Um John Stewart has no clothes. John Stewart has no clothes.

[vinnievin777]

I like John Stewart but he had a real bad day. He was acting like an arrogant republican in my opinion. I know a lot of people here are going to freak out but he was pompous. Come on guys have a mind of your own. He was funny on his show tonight but he wasn't at his best on crossfire.(and crossfire isn't the problem on CNN)although I share John Stewart's views I am not going to say he is something he isn't. And he was sophomoric and well let's just say he had a bad day.I was sorely disappointed.

Vinnie
http://www.vinnievin.com

[leftofthedial]

1. there's one in every crowd

[Media_Lies_Daily]

12. Yep...and vinnievin777 is the winner tonight. A REAL winner.

[Kagemusha]

2. Your premise is that he was there to be funny.

He wasn't. He was there to bust chops.

And he did.

[FARAFIELD]

3. UMM

I dont get your post at all. I think he was right on. First Tucker wanted him to be serious then funny, it just proved that Crossfire is a shill for the parties. Stewart said it right, if someone comes on crossfire with an opinion they dont like it

[Selwynn]

4. Disappointed: 1 Deeply Pleased : 8,345,843,857,358,002,498,584,249,120

[Occulus]

54. 8.3 octillion people?

I mean, I happen to agree, but um... that's a lot.

[Selwynn]

81. You ability to cacluate large numbers leaves me...strangely aroused :))

[Lefta Dissenter]

5. No,

an arrogant republican would have been there promoting his book, desperate to bring more dollars into his greasy little pockets. A Democrat gives up the opportunity to make more money, in order to speak up for what he believes in.

[Desertrose]

6. an honest person speaking the truth and you call it a bad day?

Maybe you were disappointed but there were many many more of us who say Hurray. Its about f'ing time someone spoke the truth.

I applaud Jon Stewart and thank him most wholeheartedly.

JS Pompous? Are you for real?

[info being]

89. Exactly. If that was a bad day, I wish more people had bad days.

[drdtroit]

7. C'mon Tucker, you could have chosen a better handle. n/t

[Cat Atomic]

22. LMAO!

[qanda]

110. Now *that* was funny

eom

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[Selwynn]

9. It occurs to me: you might also not understand the history

Jon Stewart has been a longstanding critic of crossfire specifically. He was invited on the show NOT under the false pretenses of being "funny," but specifically to be in the "hot seat." He got the attention of crossfire by being a well known and vocal critic of the show.

They were not surprised by his content, only surprised by how effective he was, how unwilling to compromise he was, and how much support he had from the crowd and how big of idiots he made them look.

But hey, I've changed my mind: I'll give you an open ear, why not describe for me with specific examples (transcripts are all over the web) of statements of Jon's or exchanges that you particularly found disappointing, and please include your explanation of what you would have said in its place and why.

Otherwise, go away.

[krkaufman]

14. Excellent points... and good challenge.

"He got the attention of crossfire by being a well known and vocal critic of the show."

Exactly. Tucker came ready to attack Stewart for his supposedly light handling of Kerry on TDS, as a rebuttal to Stewart's criticism of the news media -- and Stewart handed him his hat.

I must agree that the original poster's criticism of Stewart was awfully broad-brush. What exactly did he find "sophomoric"?

As for Crossfire, I'd beg to differ. It certainly *is* at or near the root of the problem with our public discourse, along with all the other faux-debate infotainment shows.

[MatrixEscape]

10. Well ...

that sounds like a rather conservative view. Maybe you are concerned about politeness? If he would have acted as their monkey, his views would not have been taken seriously or had the same impact.

Other than that, I think Mr. Stewart said what thousands of people would want to say on the air. The fact that he was dead serious was even better. I think he shocked the hell out of them. Very unexpected. Shock and awe.

If you think about it, The Daily Show, and Stewart himself, are expressing the very same overall concepts, only under the veil of humor.

I hope he set a precedent.

[Name removed]

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[gmoney]

17. yeah, methinks maybe

Jon made a HUGE point...

It's not which side of the O'Reilly Phone Sex scandal you take... it's that they're wasting huge amounts of resources discussing the O'Reilly Phone Sex scandal from all sides while ignoring real issues or asking real questions on "crossfire" and the so-called "all news networks"

He made about 15 other big points, too... he did seem a little nervous, and a little scattered, but what he did took guts.

