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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:16 PM
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BHN

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This has been circulating around the net for a few days. An individual claiming to be Karl Schwarz has
appeared on the Kerry message board. You can find that huge thread here. People are trying to figure
out if this guy is actually legit or not and I'm still not entirely convinced myself.

http://forum.johnkerry.com/index.php?showtopic=95271

This was his letter:

"Demand Letter Sent To
Bush By Corp CEO
From Karl W. B. Schwarz
President, Chief Executive Officer
Patmos Nanotechnologies, LLC
10-13-4

By Email, By Facsimile to White House

Mr. President,

I am a Conservative Christian Republican that has no intentions of voting for you in this year's election and
many other Conservative Republicans are following me.

America demands the TRUTH and not after the elections; this nation demands the truth from you RIGHT
NOW! This letter and an identical email will be going out to hundreds of thousands by me, millions by
others. The following content was sent to the White House by facsimile earlier today from Ground Zero in
New York City.

1. I demand as an American citizen that you lift the "gag order" on Sibel D. Edmonds and let Americans
know what foreign names and what AMERICAN NAMES she uncovered in her FBI translations that were
involved in drug trafficking, money laundering and the financing of 9-11. Her facts and your "official story"
lies do not add up. Americans demand the truth on that matter before the election.

2. I demand to know what energy companies were in that Cheney Energy Task Force meeting and what
discussions there were as to the steps that would be taken to remove the Taliban and Bridas Corporation
as the last remaining obstacle to the United States controlling the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline. I met that
company in 1999 and have known since then about the Bridas v Unocal, $15 billion interference of
contract lawsuit in US District Court, Southern District of Texas. I also know about the Fifth Circuit Court of
Appeals decision on September 9, 2003 that upheld the Bridas $500 million arbitration settlement and the
March 22, 2004 denial of Writ of Certiorari at the United States Supreme Court, Case 03-1018, Turkmenneft v
Bridas.

3. I demand to know how many prisoners are being held at GITMO and other places that are either BRIDAS
EMPLOYEES or are persons that know all about Bridas Corporation and what your administration did to get
control of that Trans-Afghanistan pipeline.

4. I demand to know how many board meetings Condoleezza Rice and Thomas Kean sat in on at
Chevron and Amerada Hess where it was discussed how they were going to deal with making the billions
in "Big Oil" investments into a land locked Caspian Basin and how to get rid of the Taliban and Bridas so
they could turn those investments into cash flow. How many times did Big Oil ask for military force to
complete a commercial transaction they could not get under their control, and on what exact date did
you agree to provide such military force - prior to 9-11? Isn't it true Mr. Bush that the Cheney Energy Task
Force discussed that attack on Afghanistan and removal of the Taliban / Bridas obstacle once and for all -
and did so well in advance of 9-11?

5. I demand to know why you appointed 10 persons to the 9-11 Commission, 8 of which are directly
benefiting by the Taliban / Bridas "contract" obstacle being removed - breached with military force, and
the big Caspian Oil deals that are now coming to market. No, America does not 'thank you' for that nor
do we hold such despicable conduct up high.

6. I demand to know what US Oil Company stepped up as the sponsor of that OPIC and Asia
Development Bank funded Trans-Afghanistan pipeline and what US company is constructing that pipeline
right now, and what US firms are supplying the key components and their relationship to your
administration.

7. I demand that you identify the company and persons who were going around Bridas to be "natural gas
suppliers" to the US owned natural gas electrical generation plants in Pakistan (Dynegy - Illinova /Tenaska,
El Paso (2 OPIC financed transactions) and others.

8. I demand to know why you have not been truthful with the American public that your GWOT and
military policy are protecting the Caspian Basin Oil and Gas deals for many of your Bush Pioneers, some
$9.6 trillion in oil and about $3 trillion in natural gas, now mostly in the hands of your elite wealthy
contributors and some elite Liberals to keep this all quiet.

9. I demand to know what role the post-bankruptcy ENRON (Prisma Energy International, Cayman Islands)
is playing in the Caspian Basin area, the same Enron that uses the law firm of Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw
that established the offshore SPE's for assets that were never under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Bankruptcy
Court.

10. I demand to know why you appointed Richard Ben Veniste to the 9-11 Commission when it was his law
firm that was stalling Bridas Corporation at the Fifth Circuit US Court of Appeals in the matter of Bridas
Corporation v. Turkmenneft and his law firm is directly involved in Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan and
Uzbekistan and your administration.

11. I demand to know the exact date of the order that had our military practicing in early 2001 the invasion
of Afghanistan to take out the Taliban and Bridas Corporation and make that pipeline under control of US
interests, many of your Bush Pioneers, and the exact date that our military started practicing and preparing
for that invasion.

12. I demand to know who Remington Holdings Ltd is, and Western Acquisitions, Inc, both Baker & Botts
clients and the lucky recipients of OPIC financing to acquire oil and gas deposits in Pakistan.

Who are the parties involved in those entities by name and benefited from such governmental
magnanimity? Is this transaction a payoff? Since American taxpayers are footing the bill, we have the right
to know - right now.

13. I demand to know why you could not find 10 people to sit on the 9-11 Commission that are not directly
benefiting from the actions you have taken and the lives you have cost or otherwise ruined. Why would
you select people not motivated to find the truth for that would impact "their bottom line"?

14. I demand a full disclosure from your administration as to the Citibank / IFTRIC / OPIC / Export-Import
Bank financing of American / Israeli based deals in Islamic nations on behalf of your major campaign
contributors.

"IFTRIC and Citibank have an agreement allowing Citibank to finance approved IFTRIC-backed
transactions. Citibank Israel CEO Nandan Mar said: 'The Citibank branch, and the Structured Trade
Finance Group, view IFTRIC's program as a basic product for the bank's domestic activities.'"

I see distinct differences between "terrorism" and "outrage" (Shurtan II) at your policies.

15. I demand to know why you wanted an entire new division of the CIA for Argentina. As an American
citizen I take umbrage to your belligerence towards a nation that is not an enemy of the United States by
any stretch of the imagination, except possibly yours. It is abundantly clear that your intentions were solely
to intimidate Argentina and Argentina based Bridas Corporation into silence and that is NOT AMERICA.
That has every appearance of the United States acting as the terrorist and a state sponsor of terrorism. Yes,
you are wrapped in a flag but I clearly see that it is not the one you purport it to be.

16. I demand to know why your administration has never disclosed that DynPort Vaccine, LLC, owned by
DynCorp and now owned by Computer Sciences Corporation, a Bush Pioneer, is a possible source for
where the weaponized Ames Strain of anthrax came from that was used against this nation. How did your
administration manage to miss one of your campaign contributors and a company doing large volumes
of business with your administration and even being known euphemistically (DynCorp) as The Mercenary
Company? Who put that Contract on America?

17. I demand to know how you can claim a pretense of being a Christian while sponsoring and
condoning the torture of prisoners, including sodomizing children, at Abu Ghraib prison.

18. I demand to know how your administration can send firms overseas as "representatives of this nation"
that were convicted of running a flesh trade in little girls in Bosnia, specifically one DynCorp. Convicted in
Texas and the United Kingdom according to reports I have seen and apparently detested in Afghanistan.
You do recall that DynCorp is the company providing security to protect your puppet Karzai in
Afghanistan and your other puppet Zalmay Khalilzad is deterring anyone from running for President in that
bogus "free" democracy?

19. I demand to know why your administration keeps running the name and photos of Adnan G. El
Shukrijumah as the "dirty bomb boogeyman" and on March 25, 2003 the FBI knew exactly where to find him
and did not go after him. That telephone call was made from my telephone by a Canadian friend that
was in Little Rock on that date, Mr. Bush, so do not pretend "national security" with me.

I am "first person" on this matter and all of America deserves to know the extent that your administration
has been and is lying to us all - and someone that is not Al Qaeda is probably "dropping a suspect name"
as they set up a dirty bomb attack. Sure have pushed up the oil and gas prices with your strategy though,
guess we can consider that another "Mission Accomplished".

20. I demand to know why your administration keeps referring to Adnan G. El Shukrijumah as a "Saudi"
when the FBI knows full well he is not Saudi. His family is from Guyana in South America and they have lived
in Florida since 1986 without incident. His grandparents were from Yemen, moved long ago to South
America and his mother is from Trinidad & Tobago.

21. I demand to know why you alerted India, Pakistan and "Axis of Evil" member Iran of your intentions to
attack the Taliban / Bridas well before 9-11, and not notify the citizens of this nation. That matter was
reported on June 26, 2001 in India newspapers.

22. I demand to know the exact date that the first meeting, first page of the Patriot Act was started by your
administration.

23. I demand to know why it is you, your backers, certain Democrats that apparently "hate our freedoms"
more than these purported GWOT Islamic fundamentalists, hence the Patriot Act that treats all Americans
with the same degree of contempt and disdain you treat all non-wealthy Americans.

24. I demand to know why Homeland Security is protecting this government and not protecting this nation.


25. I demand to know why any dissent or objections to your Orwellian, imperialistic, pro-corporate agenda
is referred to the Homeland Security Counter-Terrorism Division.

26. I demand to know why you defile everything you touch and try to twist it into something that is pro-Bush
Backers and anti-American citizens and then try to alter our rights as Americans via Patriot Act measures
that are designed to force America into submission and does nothing to protect this nation, only this
government.

27. I demand to know why your administration is planning a "pro-Bush Pioneers pharmaceutical program"
derived from TMAP (Texas Medical Algorithm Project) and PENNMAP (Tom Ridge, Pennsylvania) to have
Americans tested under guidelines prepared by your Bush Pioneers and force psychotropic drugs on
Americans.

28. I demand to know why your administration keeps injecting our troops with an anthrax vaccine known
to be deadly and harmful to the health of our soldiers and now apparently wish to inject that into all
Americans under Project BioShield and martial law. Is that why you have no concern whatsoever for the 3
million jobs lost, for between your TMAP lunacy and Project BioShield lunacy, well over 3 million Americans
could perish if the same statistical rates hit the general population as has hit our military? Can you explain
away Holocaust with "brilliant strategy policy" driven by unmitigated greed?

29. I demand to know why Li Ka-shing was denied Global Crossing on national security grounds (very
public) yet allow him in the back door in Savi Technology (not disclosed), the RFID technology company
that is purportedly protecting our ports from insertion of a nuclear bomb into this nation via "ocean going
containers". How many doors are left wide open by your administration in this GWOT Fable?

30. I demand to know why you search the world for mythical terrorists and cannot find robber barons and
financial terrorist right under your nose. That many of them are Bush Pioneers and even backers of the
Democratic Party, and have plundered the investors, workers and citizens of this nation, is very apparent to
Americans and not very pro-family on your part.

Christians do not lie, Mr. Bush, for that is an affront to God. A Christian would not willfully mislead this
nation, nor send our troops into Harm's Way for a lie while your wealthy contributors take over a $9.6 trillion
oil, $3.0 trillion natural gas deal and already maneuvering for Africa. You are proving to the world that you
are terrified of the truth and have impeded every investigation into the truth.

Your actions prove that you are not an upstanding Christian, nor are you a Conservative Republican
worthy of that designation.

Your position as President does not make you unaccountable to the citizens of this nation, nor does it
entitle you to act as a tyrant, an emperor, or serving only those Americans that dole out money for your
political ambitions and agendas. I see no "stewardship" in your conduct whatsoever.

You have "Mission Accomplished" three times - the removal of Taliban / Bridas to control that pipeline,
radically escalated the price of oil and gas for some of your major backers, and the death and maiming
of many due to your lies. Your "Iraq Strategery" makes perfect sense to me, since all of you needed a
diversion away from Afghanistan, the Caspian Basin and what you did to Bridas Corporation to get
control of that $9.6 trillion in oil, $3 trillion in natural gas.

Go back home and wrap yourself in the flag of Texas and the shame you alone are responsible for
creating. Your resume is your doing and yours alone.

If you were running against me this year, you would not have the guts to stay on the stage in a debate
with me.

Shame on all of you, both sides of the aisle that have lied to America and gotten so many killed and
maimed for a lie, and no, I am not an antiwar person. Just adamantly opposed to what you stand for, for
that is lower than Clinton on his worst day.

Sincerely,

Karl W. B. Schwarz
President, Chief Executive Officer
Patmos Nanotechnologies, LLC"
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:31 PM
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1. Kicking
While waiting for the others to find it.

BHN
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Tapirlover Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 09:21 AM
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58. karl schwarz









































































Special Report

Sinclair is more than broadcasting
Sinclair's connections explains the Kerry hit piece it wanted to broadcast

By Karl W. B. Schwarz
Online Journal Contributing Writer

Download a .pdf file for printing.
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Click here to download a free copy.

October 20, 2004—Many Americans do not know that before his days of crime at Enron, Andy Fastow was intimately involved in another "American Energy and Finance Scam" named Penn Central and that sleazy deal wound up toppling Continental Illinois Bank at a taxpayer costs of billions.

Andy Fastow was an employee at Continental Illinois Bank and learned his "Special Purpose Entity (SPE)" skills from Michael Milken and others and was hired by Enron because he did so well at hiding stuff at Continental Illinois. In short, he was a trained and "uncaught" criminal already that was recruited to Enron to do the same.

Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw (Richard Ben Veniste's law firm and him on the 9-11 Commission) prides itself in offshore SPEs to circumvent US law (ask Cheney), hide assets, offshore games, SPEs, etc., and was the major law firm representing Enron. Probably are still representing Cayman Islands based Prisma Energy International. Many of those Fastow SPEs were Cayman Islands entities.

Most Americans do not know that Continental Illinois was based in Chicago, and so are the law firms of Mayer Brown, Rowe & Maw (Richard Ben Veniste, 9-11 Commission) and Winston Strawn (former Illinois Republican Governor James Thompson, also 9-11 Commission member).

If you look under Prisma Energy International—"Corporate Governance"—there are many former Enron International and Halliburton people involved in the post-bankruptcy Enron. This is an excellent example of the "hired help" stealing the company from its owners (shareholders and vested employees).

The reason that I point this out is that I learned many years ago to dig deeper than one inch to effect "due diligence" and know the facts.

We have a situation where Sinclair Broadcasting had made it clear they intended to run a very negative film documentary about John Kerry, titled Stolen Honor. Now, that could be partisanship, or maybe there is a "highly-motivated party" here in Sinclair as to why they are taking such actions. They have come before this nation without clean hands and I will show you why that is so.

Dig deep folks and always–follow the money.

"FOLSOM, Calif., Sept. 28 /PRNewswire/ラJadoo Power Systems, Inc (Jadoo), a leading provider of portable power products, was awarded a contract to develop power systems for the US Special Operations Command (SOCOM). The program's goal is to reduce the weight of energy storage carried in the field by the Special Forces . . ."

While the award of a government contract is not always newsworthy, a closer look reveals this:

"Jadoo Power Systems, Inc. (Jadoo) is a market-focused company that has developed next-generation portable energy storage and power generation products. Jadoo is a privately-held company with individual and organizational investors."

The two investors listed are:

1. Sinclair Ventures: a wholly owned subsidiary of Sinclair Broadcast Group, Inc. and

2. Contango Capital Management: formed to bring capital to innovative entrepreneurs who are working hard to answer the energy challenges facing our world today and in the near future.

