. He just sees things differently than I do, and isn't overall my idea of a good Dem.

But some of the criticisms here are definitely over the top. Comparing him to Zell is a bit much.

[dave502d]

20. Say it ani't so Joe.

Joe said to many nice thing about Bush for me like him.

[Rowdyboy]

21. Pro: He is a reliable vote for Daschle as mminority leader...

Cons: Everything else

And this is from someone who STRONGLY defended him until this year. His behavior has been indefensible.

[dolstein]

23. I think Lieberman is much closer to the tradition of FDR, Truman and JFK

than other leading Democrats. Once upon a time, the Democratic Party was the party that favored a strong military and an interventionist foreign policy. Think of FDR and his lend-lease program. Think of Truman and his containment policy and intervention in Korea. Think of JFK and his focus on the missile gap.

Many DU'ers are completely deluding themselves when they claim that the Democratic Party lost its majority status when it abandoned its liberal principles. Bullshit. The Democratic Party lost its majority status when the Southern Dixiecrats abandoned the party over civil rights and foreign policy hawks abandoned the party over out of frustration with the feebleness of McGovern and Carter. Lieberman is one of the few Democrats that coud possibly attract those from the latter group back to the party.

Personally, I'm disappointed by Lieberman's unwillingness to acknowledge the folly of the Iraq invasion. Although I have no qualms about using U.S. military power to topple dictators, I believe there is a time and place for everything. And with a war raging against Al Quada, now was not the time to divert resources towards Iraq. Nonetheless, I can't imagine Lieberman making the same mistakes as Bush did, and I think the frequent comparisons of Lieberman and Zell Miller are, at best, the product of ignorance and, at worst, the product of the most insidious kind of hatred and prejudice.

[shance]

28. Watcha smokin there Dolstein?

It's pretty strong whatever it is.

:)

[dolstein]

31. I'm smokin' the truth, brother. Perhaps you should light up some time.

When talking about the history of the Democratic Party, a degree in political science comes in handy. I've got mine.

[DrWeird]

33. I've got a PhD in Joe Lieberman Studies.

He's a fucking wanker and I pity the sucker who still thinks he's a democrat.

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[Hutzpa]

188. Ha!!! tombstoned wonder why?

[sangh0]

135. We can tell you've got a PhD

by all those large words you use, like "wanker".

[Jacobin]

34. Yes. Joe is a World Class Warmonger!!!!!

He sniffs up Smirk's ass worse than Laura does.

[sangh0]

136. SO was FDR,Truman, and JFK

You seem to think the DNC is the "Peace Party"

Never was. Never will be.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

167. You're wrong on JFK. He was trying to get us out of Vietnam....

JFK signed NSAM 263 on October 12, 1963, a document that ordered the first 1000 troops (of 12,000) out of Vietnam. Additionally, he had refused to send advisors to Laos.

The Bay of Pigs operation had been originally planned by Nixon, the CIA, the military, and the anti-Castro Cubans. The original plan called for full air cover by the U. S. military...JFK refused to provide air cover except for a small group of planes flying out of Honduras.

The only time JFK was willing to get militarily aggressive during his presidency was during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

Four days after JFK's assassination, LBJ signed NSAM 273 which escalated our war effort in Vietnam.

The GOP is not exactly the peace party either...just looking at the presidencies of Nixon, Reagan, Bush I, and now Bush II, should tell you that.

[sangh0]

171. One word

Cuba

The Bay of Pigs operation had been originally planned by Nixon, the CIA, the military, and the anti-Castro Cubans. The original plan called for full air cover by the U. S. military...JFK refused to provide air cover except for a small group of planes flying out of Honduras

I hope you realize that JFK was unaware that the plans required the use of air support? The invasion was designed to force JFK to wade into deeper and deeper involvement in overthrowing Castro?

Either way, JFK did approve of a plan to overthrow the leader of a sovereign nation. Not exactly what a pacifist would do.

The only time JFK was willing to get militarily aggressive during his presidency was during the Cuban Missile Crisis.

I hope you've considered the short length of time that JFK had in office. Also, JFK was a hawk, called himseld a hawk, campaigned partially on his own personal military record, and was a fierce anti-Communist.

You can talk about the GOP all you want, it still won't weaken or refute my point - The DNC has never been a "Peace Party". And, if anything, the GOP has been more isolationist than the DNC, making them less likely (in historical terms, not the current environment) to start a war.

[Name removed]

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[sangh0]

197. Very weak

Your arguments are basically:

1) You live in Fla, therefore you're an authority

2) You have a degree in polisci, therefore you're an expert

3) I'm a republican, therefore you know more than me.

But you're no expert

1) As I said, JFK didn't know about the air support until AFTER the invasion had begun. He found out when the air support was requested.

2) Operation Northwoods - no one authorized it. It's hard to argue that someone is not a hawk simply because they wouldn't launch a military op against their own people.

3) It's hard to argue that someone was not a hawk simply because there were others who were even more hawkish. ~Aside from touting your authority, this argument seems to be all you have. You have yet to offer any evidence that JFK was not a hawk aside from the fact that there were others who were even more hawkish (a claim I never disputed despite your inexplicable opinion that I have been defending any hawks. If anything, you're the one defending a hawk - JFK)

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[sangh0]

203. That's because I didn't call you a republican

Posters are allowed to call someone else's argument "weak", which is why my post wasn't deleted.

Posters are NOT allowed to call someone else "a republican", which is why YOUR post WAS deleted.

[Name removed]

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[Hutzpa]

130. WOOOOOOOO.............Touchy, touchy

you got me on tenter hooks there love, :scared:



spiting Political gabbage...c'mon, you sound like LIEberman to me

[Hutzpa]

128. LMFAO........HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA..............would like to know too

you sound all hazy and shit to me, all fuzzy, must be really strong.

:spank:

[BootinUp]

30. What I agree with

is your view of what has hurt the party in the past. But I have never seen Joe as an enlightened or charismatic type like the three you mentioned, quite a stretch there don't you think?

[dolstein]

38. If DU'ers knew half the things Truman, FDR, and JFK did

they certainly wouldn't consider them enlightened. Many of these things would make faint-hearted DU'ers cringe.