[prairie populist]

13. Stewart was great

Those ass-wipes refused to carry on an intelligent conversation with him, got pissed off when he refused to be their monkey boy, and during the course of the same program confused Winona LaDuke with David Dukes. And you're dissing Stewart? Time to TiVo it and take another look my friend.

[natrat]

16. wow a thread topic like that and

no follow up

[Susang]

15. Poor baby

I'm sure he's sobbing over your disappointment. :eyes:

BTW, great cut and paste job from your Lounge post. Do you always post the exact same thing on various threads ofn the same topic? Lacks originality, if you ask me.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=105x1839607#1839754

[AmerDem]

20. The poor guy needs the attention

apparently! Maybe we should throw him a party.:party:

[DougieZero]

18. I agree

I couldn't tell if it was stupid or brilliant and I watched the clip a few dozen times. I think Tucker Carlson is probably the least offensive TV conservative out there... I really wish he would of saved this venom for O'Reilly or Hannity when he had the chance.

Crossfire is what it is... Any show that has "Politcal Alerts" and a 2 minute "Rapid Fire" shoutoff is silly, but it's been around for years.

Now O'Reilly.... or Hannity.... Anyone that relies on Dick Morris or Bill Bennett to give news breakdowns is a true hack.

[vinnievin777]

73. Yes

And when O'Reilly was on Stewart kissed his ass. That was another disappointment.

Vinnie
http://www.vinnievin.com

[SemperEadem]

19. it's Jon, not John

well, gee... if he could have finished a gotdamn thought without dickhead and beavis cutting him off and lamely trying their hand at besting a professional comedian then your point would have merit.

He did superbly, with nuance and subltly... and dickboy is still smarting from his smackdown 3 days on... and what Stewart said must have landed and taken root at CNN/Crossfire because they began this week's shows personally attacking Stewart instead of what he said.

[Tansy_Gold]

51. THANK YOU!

I have been wanting to post this all day. Now it's late, so I can indulge myself and my petty peevishness, and by morning this thread will have dropped from sight ---

John Stewart was Dave Guard's replacement in the Kingston Trio
(Stewart on left, Nick Reynolds center, Bob Shane right)





Jon Stewart is the host of The Daily Show.

[NightOwwl]

21. "I know a lot of people here are going to freak out, but"

"I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but"

"I feel terrible saying this, but"

"I know this will be upsetting, but"

"I know I'm going to get flamed, but"

blah-be-de-blah-blah-blah

[underseasurveyor]

25. ha ha You got me goin'

My heartbeat got a little faster as I finished reading each sentence. Only to find at the end......"bla-be-de-blah-blah-blah"
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA That was great! :-) :thumbsup:

[Name removed]

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[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

70. You forgot

"I am a lifelong Democrat, but"

[RoyGBiv]

23. Jon won't be your monkey ...

So there.

[unblock]

24. um jon stewart has no h. jon stewart has no h.

[sventvkg]

26. You've got no cloths!!! Please man, It needed to be said......

[vinnievin777]

27. this is funny

I thought there would be a lot more threads by now. Yes I think he was rude and I would hope we had rational debate in this thread as well as the country as a whole. I thought he would bring his witty intellect on crossfire-you know the kind he has on his show. A drunk could have got up there and said you are a dick, your show sucks and you are hacks. Also Begala didn't say a word.So this notion that he was ambushed is laughable especially since Begala would be on his side.
In any event everyone is entitled to think what they want. I guess I was the disappointed one and a million others were satisfied.
I am happy for all of you. I would rather it be that way than the other way around.
Vinnie
http://www.vinnievin.com

[SemperEadem]

28. Mr. Spock once said

the needs of the many far outweigh the needs of the few.

[funnymanpants]

32. No, he wasn't

Jon was not rude. He only called Tucker a dick after Tucker called him Kerry's but boy.

You have got to be kidding to think that any drunk could have done what Kerry did. I don't think anyone else besides Stewart could have done what he did.

Jon tried to be polite--but then Tucker starts putting up quotes to attack him for his Kerry interview. That was pretty ridicuous, since Jon is a commedian. Do we expect tough interviews from Leno?

So how did Jon repsond:

"The show that leads into my show is puppets making prank phone calls. What is wrong with you?"

And the audience laughed.

You think a drunk could have thought of something so quickly?

Likewise, Jon was trying to reasonably point out that Crossfire is shout TV. Tucker says "You need a job at a journalists school."