We know who Sinclair is (Stolen Honor), but check out where some Enron and Harvard Business School people now work: Contango Capital Partners—look at John Berger's "resume"

John Berger
Managing Partner
Contango Capital Partners


Mr. Berger is a founding partner of the General Partner and its Managing Partner. Mr. Berger has over eight years of experience in the energy industry, during which he managed energy trading books for Enron Corporation and initiated development of the new Enron Premium Power Division. As a Manager, he made the previously unprofitable southeast short term trading operation for the Enron East Power Trading Division profitable by approximately $30 million over a two year period. Under his management, the southeast short term trading operation successfully administered the largest long-term customer deal in the industry, and increased the average daily volume in the southeast trading hub by ten times the former volume. Mr. Berger also managed the Enron Hourly Trading Desk, and operated a utility system in the southeastern United States. At Enron Energy Services he led and developed Enron's corporate strategy for new energy technologies and energy reliability financial products. In addition, Mr. Berger spearheaded development, investment, and partnership opportunities in fuel cell technologies.

Hmm, what a catchy name for a venture capital fund, "Con-tango."

That Berger division of Enron is the exact one that was plundering the State of California. Both Enron and El Paso executives have pleaded guilty to criminal charges and Mr. Berger gets to go out and do more deals. Criminal charges are also pending against Dynegy in California too.

Guess what, Enron, Dynegy, and El Paso are all involved in Pakistan and the Caspian Basin and would all benefit from the forced removal of the Taliban and Bridas Corporation.

Of course, he worked under Thomas White, vice chairman of that Enron division that was promoted by Bush to Secretary of the Army during the period of time that BUSH & Co were planning and practicing the assault on Afghanistan and BRIDAS CORPORATION and take over that Afghanistan pipeline.

Criminal charges were pending, and now confirmed with an Enron executive pleading guilty in California and an El Paso executive, too.

What an easy way to co-opt someone into doing evil. Criminal charges- that up and vanish against all but an unlucky fall guy.

Go an inch deeper. Who was representing Governor Gray Davis while all of this was under investigation and 21 US energy companies were caught red-handed fleecing $5.5 to $7.5 billion from California electricity customers?

From Chapter 13 of One-Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas, a Conservative Republican Speaks Out:

Footnote 689: www.sacbee.com/static/archive/news/special/power/080401data.htm l Meanwhile, Joseph Fichera and Michael Hoffman, two Davis administration advisers who had been criticized for failing to disclose energy-related stock holdings, sent letters to Davis on Friday saying they owned no stock in firms involved in providing power to the state.

Footnote 693: Special Consultants to Gov.; Name Agreement Date Service Term Date SEI Signed Notes Richard Ferreira 1/30/01 1/31/01 to 12/31/02 7/10/01 A-1 assets listed; $2k-$10k Calpine acquired 8/17/00; address redacted

Joseph Fichera - Saber Partners 3/1/01 3/1/01 to 6/30/01 exemption 1 negotiated transmission line deal; commission contract
** Kevin Stacey (director)
** William Moore (director)
** Paul Sutherland (director)
** Alan Blinder (advisory board chair)
Michael Hoffman - Blackstone Group 3/1/01 3/1/01 to 6/30/01 exemption 1 negotiated transmission line deal; commission contract
** Peter Peterson (chairman)
** Stephen Schwarzman (pres & ceo)
** Michael Puglisi (cfo)
** 15 staff working on the deal

Of course, Mr. Schwartzman is a Skull & Bonesman, a year behind George W. Bush, and a Bush Pioneer.

Talk about letting the fox watch the henhouse. Criminal conduct in California by the division of Enron that did it, and take one of the executives (Berger) and have him advising the prosecution (Federal Energy Regulatory Commission—FERC) as to what steps to take.

John Berger
Managing Partner
Contango Capital Partners

During 2002 and 2003, Mr. Berger served as an advisor to the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission where he drafted governance guidelines for the Regional Transmission Organizations and served as an advisor to the drafters of the Standard Market Design regulatory document that is currently before the United States Congress. He also advised the Commission on distributed generation, demand response, information gathering and application issues, investigations, and trade clearing/credit issues in the North American energy markets. Mr. Berger graduated cum laude from Texas A&M University with a B.S. in Civil Engineering. In 2003, he earned an MBA from Harvard Business School where he founded and organized the first annual Harvard Business School Energy Symposium and was a finalist in the 2003 HBS Business Plan Contest.

Oh yeah, and he is a good Texas A&M Aggie, too, which is the location of that George H. W. Bush Presidential Library that is off-limits so Americans can't know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about Bush sleaze.

Karl W. B. Schwarz lives in Little Rock, AR and is the author of "One-Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas, a Conservative Republican Speaks Out." He is the President and Chief Executive Officer of Patmos Nanotechnologies, LLC and I-nets Security Systems, a designer of intelligence and UAV systems. You can email him here.





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Gloria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 02:26 AM
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85. KICK
eom
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:41 PM
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2. Send Karl's letter to the Media Presstitutes
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 01:43 PM by JohnyCanuck
Let them know a shit storm's a-coming and they would be wise to be prepared to have their own cover as coporate propandists and hucksters for hire blown open as well.

Media email contact list
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:53 PM
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3. Agree
I'm passing all this along to as many as possible - while keeping my fingers crossed that this sees the light of day - SOMEHOW!!!
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 01:55 PM
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4. I think several did yesterday-
Thanks for the media database link again.
We should hammer this letter EVERYWHERE.
Each point is an opportunity to enlighten
someone who may be completely unaware
of what the BFEE is connected to, and oh what
a slimey web they have woven over the years.
BHN
Karl's other articles can be found here:
http://www.onlinejournal.com
Click on "Special Reports"
All three of his most recent articles are on the
front page of the special reports link.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 02:14 PM
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5. Kickin for KARL!
I just let him know we started a new thread
so that he can post more...Hangin on every word-
How about the rest of you?
It is so good to hear so hope from someone who clearly
knows the story and knows what to do about it.

BHN
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ret5hd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 02:36 PM
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6. i have shown this letter to 3 people today...
all three (and myself) were literally shaking when finished. From a combination of rage, fear, belief, disbelief, confusion. It is almost too much to digest in one sitting.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 02:57 PM
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9. That is my problem...it is so overwhelming
That thread yesterday was both thrilling and depressing at the same time. It is so very depressing to know the things that are going on under our nose by both parties. It is thrilling to realize there are people who are working to get this information out and to try and put an end to this world domination thing that is and has been happening. This is about our last chance for a reprieve. We absolutely must vote these thugs out of power now and in every election for the next decade or more. America needs to clean house.
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 08:09 AM
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124. Some times the Truth is horrifying
especially when the sheer extent that we have all been lied to comes to light.

That is why they run from me.

What is coming is even more stupifying.

The FRAUD that is GWB is being exposed.

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 02:42 PM
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7. Other important archived Sibel Edmonds threads:
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Bushfire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 02:45 PM
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8. Hear Karl on the radio Wed Oct 20th with Meria Heller
http://www.meria.net/

1pm to 2pm EDT

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Tapirlover Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:16 PM
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10. karl schwarz
Just spoke to Karl his book will become available TODAY..keep checking with www.rbnlive.com for info on ordering
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:07 PM
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27. Thanks for letting us know!
We are looking forward to it.
Is Karl okay?
Frankly, I am worried for his safety.
If the material he has is really explosive, I worry
about them trying to silence him. Really, I do.
BHN
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:22 PM
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11. Insight from KWBS on the previous thread: (hope that's OK Karl)
Just thought I'd keep people updated with some choice posts I felt are important.


KWBS (45 posts) Mon Oct-18-04 03:37 AM
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20. I am mad as Hell at GWBush


Hello Board, I am Karl W. B. Schwarz. I am the author of the letter that went to George W. Bush, however, that letter went out by email and by fax from Ground Zero on September 30, 2004, about 7 hours before the first debate.

I have come to post here at the request of someone on the Kerry board.

As the letter spread, someone put the date that they discovered it, not the actual date that it went.

That both parties had that information and neither said a word should be telling to all when they know the facts.

This is the header of the email that is posted on this web site with a brief explanation as to who received the letter.

"""Note - Natalie Jones is senior asst to Peter Maroney, DNC vice-chairman and research@johnkerry.com is Mike Gehrke, head of Kerry research. You might wonder why both sides have run from this letter that went by email and by fax from Ground Zero.

-----Original Message-----
From: Karl W. B. Schwarz <mailto:kw.schwarz@worldnet.att.net >
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:13 PM
To: President@Whitehouse. Gov
Cc: Natalie Jones; research@johnkerry.com
Subject: An American demands the truth from you

September 30, 2004 By Email, By Facsimile to White House
Mr. President,


I am a Conservative Christian Republican that has no intentions of voting for you in this year's election and many other Conservative Republicans are following me."""



The rest of the letter you already have.

If you check the John Kerry Forum under this same topic - you will find much information you need to know and distribute to help defeat Bush:

http://forum.johnkerry.com/index.php?showtopic=95271&st=30


I am a devout Christian, Conservative Republican, former RNC insider and I clearly see Bush Cheney as Fascism and I know firsthand that people on both sides of the aisle are involved.

There is much on the Kerry forum that is out of the book I wrote, One-Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas, a Conservative Republican speaks out.

So, will not belabour the point by posting it all here, but have shown you where to look.

I noted in the links that Kelly Ann's post is here, but not her retraction:

http://karmakat.typepad.com/picasso_dreams/2004/10/karl_schwarz_an.html

Unlike many who sit around and theorize, we have had direct communications.

There is much more coming, especially OnlineJournal.com. She is collaborating with Meria Heller to get the truth out and has given me two key articles as the lead on her main page, the one on Security Moms and the one on the Hypocrites.

This is coming and I have been bombing the paths clean for her.

http://www.citypages.com/databank/25/1244/article12523.asp

We found some of the names in what we do, she knows all of the names.

See also http://baltimorechronicle.com/050704SibelEdmonds.shtml

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/091504Madsen/091504madsen.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/092404Schwarz/092404schwarz.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/100204Schwarz/100204schwarz.html

I keep mentioning Sibel for a reason.

The truth is coming and it is very ugly. I have a piece coming out on OnlineJournal.com that may well cause suicides in DC and corporate America.

I am on www.meria.net Oct 20 from 10-11 PDT and one day this week or next am on AmericanAM out of Tampa from 7-9am EDT.

Will be on soon for my third show with John Stadtmiller National Intel Report, www.rbnlive.com .

There is literally a battle for this nation going on and this is where they think they have all of us:


“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
- David Rockefeller

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there's an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."
- Henry Kissinger

"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to create a ~one-world government combining Supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly evil in intent."
Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976,
killed 1983 in the Korean Airlines 747 by the Soviet Union.



I am voting for Kerry because I know what the Neocons are after. GWB is just a puppet and he has to go for the good of this nation.


Check onlinejournal.com this week. More coming.

Read the Kerry forum link.

Google "Karl Schwarz Truth" and you can see to what extent one voice can make a difference.

Most of all, let all you know - know that much truth is surfacing about Bush Cheney.

I was a key presenter at the 9-11, Confronting the Evidence.

See www.summeroftruth.org and find the link by my name to the PPT. That alone has caused over 37,000 Republicans that I know of to pull out on Bush.

The truth hurts and GWB has a lot of truth to face, including treason.

best regards,

Karl


KayLaw (885 posts) Mon Oct-18-04 11:31 AM
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40. Point 28 is interesting


I'd like to hear more about that!


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KWBS (45 posts) Mon Oct-18-04 12:09 PM
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43. POINT 28 reply


Chatper 5 of the book discloses much about the anthrax attacks, the anthrax vaccine. CIDRAP came out with a blistering report on how deadly and harmful the vaccine is, they just kept slamming it to our troops.

I will send chapter 5 if you want to read it.

email me at kw.schwarz@att.net and make sure you flag and title as QUESTION 28.

I am getting hundreds of emails a day, some times hundreds an hour.

Karl

Karl


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KWBS (45 posts) Mon Oct-18-04 12:05 PM
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42. addressing the questions


no, not afraid. They want hard ball, my people are meaner than theirs by a long shot. My team believes in AMERICA, not FASCISM.

There are two movements I am involved in - first, the 9-11Truth movement.

Second, THE MOVEMENT, that Silent Majority remnant, spin off from the Libertarians that is quite active and very powerful. Growing by teh day once many of them saw Bush CHeney as the fascist that they are, and the DNC is so "insular" to the far left, many Dems no longer feel represented by the DNC ideology. IMAGINE what would happen is a CONSERVATIVE DEM stood up and ran? That would freak them off the scale.

I started to add the Azerbaijan COC, and Halliburton, DynCorp and CIA working through there to upend the Caspian.

What we are all witnessing (in addition to unmitigated GREED) is a really crappy remake / bastardized hybridization of "THREE DAYS OF THE CONDOR / PELICAN BRIEF".

I can disclose that as a matter of RNC POLICY, the DNC and Dems are in large part to blame. One cannot have their cake and eat it too. One cannot have plentiful oil, low prices, and NOT develop US oil reserves, relying more on foreign sources than HOME SOURCES.

Make sure everyone you know has this link / thread and the same thread at Kerry Forums. Also, keep watching OnlineJournal.com. Much is about to break. Bush is going to have to face the music whether he likes that or not. TRUTH MATTERS.

Also, put your friends on to www.summeroftruth.org and let them see the PPT I presented in NYC. Most "get it" when they "see it".

If some of you wish, go to http://www.hillsenatenow.org . That is the best tape of 9-11 that I have seen. Far better than 9-11, In Plane Site.

Has footage that is a MUST SEE and is not hard to figure it out.

WE did 9-11.

back to the front lines, have a good day

Karl


KWBS (45 posts) Mon Oct-18-04 02:55 PM
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57. SEE THE POWERPOINT


http://www.summeroftruth.org/images/karl_schwarz.ppt

This was presented by me in NYC. Literally millios have seen it now and "they get it".

I met Bridas in 1999. Saw an older version of that map.

We attacked to take out Taliban and Bridas Corporaiton and then Bush wanted a new CIA division just for Argentina, and Bridas is from Argentina.

After my panel in NYC concluded a woman got past security and came running up on stage. She had been fired earlier this year in Buenos Aires for refusing to launder US DRUG MONEY. She informed that all of Argentina is hoping an American figured out what Bush did to Bridas and tells the world.

I did, I have.

I met Bridas becasue I used to be the only GLOBAL VAR of UUNet. We had plans for South America and needed ROW, Bridas has Oil and Gas ROW.

have a good one

Karl

KWBS (45 posts) Mon Oct-18-04 02:57 PM
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58. Neocons


Mr. Fund's deposition is tomorrow in the NYC area.

I spent this weekend preparing some deposition questions for this NEOCON.

You can read what he did here.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/101404Schwarz/101404schwarz.html

robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-18-04 11:02 PM
Response to Reply #83

99. KWBS - I hope you don't find my questions irrelevant.


It sounds like you have access to information concerning the 9/11 conspiracy that might lead to the truth coming out and bringing these treasonous criminals to justice. So I wanted to know:

Does Peak Oil play any role in this conspiracy? Do you believe Peak Oil will occur soon? Do key PNAC players like Cheney and Rumsfeld believe it will happen soon and does this serve as motivation for them?

You spoke earlier about writing an article that would cause many in DC and corporate America to commit suicide. Will this article come out before the election?

Are you aware of the lawsuit filed on behalf of several 9/11 families by Stanley Hilton, who claims he has documents that Bush ordered the 9/11 attacks? Do you believe his claims are valid?

In light of the fact FEMA has "training programs" scheduled for November 2, much like they and NORAD had terrorist "drills" on September 11, do you believe there will be an election on November 2?


Thank you so much for your time and effort. It's good to be in touch with someone dedicated to exposing the truth!