As for charisma, it's worth noting that Harry Truman was incredibly unpopular for much of his tenure in the White House, and JFK was much more charismatic in death than in life. And before FDR was elected in 1932, I don't think ANYONE could have envisioned the kind of historic leader he'd become.

While I don't consider Lieberman to be charismatic in the conventional sense, I think he's probably the ONLY major Democrat who'd have the ability to make serious inroads into religious community. Like Lieberman, I lament the fact that the Democratic Party has largely ceded the moral ground to the Republican Party. It's particularly sad since, for much of our history, religion has been closely associated with progressive movements, not conservative movements.

[BootinUp]

42. Maybe sometime

we can discuss it further. I disagree with the notion that we need to legislate religious values, so if that is what Lieberman offers no thanks. We need someone who can remind/teach Americans about history so we don't repeat mistakes of the past. That takes a lot more than Joe's got.

And on enlightenment, maybe our definitions aren't the same.

[leftofthedial]

44. good point about religiona

although I don't see the mouth-breathing Xtian fundies too enamored of supporting a Jew instead of the repuke's latest cracker

[Jacobin]

47. Yes. Holy Joe's UnShaken support of the Invasion of Iraq

will go down in history as one of his greatest accomplishments.

Even though he is unpopular now.

/sarcasm

[Media_Lies_Daily]

70. If you really knew what you were talking about...

...you could almost be entertaining.

For an unpopular guy, how did Truman manage to beat Dewey?

Were you alive when JFK was President?

Lieberman is a NeoCon in Democratic Party clothing.

Your commant about FDR is correct.

Your grade is 25...you flunk.

[Julien Sorel]

119. Truman had low approval ratings

for almost his entire presidency. When he left office, his approval rating was 23%, which I believe is the lowest score recorded, lower even than Nixon at his low point, and this despite a good economy. Dolstein is correct about this.


I'm unclear on what being alive when JFK was president is supposed to mean. If you weren't, you can't comment? Then I assume you were alive and intellectually functioning when FDR was president, since you commented.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

164. Yes, I was alive and intellectually functioning when JFK was alive....

...where do you think the term "Camelot" came from if JFK had no charisma as Dolstein claims? Dolstein has no clue what people thought about JFK at the time he was alive, otherwise I'm sure that he would have responded.

Dolstein is not correct about Truman. Truman's approval ratings were largely manufactured by the press because he refused to cooperate with the press, unlike past presidents. The fact that Truman beat Dewey tells me that approval ratrings are not all they're cracked up to be. Truman took over from a legendary president...how could he not pale in comparison? But at least he had the honesty to to know who had the ultimate responsibility for his presidency...the "buck stopped" on his desk.

[Julien Sorel]

184. Sorry, I didn't say JFK, but FDR.

And "The press" didn't manufacture anything. Those polls were taken by Gallup, not the press.

Your second paragraph, besides being incorrect, implies self contradiction, as on the one hand you say Truman's low approval ratings were "manufactured by the press," and on the other, "how could he not pale in comparison...."

Of course Truman paled in comparison to FDR. He also was hurt by his connection to the Pendergast machine, and the fact that he rose to office via the death of FDR. The simple fact remains,however, that, whatever the reason, Truman's approval ratings were generally low throughout his presidency, as Dolstein said, and you denied. Repeatedly.

[sangh0]

204. S/He doesn't understand what's been said

yet s/he pretends that s/he is an "authority" on all things political. In fact, s/he doesn't even understand what s/he's said, and ends up contradicting itself, as you pointed out.

Dolstein didn't say that JFK was unpopular. He said JFK was more popular in death than he was in life. And ust to make sure we're not losing the point here, I'll repeat what you just said:

The simple fact remains,however, that, whatever the reason, Truman's approval ratings were generally low throughout his presidency, as Dolstein said, and you denied. Repeatedly.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

208. No, the word Dolstein used was "charismatic"...

...that JFK was more "charismatic" after his death, which IMHO was patently false. Check his post if you're that unsure.

Now who has a reading comprehension problem?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

205. Responses...

Gallup, as well as all of the other opinion polling operations, is generally believed to be part of the press because they report information, even though it's information/data of a very narrow scope. Currently, Gallup is associated with USA Today and CNN.

Truman's alleged "low approval ratings" do not contradict in any way how people naturally compared him to the legend of FDR. How exactly does that imply a contradiction?

And yes, I still dispute Dolstein's comments in regards to truman's alleged "low approval ratings" just as I dispute most of what Dolstein has to say. You don't have to like that, and I personally don't care if you don't.

Speaking of Truman, I found the following information on the Gallup website:

<http://www.gallup.com/poll/content/default.aspx?ci=1258&pg=2>

Please note that the swing in percentage points from Gallup's final survey of the 1948 election to the actual election results is 9.4 points (+5 for Truman, -4.4 for Dewey). How could they have been so wrong? Did they poll more Republicans before that election, too?

[Zhade]

75. What are you talking about???

Like Lieberman, I lament the fact that the Democratic Party has largely ceded the moral ground to the Republican Party.

You're kidding me, right?

[loyalsister]

83. Glad you mentioned this

Putting up with these efforts to legislate morality is a huge mistake. It brings us closer and closer to the countries we criticize most. We lose credibility with the world when we do this.
The marriage amendment makes us look every bit Talibanic.

[sangh0]

139. You people should try to read before posting

No one said anything about being in support of legislating morality, except to distort what DOlstein actually said.

[loyalsister]

148. Direct quote--

"I lament the fact that the Democratic Party has largely ceded the moral ground to the Republican Party."
How exactly has that happened? Pukes have stolen the "moral ground" by proclaiming themselves to be the only people who will..
save the babies
protect the sancity of marriage
And they will try to remove the teaching of the evils of evolution and force the teaching of creationism nationwide.
How????
Through legislation!

[sangh0]

151. that "direct quote" says nothing about "legislating morality"

How exactly has that happened? Pukes have stolen the "moral ground" by proclaiming themselves to be the only people who will..
save the babies
protect the sancity of marriage
And they will try to remove the teaching of the evils of evolution and force the teaching of creationism nationwide.
How????
Through legislation!