And Jon says "You need to go to journalist school."

A drunk could have thought of something so quickly?

[vinnievin777]

71. You have a point

Don't know if a drunk could have come up with that one.

Vinnie
http://www.vinnievin.com

[Sterling]

94. We all have points except you.

Your thread was a pointless waste of time. Juyst be happy Stewart is on our side and let the rest of us do the driving from here on out.

[RoyGBiv]

35. Now who is being pompous ...

You claim to want debate.

Okay, you were issued a rational and legitimate challenge. See post #9. You have avoided it. Are you trolling, or do you have something substantive to say?

Legitimately answer the challenge, and I'll believe the latter. Otherwise, I'll repeat: Jon Stewart won't be your monkey.

[Susang]

37. Funny, I don't recall anyone saying he was "ambushed"

And rational debate in this thread would probably not include the phrase you chose in your initial post: "Come on guys, have a mind of your own", as rational debate does not usually include insults against the intelligence of those you propose to debate.

[Sterling]

95. Yes I would say he preempted any ambush and destroyed

the whole cast as well as the fake cable news media in general. The whores are no match for Stewart and his daily show staff.

[philosophie_en_rose]

38. this is silly. did you even see the show?

Jon Stewart was passionate and angry, but he was advocating for rational debate about real issues.

The point of Jon's argument was not that he was the most morally superior, but that real journalists have an obligation to the truth that subsume any obligation of niceness.

[NoPasaran]

59. If a drunk could have done what JS did

I hope Crossfire books more drunks

[Media_Lies_Daily]

60. You seem to have missed the fact that Crossfire SUPPORTS the...

...view of the NeoCons much more often than they object. Carville and Begala are real disappointments to me because they talk a good game but roll over most of the time.

What Jon said NEEDED to be said...I'm just sorry that someone outside the news/talk show industry had to say it.

[funnymanpants]

29. Sophmoric? What?

We obviously see things differently. I never watch TV, (except tape shows from the Jon Stewart show), but this was one of the best 30 minutes in TV in years.

I think a lot of people (not on this thread, necessarily) are missing the point Jon is making, and are missing the problem of the press in general. The problem with the press is not that it leans left or right (though it does lean right). The problems is that they lie, and just as bad, they so debase debate in this country that we can't even discuss the issues. Look at how many wasted hours were spent on the debates analyzing style and posture.

That is why Jon calls shows like Crossfire theatre. They want to pretend to talk about serious matter when alls they do is distract us.

In other countries the press doesn't act like this. (Well, maybe in Italy, but look what kind of a government they have.)

Our press corps is turning democracy into a farce.

Crossfire *is* the problem, just like about every screaming idiot show out there.

Another quick point: Jon wants a debate between right and left. But he correctly pointed out that the right and left think they can lie because the ends justify the means. So the public is left with lies and are screwed over.

[Maiden England]

30. personally I'd love to see him without clothes....

how dare you stoke my new found crush, I honestly never read beyond the headline, I was too busy in my imagination, but I assume it was utter shite, now back to that fantasy...

[vinnievin777]

33. OK

And John Stewart oh wait that's Jon Stewart wants you.
Hope that helps.
Vinnie
http://www.vinnievin.com

[Selwynn]

Hey vinnie - I notice you've not responded to my challenge to you

Why not? :)

[RummyTheDummy]

31. I like Jon Stewart I really do. But some here forget about a little film

Called "Big Daddy".

Oh well, I suppose everyone makes mistakes, including Jon Stewart.

[ghostsofgiants]

34. If that's your harshest criticism of Jon...

Then I think he's in good shape.

[vinnievin777]

39. My intent is not to criticize John oh I mean Jon Stewart

but I saw everyone fawning over his performance in DU and I was like wait a minute what is going on here? I was out in the real world saying "okay he had a bad day" to everyone I told he was going to be on crossfire. I don't think rude is cool-- sorry. But that is just me in here anyways.
This is my last post so everyone have an exciting evening.
Vinnie
http://www.vinnievin.com

[Susang]

41. So it was okay with you

That Tucker Carlson called him a "butt-monkey"? That wasn't rude? Where's your outrage over that? After all, the "dick" comment was the absolute last think Stewart said on the show, Carlson repeated the butt-monkey comment over and over again throughout it. So really, who's the rude one?

To me, rudeness is starting a flamewar and not sticking around to justify your controversial post. But that's just my opinion. Enjoy your "exciting evening" yourself.