"In past ages, a war, almost by definiton, was something that sooner or later came to an end, usually in unmistakable victory or defeat. But when war becomes literally continuous, it also ceases to be dangerous. When war is continuous there is no such thing as military necessity. Efficiency, even military efficiency, is no longer needed. The rulers of such a state are absolute, as the Pharoahs or the Caesars could not be." -Orwell's 1984 or Bush's 2004?


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KWBS (45 posts) Tue Oct-19-04 01:03 AM
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116. yes and no


The Caspian Basin is a 30 year supply of oil for the U.S. so not soon.

There are huge reserves of oil deep, like under the Ouachita Mountains in Western Arkansas and into Oklahoma.

They are going for the "low hanging fruit".

Peak oil is a ways off. More about greed and over $10 trillion in oil and gas in the Caspian Basin and it was landlocked until we took over Afghanistan. That simple.

Our oil companies had invested billions into a landlocked deal, will not be landlocked much longer. The pipeline is under contruction now.

Stanley has a solid case, and the courts are balking. THey work for the DEFENDANT, remember.

YES, the article will come out before the elections.

Cannot say, Bush and Rove are desperate. I get that from inside and outside.

Karl

hopeisontheway (21 posts) Tue Oct-19-04 01:22 AM
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122. Stanley Hilton/Ellen Mariani & Phillip Berg


Karl,

I have read Stanley Hilton's case and Ellen Mariani's/Phillip Berg's case, even signed Ellen's petition on her website. What is going on in Stanley's case? Seems like the courts are stalling on this! Why is he having a hard time getting this rolling? It does seem like he has very credible evidence. He has done some publicity for it, but I don't think near enough. Could it be our media wh*res trying to bury it?

Do you know how Ellen's case is going?

I hope your own information will be the one to put these fascists pigs out of our government for a long time! These people are dangerous and scary!!! But then again, chimp supporters are very lacking in intelligence, so they may not understand all of this!


Jennifer


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KWBS (45 posts) Tue Oct-19-04 04:15 AM
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154. Hi Jennifer


I have read Stanley's case and talked with him, shared info with him. He must have a case, because his office has been broken into at least twice and found out today maybe a third time. He is being very careful to keep triplicate of all evidence and two in safe places.

Someone is very nervous about what he has.

He was on www.meria.net late Sept. Cannot remember the exact date but is available in her archives.

I am too, Sept 9 and Oct 6. And will be on Wed, Oct 20, 10-11 PDT.

The Mariani case I keep hearing strange things about. It was dismissed, refiled, withdrawn, etc. No straight answers and her attorney never returned my call.

I want to see justice for those families, to heck with the money aspects that the attorneys seem to be after.

Judicial Watch has a lawsuit filed, has not pushed it hard

I am aware of another lawsuit coming out of NYC that might be the kille lawsuit. Is based on evidence provided to the 9-11 Truth movement, some of which came from me.



KWBS

KWBS (45 posts) Tue Oct-19-04 01:28 AM
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124. RightMarch backing Bush 100%


sooooo, I could not let that stand without pointing them in the right direction.

As the Bible says, be wary of the stiff necked people.

They are blind and know not what they do.


-----Original Message-----
From: Karl W. B. Schwarz <mailto:kw.schwarz@worldnet.att.net >
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 12:48 PM
To: rightmarch@rightmarch.com
Subject: see link


Pastors who blindly lead their flock into fascism need to go back and ask God what to do.

http://smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=18312

If you were my pastor, I would not follow you to fascism.

Think it over gentlemen, ladies.

Our government did 9-11 for over $10 trillion in oil and gas. My heart says God is not pleased with such greed and lies. James 3 says it all about lies.

regards,


This battle is on all fronts ladies & gentlemen

Karl

















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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:45 PM
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12. a lot to digest
One thing stuck out in my mind, made a connection. I work with a fellow whose previous job involved clearing caves on a western air force base for use as targets by the flyboys. He was making sure there were no important archaeological sites at the target locations. This was pre-9-11.

That fits with the training Karl mentions to attack Afghanistan.

Also, Ted Rall had a lot to say about the pipeline if I recall.

What a show it will be if this snowballs...
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Tapirlover Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:59 PM
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14. karl
Oh..It will snowball...........................................
www.whatreallyhappened.com
www.rense.com
www.smirkingchimp.com
www.onlinejournal.com
www.rbnlive.com
www.meria.net
www.democrats.com
Just do a google for "karl schwarz truth"....it is expoding
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 04:02 PM
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15. Welcome to DU, semillama!
Sorry I gave you a lot to digest, there's quite a number of great KWBS posts I left out! I'm curious about your friend. Where was he doing the cave clearing missions? Do you know how extensive the operation was?

You're right about Ted Rall. Here's a good story he wrote just a month after 9/11:

http://www.alternet.org/story/11692

The New Great Game: Oil Politics in Central Asia

By Ted Rall, AlterNet. Posted October 11, 2001.


The shortest route for a pipeline from oil-rich Kazakhstan out to sea would be through Afghanistan, which is why the U.S. is set on toppling the Taliban regime, argues this author.

Nursultan Nazarbayev has a terrible problem. He's the president and former Communist Party boss of Kazakhstan, the second-largest republic of the former Soviet Union. A few years ago, the giant country struck oil in the eastern portion of the Caspian Sea. Geologists estimate that sitting beneath the wind-blown steppes of Kazakhstan are 50 billion barrels of oil -- by far the biggest untapped reserves in the world. (Saudi Arabia, currently the world's largest oil producer, is believed to have about 30 billion barrels remaining.)

Kazakhstan's Soviet-subsidized economy collapsed immediately after independence in 1991. When I visited the then-capital, Almaty, in 1997, I was struck by the utter absence of elderly people. One after another, people confided that their parents had died of malnutrition during the brutal winters of 1993 and 1994. Middle-class residents of a superpower had been reduced to abject poverty virtually overnight; thirtysomething women who appeared sixtysomething hocked their wedding silver in underpasses next to reps for the Kazakh state art museum trying to move enough socialist realist paintings for a dollar each to keep the lights on. The average Kazakh earned $20 a month; those unwilling or unable to steal died of gangrene adjacent to long-winded tales of woe written on cardboard.

Autocrats tend to die badly during periods of downward mobility. Nazarbayev, therefore, has spent most of the last decade trying to get his land-locked oil out to sea. Once the oil starts flowing, it won't take long before Kazakhstan replaces Kuwait as the land of Benzes and ugly gold jewelry. But the longer the pipeline, the more expensive and vulnerable to sabotage it is. The shortest route runs through Iran, but Kazakhstan is too closely aligned with the U.S. to offend it by cutting a deal with Teheran. Russia has helpfully offered to build a line connecting Kazakh oil rigs to the Black Sea, but neighboring Turkmenistan has experienced trouble with the Russians: they tend to divert the oil for their own uses without paying for it. There's even a plan to run crude out through China, but the proposed 5,300-mile line would be far too long to prove profitable.

more...
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 04:45 PM
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20. Thank you RobertPaulson
You did a really great job of summarizing pertinent parts! It would have been hard for others to follow had you not done this.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:55 PM
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23. Thanks TNOE! Here's some more KWBS highlights from the first thread:
KWBS (45 posts) Tue Oct-19-04 01:28 AM
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124. RightMarch backing Bush 100%


sooooo, I could not let that stand without pointing them in the right direction.

As the Bible says, be wary of the stiff necked people.

They are blind and know not what they do.


-----Original Message-----
From: Karl W. B. Schwarz <mailto:kw.schwarz@worldnet.att.net >
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 12:48 PM
To: rightmarch@rightmarch.com
Subject: see link


Pastors who blindly lead their flock into fascism need to go back and ask God what to do.

http://smirkingchimp.com/article.php?sid=18312

If you were my pastor, I would not follow you to fascism.

Think it over gentlemen, ladies.

Our government did 9-11 for over $10 trillion in oil and gas. My heart says God is not pleased with such greed and lies. James 3 says it all about lies.

regards,


This battle is on all fronts ladies & gentlemen

Karl

KWBS (45 posts) Tue Oct-19-04 01:42 AM
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127. Part of OCTOBER SURPRISE is surfacing


Three elements, 1.) inside the White House, and 2.) from Las Vegas, and 3.) from another trail we have been on for over 3 years, as to WHY these people are so "blackmail-able" in our nation's capitol.


HEADS UP,

we gave RightMarch a heads up, wake up call. (isn't it odd that it rhymes with "REICHMARCH"???????)

This is a glimpse of the October surprise.



-----Original Message-----
From: Karl W. B. Schwarz <mailto:kw.schwarz@worldnet.att.net >
Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2004 12:48 PM
To: rightmarch@rightmarch.com
Subject: head ups and wake up


You folks need to wake up. Fascism is not Patriotism.


http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Repor...404schwarz...

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Repor...204schwarz...

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Repor...404schwarz...


There is a lot more riding on this election than your "pet ists and isms".

I am a devout Christian, directly involved in key technologies, military, intel, nanotech, and this nation is being sold out and led down the wrong path.

Hold off on your religious zeal until you read the piece on OnlineJournal.com.

I do not think you want to be caught being 100% behind a pedophile ring in DC. By the way, Mr. Fund offered to settle the same day my piece hit Oct 14. No way, the Neocon gets exposed and to trial.

sincerely





Karl

KWBS (45 posts) Tue Oct-19-04 01:44 AM
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128. FROM THE WHITE HOUSE MOLE



HEADS UP




Voice of the White House

In recent past issues, we have carried comments from a reporter assigned to the White House press corps. Some of these remarks, most especially one about Bush’s physical and mental problems, drew an enormous number of viewers and hundreds of inquiries, most especially from foreign press entities. The reporter advised us by email that there was rampant fury in the White House and security was becoming very tight. As a result of this, he decided to lay low for a few weeks and see how the wind was blowing. Yesterday, he sent us the following material which we are now posting. Some of it is outrageous in the extreme but to date, no one has proven him wrong. Our source was the first to expose and we were the first to make public, the accusations that the President of the United States was a man that suffered from serious psychological problems. Since our initial publication of what we call the Madness of King George, there has been increasing interest in the subject and herewith, we present additional input from inside the White House.

October 15, 2004: “ The last material I sent you, about a pending war, is causing pandemonium inside the Monkey Palace. They have been looking for the leaks for months now and we have the Secret Service, the FBI and Homeland Security all involved at one level or another. Phones are being watched, laptops searched physically, in some cases we have seen staff taking lie detector tests and over all of this, threats of arrest and imprisonment for violating National Security! I will have more for you tomorrow on the possibility/probability of military action against Iran but in the meantime, here is a juicy bit for you. For the present, no names but they will follow. Seems a former White House aide, (Reagan White House) was caught running a male prostitution service and got fired from the Monkey Palace, and later from the RNC for supplying muscular boy toys to some top Beltway gays. Well, after being fired, our bozo got together with a Muslim druggie and set up operations at the Kennedy-Warren, a landmark DC apartment/business complex. They ran a male escort service supplying young studs to older Beltway citizens. Among these citizens were: Federal judges, top political figures, mostly Republican, very senior military people and certainly members of Congress. The head of this service, that utilized credit cards for payment, supplied young men, mostly young servicemen, between 18 to 25 for sex. They kept very complete records, including names and address of the johns as well as credit card receipts. And later there was blackmail and now, I have learned from the inside, this joker has sold the lists to: Iranians( through his partner’s Arab connections) and a gay group in DC. Sold the lists twice and got twice the money. I have seen a partial list and it reads like the DC social register, believe me! This enterprising young man is very liable to end up at the bottom of the Potomac River just like ex-CIA chief Bill Colby who was terminated by his former employees because he just couldn’t keep his mouth shut about certain things. I won’t have old Bill’s problem because I am not a Princeton man and even you don’t know who I am. You had the intestinal fortitude to print the material about the planned Iranian attack and maybe you will do the same with this one. I know a number of people inside the Beltway read your site…and loathe you…and if they read this and are closet queens, the sale of dignity pants will soar in the next few weeks. My, my, such lovely names! The Washington Times did a front page story on this joker some time back, by the way, but no one dared to touch him because of what, and whom, he knew…and serviced…”



stay tuned, two more avenues of this, from me and from Las Vegas.


it does involve CHILDREN


Karl

KWBS (45 posts) Tue Oct-19-04 02:05 AM
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135. PROJECT BIOSHIELD


Signed into law during the summer.

When combined with the un-PATRIOT-ic Act, can force that deadly vaccine on all of us. That might be why Bush is not concerned about those jobs lost. Give that to all Americans, 2-3 million could be dead or completely out of the job market.

The Liberals have been bitching about Bush. You ought to be in the faces of the Liberals that have rolled over for this, but then - you are about to find out why they roll over,

figuratively and literally.

I have been all over the Far Right Christians for being so damned blind. Bush will have them tithing BIG OIL before they are finished and not their church.

Karl

RedEagle (1000+ posts) Tue Oct-19-04 04:08 AM
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152. They never followed the money on 9-11


What do you think of Dan's work here? This is the type of analysis that should have happened right away:


White House Memo Leads to Sept. 11th Money Trail
By Dan Spillane and Audrey Mantey, The Liberty Whistle
-At least five normally independent indicators moved in sync after Bush warned
-On Sept. 10th, instead of US citizens getting a warning, Halliburton got a contract

(10/6 UPDATE includes new Must see! MONEY TRAIL TO WHITE HOUSE GRAPHIC; click HERE .)

(SEATTLE) 09/30/04 - A series of new findings brings into doubt Bush Administration claims regarding September 11th, and shows the work of the 9-11 Commission is incomplete. According to what Bush told the public, and as documented in the 9-11 report, an August 6th 2001 memo delivered to the White House warned of imminent attacks (“Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US”)--but was described as “historical in nature,” and thus was essentially ignored by the White House. (1) Therefore, as far as the public knows, no actions were taken based on the memo.

It’s not as if the US hasn’t been looking for unusual pre-9-11 actions. In fact, the official 9-11 report examined stock trading before the attacks, and concluded with some degree of confidence that there weren’t profits taken based on information before the attacks. Unfortunately, the 9-11 report provides no details on how such analysis was done--and importantly, the report makes no mention of analyzing events in terms of the August 6th White House memo. In short, the 9-11 commission tried to find “needles in haystacks.”

Indeed, then it should be of no surprise that a comparison of trading specifically before and after August 6th, in terms of a number of normally independent indicators reveals more information, and illustrates an interesting and hitherto undiscovered convergence around the August 6th date. Incredibly, in this light, a major shift is visible in both market indicators, and in business announcements subsequent to the supposedly “ignored” warning memo.

Take for example, the stock of Halliburton Corporation, known so well for its association with US Vice President Dick Cheney. It plummeted on high volume immediately after the memo--previously having closely followed its own sector up until August 6th. Moreover, this divergence was punctuated not only by the date of August 6th, but was also underscored by a September 10th 2001 contract award to Halliburton. Astonishingly, on September 10th, 2001, the news read “Halliburton Unit Picked to Participate in Program to Reduce Threat of Weapons Of Mass Destruction.” (Source: Halliburton)

Click here to read about Sep 10, 2001 Halliburton WMD project award

But the September 11th “clairvoyance” didn’t stop at Halliburton. After the memo, signs began bleeding into the stock market at large. The stock market volatility index (the “VIX”), a measure of market fear, suddenly shot up after the August 6th memo. By September 10th 2001, the VIX index sharply spiked up forty-five percent--to a level in line with the Asian financial crisis. Yet, in the Asian crisis case, news of disaster was already out in the open, which contrasts sharply with environment of September 10th, 2001--when bad news wasn’t out. Remarkably, then, it’s fair to conclude certain stock market investors knew a crisis was going to happen--the day before. In effect, the VIX, while normally independent of Halliburton stock, suddenly moved in lockstep with Halliburton.