That's how the repukes do it. Lieberman has said nothing about "legislating morality". You made it up out of thin air.

[loyalsister]

165. I was replying to something else

Dolstein remarked that Democrats ceded the moral ground to Republicans. That certainly implies not taking the stand ahead of the pukes on moral issues. Beating them to legislating morality?

[sangh0]

166. You're spinning

Dolstein remarked that Democrats ceded the moral ground to Republicans. That certainly implies not taking the stand ahead of the pukes on moral issues. Beating them to legislating morality?

That last sentence has no relevance to the sentences that preceded it. It was thrown in for no apparent reason.

You can't show where Dolstein claimed that Lieberman wants to "legislate morality", and you can't show where Lieberman has said that either. So you just made it up and tacked it onto the end of a post, as if that makes it relevant.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

174. And you're badgering the witness, counsellor.

[loyalsister]

186. Your going off topic

Dolstein's claim was that it is regrettable that Democrats ceded moral ground to Republicans.
Republicans have most definitely taken that "moral ground" into the legislative arena.
His comments indicate that he may very well believe that it is okay to legislate morality.
It is a totally reasonable conclusion.
This has nothing to do with Leiberman. I was responding to what Dolstein said about ceding moral ground to Republicans.

[sangh0]

198. You're conflating

I havent disputed the FACT that Dolstein said that "Democrats ceded moral ground to Republicans", but I saw nothing in Dolstein's statement about any Dem "legislating morality". It only appears in the posts of those who are claiming that Dolstein said it.

His comments indicate that he may very well believe that it is okay to legislate morality.

They MAY indicate it, or they may not. Why is this such a hard point to get across to some?

It is a totally reasonable conclusion.

No, the ONLY reasonable conclusion is that "it may or it may NOT" indicate it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

201. More badgering, counsellor? You're certainly splitting hairs, aren't you?

[sherilocks]

116. If you consider the separation of church and state

an important issue, as I do, you would fault Lieberman, not praise him.

I have hesitated to jump in on this issue because a previous thread resulted in some revolting comments about Joe. Since most of the replies here are intelligent, I will give you three reasons, among many, why I do not like Joe Lieberman.

1. He is a supporter of the war in Iraq.
2. When the 2000 election was over Joe slinked back to DC to take his seat as Senator Lieberman, leaving Al Gore alone to fight the battle.
3. His verbal transgressions against church and state offend me.

His record on civil rights, environment, and a few other issues is excellent. Therefore, I would not throw out the baby with the bath water, as some DUers do, and hope for a Repug replacement.

I do remember JFK and Jackie, and they were very charismatic in life.

[fujiyama]

63. Sorry Dolstein, this goes beyond Iraq.

I never could stand his support for the war, but I always defended his overall record nevertheless, but after seeing him for the past year or so...no more.

Over the past year or two though, Lieberman has been a disgrace. Here are a few examples.

First off, when Richard Clarke came out with a scathing indicetiment of the Bush presidency's inaction in fighting terrorism and instead focusing their attention on Iraq, Lieberman DISMISSED what Clarke was saying. IIRC, he actually said something along the lines of "there's no evidence the administration has done that". This was right after the primaries, when the Bush administration had started pounding Kerry, especially on "flip flopping" and being "soft on terror". This was a time when Democrats HAD to attack Bush. Instead of criticizing the administration, Lieberman actually DEFENDED them.

Another incident was Abu Ghraib. Instead of giving a forceful condemnation, he instead asked "what about those that died on 9/11 and the contractors that were murdered. Why didn't anyone apologize for those acts?". It was so weak, that Senator McCain condemned the abuses much more forcefuly. I actually remember, I think it was on the Late Show with Letterman, where McCain was asked about Lieberman's comments, and he said that he disagreed with his friend and colleague.

Yet another example. Several months ago on CNN, Lieberman was asked about Kerry's vote on the 87 billion dollar give a way to Halliburton. Rather than defending Kerry's vote (as Gep has done, even though he did vote for it), Lieberman just said he "didn't know" why Kerry voted against it.

Is this a helpful surrogate? I'm glad he's spoken in souther Florida, but how helpful is it when he goes on to praise Bush's record on Israel? It's unfortunate that according to so many politicians, the only way to support Israel is to be completely in favor of Sharon's and Likud's policies.

It goes back farther though. What about his statement regarding the military ballots that were illegally cast? And BTW, you say he liberals have ceded too much ground regarding morality. Sorry, I remember him specifically saying "There is only freedom of religion, not freedom from religion". His constant talk about religion turned off several Jewish groups as well, prompting them to issue a statement that his overt religiosity on the campaign trail was innapropriate.

So, he may not be Zell Miller. He's not even close. Miller proved himself to be a complete nutcase. At the same time, comparisons to JFK, FRD, and Truman are absurd as well. The danger in Lieberman is he is percieved to be very level headed and moderate, and while that's true on many domestic issues, it's certainly not true in foreign policy, where his own views seem to differ little from the neo conservatives.

[Zhade]

76. That was disgraceful.

He basically backed up the lie of a Hussein-9/11 link by proclaiming such fake righteous indignation.

[DemonFighterLives]

115. The most accurate description of Lieberman

He was terrible in support of Gore and helped shut down the challenge to the 2000 vote. His next mistake is when he went to Israel and was licking Sharon's shoes. Not anti-semitic here, but Sharon is not good for the world. Neither is Bush.

[Zhade]

73. "now was not the time to divert resources towards Iraq"

So, when IS the time to engage in an unprovoked, illegal war of aggression, Dolstein?

[shelley806]

196. Thank you

This is a very informative response and gave me much to reflect upon. The war on Iraq in my opinion, is tantamount to evil, to use one of Mr. Bush's favorite epithets. A wrong war, a mistaken war, a war in which the motives for war were hidden from the will of the people who (s)elected representatives, is evil. I have always had the suspicion that Mr. Bush's religion is purely Machiavellian--A Rove tactic for winning support. I don't feel similarly with respect to Joe Lieberman. But I hate his support of Sharon. What are your views regarding Lieberman's position on Israel?

[havocmom]

24. Something positive about Joe Lieerman: There is only one of him.

Do I get cookies and milk now?