[SemperEadem]

43. Those of us with a mind of our own don't agree with you.

being able to spell the man's name correctly would have enhanced your credibility... sulking and making 2 lame posts with the exact same disengenuous "oops" comment because you were called on it diminishes your credibility exponentially.

Bye.

[ghostsofgiants]

56. I wasn't even talking to you.

I was talking to the guy who mentioned Big Daddy.

[Eloriel]

85. Oh, now I get it

He EMBARRASSED you. You were wanting him to be funny, not a powerful truth teller. And now you feel (incorrectly, but that's your problem) that you have to make amends and apologize for him to all your friends.

Clue for ya: speaking truth to power DOES sound rude to those who support said power at the expense of all the rest of us. You're serving as an enabler.

Stewart was courageous beyond belief, and 100% right on. I agree totally with the poster upthread who said it was the best 30 minutes of TV in years if not decades. We can only hope for more of the same because democracy itself DEPENDS on a free press as the Founders envisioned it, not infotainment to dazzle and impress you and your friends.

[RummyTheDummy]

42. Well it was a hopelessly cheesy film

NT

[philosophie_en_rose]

40. but he was genius in "Death to Smoochy."

:eyes:

[Media_Lies_Daily]

62. So, what's your point? Do you even HAVE a point?

[Dr Fate]

36. No- he was in top form.

As other fans on this thread pointed out already.

[pen dragon]

48. a voice of reason in the wilderness

[MADem]

44. And his OCT 18 Daily Show was HILARIOUS!!!

He used Crossfire as his material--the crowd went wild!!!!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

45. Totally disagree. He was obviously there specifically to deliver the

message that he did. It was awesome.

[otohara]

46. Have A Mind Of Your Own?

You obviously don't understand the significance of what Jon Stewart did on Crossfire. What a bizzare post!

[Swamp Rat]

47. Don't vote for Bush vinnievin777! He's an alien lizard!

[Lorien]

49. Let's not feed the trolls

especially ones so unfamiliar with Stewart that they can't spell his first name.

[Carolab]

50. In the words of O'Reilly

SHUDDAP

[Robbie67]

53. If I had been invited to Crossfire

I would hope that I would be talking about the things Jon talked about

They should book Carlin next

[Crago]

55. Jon Stewart was correct.

I have discontinued watching Crossfire months ago. It's worse then pro wrestling. Tucker Carlson keeps talking over everyone and you cannot figure out what is said. I don't need the aggravation.

[donheld]

57. I think it's really quite Ironic

We democrats are always saying about other democrats "They are too timid" "too polite, or "Too nice." Kerry has been accused of being to polite by nearly everyone, in DU and out. Then we get a man like John Steward who comes out swinging, ranting and raving and we get somebody like Vinnie who then complains. I just don't understand. We want Democrats not to be wimps but then some bitch when the gloves come off. :crazy::crazy: Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, O'Liely etc have been EXTREMELY rude for several years, but if we get a man who raises his voice a little we cry :cry:"Rude." Maybe some day we'll figure out what we really want :crazy::crazy:

[BritishHuman]

58. I watched it via internet, and...

...the thing that got me was that Carlson seemed to have fundamentally missed the point of the Daily Show, claiming it was an irreverent look at politicians or some such.

Actually, it reserves most of it's poking for the media, using the "senior <whatever> correspondent" to say something totally outrageous and yet not too far from what the real news shows do.

I love the Daily Show, and I'm just sorry that what Jon said didn't seem to sink in with Tucker.

[prodigal_green]

99. Hooray! somebody made the point.

I was going to post this, but I decided to look and see if anybody else had done so.

Stewart also made some comment (don't have transcript in front of me) in a very sarcastic tone about his concerns as a comedian far outweighing his concerns as a citizen.

I know a lot of comics (I know several of the writers for the Daily Show as a matter of fact). They are deadly serious in their everyday life. Recognizing absurdity is what makes them funny.

[Walt Starr]

61. Yeah, well screw you too!

Sorry, Stewart is a hero and those who don't like it are crap IMO.

[tom_paine]

63. Trolling, trolling over the Bounding Web...

(sung to the tune of 'Over The bounding Seas')

[htuttle]

75. All the usernames that end with '777' seem to have something in common

They all end up with tombstones.

Easy pickings....