Next, in line with the spike in the VIX, yet another indicator foretold September 11th. The put/call stock options ratio--a measure of sophisticated investors betting on a market fall--peaked twice, to a level over one. First, the ratio peaked for the very options transition period immediately after the White House memo, and before September 11th (which crested on August 17th) and next, it peaked on September 10th, the day before the strike. Once again, the put/call ratio moves correspond with Halliburton steps and the August 6th and September 10th dates. Finally, at least one close associate of Mr. Cheney made a business move on September 10th.

What’s incredible is how many signs point to the fact that the White House knew about September 11th in advance, and leaked. Clearly, not one but at least five pieces of evidence exist. The evidence of the unusual stock pattern of Halliburton after the White House warning memo, the special advance timing of the Halliburton WMD contract, the VIX and put/call indicators, and more, showed the White House leaked the September 11th warning to a select few. But alas, no real actions were taken to defend the American people. No, instead, actions were taken to defend Halliburton stockholders and a select few, and further, to enhance their profits.

The simplified charts below show how Halliburton stock turned on high volume when the memo hit the White House; the memo is illustrated by the line bisecting the graphs.

A large, comprehensive graphic is shown, illustrating all the patterns converging around the August 6th memo:

Click here for LARGE CHART showing MONEY TRAIL TO WHITE HOUSE

Footnotes: 1) “The President told us the August 6 report was historical in nature.” (9-11 report, chapter 8)

(Dan Spillane is a computer scientist living in Seattle, Washington, who also studies economics, pure science, and politics. Working with Bev Harris in 2002 and early 2003, he exposed problems related to electronic voting systems certification and Diebold; this set the stage for discussion of the issue at the national level.)

(Audrey Mantey is an instructor at an arts academy in Michigan. She worked in US military intelligence/counterintelligence for over a decade.)


www.libertywhistle.us




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KWBS (45 posts) Tue Oct-19-04 11:24 AM
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195. They never followed the money because


8 of the 10 9-11 Commissioners are directly or indirectly benefiting from Bush War policy and Bush Energy policy.

What is 3,000 dead compared to $10 trillion in deals to do?

They were playing Where's Waldo? Didn't you get the memo?

We need more "undermining of American freedoms" because sooner or later America is going to figure it out and is going to come after their greedy sorry asses.

Karl



KWBS (45 posts) Tue Oct-19-04 04:24 AM
Response to Original message

157. Sure fire way to tell when someone's balls


are in a vise.

Have only received 3 hate emails in past 30 days and well over 10,000 from Liberals, moderates, Libertarians and Conservatives.

This just showed up at 11:20pm at night. Burning midnight oil on the East Coast:


-----Original Message-----
From: Karl W. B. Schwarz <mailto:kw.schwarz@worldnet.att.net >
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 11:20 PM
To: AmericanPatriot
Subject: RE: You're Nothing But A Liar


Keep that thought as the Truth escalates over the coming days.

I keep my companies very private, for freaks like you.

Patmos is quite real, domiciled in Arkansas, plant is elsewhere.

sorry to burst your bubble

Karl
-----Original Message-----
From: AmericanPatriot <mailto:americanpatriot2004@yahoo.com >
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2004 9:37 PM
To: kw.schwarz@worldnet.att.net
Subject: You're Nothing But A Liar


We're onto you and we're going to reveal you for the fraud you actually are. You companies you claim to be part of aren't even real. You're nothing but a crazy nutcase liberal spreading a bunch of bs conspiracy theories. The whole conservative community is going to reaveal all of your lies and reveal you for the fraud you actually are. We're going to show that all of these Kerry supporters are just as crazy as you are and make absolutely sure Kerry has no chance of reelection. I've posted on several forums and we're all working on it as we speak.

http://www.freeconservatives.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15...
http://celiberal.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=7731
http://p209.ezboard.com/ftrueconservatismfrm2.showMessa...
http://p089.ezboard.com/famericanconservativefrm1.showM...
http://p222.ezboard.com/fconservativeweeklyfrm2.showMes...

PABAAH is also involved. We're going to boycott your stupid book and make sure it never reaches the newsstands. Slander and lies against our president will not be tolerated by consumers.



such attacks only come from scared people

KWBS (45 posts) Tue Oct-19-04 11:20 AM
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194. They have many plans


1. Limited nuclear wars?

**We still have the Kissinger, Brezinski, Rumsfeld crowd that wants big defense and with Russia off the map, no acknowledgment that the PRC is probably the biggest threat to resource competition and military aims, they needed a "scapegoat" - so we get a GWOT. About as bogus as anything DC has ever dreamed up.

Remember the words of Rockefeller and Kissinger:

“We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
- David Rockefeller

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful. This is especially true if they were told there's an outside threat from beyond whether real or promulgated that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."
- Henry Kissinger

Those are two babbling fools well positioned to do well as others are plundered or sacrificed.

These morons think they can swing out the nukes to pave the way, but they fail to realize that from such "TERRORISM" people will fight back and fight them all the way.


2. Genetically specific diseases?

""That is a CBW program that has been in the works for years. From any technology there is the potential for good and evil. Carbon nanotubes can be used for either and some plan to use them for evil. We have seen as well as anyone what they are capable of doing. For example, developed a nanosensor for a federal agency, they declined to procure. We are commercializing it. Has many uses that are good, but some that would not be. Sort of like cloning, comes down to an ethics issue and whether one stand for good or will do evil.

There is a RFP out called "CNT Decontamination" that is not about decontaminating Carbon Nanotubes. It is about creating anti-CBW, anti-dirty bomb CNT systems that bond with the free floating particles. Not even sure we are going to compete for the contract - it takes volume and purity - both of which we will soon have as machines come online - but it is the thought of what our government has a propensity to do.

We learned about CNT DECON from the NCTR, National Center for Toxological Research, Whitehall, AR.

When was the last time you saw DC do something that was not a travesty, a charade, a scam, an act of despicable conduct? Been a while, has it not?

3. External "resource" wars which never touch our shores?

**The Caspian Basin is all about not letting China control the world oil dynamic.

4. Control & privatization of the world's water supply?

**That is in process, including in Iraq privatization deals that are infuriating the Iraqis.

5. Accelerating & enabling external conflicts such as Pakistan-India?

**Or Africa, or South America, or any place the Neocons do not call home - or any country unlucky enough to have oil or other strategic resources.


6. Economic Darwinism, rationalizing outright mass famine & starvation?

**that is already in progress. The recent $1 trillion transfer of wealth scam (and no rule of law from DC) is a good one to point at. What has happend over the past 4 years has put many families under, drained their savings, their backs are against the wall or INTO the wall. That is exactly what some want.


Depressing stuff, but unfortunately on their program.

**Yes, it is but it is always darkest before the dawn.

**There is an awakening in progress right now and millions are seeing clearly what they could not see before.


KWBS (45 posts) Tue Oct-19-04 12:47 PM
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199. From the KERRY FORUM developing NEWS





KWBS

I trust you caught my earlier post regarding Andy Fastow, being involved in two prior scams named Penn Central and that cratered Continental Illinois Bank. Andy learned his "SPE" skills from Milken and others and was hired by Enron because he did so well at hiding stuff at Continental Illinois.

Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw (Richard ben Veniste's law firm and him on the 9-11 Commission) prides themselves in offshore SPEs to circumvent US law, hide assets, offshore games, SPEs, etc and was the major law firm representing ENRON. Probably are still representing Cayman Islands based Prisma Energy International.

If you look under http://www.prismaenergy.com / - "Corporate Governance" - there are many former Enron Intl and Halliburton. This is an excellent example of the "hired help" stealing the company from its owners . Feel free to pass that on to any "screwed over Enron folks" of which there are many.

Karl






Thanks, actually the press has been pretty good here about keeping tabs on the Enron(s), but some of that is definately newsworthy. Still unbelievable sometimes.






Since I invest in the stock market, I get financial news on certain companies since this can drive stock prices. This is another layer in the thickening plot.


http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories....02260384&EDATE=

"FOLSOM, Calif., Sept. 28 /PRNewswire/ -- Jadoo Power Systems, Inc (Jadoo),
a leading provider of portable power products, was awarded a contract to
develop power systems for the US Special Operations Command (SOCOM). The
program's goal is to reduce the weight of energy storage carried in the field
by the Special Forces....."

While the award of a gov't contract is not always newsworthy, a closer look reveals this:
http://www.jadoopower.com/investor.html
"Jadoo Power Systems, Inc. (Jadoo) is a market-focused company that has developed next-generation portable energy storage and power generation products. Jadoo is a privately-held company with individual and organizational investors."

The two investors listed are:
1. Sinclair Ventures: a wholly owned subsidiary of Sinclair Broadcast Group, Inc. and
2. Contango Capital Management: formed to bring capital to innovative entrepreneurs who are working hard to answer the energy challenges facing our world today and in the near future.

We know who Sinclair is (Stolen Honor), but check out where some Enron and Harvard Business School people now work:
Contango Capital Partners - look at John Berger's "resume"
http://www.contangocapital.com/team/jberger.html

Karl,

Am I getting closer to one end of this spectrum?

~D







YES, you are. On anything you see coming out of DC first ID two things - the influence pimp behind it and who they are doing it for.

This is NEWS WORTHY what you just posted but try to get them to focus on that ball. The KERRY RESEARCH PEOPLE should put this in America's face LIKE TODAY and keep hitting that. Sinclair is after KERRY, FINE - SHOOT BACK AND SHOOT TO KILL.

Second - think of DC as a Mercedes Benz ornament / symbol. One tip is the influence pimps. The second is the "deal trigger" such as what happened with Sinclair above - who benefits, follow the money. They can bully, buy or blackmail themselves into millions, billions or more. The third - a "bend over to get power" bisexual ring that automatically co-opts the "receivee", those that co-opt for cause to keep certain parties IN LINE, and the group that is so preverse they have rings that deliver children to the predators in DC for pedophilia like one would deliver food fish to an aquarium. You would not believe what some in our capitol do to children, and then hold themselves up as "PRO-FAMILY" or our GREAT LEADERS.

Third - think of a media that covers this all up, for they are part of the sleaze too in many instances.

NOW, you cited Mr. Berger. GOOD DUE DILIGENCE.


John Berger
Managing Partner
Contango Capital Partners
Mr. Berger is a founding partner of the General Partner and its Managing Partner. Mr. Berger has over eight years of experience in the energy industry, during which he managed energy trading books for Enron Corporation and initiated development of the new Enron Premium Power Division. As a Manager, he made the previously unprofitable southeast short term trading operation for the Enron East Power Trading Division profitable by approximately $30 million over a two year period. Under his management, the southeast short term trading operation successfully administered the largest long-term customer deal in the industry, and increased the average daily volume in the southeast trading hub by ten times the former volume. Mr. Berger also managed the Enron Hourly Trading Desk, and operated a utility system in the southeastern United States. At Enron Energy Services he led and developed Enron's corporate strategy for new energy technologies and energy reliability financial products. In addition, Mr. Berger spearheaded development, investment, and partnership opportunities in fuel cell technologies.

that is the EXACT division of Enron that was plundering the State of California, both Enron and El Paso execs have pled guilty to CRIMINAL CHARGES and Mr. Berger gets to go out and do more deals. CRIMINAL CHARGES are pending against DYNEGY.

Guess what - Enron, Dynegy, El Paso are ALL INVOLVED in Pakistan and the Caspian Basin.

Of course, he worked under Thomas White, vice chairman of that division that was promoted by BUSH to Secretary of the Army during the period of time that BUSH & Co were planning and practicing the ASSAULT on Afghanistan and BRIDAS CORPORATION and take over that Afghanistan pipeline.

GET IT?

Criminal charges were pending, and NOW CONFIRMED with an Enron exec pleading guilty in California and El Paso too.

What an easy way to co-opt someone into doing evil. CRIMINAL CHARGES - that up and vanish against all but an unlucky fall guy.

Go AN INCH DEEPER

WHO WAS REPRESENTING Gov GRAY DAVIS WHILE ALL OF THIS WAS SPINNING UP TO THE TORNADO IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN???????

From Chapter 13::

Footnote 689:
http://www.sacbee.com/static/archive/news/...80401data.htmlMeanwhile, Joseph Fichera and Michael Hoffman, two Davis administration advisers who had been criticized for failing to disclose energy-related stock holdings, sent letters to Davis on Friday saying they owned no stock in firms involved in providing power to the state.

Footnote 693:
http://www.ss.ca.gov/executive/press_relea...ctors_grid.pdfSpecial Consultants to Gov.; Name Agreement Date Service Term Date SEI Signed Notes Richard Ferreira 1/30/01 1/31/01 to 12/31/02 7/10/01 A-1 assets listed; $2k-$10k Calpine acquired 8/17/00; address redacted
Joseph Fichera - Saber Partners 3/1/01 3/1/01 to 6/30/01 exemption 1 negotiated transmission line deal; commission contract
** Kevin Stacey (director)
** William Moore (director)
** Paul Sutherland (director)
** Alan Blinder (advisory board chair)
Michael Hoffman - Blackstone Group 3/1/01 3/1/01 to 6/30/01 exemption 1 negotiated transmission line deal; commission contract
** Peter Peterson (chairman)
** Stephen Schwarzman (pres & ceo)
** Michael Puglisi (cfo)
** 15 staff working on the deal


Now, did you catch my earlier post as to why I call Blackstone - BLACKROT?


Doncha just love the spin "Jadoo is a "market-focused company."

WOW!


Karl


Take this and the next one and get it to your LOCAL NEWS PAPERS AND RADIO STATIONS.












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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 03:54 PM
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13. Was WTC7 bombed? For comparison, here's Caracas.
This was a 56 story building that was on fire for 17 hours and did not collapse.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/18/world/main649824.shtml

WTC 7 was practically the same height, had small sporadic fires for about 8 hours, then collapsed if you believe the 9/11 Commission.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 04:13 PM
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16. Kicking!!!
:kick:
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 04:19 PM
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17. Karl's new story about John Fund is on Online Journal!
WOW! And we thought Billy O'Really was strange!

A Christian Republican asks: How can we follow these hypocrites?

Snip>

William Bennett

She, too, pretty well put me on the floor when she came back with details of who she is, what her role was in the "secret life" of Mr. Bennett and what her book is disclosing. She is a domina (dominatrix to most of us) and professional body builder and one of her "bad boy clients" was Mr. William Bennett. It was her job to punish him for his sins of what he had put forth on America. Many times that was after long bouts of heavy gambling and heavy drinking.

I was not sure whether to believe her or not until a doorman from a Las Vegas casino called me to verify that he has seen Mr. Bennett with this particular woman on multiple occasions.

Snip>

David Dreier, R-CA

This same domina shared with this writer that she is aware that Mr. Dreier is a bisexual and she had made certain arrangements for him. Darn, just when I see him take the Republican lock-step positions on pro-family, pro-marriage amendment, and otherwise put himself forth as something he apparently is not. She seems to be really "in" with bisexual males and "punishing them" as the hypocrites that they are when they profess otherwise. She says she has "spanked a lot of powerful butts" but is only outing the hypocrites among that group.