[progressivebydesign]

25. Joe in an interesting guy. I don't often understand his thinking..

.. but he's entitled to think as he wants. And he has done some great things. He can't be all bad, Gore chose him. He's probably a nice guy. Just because I don't agree with someone doesn't make me dislike him.

So.. here's to Joe-mentum! :)

[bvar22]

82. Gore didn't choose Joe!

The Corporate owned DLC hung Joe around Al's neck, and cost the Dems the election in 2000.

[oldlady]

26. ummmm....

he keeps his truest thoughts to himself
(then passes them in notes to Zell Miller, who speaks them out loud)

[KoKo]

27. I didn't want to reply to this post....but , my anger at Senator Lieberman

got the best of me. He didn't work for Al Gore. He didn't work the way a VP should have. It was easy for Lieberman to be a liberal from a small state like Conn., but when he comes out into the real world he's closer to the Likkud Wing of the Republican Party on foreign affairs than he is to the Democratic...and he's palled around too long with the Republicans, attending "prayer" breakfasts and hobnobbing with the RW Armageddonists.

Those of us who have watched him for the four years since the "Selection" have learned to dislike the man and his pandering. Actually some of us more than dislike him..

But, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. He has defended labor...but we really don't have much labor left in the US that needs defending or that anyone cares about...so what good is he?

[Algorem]

32. He's not ugly

so much as he's bizarre-looking,twitchy,gulpy and jumpy.

[DrZeeLit]

35. Two Snaps Up...

... he doesn't embarass himself in the fashion arena.

[Mikimouse]

36. Joe Who? Sorry, I don't know any real democrat by that name...

Having said that, I do find a listing under the category of DINO.

[cally]

40. I think he's charming

and I was happy to have a Jewish man on a Presidential ticket.

I'll leave the rest of my opinion for another thread.

[Orangepeel]

43. Lieberman's pretty good on a lot of issues

this is a cut and paste from a post I wrote a while ago in response to someone calling Lieberman another Zell Miller....

There are plenty of things that Lieberman is conservative on -- he's a war hawk (which is bad enough), has a mediocre record on civil liberties.

BUT, he's no Zell Miller, not by a long shot. Lieberman has an excellent record on reproductive rights, an excellent record on the environment, an excellent record on labor issues and a long history of standing up for African American civil rights.

To put it all in perspective, last year, Joe Lieberman voted the way the Christian Coalition wanted him to vote 0% of the time and Zell Miller voted the way they wanted him to vote 100% of the time.

Here are some more ratings of his voting record from project vote smart.
http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can...

2003 On the votes that the National Abortion Reproductive Rights Action League considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time. (Zell's rating was 0)

2003 Based on the votes, and co-sponsorship of legislation the The Humane Society of the United States considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time. (Zell's rating was 0)

2000 On the votes that the Americans for the Arts considered to be the most important in 2000, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time. (Zell didn't have a rating)

2003 On the votes that the Americans for Tax Reform considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 5 percent of the time. (Zell's rating was 70)

2001-2002 On the votes that the American Civil Liberties Union considered to be the most important in 2001-2002 , Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 40 percent of the time. (like I said, mediocre, but Zell's rating was 25)

2001-2002 On the votes that the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 94 percent of the time. (Zell's rating was 15)

2003 On the votes that the Christian Coalition considered to be the most important in 2003 , Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time. (Zell's rating was 100)

2003 On the votes that the National Education Association considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 86 percent of the time (was 100% the year before; Zell's rating was 25).

2003 On the votes that the Sierra Club considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time (Zell's rating was 0).

2003 On the votes that the Family Research Council considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 0 percent of the time. (Zell's rating was 86)

2003 On the votes that the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence considered to be the most important as of 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 90 percent of the time. (Zell's rating was 50)

2003 On the votes that the American Public Health Association considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time. (Zell's rating was 0)

2003 On the votes that the AFL-CIO considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time (Zell's rating was 8).


2003 On the votes that the Alliance for Retired Americans considered to be the most important in 2003, Senator Lieberman voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time. (Zell's rating was 0)

[Zhade]

78. Good post for showing how weak Lieberman is, and how HORRIBLE Miller is!

NT!

[dolstein]

45. My apologies to Senator Lamb

I would like to apologize on behalf on the ingorant, mean spirits faux liberals who have chosen to ignore your request and use this thread has just another opportunity to spew there mindless vitriol in Senator Lieberman's directions. I suspect that you find these kinds of posts to be every bit as shameful and downright embarrassing as you do. Unfortunately, hatred of Israel, religion and any deviation from McGovernite pacifism runs rampant on the Democratic Underground, so Lieberman catches a lot of flack. Personally, I think people are perfectly entitled to disagree with Lieberman's foreign policy positions. But it bothers me when DU'ers lie about Lieberman's domestic positions, which are quite liberal. And DU'ers routinely do this. Apparently, many of these people just can't stand the thought that a Democrat would dare to speak openly about his religous faith. Of course, they look the other way when non-Jews like Bill Clinton and John Edwards do this, which suggests to me that there is still an undercurrent of anti-Semitism in these attacks.

[speedoo]

55. I can't speak for anyone else, but anti-semitism has nothing to do...

with my dislike for Lieberman.

I have two problems with him: 1) he was a terrible VP candidate, costing us the 2000 election, and 2) his support for shrub's Iraq war is idiotic, particularly his shrill condemnation of other democrats in the 2004 primaries.

Has he ever said anything critical of the shrub's conduct of the war?

[Q]

58. How arrogant of you to apologize for anyone but yourself...

- I 'suspect' that Joe's faith has very little to do with the reason so many Democrats dislike him. While the reasons are varied...his abandonment of Gore and the Democratic party is on the top of the list.

- And he has helped Bush* break down the wall that is suppose to separate church and state with his religious oneupsmanship.

[Zhade]

80. Wow. So much egocentrism.

"I would like to apologize on behalf on the ingorant, mean spirits faux liberals who have chosen to ignore your request and use this thread has just another opportunity to spew there mindless vitriol in Senator Lieberman's directions."