:eyes:

[ProfessorGAC]

64. Yawn!!!

The value of your post was . . . . what again?
The Professor

[Jacobin]

65. Where's that ignore button again?

:eyes:

[vinnievin777]

66. The word of the day is

Sycophants

[charlie]

67. No, Vinnie

You tried to set yourself up as the Cleared-Eyed One in the DU Hivemind and failed miserably. That was your mistake, not the minority opinion.

[ibegurpard]

114. That IS a great word

to describe the "pundits" on shows like Crossfire.

[morgan2]

68. what I don't understand

is why someone on the far right would disagree with what stewart said.. They seem to also be against media consolidation and its reprecusions, except the nuttiest who believe in no government regulation at all. Just because the criticism is coming from someone on the left you can't take it?

[vinnievin777]

69. I don't quite understand your question

But seeing that you asked nicely. I am definitely not from the right.
I know a lot of people on the left (who don't have to stay on message like here in the DU) that said Jon Stewart came off as wormy and sucked --I just think he had a bad day. And I think he hurt Kerry by his performance on crossfire. Because a lot of people who are undicided may have watched that and since I am a big fan of Jon Stewart and I didn't like it I could just imagine what they thought.
That said I am a strong Kerry supporter despite the slings and arrows of some of the people here who I am guessing haven't ventured out into the real world to actually hear how other people viewed Jon Stewarts performance. But I have to say after reading some of the threads we aren't all that different and that is sad.

Vinnie
http://www.vinnievin.com

[NYCGirl]

72. Hurt Kerry?? How in the hell did Stewart hurt Kerry from his stint

on Crossfire?

[IrateCitizen]

74. Pay no mind -- vinnievin777 is pulling an "O'Reilly"...

O'Reilly (n) 1. an overly obnoxious and pompous commentator who intimidates and bullies guests by yelling over them and telling them to "shut up".
2. a debating tactic that involves just "making shit up" as you go along, in the hopes that it cannot be immediately disproven, as Paul Krugman described debating Bill O'Reilly.

[vinnievin777]

76. Let me explain

I live in Norwalk CT -I myself have gotten over 500 people to register around the country and in my town 3000 new people registered to vote -most of them were undecided before. If you watched crossfire from a strictly unbiased point of view you were at least saying Jon Stewart didn't have his A game (I am putting this very midly)-

I found myself saying to a lot of people who I told "you got to watch crossfire" --"okay it wasn't a good day for him" and making copies for them of the coverage of the first debate

This is my last post until the next time because I think there are far more important matters to tend to
but I will say the democrats here in my town have gone up 7 percent and the republicans have gone down and leave it on a good note.

Vinnie
http://www.vinnievin.com

[semillama]

79. That's not an explaination, it's a reiteration.

You just said the same thing again. you didn't explain how it wasn't his "a-game" and didn't elaborate how he screwed up on Crossfire.

I myself was on a plane that night and haven't seen the Crossfire tapes yet, but I did catch the Daily Show last night and laughed like a maniac.

Everyone I know says that Stewart killed on Crossfire. Folks here backed up their claims he was good that night with examples. You can't pick one example of how he didn't do well. You just keep asserting that he didn't do well, and act like that's an explanation. For crying out loud, that's how BUSH acts!

Just so you know, using the "This is my last post until the next time because I think there are far more important matters to tend to" line is a classic cop-out on BBS used by folks who can't back up their positions and want to convince themselves they didn't just make a complete ass out of themselves.

See, this is why I don't post unless I actually have something to add.

[NYCGirl]

83. Exactly. That's not an explanation on how Jon Stewart's performance

on Crossfire hurts Kerry.

This is the kind of thing that Stewart was talking about...people make claims, and then either don't get called on them (which is the job of the news media), or don't answer the follow up.

[ProfessorGAC]

78. We Have To Stay On Message At DU?

Once again, in your less than crystalline view, everyone here agrees and your not the only one in dissent.

Once again, i will ask you, as i asked someone else, WHERE ARE YOUR EXAMPLES OF THIS?

It is grossly insulting for you to assume that everyone thinks alike here, except for you. The implication is that we cannot think for ourselves, with the exception of fonts of infinite wisdom such as yourself.

If you are going to take such an inflammatory position, why would you expect anything other than the repsonses your post has essentially received?

It's illogical to expect anything else.