She emailed me with this information:

I'm going to out davey boy dreier (r-ca) myself in my book (he's bisexual btw, not homosexual, well last time I knew—sexuality is like everything else, it evolves). I'm not outing him for being bisexual I'm outing him cause he's a f***ing hypocrite.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/101404Schwarz/101404schwarz.html

Got Wood?
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johnfunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 06:58 PM
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26. John Fund makes O'Reilly look like Norman Vincent Peale
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 06:59 PM by johnfunk
I believe the reports that he's a violent little shit, an abuser who belongs in a correctional institution, not the Manhattan Institute.

ON EDIT: Spelling.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:24 PM
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29. Bennett does need to be punished for his sins, but not like that.
Very interesting read especially about Fund and Cheney. Makes me wonder if Fund had any part in the serpentine links we uncovered in the Plame Threads. I'll have to double-check to see if he had any role in the laundering.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:36 PM
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31. Bennett is a HYPOCRIT
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 07:39 PM by BeHereNow
of the highest order.
That John Fund story made the hair on my neck stand up.
I wonder if Karl will report back to us about the deposition
scheduled for today- I am dying to hear what happened
with the not so fun, Fund.
Just thinking about what he did to that woman
gives me chills- HOW could anyone be so inhuman to another
human- STILL bleeding months after the beating?
It's a wonder he did not kill her.
BHN
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 04:37 PM
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18. Kick!
:kick:
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 04:42 PM
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19. News item related to point 28.....
MSNBC, about an hour ago, was interviewing an expert who pointed out that the vaccine given to troops is potentially dangerous and may contain traces of Sarin. Clinical tests on soldiers given the vaccine have consistently disagreed with statements made by the administration. He urged soldiers and parents of soldiers to write letters to congresspeople demanding the truth, and to push this issue up the ranks.
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PissedOffPollyana Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:06 PM
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21. That's not the half of it with the mandatory vaccines
Drs. Garth & Linda Nicholson along with Dr. Meryl Nass have found some very shocking aspects of the mandatory jabs our "leaders" have compelled our troops to subject themselves to. Here is just a taste of the information leading to the awful possibility that our soldiers may have, once again, been treated as human guinea pigs. This is yet another example of how much our "leaders" actually support our troops *tongue firmly in cheek*.

I am looking forward to reading the rest of the information linked from this thread. It's going to be a scary day, I can tell.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:44 PM
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22. Nazi Techniques
KICKING - hope this is still front page news tomorrow morning!
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:18 PM
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28. That is TERRIBLE!
I just read your link; I had not seen all of that information yet.
HOW DID THEY GET AWAY WITH THIS?
BHN
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PissedOffPollyana Donating Member (258 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 09:07 PM
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83. First, get a pliant media...
Seriously, this is a story with tentacles that reach everywhere. If you follow many of these stories through respectable sources, you will find eerie common players and a connectedness that will make you want to scream in terror. Too many links between all the other unsolved mysteries and unreported stories behind the stories.

I researched the mandatory vaccines for days at a time and, as a result, you couldn't pay me enough to put anything produced by pharma into my body. I'll take my chances with with good health, good diet and preventative maintenance!

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:58 PM
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35. Vaccine A is a story of betrayal


The worst friendly-fire incident in military history was not caused by a bomber pilot's navigational error or a poorly targeted artillery bombardment. It came from something no soldier had any reason to think would harm him: a vaccine administered by the military's own medics. When troops went to the Middle East to fight the Gulf War in 1991 and the Iraq War in 2003, they were immunized with the only FDA-approved anthrax vaccine in existence — at least they were supposed to be. A number of them, perhaps thousands, received an experimental vaccine instead. Without their knowledge or consent, they were used as human guinea pigs in a massive medical experiment. An experiment that went disastrously wrong.

In Vaccine A, veteran journalist Gary Matsumoto combines masterly narrative with a deep understanding of the history and science to explain just what went wrong, and why. He shows how the Pentagon suddenly, in 1978, became aware that its moribund biodefense program needed to be kicked into high gear; how the military tried to develop an anthrax vaccine of unsurpassed safety and purity; how military scientists gradually learned that their new vaccine, though pure, was also ineffective; and how, to boost its effectiveness, they added an "adjuvant," an oil called squalene, to stimulate the immune system. What they didn't know, but should have known, is that squalene causes autoimmune diseases: chronic and even life-threatening diseases like lupus erythematosus, crippling arthritis, and multiple sclerosis. This is the stuff that military doctors secretly injected into Army, Navy, and Air Force personnel.

Matsumoto introduces you to the victims of this experiment: an Army sergeant whose skin became so diseased that doctors, in a desperate attempt to cure him, removed every square inch of skin from his body; another whose cerebellum literally shrank until he could no longer walk straight or write his name; a Green Beret colonel, a fitness fanatic and orienteering expert, who began to suffer walking blackouts that left him unable to find his way home; and many others. The Green Beret, who had a textbook case of lupus, was misdiagnosed for years and even accused of bleeding himself to distort his laboratory tests. Others were told they had psychiatric disorders or accused of malingering. Matsumoto introduces you to the doctors, Pamela and Kevin Asa, who uncovered the truth about these illnesses, and tells how they had to fight through Pentagon and National Institutes of Health stonewalling to do it. Finally, Matsumoto warns you of what is about to happen: the military, the vaccine's manufacturer, and the Department of Health and Human Services all refuse to admit that any experiment took place or that they are responsible for its devastating effects. Instead, they injected the same anthrax vaccine into Iraq War soldiers, and they are about to release vaccines with the same formulation for use in civilians. If these vaccines ever become widely used, the result will be a man-made epidemic of unprecedented size.

Vaccine A is a story of betrayal — betrayal of some of America's finest citizens, the men and women who serve in the armed forces; betrayal of most fundamental rules of medical ethics; and betrayal of the basic duty of military and civilian leaders to protect the people they govern.

http://www.militaryink.com/books/2004/october/046504400X.htm
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 11:04 AM
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91. So...this is the reason why the story
break out of flu vaccine shortage, I can see the link now. They are really trying to wipe certain faction of the public out.

This is blatant eradication, right in front of our eyes.


Look at the pandemonium being caused by this lie, people really do not have any idea whatsoever. I'm glad I found DU, I'll make sure that the people I know do not go for shot.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 05:59 PM
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24. Hey KWBS, GoreN4 has something for you to review!
GoreN4 (518 posts) Tue Oct-19-04 07:19 PM
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225. KWBS - Please review - Analysis of Iran (& relates to Iraq).....

Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 07:20 PM by GoreN4
Karl,
First, I commend you for your patriotism and courage. You are doing good work. I would add one more important dynamic to the global issues - the petrodollar vs petroeuro issues and competition for World Reserve currency status. Here's one recent essay for consideration, and below is the original essay below.

I hope you find this info useful. Keep up the good work.

1) The Real Reasons Why Iran is the Next Target (Sept. 2004)
http://la.indymedia.org/news/2004/10/117624.php

Summary:
The Iranians are about to commit an offense far greater than Saddam Hussein's conversion to the euro for his oil exports back in the fall of 2000. In March 2005 Iran is going to start competing with New York's NYMEX and London's IPE with respect to international oil trades - using a euro-based international oil-trading mechanism. Numerous articles have revealed Pentagon planning for operations against Iran in 2005. The publicly stated reasons will be over Iran's nuclear ambitions, but the following unspoken macroeconomic issues explain the Real Reasons regarding the 2nd stage of petrodollar warfare - Iran's upcoming euro-denominated oil Bourse.


2) Revisited - The Real Reasons for the Upcoming War With Iraq:
A Macroeconomic and Geostrategic Analysis of the Unspoken Truth (Jan 2003, updated Jan 2004)
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html

Summary:
Although completely unreported by the U.S. media and government, the answer to the Iraq enigma is simple yet shocking -- it is in large part an oil currency war. One of the core reasons for this upcoming war is this administration's goal of preventing further Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) momentum towards the euro as an oil transaction currency standard. However, in order to pre-empt OPEC, they need to gain geo-strategic control of Iraq along with its 2nd largest proven oil reserves. The second coalescing factor that is driving the Iraq war is the quiet acknowledgement by respected oil geologists and possibly this administration is the impending phenomenon known as Global "Peak Oil." This is projected to occur around 2010, with Iraq and Saudi Arabia being the final two nations to reach peak oil production.

The issue of Peak Oil has been added to the scope of this essay, along with the macroeconomics of `petrodollar recycling' and the unpublicized but genuine challenge to U.S. dollar hegemony from the euro as an alternative oil transaction currency. The author advocates graduated reform of the global monetary system including a dollar/euro currency `trading band' with reserve status parity, a dual OPEC oil transaction standard, and multilateral treaties via the UN regarding energy reform. Such reforms could potentially reduce future oil currency and oil warfare. The essay ends with a reflection and critique of current US economic and foreign policies. What happens in the 2004 US elections will have a large impact on the 21st century.



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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 06:50 PM
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25. Kick!
Thanks for keeping the thread going guys-
hopefully Karl will return to add more-
I let him know we had started a new one- that
the other was goeeting too hard for many too load.
Between H20 man's Plame thread and this as well as
ALL the info in the archives, I think we have a very strong case.
BHN
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:51 PM
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33. I just sent crossfire an email


telling them that Jon Stewart was right and when it came right down to it they were just a bunch of high paid corporate/political hacks and shills. I then told them if they were really interested in informing the public as to what's going on they would have guests like Mike Ruppert, Daniel Hopsicker and Karl W. Schultz on their show. I briefly highlighted some of the recent work of the above 3 gentlemen and pointed them to the first Schultz thread at DU. Just figured it won't hurt to let them know that the news is breaking out all over that the role of the corporate media is to provide the spin and the smoke and mirrors used to hide the truth, not to probe into the dark corners and bring the truth to light.


http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form5.html?7
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:59 PM
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36. Good on you!
Only one small correction:
It is Karl Schwarz, not Schultz.
Otherwise, great email to Cross-chucker-fire though!
BHN
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:50 PM
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42. DOH !!!!!!!! Sorry Karl. n/t
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 08:52 PM
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113. Iran and EURO
Iraq pegged to Euro and look what happened to them

Venezuela pegged to Euro and look at what Bush tried to do so Chavez

Iran would be stupid to do that because it gives more reason for Bush to attack them.

Oil and dollar have to stay pegged or we have an economic meltdown here, 30+ unemployment.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:34 PM
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30. Kickin' for the flames!
:kick:
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:48 PM
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32. I'll help you...
I am going to leave to go to the gym,
but I'll be back...
Thanks RP
Hopefully Karl will return and tell us what happened
with the Fund deposition today!
BHN
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 07:53 PM
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34. I see no reason to doubt ...
a man making factual assertions ....

These arent lies: hence the person making the statements is not a liar ...
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Kolokefalo Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 08:09 PM
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37. I have one question for Mr. Shwarz
I am a first generation Greek born in the United States and I noticed something glaring at me in your letter to the President. The name of your corporation is Patmos. This is also the name of the Greek island which the Apostle John was exiled to and the same place he received the revelation from God which eventually came to be called "The Book of Revelations". Is this mere coincidence? Just seems a little odd.
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 07:59 AM
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55. It is REVELATIONS
in Nanotechnology. We control a major breakthrough in Nanotech. In carbon nanotubes (CNTs) which are a building block.

Extreme high purity (>95% to >99.5%) is required for the science to work and produce in high volumes. We are there.

Extreme high morphology (integrity of the CNTs) is needed for the science to work. We have that too.

Very soon a new machine is going into production and thousands will be made for Patmos and a partner we have not disclosed yet. Those first 250 machines will be cranking out $4 billion a year in CNTs, but we will only be selling a small part to competitors or customers that only want and need the high purity CNTs.

Most of what we produce will be going into secondary products, some are akin to Star Wars type technology breakthroughs. Things like cancer, autoimmune, HHV-6, HIV, nanosensors, new materials, hydrogen fuel cells, and more.

That is the REVELATIONS. What is possible that would change this world.

Nanotech is the next step in the evolution of our science and technology. We have no peer that we have found.

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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:07 PM
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38. Another kick
to hear more of what has been going through my head for too long.

Please stay safe, Karl.
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Bundbuster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:31 PM
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39. Stay focused on this, Karl & DU
As some here have said, it's easy to feel overwhelmed by such heady and heavy "bombs," but this is the real grist of the neocons' endgame.

If you do feel overwhelmed and/or "shocked," bite off a little at a time, but continue to come back and digest. This is no time to back off or recede into illusionary comfort zones. That's exactly what happened in the early Reagan/Dominionist years, and look at where it's lead us to now.

There is NOTHING I'd rather see than veteran hardcore neocons toppling one by one, like so many bowling pins.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:34 PM
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40. Info on Bridas Corporation:

Volume 2, issue #22 - 20-10-1997


sponsored by:


Amoco and Bridas in strategic alliance in Southern Cone

Sept. 5, 1997 Amoco Argentina Oil Company and Bridas Corporation announced today their strategic alliance in the Southern Cone of South America.
The new energy company with its strategic holdings in key oil and natural gas basins will be well positioned for significant growth across the energy sector in the Southern Cone region (Argentina, Bolivia, Brazil, Chile, Paraguay, Peru and Uruguay).
The diversified enterprise will be formed, pending definitive agreements, by contributing the respective assets of Amoco and Bridas in the Southern Cone and will create the second largest producer of oil and gas in Argentina. Amoco will hold 60 % interest and Bridas 40 % interest. As part of the deal, Bridas Corporation will acquire a minority interest in Amoco Bolivia Oil and Gas, which owns 50% of Empresa Petrolera Chaco S.A.
In this transaction, Amoco is represented by Morgan Stanley & Co. Bridas is represented by Chase Securities, a subsidiary of the Chase Manhattan Bank.
The deal includes about 1.5 billion barrels of oil equivalent of certified reserves, of which about half are proved, and daily production of over 140,000 barrels of oil equivalent.
"We are combining two highly successful regional energy players to create an even stronger entity that will aggressively compete for additional growth opportunities in the Southern Cone, one of the most exciting emerging energy markets in the world," said L. Richard Flury, Executive Vice President of Amoco Corporation responsible for the world-wide exploration and production business.
Alejandro Bulgheroni, Chairman of Bridas' Southern Cone subsidiaries will be the Chairman of the new company, and Amoco will name the Chief Executive Officer.
Bridas has significant natural gas assets in all key Argentine basins currently supplying the Argentine and Chilean markets. The size and positioning of these assets offer significant growth potential and the unique possibility to supply developing natural gas and electric power markets throughout the Southern Cone. In addition, Amoco's Cerro Dragon area and its presence in Bolivia are also considered key assets that will help both companies reach a relevant position in the Southern Cone energy market, especially Brazil. Combining the assets will also allow Amoco and Bridas to capture greater efficiencies and reduce overall operating costs to better compete in the region.
The new company is committed to maintaining a safe workplace for employees and operating in an environmentally sensitive manner.
Bridas Corporation is one of the leading international independent oil and gas enterprises. Bridas has successfully operated in Argentina since 1959 and is currently also operating in Central Asia, the United States and other countries of South America.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 09:39 PM
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41. More- Unocal, Bridas, and the Afghanistan pipeline
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RandomKoolzip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:05 PM
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43. Guys.....
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 10:07 PM by RandomKoolzip
I just spent the weekend working hard at my pastry chef job. In between intense working, I caught a few bathroom breaks and after work, I was able to sit down and read over a hundred pages of the book "The Terrorist Next Door" by Daniel Levitas. It's about the history of the right wing "Christian Identity" movement and the militia/racist/tax protestor activity it promoted.