Sadly for you, I'm sure, these are solid, informed liberals with good cause to dislike or even hate Lieberman. I know he was your candidate. Believe me, these replies had nothing to do with your supporting Lieberman, and everything to do with his record.


"Unfortunately, hatred of Israel, religion and any deviation from McGovernite pacifism runs rampant on the Democratic Underground, so Lieberman catches a lot of flack."

I wondered when the "they hate Israel!" card would be played. Total bullshit, as you well know, since no one even mentioned Israel prior to this post.


"Personally, I think people are perfectly entitled to disagree with Lieberman's foreign policy positions. But it bothers me when DU'ers lie about Lieberman's domestic positions, which are quite liberal. And DU'ers routinely do this."

Of course, as you also well know, most people who are saying anything nice about Lieberman are mentioning his domestic record, so you're full of shit on this one, too. 0 for 2 so far.


"Apparently, many of these people just can't stand the thought that a Democrat would dare to speak openly about his religous faith. Of course, they look the other way when non-Jews like Bill Clinton and John Edwards do this, which suggests to me that there is still an undercurrent of anti-Semitism in these attacks."

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand there it is. The bullshit "anti-Semite!" card gets played. Congratulations. You now have no credibility in your argument.

What's next, you running around screaming "Help! Help! I'm being repressed"?

[AntiFascist]

86. I haven't posted to this thread yet, but first of all let me say that....

I am not anti-Semitic. I've had several close friendships over the years with people of Jewish ancestry which I value very much. I do have a problem, however, when my tax dollars go toward a foreign policy which, on the surface, would seem to promote the aggressive and destructive goals of a particular nation-state who's government, in turn, may be guided by a world-conquering prophetic mentality, tied together with that of fundamentalist Christianity. I say "on the surface" because hidden underneath this religious vaneer are all the fascistic evils we have been discussing on this board.

[Zhade]

100. GREAT POST.

Very well-written.

[AntiFascist]

172. Thanks, I love your blog site!

:toast:

[Zhade]

178. Hey, thanks!

:)

[Robbie67]

87. Joe Lieberman has been a long-time champion of civil rights

I think he intends to serve Democratic interests

[Hutzpa]

153. You sure do sound like an intern for LIEberman n/t

[Robbie67]

158. Really?

and what did I say that makes you think that?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

209. He hasn't served ANY Democratic interests for the last several years...

...he's a NeoCon in Dem clothing.

[ulysses]

95. no.

Of course, they look the other way when non-Jews like Bill Clinton and John Edwards do this, which suggests to me that there is still an undercurrent of anti-Semitism in these attacks.

Nearly every damned politician under the sun talks about his or her faith, and while I find it annoying and beside the point, I usually don't care beyond that.

The difference with Lieberman is not that he's Jewish but that he's a moralizing ass about religion. If Clinton or Edwards were to make the kind of statements about there being "no freedom from religion" that Lieberman made in 2000, they would catch just as much hell.

Nice try on the anti-Semitism thing, though. It's been a while.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

106. You are correct...good post, Dolstein...Liebermans faith

Not sure about the antisemtims, but I do agree that Lieberman gets hit way too often as a fake Democrat, when his stands on most domestic issues are actually fairly traditionally mainstream liberal.

One of the nice things about Liberman and his faith or religiosity is that he is not using it as an excuse for scapegoating gays and lesbians, the way the GOP does. That really sets him apart from that crowd in a big way.

[mmonk]

118. I will not be called anti-semitic

by people that do not know me. I disagree fundamentally with some of what Lieberman believes in. That does not make me anti-semitic. Any pandering to a government that currently threatens my disabled son's rights and everyone's constitutional rights with right wing idealogue appointments to the judiciary or threatens the safety of my children with a wild dream of conquering the middle east by force is my reason for opposing such politicians.

[Cat Atomic]

138. Yeah- forgive me. I prefer US politicians to represent the US.

I know that's just SO anti-semitic.

[sangh0]

140. Yes, that is VERY anti-Semitic

Do you think that every American who disagrees with you is "NOT an American"?

The slur that Jews are more loyal to Israel than the US is a long and disgusting tradition.

[Cat Atomic]

142. I didn't say "Jews". I said Joe Lieberman.

The slur that anyone who disagrees with a Jewish hawk is just anti-semitic is way too convenient and just as disgusting.

[sangh0]

143. Umm, Lieberman is a Jew

and you didn't just disagree with Lieberman. You implied that he wasn't an American.

You implied that someone's opinion can make one "not an American".

[Cat Atomic]

144. Lieberman is a Jew, so any criticism of him is anti-semitism.

Got it. That's fantastic.

[sangh0]

145. No, but criticism that echoes anti-semitic classic are anti-semitic

IOW, you "got" nothing.

[Cat Atomic]

146. *Edited* You know, after thinking about this-

I think you have a point. It was a knee-jerk reaction because I really can't stand Joe Lieberman's politics- not only on Israel. His support of Israel is really echoed by our whole government, so it's unfair to point at him in particular. You're right- it does smack of some classic anti-semitism.

I apologize.

[sangh0]

152. That was AWFULLY BIG of you

Really. IMO one of the hardest things to do is to look at what we're doing objectively. It's particularly hard when one is angry. You've shown real character by being able to do that.

SO keep on knocking Joe, but do it the right way - for what he's done.

[Cat Atomic]

154. Thanks. I appreciate that.

And I appreciate your persistence as well. :)

[sangh0]

155. Well, that's a first!!!

And I appreciate your persistence as well.


:-)

[Name removed]

159. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[sangh0]

160. You're guilty of what you're accusing me of

Even the poster who said it now agrees that it was anti-Semitic.

Apparently, you think anti-semitism doesn't exist, even when the people expressing it AGREE that it is anti-semitism.

[NervousRex]

177. Unbelievable...

Anti-Semitism does exist....but, criticizing Joe Lieberman's policies does not rise to that level. You trivialize real anti-semitism by lumping criticsm of Lieberman's policies with racism. You may kiss Lieberman's ass because he is a Jew, but the shit he feeds you will kill you.

[sangh0]

199. Try reading

I didn't say that criticizing Lieberman is anti-semitic. I said that criticizing any Jew using an argument that has a tradition of being used by anti-Semites (ex "Jews are more loyal to Israel than their birth nation", or the "Blood Libel" charge) is anti-semitic.