When you come off your high horse, you might get a larger proportion of civil responses.
The Professor

[Susang]

87. Dude, I work at a Harley dealership

Is that "real world" enough for you? :eyes:

BTW, all the people here that I showed the clip to thought Stewart was great. And you don't get more "real world" than Chicago cops and bikers. The only person who didn't enjoy his performance was my multimillionaire boss.

[Sterling]

100. Begala hurt Kerry by not laughing at himself.

Begala actually is supposed to whore for Kerry. Jon is just supposed to tell the truth and be funny. What STewart said was true. Most Americans agree with STewart.

Certainly most Kerry supporters do. So why can't Begala and Carville look in the mirror and make some adjustments? Maybe because that takes a big man to do and DLC whores are not real men? Yes I think so.

[vogonity]

77. Jon Stewart had a GREAT day. Now here's what a BAD day looks like:

[Selwynn]

80. WHERE ARE YOU VINNIEVIN? ANSWER POST #9

I see you're enjoying totally IGNORING my point blank question of you and pretenting like YOU HAVE CLOTHES OF ANY KIND. But until you answer that simple request, you sir, are the one who has no clothes.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

82. yes i am sure he is the one with no clothes

:eyes:

[Vickers]

84. Gee, who gives a fuck

:eyes:

[Batgirl]

86. I too found Stewart to be terribly rude

but then, this was the first tv I've watched since being taken out of cryogenic storage last week. Why back in my day, the most confrontational program on TV was "Family Feud." Now you take your Richard Dawsons, now he could teach that Jean Steward something about manners...

[Vickers]

92. Hahahahaha!

:toast:

I like your sense of humidity!

[RollergirlVT]

88. I wish he had no clothes

He's HOT! but I think he did a great service to us all by calling out the crossfire hacks!

[NYCGirl]

91. Maybe this'll help you. Half naked Jon! (oh, and a girl)

[RetroLounge]

90. Uhm, Stupid AssHat of a post

Dumbest Post yet...

Now begone...

RL

[Sterling]

93. I agree. I can't believe I share an ideology with some people here.

Someone finally has a bullworth moment on CCrossfire and some people are upset it destroyed the myth that their favorite shoutfest is a fraud.

It figures. If someone could not see what we all saw and Jon saw I don't they are in touch with a large dose of reality.

Begala, Carville and the DLC douche bags better get hip and start kissing Jons ass. Jon is part of the new "liberal media" One that will actually speak for liberals. So you DLC dinos better wake up and smell the coffee. If you play noce we may just let you hang around. Otherwise you might just look into actually joining the Puke party instead of just enabling them.

[Bread and Circus]

96. Sure, I agree with Tucker Carlson and Bob Novak too !!!!

/end sarcasm :eyes:

[Ladyhawk]

97. Jon Stewart has no clothes...where??? God, he's hot!!! :D

[NYCGirl]

98. See my post #91. (eom)

NT

[Maiden England]

101. Darn, I've drooled all over my keyboard now

the OP may have had a skewed opinion, but I sincerely thank him for starting such a wonderful topic :loveya: Jon. Sigh.
Thanks NYCGirl.

[NYCGirl]

102. You're very welcome.

:hi:

Edited to add: And you can use that pic as a desktop for your comp. (I think I'll put it on mine.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=edit&forum=104&topic_id=2509729&mesg_id=2511931

[UpsideDownFlag]

103. Did anyone actually read Vinnie's website?

he seems pretty legit. maybe a bit too flamebaity for my tastes, but legit.

(for instance, he references Will Pitt)

[IrateCitizen]

104. I don't doubt that he's legit, I've seen him here before...

... but that doesn't change the fact that his opinion/statement on this singular issue is pure asshat. ;-)

[Vickers]

105. Even the fiercest progressive can occasionally fuck up

:shrug:

I had checked out his website after ANOTHER seemingly boneheaded post he had made some time back, so it seems he makes a habit of it.

[Sterling]

106. Why does it have to be his site?

Just saying. Think about it. But yes even true progressives miss the boat sometimes.

[Selwynn]

107. It's not a FUCK UP - its just an OPINION we disagree with

I've challenged him to provide clear examples to support his opinion, but I don't like this attitude about people who disagree.

If you don't like the way Jon presented himself, you have as much right that opinion as anyone else.

[Vickers]

108. Yes, he has a right to his opinion

and yes, I can call it a fuck up if that's what I feel it is.

See? We agree!