There's an interesting chapter in there about how when lifelong American farmers started to get squeezed by rising inflation in the late seventies, they formed PACs; the biggest was the AAM. The AAM eventually splitered into two groups: one a liberal, union-esque group dedicated to working within the system and affecting deliberate change; the other ("Grassroots AAM") became a vehicle for extreme RW conspiracy theory and rampant gunplay. (Guess which one was more effective in the long run.) The Grassroots AAM was obsessed with "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" and the machinations of the Rockefellers, the Rothschilds and the various "heads" of the "banking industry." In short, they were politically impotent shills for anti-semitism; special spleen was vented for the Federal Reserve, which they saw as a "Jewish cabal" intent on turning American democracy into corporate-run communism.

As I sit here, digesting Mr. Schwartz's posts about the EXACT SAME TOPICS above, I have to shake my head at the unfortunate parallels in our behavior. We seem all too ready to accept whatever Trojan Horse theory that knocks at the door, so long as it jibes with our preconceived prejudices. In fact, I had to re-read his threads twice, just to make sure I was actually SEEING my fellow DUers getting sucked into the same conspiracy theories that suckered the far right in the 70's. All the familiar names still resonate: Rockefeller? Since when is any Rockefeller still a viable political force?

My fear is that we pin our hopes on this story "breaking," when we know not THING ONE about Mr. Schwarz, his corporations, his background, etc. and when we know damn well it won't ever "break." There's no way in hell we can prove any of this stuff, and while half of Schwarz's map seems to lead to enlightenment, the other half seems to lead to Posse Comitatus Kindergarten Klass. I doubt that he is an insider. (Seriously. Can Will Pitt vouch for him this time?) After all, the authors (or plagiarists, if you will) of the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" claimed to be insiders as well.

And I'm not one to dismiss conspiracy theories out of hand simply because they're conspiracy theories. The Stanley Hilton and Sibel Edmonds threads were very enlightening, and I am a dedicated LIHOPper. You should see my shelves at home here: lots of JFK, Watergate, and other CT topics dominate. That might be one of the reasons why I can smell bullshit here; I seem to have flashbacks to John Birch Society (or even the Gemstone File) literature when I read Karl Schwarz's poorly-written laundry list. It's especially disappointing that the same nonsense about "The Banking Industry" can be simply updated, dusted off, modified to the twenty-first century for a new audience. In place of "Jews," say "Neo-Cons;" in place of "Carter," say "Bush." Attach it to Michael Ruppert's, Stanley Hilton's, and Ellen Mariani's already-existent muckraking, and.....voila! LW militia time! See you at the survivalist store, guys!

In short, I just don't think it's wise to follow every intriguing theory down the rabbit hole, especially ten days before the most important election of our lifetimes. And ESPECIALLY when said theory raises specters of Klan or Birch society paranoia.

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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:20 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. Sorry, but the research some of
us did on the Plame threads and the Sibel Edmonds threads resonates with Karl's stuff, and we all know the 9/11 story stinks worse than a skunk.
I'll go with Karl's stories until he is proven wrong because I know he's right on so much of it.
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thanks jon Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 10:43 PM
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45. chilling read
this thread that is, but I too was having flashbacks of "The Gemstone File"
An awesome conspriracy theorey thats almost too evil to be true. Its been too long since I read it though (mid seventies)and I am offering no opinion on it here.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 11:40 PM
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46. Say what you want about the neocons
Edited on Tue Oct-19-04 11:41 PM by JohnyCanuck
but I believe the evidence indicates they are a bunch of power mad, deceitful, Straussian/Machiavellian, fascists thugs, and in view of the powerful and influential posts and positions they currently occupy it would be a grave mistake to ignore them and their influence on the intellectually incapacitated sock puppet currently occupying the office of POTUS.


Leo Strauss' Philosophy of Deception

<snip>

Strauss is a popular figure among the neoconservatives. Adherents of his ideas include prominent figures both within and outside the administration. They include 'Weekly Standard' editor William Kristol; his father and indeed the godfather of the neoconservative movement, Irving Kristol; the new Undersecretary of Defense for Intelligence, Stephen Cambone, a number of senior fellows at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) (home to former Defense Policy Board chairman Richard Perle and Lynne Cheney), and Gary Schmitt, the director of the influential Project for the New American Century (PNAC), which is chaired by Kristol the Younger.

Strauss' philosophy is hardly incidental to the strategy and mindset adopted by these men – as is obvious in Shulsky's 1999 essay titled "Leo Strauss and the World of Intelligence (By Which We Do Not Mean Nous)" (in Greek philosophy the term nous denotes the highest form of rationality). As Hersh notes in his article, Shulsky and his co-author Schmitt "criticize America's intelligence community for its failure to appreciate the duplicitous nature of the regimes it deals with, its susceptibility to social-science notions of proof, and its inability to cope with deliberate concealment." They argued that Strauss's idea of hidden meaning, "alerts one to the possibility that political life may be closely linked to deception. Indeed,it suggests that deception is the norm in political life, and the hope, to say nothing of the expectation, of establishing a politics that can dispense with it is the exception."

Rule One: Deception

It's hardly surprising then why Strauss is so popular in an administration obsessed with secrecy, especially when it comes to matters of foreign policy. Not only did Strauss have few qualms about using deception in politics, he saw it as a necessity. While professing deep respect for American democracy, Strauss believed that societies should be hierarchical – divided between an elite who should lead, and the masses who should follow. But unlike fellow elitists like Plato, he was less concerned with the moral character of these leaders. According to Shadia Drury, who teaches politics at the University of Calgary, Strauss believed that"those who are fit to rule are those who realize there is no morality and that there is only one natural right – the right of the superior to rule over the inferior." (emphasis mine /bc)

<snip>

"Perpetual war, not perpetual peace, is what Straussians believe in," says Drury. The idea easily translates into, in her words, an "aggressive, belligerent foreign policy," of the kind that has been advocated by neocon groups like PNAC and AEI scholars – not to mention Wolfowitz and other administration hawks who have called for a world order dominated by U.S. military power. Strauss' neoconservative students see foreign policy as a means to fulfill a "national destiny" – as Irving Kristol defined it already in 1983 – that goes far beyond the narrow confines of a " myopic national security."


http://www.alternet.org/story/15935
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-19-04 11:54 PM
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47. Today there are so many different, competing descriptions of reality
anyone NOT thinking for himself MUST be going insane!

I am always suspicious when someone tells me what I want to hear. That doesn't mean I don't want to hear it. Neither does it mean I completely lay aside my discernment as I listen.

I appreciate what you've contributed. Although I also appreciate very much what Mr. Schwarz is offering, I'm also keeping one eye on the 'texture' of the situation.

For example, in #19 of Mr. Schwarz's open letter he mentions "photos of Adnan G. El Shukrijumah" which a Canadian woman friend (in radio interview Mr. Schwarz indicated they were "dating") recognized. This may be absolutely true but the fact is this is a LEVEL ONE COINCIDENCE. He 'just coincidentally happened to be dating' a woman who recognized the person in these FBI photographs. How interesting! Moreover, in radio interview (I forget precisely how he said it) there was some indication that his woman friend was somehow connected even more directly to these photographs than simply 'recognizing' them. I'd have to go back and re-listen to the interview to find the exact spot to get the exact words he used.

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The Minus World Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 01:42 AM
Response to Reply #47
49. 2,000 Words
He said that the woman he was dating had "direct involvement" with two of those photos.
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:03 AM
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61. Yes, that's it: "direct involvement."
In this context, what exactly does "direct involvement" mean? Did she TAKE the photographs used by the FBI?
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 01:17 AM
Response to Reply #43
48. Furthermore...
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 01:32 AM by BeHereNow
Karl Schwarz seems to have vanished from both
this site and the Kerry discussion forum.
Oh well, it was nice to feel hope for a day, was it not?
Good theater performance piece if nothing else...
You're good Karl. Really.
BHN

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The Minus World Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 01:53 AM
Response to Reply #48
50. As Events Unfold...
Although I share your feeling of vague desperation that Mr. Schwarz didn't show up for an update today, let me ask you:

Wouldn't you think it more odd that such an apparently busy man would find the time to correspond with us on DU? I take it that (allowing that KWBS is the same Karl Schwarz from the radio interview I downloaded), considering the task ahead of him, maintaining his presence on internet message-boards would be secondary, or even tertiary to him at this point.

Skepticism and cautioned analysis are important, but dismissal at this early stage is unnecessary. Tell me, do you know more now, as a result of reading what Karl has to say, than you did before?

The answer is undoubtedly "yes" (where else would you have discovered the BRIDAS connection?), and I believe he'll live up to his promise of delivering the goods, in due time.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:02 AM
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52. The Bridas info has been around for a LONG time
As a matter of fact it is archived, guess where?
at ONLINE JOURNAL..2002.
What a co-inky-dink huh?
Tapirlover has been on DU since January 12, 2004.
Do you not recognize any of OUR research on the demand letter?
We have just enjoyed a tremendous peice of internet theater.
That is all.
It was fun though, wasn't it?
Don't hold your breath for any earth shaking report though-
it is not coming. VERY industrious and creative execution
by them though, REALLY! Think about it!
Patmos Inc- BRILLIANT!
LOL!
BHN
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 09:16 AM
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57. Brisard missed Bridas in Afghanistan
Brisard in "Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth" established that Bridas had Turkmenistan and Pakistan under contract.

Only I have come forward that Bridas had the contract with Gen Rashid Dostum and Taliban.

Got that straight from Bridas.

Have been getting confirm from Argentina, thanking me for putting the facts on the table of what Bush Cheney did to Bridas, Clinton too.

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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 07:10 AM
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54. he's on the Kerry forum right now
Personally, I think the guy is just trying to sell his book and that's his biggest reason for spending such an extraordinary amount of time on the Kerry forum and here lately. Seeing as the book supposedly comes out today, the timing is somewhat... interesting. Although the substance of the majority of what he's saying rings of truth, I'm simply having a hard time buying that all this is going to explode out to the major public anytime soon.

Some of what he says just seems suspicious. He spent all night last night into the early morning hours on this forum (I know because I was on here all last night into the morning hours refreshing the threads). Supposedly, Fund's deposition is today, so if he claims he's part of that, when did the dude sleep? Also, what was he doing posting away here all night when he should have been preparing for that deposition? And now he's back at the Kerry forum.

Sorry, but it just looks like this guy is spending all this forum time trying to sell a book. What sucks about that is that discrediting the messanger usually also kills the message.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 11:51 AM
Response to Reply #54
96. Its either you're being sent to
discredit him or you're being ignorant, not sure which is which, only time will tell.


:wtf:
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:34 AM
Response to Reply #96
120. huh?
"What sucks about that is that discrediting the messanger usually also kills the message."

Was there some part of that which was not understood?
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:06 AM
Response to Reply #43
62. I agree completely. I did a lot of checking online,
and Mr. Schwarz has maintained an amazingly low profile for someone claiming to be CEO of a successful company, as well as a (former) GOP insider.

The claim that the GOP wanted him to run for governor of Arkansas made me wonder if there were any stories about civic involvement of the type that would make him a credible candidate. I couldn't find any. I did find a web page of Arkansas Supreme Court proceedings in 1997 ( http://courts.state.ar.us/opinions/971120.htm ) mentioning that the court denied a petition to review what was possibly a divorce case involving someone named Karl W. Schwarz vs. Lois (Schwarz) Moody. Mr. Schwarz has said that he's divorced.

I couldn't find anything on the "prison ministry" sometimes mentioned for Mr. Schwartz's background.

There's nothing on Patmos, and very little on Global Axxess or globalaxxess.net. I checked out Globalaxxess.com, which I saw mentioned on one web page about this controversy, but that was a dot.com that filed for bankruptcy a few years ago, and the CEO was Benjamin Hern.

What little I could find on Mr. Schwarz's Global Axxess consisted of web pages copying press releases from him, one news story that seemed to be primarily an interview with him (
http://okcbusiness.com/news/news_view.asp?newsid=455 ), and a couple of business message board comments that weren't exactly complimentary:

http://www.bradynet.com/bbs/em/100040-3554.html
This is a board for discussing the market in which someone quotes the letter Schwarz sent the White House about GX in September of last year -- that letter is about halfway down the page -- and the person posting the message suggests Schwarz is a "poor crook" trying to prop up GX shares.

http://www.lightreading.com/boards/message.asp?msg_id=41145
About 3/4 of the way down that page you'll see a press release about Mr. Schwartz's bankruptcy bid for Williams Communication Group, a bid that consists of a stock swap, followed by this message-board post:

GlobalAxxess (e*Capbank)...



Just send them your checks, please. The site is choked so I can't copy here the exact details, but these guys are typical of the oddballs that fall out of the trees around foreclosures and bankruptcies.



From memory: E*Capbank (the centerpiece of this scam) is attempting to raise about $2.5 billion in cash from "investors" which will be put under the control of five general partners who, they say, will attempt to consolidate three target companies now in bankruptcy.



Check them out through their website when enough of the early curious depart, thus freeing up bandwidth to allow other bystanders to witness another oddball group from Little Rock, Arkansas.



Put GlobalAxxess or e*Capbank into "google" for the URL.



Those are just message board posts, but I'm referring to them here because they were among the very few mentions of Karl Schwarz by third parties that I could find.

And I just did some more checking on something I'd noticed earlier but hadn't looked at, a search page result referring to Karl and Lois Schwarz, and a mortgage company. I am not positive the Karl W. Schwarz mentioned on that page is the same as the Karl Schwarz posting messages here, but this was on the first page of results that turned up when I Googled karl schwarz little rock. I didn't check this web page out when I first saw the result, just assumed it referred to an old (1976) dispute between the Schwarzes (since the paragraph of results mentioned Lois) and a mortgage company. When I looked at it more closely I saw it referred to a 1996 Arkansas Supreme Court opinion of a dispute related to the divorce. It's a WPD or WordPerfect file, but Google has an HTML version, at http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:8_1lrJlGNm4J:courts.state.ar.us/opinions/1996a/961028/96-458.wpd+karl+schwarz+little+rock&hl=en . And while usually I would not think that any legal documents pertaining to a divorce would be relevant here, I was concerned by the first sentence of the final paragraph of the court's opinion: This case is a troubling one because of the conduct of Karl Schwarz in executing an erroneous deed and because the "correction deed" may have been forged.

It worries me when the few references I can find to Mr. Schwartz's business dealings use words like "crook" and "scam" and "erroneous."

It also worries me that his book is being published in the way it is, by a man known for attacking Kerry.

There've been other questions raised in the Kerry general discussion forum, too, about the way the book is being marketed.

A lot of red flags here...
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m berst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 01:08 AM
Response to Reply #62
175. Karl has posted on our board for over a year
Over a year ago Karl signed up at a board of Wesley Clark supporters that I admin, The General Conversation. I thought that it might be helpful if I told what I know, and some members may be interested in reading what Karl was saying a year ago.

http://www.thegeneralconversation.com/board/

btw - I know that some are justifiably suspicious, and I am a new member at DU, so I will say that TGC is a labor of love, and I don't gain anything by pushing it, and that Karl and I are not working together in any way. I have always seen Karl as an eccentric and very bright man, and have enjoyed discussing politics with him over the months.

His username there is whereismyamerica, and he and I had some heated political discussions. He is the one and only conservative member we ever had. We have maintained email contact ever since, though we haven't met. I have read DU for months, and was surprised to suddenly see Karl appear here.