[Forkboy]

169. I knew before I even clicked on this thread that you'd be the one

to play that card.

[leesa]

46. Lots of luck with this!

[Gold Metal Flake]

48. I just posted to say that I am in the wrong thread.

I'll show myself out.

[kysrsoze]

49. Thanks for being such a turncoat prick, Joe. We really appreciate it.

[lojasmo]

51. He was able to make Al Gore look lively by comparison N/T

[sonicx]

52. i don't hate lieberman but

1. i don't like the anti-videogames thing

2. he's got a weird voice.

3. the 2000 debate was...not a debate

4. iraq...well, you know...

[Mean_Mr_Mustard]

53. I totally agree

Liberman has headed a campaign for different types of censorship activities and that is totally against my agenda. I understand why people bad mouth him.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

54. He isn't Bush or Cheney

If he changed his mind on the Iraq war and did a complete flip-flop
I'd actually accept him again as a Democrat. He may be only slightly left of center on domestic issues, but he's intelligent and articulate. He's far, far better than Bush or Cheney. In fact maybe the best thing I could say about him is that he isn't Bush or Cheney.

I didn't start to intensely dislike Joe Lieberman until I heard his opinions on the Iraq war. That really did it for me as far as Mr. Lieberman is concerned. If his concern for Israel is behind his support of the illegal war in Iraq, then I think he's sadly mistaken. This war will make Israel less safe and make peace and justice between Palestinians and Israelis, something we all want, far less likely. The chances of a western-aligned secular government coming into power in Iraq in the long-run, even through elections, is not a likely event in my opinion.

[underseasurveyor]

56. Oh Good Grief

Joe Lieberman? :eyes: Say something possitive? :freak: I'm possitive I don't have an ounce of appreciation for the man :think:

[wherewingstakedream]

57. I really appreciate the fact

that he is not on the Democratic ticket this year! :bounce:

[Jacobin]

59. Oh, and I loved it when he called down Howard Dean for suggesting

after Saddam was captured that the world was not a safer place.

Yes. a moment to glory in.

[AmerDem]

60. poster...he just endorsed shrub over Kerry ...in an off hand way

I suggest you read what he said down in Florida within the last few days. It's not Jomentum it's JoBlow!

[Zhade]

81. HE DID? Where?

Link?

[Zorra]

85. It's a Newsmax story, "Lieberman Praises Bush, Chides Kerry" but

I won't post it because Newsmax is not known for its, um, integrity in journalism.

[Zhade]

93. Ah, true dat.

Please check your PM.

[sherilocks]

122. The Newsmax story is a lie

I can't find the link from the Miami Herald, but it gives an impartial reporting of Lieberman's speech in Miami. I'll keep searching.

[AmerDem]

121. here is the link

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/10/14/141645.shtml


NewsMax is a rightwing shit site but I thinks it's worth you reading this over. Actually, this isn't uncommon for Lieberman he often sides with repukes and is a frequent and invited guest of FAUX so called News.

[sherilocks]

124. Here's what joe said in his Miami speech and

it refutes the story in Newsmax and the NY Daily News.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/rss/9912796.htm?1c

[AmerDem]

126. subscription ( not going to sign up)... but consider this

I'll take your post over NewsMax but consider this. Most here easily can believe what NewsMax wrote based on Lieberman's past behavior. Hell, I remember how Lieberman tried to do everything to trash Wes Clark during the primaries. He took just about every talking point the repukes had to destroy him. As anyone who followed Clark knows, they did everything ..and I mean everything to get Clark derailed and out of the race. It was the combo repuke party and corporate media whore attack we see so much of now on Kerry.

[sherilocks]

127. Here's an excerpt from the Miami Herald article

I know how annoying it is to sign up.

<snip>

Connecticut Sen. Joseph Lieberman, perhaps the Democratic Party's most influential Jewish voice, stumped across South Florida on Wednesday as part of the Kerry campaign's effort to counter unprecedented Republican outreach to Jews, a historically Democratic voting block.

He told about 100 people, mostly elderly Jews, at a Sunny Isles Beach synagogue that Sen. John Kerry has a flawless voting record on Israel and as president will remain a steadfast friend.

''I didn't come to Florida to tell you that George Bush is a bad friend of Israel; he's been a strong and consistent supporter,'' said Lieberman, the first Jew nominated to a major party's national ticket when he ran for vice president in 2000. ``I came to reassure you that after 20 years in the Senate . . . John Kerry is also a very strong and consistent supporter of the state of Israel.''

<snip>

''John Kerry has a 100 percent voting record by AIPAC,'' he said.

AIPAC is a pro-Israel lobbying group that also gives Bush high marks.

<snip>

[Zhade]

162. Yeah, that doesn't sound like an endorsement of b*sh.

That's good, at least.

[Hutzpa]

61. I bet you 50c Joe sent ya!!!!!! n/t

:evilgrin:

[robbedvoter]

62. He betrayed Clinton, then Gore - now Kerry. Hell of a guy!

[Senator Lamb]

65. ty

wow, what a response. Thank you to all those who posted something positive about Joe.

[robbedvoter]

66. Also, railed against "Democrats who denigrated of the war"

His favorite place of doing it - Faux.
P.S. Glad you like my posts.

[Hutzpa]

92. The man is worse than Judas! n/t

[Walt Starr]

117. Yep, and he'll continue betraying Kerry once Kerry is elected

To fuck with the bastard!

[Demonaut]

64. uh, he's got great hair

[Selwynn]

68. ...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

69. Yeah...I just got finished making Joe's "appreciation"...

...right here in the toilet.

If I flush twice it might just reach him in his Washington, DC office.

[drdtroit]

71. He, uhhh, ummm, ....

[Zhade]

72. Something positive: his DINO, DLC, Vichy Dem, corporatist ass lost.

That's a positive.

[Cat Atomic]

74. How did the Daily Show put it? 'Joe Lieberman is for people who

don't think Bush is Jewish enough".

That about sums it up.

[fujiyama]

192. I think the quote was

"Joe Lieberman is for those that like Bush but don't think he's Jewish enough".