:toast:

[vinnievin777]

109. Thank you for that

And I was not ignoring you I think I answered your questions.
First off I did not think he was funny at all. Secondly, If you didn't know what the "history" was and you saw him for the first time you were scratching your head as to why everyone says he is so good. He resorted to name calling and he looked basically like a fidgety seventh grade rebel without a cause. I would have preferred to see the witty intellect that he has on his show.
That said I appreciate you saying I have a right to say what I feel and I actually didn't change the post saying "mind of your own" so I could apologize to those who seriously thought that Stewart was good without people knowing why.I also left it up because I think there is unfortunately a sheepish mentality in some of the threads. Rational dialog is the way to go.

By the way this is a stupid issue to have over a hundred threads on especially since I agree with Stewart's premise that CNN is right-biased, but I think cross fire is the exception. I actually wish he did better because if anyone knows of my past writings I have constantly criticized CNN for giving Bush a free ride especially on the Iraq war. But when you go about criticizing wrongly you give those who are wrong a sense of validity which they should not have.
Furthermore I even had a little "Jon Stewart for President" promotion going before Kerry was nominated so I am certainly not anti-Stewart even if I don't spell his name right.

Once again to those who felt I insulted them I certainly did not --and I apologize.
I am glad I found the DU as I agree with all of you on the main issues.

Vinnie Vin

http://www.vinnievin.com

[Selwynn]

111. don't thank me UNTIL you have the balls to answer post #9

That's all I've repeatedly asked from you.

You say you answered my questions? Where, how? I must have missed it. Why not click "reply" to post #9 and get in there with specifics...

In case you don't understand what I don't feel was answered, I asked your for SPECIFIC EXAMPLES from the transcript of exactly what statements troubled you, AND an example of what you think should have been said instead. That's not too complicated.

Otherwise, I'm gonna have to eat my words and let people say whatever they want about your trolling.

[Vickers]

112. "He resorted to name calling" Yup, you are full of shit

He may have RESPONDED to name calling, after Tucker called him "Kerry's butt-boy."

Or did you forget that part?

"By the way this is a stupid issue to have over a hundred threads on especially since I agree with Stewart's premise that CNN is right-biased, but I think cross fire is the exception."

See, you are completely missing the point, just like Tucker. It isn't the bias...it is their claim that they represent some kind of debate between the left and the right, when in fact they are simply parroting left and right talking points.

You seem too pigheaded to try to educate about this, so I will bow out of the thread.

Adios!

[Selwynn]

116. Yeah, he has yet to come back with specifics, only vagueness

[Susang]

113. "A Sheepish Mentality"

That's just precious. You start a flame-bait thread and then essentially post and run when nobody agrees with you, then have the nerve to call the mentality on these threads sheepish?

Again, I'll remind you that everyone I have shown this clip to, liberal and conservative, has loved it. They all cheered when Stewart told Carlson "I won't be your monkey", and we usually all argue like cats and dogs when it comes to politics here at work. Oh, and I live and work in the real world of inner city Chicago, so your crack about getting out into the "real world" of Connecticut doesn't exactly impress me much.

I disagree that this is a "stupid issue" to discuss, particularly since it seems that you completely missed Stewart's point. He wasn't saying that Crossfire or CNN was slanted to the right (or the left). He was saying that their theatrics, ratings and corporate sponsorships were the only things that mattered to them any longer and that plays right into the hands of the two political parties. They have become the tools of the very people and organizations they are supposed to be exposing. Because of this, everyone loses. By going on Crossfire, Stewart was being honest and said to their faces what he'd been saying behind their backs. Takes a lot of guts to do that, no wonder he looked a little nervous. It's too bad you expected him to be glib and amusing while he was confronting them. I prefer to see honest emotions myself.

[ElectroPrincess]

115. Legit about what? I think he's a flaming kinda guy. Yuck!

[LibertyorDeath]

117. There is no REAL Fire in Crossfire.

I can't think of anyone more "sophomoric" than bow tie boy.

The show is pure shit there is nothing substantive going on.
It is a safe haven for the douchbag for Liberty to spread his disease.

It is more fake than TDS fake news. There is no REAL Fire in Crossfire.
They all pat each other on the back off camera when the show is done & go collect their corporate whore pay checks from AOL-Time-Warner

A bunch of he said she said bullshit presented as real political discourse. It's laughable.

Jon pointed out the obvious it took courage & he fucking Rocks their little safe sideshow world.

Crossfire is paint by numbers for the politically retarded. IMO