I'm not competent to speak to the accuracy of much of what Karl says, but I can say that it is consistent with what he was telling me a year ago, and he has been planning this book for a long time and had hoped to have it out earlier. I would be surprised if his appearnce here and at the Kerry board is to sell books, as my sense was always that the book was a vehicle to get his message out, and not likely to make any real money. I do know that he said all along that until he had the book published he was not going to make a big push, because the book would give him an excuse for getting on the radio, and perceived legitimacy with listeners. So I would say - I know this is how I would do it - that one would get a book out for the purpose of spreading the message, not spread the message for the purpose of selling a book. This is just my opinion, and forgve me if I am misrepresenting you here Karl.




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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 01:53 AM
Response to Original message
51. Karl's friend: Tapirlover
Has been a DU member since January 12, 2004.
Huh?
What took you so long to post?
How come you posted as if you had just
joined us when Karl showed up?
Thanks for the heads up RandomKoolZip.
Like I said, it was REALLY good internet theater!
And it was fun to have hope...but somehow,
I really doubt the report will surface.

Thanks for the entertainment though!
BHN
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Iceburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 06:36 AM
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53. Kick
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 09:45 AM
Response to Reply #51
59. God, we are a suspicious untrusting bunch
this is disappointing.

There has GOT to be ONE MAN with a conscious in the right place at the right time to make a difference. THERE HAS JUST GOT TO BE.

I'm holding out hope, I will not succumb yet.

He was giving away free copies of his books on the KErry/Edwards site. We sound like a bunch of freeps - when Richard Clarke wrote a book - trying to get the truth out - he was out to make a buck. When John Dean wrote a book trying to get the truth out - he was just out to make a buck. When Joe Wilson wrote a book trying to get the truth out - he was only out to make a buck.

When is it that sometimes people just have a conscious and want to do the right thing? Can that happen?

All I know is he is telling the truth - something that has been sorely lacking in the past 4 years. I'm holding on for dear life that this is real. If not - and Bush takes it - I'm bunkering down for the long haul.
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Tapirlover Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:03 AM
Response to Reply #59
60. karl's next silver bullet
oh,he is for REAL...I am glad I met him..he is rocking the neo-con's sick warped world..here is his latest









































































Special Report

Sinclair is more than broadcasting
Sinclair's connections explains the Kerry hit piece it wanted to broadcast

By Karl W. B. Schwarz
Online Journal Contributing Writer

Download a .pdf file for printing.
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Click here to download a free copy.

October 20, 2004—Many Americans do not know that before his days of crime at Enron, Andy Fastow was intimately involved in another "American Energy and Finance Scam" named Penn Central and that sleazy deal wound up toppling Continental Illinois Bank at a taxpayer costs of billions.

Andy Fastow was an employee at Continental Illinois Bank and learned his "Special Purpose Entity (SPE)" skills from Michael Milken and others and was hired by Enron because he did so well at hiding stuff at Continental Illinois. In short, he was a trained and "uncaught" criminal already that was recruited to Enron to do the same.

Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw (Richard Ben Veniste's law firm and him on the 9-11 Commission) prides itself in offshore SPEs to circumvent US law (ask Cheney), hide assets, offshore games, SPEs, etc., and was the major law firm representing Enron. Probably are still representing Cayman Islands based Prisma Energy International. Many of those Fastow SPEs were Cayman Islands entities.

Most Americans do not know that Continental Illinois was based in Chicago, and so are the law firms of Mayer Brown, Rowe & Maw (Richard Ben Veniste, 9-11 Commission) and Winston Strawn (former Illinois Republican Governor James Thompson, also 9-11 Commission member).

If you look under Prisma Energy International—"Corporate Governance"—there are many former Enron International and Halliburton people involved in the post-bankruptcy Enron. This is an excellent example of the "hired help" stealing the company from its owners (shareholders and vested employees).

The reason that I point this out is that I learned many years ago to dig deeper than one inch to effect "due diligence" and know the facts.

We have a situation where Sinclair Broadcasting had made it clear they intended to run a very negative film documentary about John Kerry, titled Stolen Honor. Now, that could be partisanship, or maybe there is a "highly-motivated party" here in Sinclair as to why they are taking such actions. They have come before this nation without clean hands and I will show you why that is so.

Dig deep folks and always–follow the money.

"FOLSOM, Calif., Sept. 28 /PRNewswire/ラJadoo Power Systems, Inc (Jadoo), a leading provider of portable power products, was awarded a contract to develop power systems for the US Special Operations Command (SOCOM). The program's goal is to reduce the weight of energy storage carried in the field by the Special Forces . . ."

While the award of a government contract is not always newsworthy, a closer look reveals this:

"Jadoo Power Systems, Inc. (Jadoo) is a market-focused company that has developed next-generation portable energy storage and power generation products. Jadoo is a privately-held company with individual and organizational investors."

The two investors listed are:

1. Sinclair Ventures: a wholly owned subsidiary of Sinclair Broadcast Group, Inc. and

2. Contango Capital Management: formed to bring capital to innovative entrepreneurs who are working hard to answer the energy challenges facing our world today and in the near future.

We know who Sinclair is (Stolen Honor), but check out where some Enron and Harvard Business School people now work: Contango Capital Partners—look at John Berger's "resume"

John Berger
Managing Partner
Contango Capital Partners


Mr. Berger is a founding partner of the General Partner and its Managing Partner. Mr. Berger has over eight years of experience in the energy industry, during which he managed energy trading books for Enron Corporation and initiated development of the new Enron Premium Power Division. As a Manager, he made the previously unprofitable southeast short term trading operation for the Enron East Power Trading Division profitable by approximately $30 million over a two year period. Under his management, the southeast short term trading operation successfully administered the largest long-term customer deal in the industry, and increased the average daily volume in the southeast trading hub by ten times the former volume. Mr. Berger also managed the Enron Hourly Trading Desk, and operated a utility system in the southeastern United States. At Enron Energy Services he led and developed Enron's corporate strategy for new energy technologies and energy reliability financial products. In addition, Mr. Berger spearheaded development, investment, and partnership opportunities in fuel cell technologies.

Hmm, what a catchy name for a venture capital fund, "Con-tango."

That Berger division of Enron is the exact one that was plundering the State of California. Both Enron and El Paso executives have pleaded guilty to criminal charges and Mr. Berger gets to go out and do more deals. Criminal charges are also pending against Dynegy in California too.

Guess what, Enron, Dynegy, and El Paso are all involved in Pakistan and the Caspian Basin and would all benefit from the forced removal of the Taliban and Bridas Corporation.

Of course, he worked under Thomas White, vice chairman of that Enron division that was promoted by Bush to Secretary of the Army during the period of time that BUSH & Co were planning and practicing the assault on Afghanistan and BRIDAS CORPORATION and take over that Afghanistan pipeline.

Criminal charges were pending, and now confirmed with an Enron executive pleading guilty in California and an El Paso executive, too.

What an easy way to co-opt someone into doing evil. Criminal charges- that up and vanish against all but an unlucky fall guy.

Go an inch deeper. Who was representing Governor Gray Davis while all of this was under investigation and 21 US energy companies were caught red-handed fleecing $5.5 to $7.5 billion from California electricity customers?

From Chapter 13 of One-Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas, a Conservative Republican Speaks Out:

Footnote 689: www.sacbee.com/static/archive/news/special/power/080401data.htm l Meanwhile, Joseph Fichera and Michael Hoffman, two Davis administration advisers who had been criticized for failing to disclose energy-related stock holdings, sent letters to Davis on Friday saying they owned no stock in firms involved in providing power to the state.

Footnote 693: Special Consultants to Gov.; Name Agreement Date Service Term Date SEI Signed Notes Richard Ferreira 1/30/01 1/31/01 to 12/31/02 7/10/01 A-1 assets listed; $2k-$10k Calpine acquired 8/17/00; address redacted

Joseph Fichera - Saber Partners 3/1/01 3/1/01 to 6/30/01 exemption 1 negotiated transmission line deal; commission contract
** Kevin Stacey (director)
** William Moore (director)
** Paul Sutherland (director)
** Alan Blinder (advisory board chair)
Michael Hoffman - Blackstone Group 3/1/01 3/1/01 to 6/30/01 exemption 1 negotiated transmission line deal; commission contract
** Peter Peterson (chairman)
** Stephen Schwarzman (pres & ceo)
** Michael Puglisi (cfo)
** 15 staff working on the deal

Of course, Mr. Schwartzman is a Skull & Bonesman, a year behind George W. Bush, and a Bush Pioneer.

Talk about letting the fox watch the henhouse. Criminal conduct in California by the division of Enron that did it, and take one of the executives (Berger) and have him advising the prosecution (Federal Energy Regulatory Commission—FERC) as to what steps to take.

John Berger
Managing Partner
Contango Capital Partners

During 2002 and 2003, Mr. Berger served as an advisor to the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission where he drafted governance guidelines for the Regional Transmission Organizations and served as an advisor to the drafters of the Standard Market Design regulatory document that is currently before the United States Congress. He also advised the Commission on distributed generation, demand response, information gathering and application issues, investigations, and trade clearing/credit issues in the North American energy markets. Mr. Berger graduated cum laude from Texas A&M University with a B.S. in Civil Engineering. In 2003, he earned an MBA from Harvard Business School where he founded and organized the first annual Harvard Business School Energy Symposium and was a finalist in the 2003 HBS Business Plan Contest.

Oh yeah, and he is a good Texas A&M Aggie, too, which is the location of that George H. W. Bush Presidential Library that is off-limits so Americans can't know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth about Bush sleaze.

Karl W. B. Schwarz lives in Little Rock, AR and is the author of "One-Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas, a Conservative Republican Speaks Out." He is the President and Chief Executive Officer of Patmos Nanotechnologies, LLC and I-nets Security Systems, a designer of intelligence and UAV systems. You can email him here.





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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:15 AM
Response to Reply #60
63. Tapirlover, Karl and DU
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 10:24 AM by BeHereNow
Dear All,

Karl sent me links to the site selling his book
and his new OnlineJournal post this morning.
I wrote to him to thank him for giving us hope;
as we know, Karl wrote to us that he had a story
that would blow the top off of the rat nest in
DC. That the story he was breaking would send them
scurrying on both sides of the aisle.
I don't think the new article at Online is going to do that.
I think Karl is legitimate as far as his research and
reporting. I also think he is who he says he is as
far as a conservative Christian Republican CEO
who is sick and tired of the machinations in our
Government. I find his letter of demand to be a succinct
and accurate list of the questions we have been asking
here all along. I hope he continues to join our
discussions, because I enjoy his thoughts and
the way he expresses himself. He right on so many points
and his observations of of the criminals are certainly
sympatico with ours.
As far as the timing of his appearance here at DU
and the Kerry board in relation to the release of his
book? Well, that is fine with me too, why would he not
want to sell his book? I am sure it is a good one having
read what he has shared thus far from it.

What little I understand of nanotech, it sounds as
if he is on to something that could revolutionize aspects
of our world today. I hope so; lord knows we need it.

I will continue to hope that he can and will release
evidence that will finally bring the madness to an end
and reveal the thugs in a way that all Amercians
will be outraged by to finally wake from their stupor.

Karl, if you are still visiting the board,
I wish you well and hope you will indeed
accomplish what you have assured us you can.
Your new Onlinejournal article is excellent;
you are an extremely good writer- however,
I don't think that this is the article that will send the
rats fleeing.
I will read your book and look forward to it.

BHN
On edit: I have posted this on the "Is Karl Schwarz a Fraud"
thread here in GD posted by RebelYell too-
Tapirlover: Du is still curious to know- your profile says
that you joined us in January 2004. Many of us find it
interesting that you just now started posting, in concert with
Karl's appearance here and the release of his book.
All well and fine- I can understand how you might
target an audience BEFORE the release of the book.
We at DU are a forgiving bunch, and I don't think many
among us will hold a grudge at being manipulated by
you and Karl- the fact is the research is tight and not
inconsistent with our own. You are both welcome here,
but rather than play us in a marketing strategy, why not
just join our discussion? We follow the money too,
and it COULD appear that you and Karl showed up
to sell a book, which again, is fine- but I must say
it will be interesting to see if you stick around after the
marketing blitz is over...bhn
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Tapirlover Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #63
64. reply
I realise it does appear suspect but I have not posted before the last fews days. I had registered with DU and forgot I had and have been busy mainly with my 9/11 research and action commitees in NYC. I am one of the admins over at www.letsroll911.org and have my own blog there called "Simon Says". I can assure you that I am not part of any marketing strategy and I met Karl at a Summer of Truth event where his power point presentation floored me. I have had the great honour to be the person to fax Karl's demand letter into the White Hose on September 30th.I have always remained a fiercly independant person who has ,with horror watched my country take a nose dive into fascism,and I am doing everything I can to wake up the masses.I intend to stay with these forums as I find those who post in here of like minds and true patriots who are as committed to taking back our country as I am.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #64
65. THANK YOU
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 10:50 AM by BeHereNow
for finally responding to one of my posts to you.
DU, Karl and you; we are all on the same mission.

Thank you also for acknowledging that the timing
could be construed as an pre-orchestrated plan to
sell books; again I have no problem with Karl selling
his book, nor would any other DUer who had a book
hitting the market. As a matter of fact, we have several
authors, damn fine ones here at DU. And we buy their
books, because they too are fine researchers and
writers.

Please consider this:
DU finds no conflict in anything Karl asserts
in his research. It matches our own and then some.
It does feel somewhat manipulative though, to assert
that there is evidence that will bring down the rats
at the same time as the book release.
I am reserving judgement on that motive.
Time will tell, in the meantime, hope you continue
to share some of your Simonsays with us.
BHN
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Tapirlover Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #65
66. thank you
Thank you Beherenow.... I will share my latest stuff from my blog anytime and you are more than welcome to visit it as well...
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voice of the white house <"Simon Says..."> - Deb Simon - tapirlover@aol.com @ 19:46:09
I was at a meeting last weekend with retired military and intel and received a bootleg copy of a documentary that never aired.."Conspiracy of Silence" from a former Special Agent in Charge with the FBI (ret.) I am burning copies of it right and left so as to get it out there everywhere.It involved a child sex-ring in DC that went all the way to Bush and son.Funny how this story below comes up today...
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TBR News - October 18, 2004



Nous sommes desoles que notre president soit un idiot. Nous n'avons pas vote pour lui.

Voice of the White House

In recent past issues, we have carried comments from a reporter assigned to the White House press corps. Some of these remarks, most especially one about Bush’s physical and mental problems, drew an enormous number of viewers and hundreds of inquiries, most especially from foreign press entities. The reporter advised us by email that there was rampant fury in the White House and security was becoming very tight. As a result of this, he decided to lay low for a few weeks and see how the wind was blowing. Yesterday, he sent us the following material which we are now posting. Some of it is outrageous in the extreme but to date, no one has proven him wrong. Our source was the first to expose and we were the first to make public, the accusations that the President of the United States was a man that suffered from serious psychological problems. Since our initial publication of what we call the Madness of King George, there has been increasing interest in the subject and herewith, we present additional input from inside the White House.