Close enough ;)

[nickgutierrez]

77. He's a nut.

He's a Democrat like Zell Miller is a Democrat. Which is about the same as I am a Republican.

I usually don't suspect posters with low counts. But, to be honest, you smell like a troll.

[irancontra]

84. he's in a three-way tie for third...

biggest douchebag ever.

[Senator Lamb]

88. im a troll?

by stating my opinion that I favor centrist policies? i thought democrats have a big tent.

[Robbie67]

91. ask Kucinich supporters

but I do say that Senator Lieberman is a bit too much of a moralist and a hawk for my tastes

[donheld]

96. Senator Lamb i welcome you to DU

:hi: But i cannot support you or "dolstein" on this one. Maybe next time. I don't mind centrist policies, but i did mind in a very strong way the way Mr Lieberman had his lips attached to Bushies behind about the war.

[Nordic]

89. he could be MUCH uglier

if he were to, say, get in a nasty car wreck.

I can't stand to look at the guy

[neomonkey]

90. He's much cheaper than any other OTC sleep medication

[Bucky]

94. If he only had a lesbian daughter, I could honor his family values

Nah, Joe "Mentum" Lieberman ain't my cup o' tea, but he's got a great environmental record and has stood up for workers' rights every time I've heard him talk. I honestly never got the animus toward him around here at DU. He's independent minded, from what I've seen, and is certainly no "whore," as he's frequently maligned at DU.

The problem may lie with the time he spoke out against the Big Dog when the hypocrites were attacking our democracy. But Lieberman voted to preserve the election results rather than to remove Clinton from office. He's a decent man.

[Rhiannon12866]

97. Sorry about all this. There is no love lost for Joe Lieberman on DU

And, also, not for Dick Gephardt, whom I supported. You can argue until you're blue in the face, citing votes and motivations and good works, but both names are mud on DU. I'm sorry that you met this kind of reception. I wasn't a Lieberman supporter in this election, but I certainly voted for Gore-Lieberman in 2000 and was heartbroken that they, well, not lost, but weren't "selected" by the Supreme Court. I wish very much that Joe Lieberman was now our sitting Vice President, and I know that most of DU agrees with me. Bush*-Cheney has led us down the road to hell.:grr:

I'd like to welcome you to DU, in case you haven't been welcomed before. I'm very glad to have you with us. DUers may not be enthusiastic about Joe Lieberman, but there are more issues than I can name, that you'll agree on with most DUers, if you support Joe Lieberman's views.:hi:

[CreekDog]

98. I saw this thread and thought he died

At least I'm glad he didn't :)

[Rhiannon12866]

101. OMG! I can see why you thought so! I can imagine that you were relieved

Lieberman wasn't my candidate, but he's much better than many, and I voted Gore-Lieberman, so I think we are better with him than without him.:shrug:

[robcon]

102. Joe would have made a tremendous president.

I supported him, because I trust him. He is the least partisan politician I know, and you can count on him to tell you what he thinks, not some spin about what is best for his campaign.

I support Kerry, but Joe was the best of the lot.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

113. "A tremendous president"???? WTF are you smoking???

[Walt Starr]

104. I think he's a traitor and should lose his next primary

The fool should never be trusted. He's a Repugnant in Democratic clothing.

He should be put on trial ike the rest of the Busheviks.

That's as close to "appreciation" for this asshole as you'll ever et from me.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

105. Joe Liberman was a solid Democrat, & welcome to DU.

I supported Kucinich in the primarys, but I do not share the dislike that the rest of DU has for Joe.

I think Joe Lieberman has a solid track record supporting traditional progressive Democratic issues...thats been proven a number of times on this board by reference to voting record scores kept by conservative and liberal advocacy groups.

Although Lieberman may not have voted the way I would have liked on every issue I do think he was much more a loyal Democrat than Zell Miller (who was a true traitor to his party).

Its unfortunate that Gore lost in 2000 as I think Lieberman would have been an excellent vice president.

So dont let the leftys here get you down..there are some here at DU who respect and appreciate Joe Lieberman, tho we might not have supported him in the primarys.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

114. Excuse me, but Gore WON in 2000. Quit spreading false propaganda....

...about an election that was decided by vote fraud in Florida and a 5-4 Supreme Court decision.

Your comment might fly in NeoCon circles, but it's not going to get off the ground on the DU boards.

[Rockholm]

107. Gee, I thought this would be a REALLY SHORT thread!

[The Zanti Regent]

108. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

who cares?

[RetroLounge]

109. Is that you Joe?

_|_ to Joe Lieberman

RL

[HughBeaumont]

110. Janitor Joe's "PMRC Part II" bullshit,

pandering to people like Pat Robertson and generally being a mediocre and glib drag to the Gore candidacy is the reason I think he sucks. Listen to "If You Like Tipper Gore . . . " on Jello Biafra's Become the Media to hear the story behind the REAL Joe Lieberman if you haven't already.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

111. Why not a "tribute" to Zell Miller?

Same kind of DLC faux liberal.

[matcom]

112. FUCK HIM

that enough "appreciation" for ya?

[Lerkfish]

120. I voted for Gore/Lieberman, but it was a vote against Bush...in 2004

I am voting FOR Kerry/Edwards.

I frankly have been appalled at the Leiberman/ Zell Miller school of dems. I'm anti-war, and Lieberman is more hawkish than many repugs. His unabashed support of an ill-conceived, badly executed and quagmired Iraq is all I need to dismiss him from my attention.

I honestly cannot think of anything good to say for the man, but I apologize if that dissapoints the thread starter, not my intention.

HOWEVER, to start a thread begging people to say nice things about this or that person is a little bizarre. That's setting yourself up for disappointment. Instead, a thread saying :what do you guys think of this guy? I like him, here's why...what are your reasons for not liking him? Would be much less flamebaity.
The way this thread is set up, your only choice is to agree in lockstep or disagree and get flamed for not being in the "spirit" of the thread.

[Walt Starr]

123. What would I appreciate from Joe Lieberman?

I'd appreciate it if he'd go Cheney himself and let the REAL democrats get the work done.

He is a hindrance to freedom and a traitor who should be thrown out of the party.

[Hutzpa]

131. For him to have been in that Island that disappear from this earth...

during hurricane Frances, the one that hit Haiti.

:grr:

[lastliberalintexas]

125. Irony is not yet dead

How funny that some of the posters on this thread who are trashing Lieberman have also heaped praise on John Edwards in the past. I won't say anything else, since additional information might get this post deleted. But I just have to say that this thread proves that irony is not dead.

By and large, the dislike of Lieberman is not anti-Semitism, however. It's just that he's so honest and upfront about his support for the Iraq war that he's an easier target than others, who shall remain nameless of course. :-)

[matcom]

133. i haven't heaped praise on anyone

i am ABB

PERIOD.

but once again.....

FUCK LIEBERMAN

fuck the rest too

OUT OF IRAQ NOW

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

134. Here's one Jew

Who says FUCK him and Sharon.

He lost all sympathy and support from me when he said the thing about freedom from religion. (I don't practice and don't intend to.)

[NervousRex]

149. Lieberman is a shitheel...fuck him!

Apparently you did not see his speech at the convention. He giggled through right-wing talking points and played his role at RNC truth-squad member very well. If it looks like shit, and smells like shit, I can probably be sure it isn't a Baby Ruth. Flush this turd!...he's been around too long.

[porphyrian]

150. Um, no. - n/t

[november2soon]

156. IS IT POSSIBLE TO SAY SOMETHING NICE ABOUT GEORGE W. BUSH?

check out the video

http://www.donkeysarenicer.com

send it around before NOV2!

[Cronus Protagonist]

157. May he Rest In Peace

Sooner than later. The poor guy is a lost soul.

[TexasSissy]

168. I like Lieberman! He's a fine person, a truly good person, I feel.

I think he's probably one of the most honest politicians we have in the country. I think his intentions are always, always for the best interests of the country and its citizens, although I don't agree with all of his positions.

I wouldn't vote for him for President (unless the other choice were *), but he's great in the Senate. He's a true asset to our country and our Congress.

Viva le Lieberman!

[robbedvoter]

175. Yup. Honest. W= nice guy. Prezniting=hard work. OBL=Saddam

Just honest? Not "Conscience of the senate?"
Considering he sponsored IWR, I can see the attraction here.
http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d107:SJ00046:@@@P

[texas is the reason]

170. ok,ok..he never personally kicked me in the balls or anal raped my mother.

at least not that i know of. so thank you sooo much for all that you do joe.really.

[Nikia]

173. I don't think he is really that bad

Aside from his foreign policy stance, I think that it is good that we have him in the Senate. He stands up for the environment, minorities and labor. I don't know why many DUers compare him to Zell Miller. Some people need to look at the big picture as opposed to one or two issues.

[Chicago Democrat]

176. He's a loyal Democrat... the opposite of Zell Miller...

But I can't stand him... Except every single time there was a close vote usually we can count on Joe.

The fact that The New Republic endorsed him for President caused me to never trust that magazine ever again. Still he's our most conservative Democrat and I would take ten of them for one liberal Republican!! ANY DAY

[Senator Lamb]

180. No Miller

i dont understand why people compare him to zell. miller was a segregationist while Lieberman marched with MLK. Lieberman has a great record on the environment, civil rights, abortion rights, and integrity. the opposite of zell. stop comparing them.

[Chicago Democrat]

181. That's what "opposite" means

ie Lieb is loyal and Zell is not.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

182. he was apolitical genius when he crushed the jedi order

and made himself emperor

[Senator Lamb]

183. sorry

I know Chicago Democrat, your right. I was talking about other people who compare.

[AntiFascist]

189. haha, he does look a bit like Sen. Palpatine (sp?)

http://www.fightingterror.org/

[Hatalles]

194. LOL -- Senator Palpatine and Senator Lieberman!

You know, they do look a lot alike though I think Bush and his PNAC buddies do a much better job of mirroring the Emperor and the Galactic Empire. ;-)

[AntiFascist]

195. The purpose of the link in my post....

was to show that Sen. Lieberman is associated with one of the most hawkish neocons, R. James. Woolsey.

[dave502d]

185. Good luck

Guy that do what did is what makes this country great.
You will get a better job in no-time,one that let you sleep at night.

[hansolsen]

187. And just exactly why does Joe support the war in Iraq? Is it possible

that he sees the war in Iraq as the war to make the middle east safe for Israeli settlers to get what they want in the West Bank? I don't know what his motivations are, but I will assert this:

If Joe Lieberman supported the war in Iraq primarily because he placed a very high value on getting rid of a threat to Israel, rather than a threat to America, he should have so stated. In fact, he needs to speak out more clearly on the role of Israel in supplying intelligence about WMD in Iraq.

Joe Lieberman could also do our nation a great service by leading a real debate on whether or not Sharon's Likud strategies really are good for Israel and really will result in a fair and equitable peace in the middle east. I have never seen him do anthing but support Likud policies, and that is a deep disappointment to me.

I believe, in the long run, failure to resolve the I/P dispute will get a million Americans killed. So far Joe Lieberman has made that eventuality more likely, not less likely, IMHO.

[fujiyama]

193. I just thought of something positive..

He's up for reelection in 2 years, meaning there is a chance if a Dem in CT has some guts, that he could run against Lieberman in the primaries.

Even if that opponent were to lose against Lieberman, I think he'd have a strong chance in the primaries. Many sound like they are fed up with Lieberman (not only dems around the nation but in his own state). At the least, it'd be good to strike some fear into Lieberman, perhaps similar to what has happened to Arlen Spector of PA (except the other way around).

[Senator Lamb]

202. I dont believe Lieberman should be challenged

why do we have to have "robots" beating the same drum. cant we have people on both sides who can reach across party lines and work with each other. should olympia snow be challenged in a primary? should people be run out of office because they dont conform entirely to the party line?

[Renew Deal]

207. I appreciate how much of an asshole Lieberman is.

I also appreciate how he is more interested in protecting other country's more than the US. Is that enough Jomentum?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

210. Joe Lieberman makes me glad I'm moving from CT to NY

I hate him

[Moderator]

211. I'm locking this thread

Reason :

It has run it's course and started to attract
personal attacks .