October 15, 2004: “ The last material I sent you, about a pending war, is causing pandemonium inside the Monkey Palace. They have been looking for the leaks for months now and we have the Secret Service, the FBI and Homeland Security all involved at one level or another. Phones are being watched, laptops searched physically, in some cases we have seen staff taking lie detector tests and over all of this, threats of arrest and imprisonment for violating National Security! I will have more for you tomorrow on the possibility/probability of military action against Iran but in the meantime, here is a juicy bit for you. For the present, no names but they will follow. Seems a former White House aide, (Reagan White House) was caught running a male prostitution service and got fired from the Monkey Palace, and later from the RNC for supplying muscular boy toys to some top Beltway gays. Well, after being fired, our bozo got together with a Muslim druggie and set up operations at the Kennedy-Warren, a landmark DC apartment/business complex. They ran a male escort service supplying young studs to older Beltway citizens. Among these citizens were: Federal judges, top political figures, mostly Republican, very senior military people and certainly members of Congress. The head of this service, that utilized credit cards for payment, supplied young men, mostly young servicemen, between 18 to 25 for sex. They kept very complete records, including names and address of the johns as well as credit card receipts. And later there was blackmail and now, I have learned from the inside, this joker has sold the lists to: Iranians( through his partner’s Arab connections) and a gay group in DC. Sold the lists twice and got twice the money. I have seen a partial list and it reads like the DC social register, believe me! This enterprising young man is very liable to end up at the bottom of the Potomac River just like ex-CIA chief Bill Colby who was terminated by his former employees because he just couldn’t keep his mouth shut about certain things. I won’t have old Bill’s problem because I am not a Princeton man and even you don’t know who I am. You had the intestinal fortitude to print the material about the planned Iranian attack and maybe you will do the same with this one. I know a number of people inside the Beltway read your site…and loathe you…and if they read this and are closet queens, the sale of dignity pants will soar in the next few weeks. My, my, such lovely names! The Washington Times did a front page story on this joker some time back, by the way, but no one dared to touch him because of what, and whom, he knew…and serviced…”

October 16, 2004: “There is now some debate about the subject of the planned and proposed joint US/Israeli attack on Iran. There is no question it passed from the drawing board to the paper stage but with all the negative publicity generated, mostly by your publication of my comments, some are having second thoughts. I had some fun today reading a Russian website..www.Iraqwar.ru that discussed all of this. One drooling idiot said that I did not exist. Remind me to tell my wife about this! There are some strange ones running loose out there, for certain. The next bit of information for your readers concerns Vladimir Putin, the Russians and the CIA. It is common knowledge that Reagan played high stakes poker with the Russians, using the completely phony Star Wars project to force them into an escalating hardware war that they lost. After the fall of Communism, the economy collapses and US oil interests moved right in to lay their hands on the potentially vital Russian oil fields. They operated via the CIA through Moscow street thugs who grabbed the properties when the state privatized them, looted everything in sight and got their friends in the US to loan them huge sums of cash…which they also stole and stashed in Swiss and Israeli banks. Putin came into power when the CIA’s Yeltsin drank himself into a permanent stupor. Putin, an ex-KGB man, is not stupid and is not a drunk. He stopped the takeover of Russian oil, broke up the Russian/US cartels and caused spastic colon in boardrooms all over the United States and England. The US could not tolerate well-heeled and generous friends of the Republicans being deprived of their profits so they embarked on a clandestine campaign to discredit Putin and get their hands back on the Russian oil-producing areas. The CIA ran the show. They overthrew the government of Georgia and put their man in power and moved on Azerbaidschan and Cechenia. To make a long story short, it turns out that the CIA supported fully the Chechen leader that was directly responsible for the Russian school massacre. They have a lovely habit of doing such things. After all, the CIA killed Allende in Chile and replaced him with their man, Pinochet, who slaughtered God knows how many Chileans. The point is here that Putin found out about our official but clandestine support of this monster and to say he and his people are angry and determined to put a stop to any future adventurism of this kind goes without saying. This leads me up to tacit Russian support of Iran. Today, Russia is fishing in troubled waters because no one in the Middle East, and I mean no one, wants American troops in that area. Bush is seen as a madman and American activities against the citizenry of Iraq has outraged not only the locals but the entire Muslim community plus all of Europe and much of Asia. We are caught between a rock and a hard place. Bush is absolutely incapable of admitting he is wrong and the fanatic Neocons so determined that the US fully support Israel that if this new Vietnam continues for much longer, the results will be absolutely devastating. I know a number of senior and very professional military men of rank and position who are horrified at Bush’s activities and the activities of the savage gang of private murderers he turned loose on the Iraqi population and who can clearly see what is going to happen. They all know what a treacherous man Bush is and if and when things really explode, he will quickly blame them even though they want nothing to do with his Mad Hatter Empire building. Notice that the CIA also loathes him and has been leaking very important anti-Bush documents to their many friends in the American media. Bush blames them for his own gross stupidity and fanaticism and they are getting their revenge on him and his corrupt administration. It is a really terrible thing to sit by and watch a major disaster slowly building and know that there is nothing anyone can do about it. …”

Comment: The complete intelligence report on US attempts to gain control of Caucasus oil areas, to include support of local terrorist groups, will be serialized here soon.

An Israeli/U.S. strike on Iran?
When we published the story about a pending attack by US and Israeli forces against Iran, out site was so flooded with viewers that it shut itself down for two days. TBR news was flooded by emails from all over the world, which is not surprising because at least a dozen foreign websites ran the story and linked to our site. Although most of the correspondence was positive, there was a recurring theme in the balance of the messages: This was all a vicious anti-Semitic, anti-Bush attack by Kennedy communists and secular humanists. No sane person, these negative missives insisted, could believe such nonsense. Neither the United States nor Israel, both democracies and strong advocates of peace, would ever contemplate such a vicious and unprincipled attack. To answer these writers, we are publishing several in-depth articles on the subject. It is also interesting to note that the great bulk of mail from foreign countries completely believes the thesis of a US/Israeli military strike on Tehran.
‘We’re done:’ Iran reactor ready despite 2-year delay claim

SPECIAL TO WORLD TRIBUNE.COM

October 15, 2004

MOSCOW — Iran and Russia said they have completed construction of the nuclear power reactor at Bushehr.

The announcement came less than two months after Iran said Bushehr would not begin operations until late 2006, three years behind schedule. At the time, officials said Bushehr — a project estimated at $1 billion — was delayed by the Russian revision of the original nuclear reactor design, drafted by the German firm Simens in the 1970s.

But officials from both countries said on Thursday that Russia completed the construction of Bushehr and the installation of the first 1,000-megawatt light-water reactor unit. They said the key remaining task was for Russia to supply Iran with the nuclear fuel required to operate Bushehr, Middle East Newsline reported.

“We’re done,” a spokesman for Russia’s Federal Atomic Energy Agency, known as Rosatom, said. “What remains is for the Russian specialists to assemble the unit’s control and safety equipment.”

Last week, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov visited Iran and assured his hosts that his government would provide the nuclear fuel for Bushehr, a move that has been delayed because of Iran’s refusal to bear the costs of returning the spent nuclear fuel to Moscow. Earlier, a senior Iranian official said nuclear fuel deliveries must begin seven months before the facility was scheduled to launch operations.

“All we need to do now is work out an agreement on sending the spent fuel back to Russia,” the Russian Atomic Energy Agency spokesman was quoted by Itar-Tass agency as saying.

The spokesman made his remarks after Rosatom director Alexander Rumyantsev met a key Iranian parliamentarian to discuss Bushehr. Iran has long complained of delays in the project, and in a briefing in August Mehran Zia Sheikholeslami, head of technical operations at Bushehr, said Teheran was pressing Moscow to meet Iran’s latest deadline for the start of the facility’s full operations, October 2006.

The Iranian who met Rumyantsev was identified as the chairman of parliament’s Foreign Policy and National Security Committee, Alaeddin Borudjerdi. Borudjerdi agreed that Russia was required to do little more than provide the nuclear fuel for Bushehr.

“The agreement is practically ready,” Borudjerdi said. “If the experts agree on a few remaining commercial matters, it could be signed in November.”

Rumyantsev could visit Iran in December to conclude the nuclear fuel agreement, officials said. They said Russia would first wait for the meeting of the board of governors of the International Atomic Energy Agency on Nov. 25, meant to determine whether Teheran was honoring its pledge to cooperate with the international community regarding Teheran’s nuclear program.

http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/breaking_7.html

A Preemptive Attack on Iran’s Nuclear Facilities: Possible Consequences

by Sammy Salama and Karen Ruster

At a time when Iraq and the war on terrorism tend to dominate the debate on international affairs, the possibility of an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities has not been a major topic of discussion in the United States. There are reports, however, that the Bush administration has seriously considered this option but opted to put it on the back burner for the time being.<1> Further, on May 6, 2004, the U.S. House of Representatives passed Resolution 398 in a 376-3 vote, calling on the U.S. government “to use all appropriate means to deter, dissuade, and prevent Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons.”<2> If a similar resolution passes the Senate, it will give President Bush or any future administration the ability to launch a preemptive strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities whenever this is deemed necessary.

In Israel, planning and rhetoric appear to have progressed quite a bit further<3>; it appears that some in Israel are seriously considering a preemptive attack similar to the June 1981 attack on Osirak that destroyed Iraq’s nuclear reactor.<4> Meir Dagan, the Chief of Mossad, told parliament members in his inaugural appearance before the Israeli Knesset Foreign Affairs and Defense Committee that Iran was close to the “point of no return” and that the specter of Iranian possession of nuclear weapons was the greatest threat to Israel since its inception.<5> On November 11, 2003, Israeli Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom said that Israel had “no plans to attack nuclear facilities in Iran.”<6> Less than two weeks later however, during a visit to the United States, Israel’s Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz stated that “under no circumstances would Israel be able to tolerate nuclear weapons in Iranian possession”<7> and just six weeks earlier, Mossad had revealed plans for preemptive attacks by F-16 bombers on Iranian nuclear sites.<8> This report will examine the following: The Iranian nuclear facilities most likely to be targeted and their proliferation risk potential; the likely preemptive scenarios involving Israel or the United States; and the possible consequences of any preemptive action.

Current Status of Iran Vis-à-Vis the IAEA

On December 18, 2003, Iran signed the NPT (nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty) Additional Protocol on Nuclear Safeguards, according greater access and the possibility of intrusive inspections to Iran’s nuclear facilities by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA).<9> Since then, IAEA inspectors have carried out various inspections all throughout Iran that revealed a lot of new information about the scale and history of the Iranian nuclear program. While Iran has in general been forthcoming and helpful to the IAEA, some issues remain outstanding. Some IAEA board members, primarily the United States, have accused Iran of pursuing an underground nuclear weapons program that has yet to be substantiated by IAEA inspectors. The United States argues that this constitutes a violation of the NPT and necessitates the referral of Iran’s nuclear file to the United Nations Security Council (UNSC). In its last resolution on Iran on June 18, 2004, the board reprimanded Iran for not providing the agency with fuller, more timely, and more proactive cooperation; specifically Iran postponed mid-March visits to a number of locations involved in Iran’s P-2 centrifuge enrichment program.<10> In addition, while Iran claims that it has furnished the IAEA with relevant information in a timely and responsible manner, the IAEA deplored Iran’s omission of any reference in its October 21, 2003 declaration of it possession of P-2 design drawings, research, manufacturing, and mechanical testing activities.<11> The IAEA also called on Iran to “be proactive in taking all necessary steps on an urgent basis to resolve all outstanding issues” including issues related to LEU and highly enriched uranium (HEU) contamination and the limited production of polonium-210 and plutonium.<12>

IAEA director Mohamed El-Baradei is all too aware of the current dilemma with regard to Iran, and is wary of referring Iran’s file to the Security Council. He fears that exerting too much pressure might well push Iran into choosing to opt out of the NPT, in which case, as he mentioned recently to a gathering of academics in Israel, “you have another North Korea.”<13> To the barrage of critics who insist that, despite the lack of proof, Iran’s intentions are obvious, El-Baradei has decried the lack of a “smoking gun” providing evidence of Iran’s engagement in a nuclear weapons program. As he stated, “We are not God. We cannot read intentions.”<14> Iran continues to assert that its nuclear program envisages peaceful applications only, and El-Baradei continues to support a diplomatic solution to the situation.<15> In addition, Russia, which is currently building the Iranian Bushehr reactor, has been unequivocal in its opposition to UN sanctions on Iran, especially in the absence of concrete evidence of a weapons application. Russia has asserted complete Iranian disclosure, despite Putin’s recent charge of bad faith on the part of Iran in its failure to comply with IAEA inspections.<16>

Iranian Facilities Likely To Be Targeted in a Preemptive Strike

Bushehr:

Bushehr is a complex of light water reactors located on the Persian Gulf southwest of Isfahan. Construction started in mid 1975 under Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Following the Islamic Revolution in 1979, Ayatollah Khomeini deemed nuclear weapons research un-Islamic and ordered the project shut down. In 1995, however, Tehran signed an $800 million deal with Russia to complete the construction of the Bushehr reactor. Bushehr is a 1,000 MW reactor, expected to be operational by 2005.<17> The contingent of Russian experts and workers at the facility is currently estimated at around 300 persons from among a 900-person strong workforce.

During talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin in early July 2004, El-Baradei basically concurred with the Russian assessment and Iranian claims, stating that “Bushehr is not apparently at the center of international concern because Bushehr is a project to produce nuclear energy.”<18> El-Baradei also praised Russia’s resolve to get its spent fuel back from Bushehr. Russia intends to provide fuel to Bushehr after it reaches an agreement with Iran to secure the return of all spent fuel. From a nonproliferation standpoint, Bushehr is not currently a major concern as long as it is open to intrusive IAEA inspections and the spent fuel is returned to Russia, but this arrangement may change in the future. Iran has stated that in the long term, it intends to produce its own fuel for Bushehr. Without consistent intrusive inspections and verifications, there is a potential proliferation problem if spent fuel rods from Bushehr can be diverted to secret undisclosed facilities for plutonium production. Once enough plutonium has been produced, Iran could build nuclear weapons in a short time.

Natanz:

Natanz is a nuclear facility, the previously secret existence of which was disclosed by the National Council of Resistance of Iran (NCRI) an Iranian opposition group in August 15, 2002.<19> Satellite imagery made available in December 2002 indicated that Natanz may be used as a gas centrifuge facility for uranium enrichment.<20> Iran subsequently invited IAEA inspectors to visit the facility under construction at Natanz in early 2003. During a February 2003 visit, Iran advised IAEA chief Mohamed El-Baradei of the near-completion of a uranium pilot fuel enrichment plant (PFEP) and continuing construction of a large fuel enrichment plant (FEP). Upon completion, the pilot plant will house approximately 1,000 P-1 gas centrifuges.<21> During the 2003 visit, the IAEA inspectors noted, fully operational new centrifuges in the nuclear complex and the IAEA reported the possible presence of HEU at the PFEP facility later that year, apparently contradicting Iran’s claim that it had not carried out enrichment procedures. Iran has suggested that the HEU particles that were found must have been on imported centrifuge equipment. The FEP complex is very large and being built partially underground, leading some to question its purported peaceful character.<22> From a nonproliferation standpoint, in the absence of IAEA intrusive verifications and inspections, the facilities at Natanz can become a major concern. When completed, it is estimated that Natanz will be capable of producing weapons-grade uranium sufficient for several weapons per year, employing more than 50,000 centrifuges.<23> Uranium extracted from mines in Yazd Province will allow Iran to be self-sufficient in its quest to produce the fuel needed to run its nuclear power stations, obviating the current need for regulated Russian nuclear fuel.

Arak:

Arak is the site of two planned heavy water facilities. The first is a heavy water production facility, the existence of which was disclosed by an Iranian opposition group in August 2002. When IAEA inspectors visited the site in February 2003, Iran claimed that it planned to produce heavy water for export to other countries. Three months later, Iran clarified that it intends to use the heavy water to moderate a prospective heavy water research reactor in Arak.<24> The second facility is a 40 MW heavy water reactor, which Iran announced its plans to start building in 2004. This plant may present a serious nonproliferation challenge when completed. The Arak heavy water reactor will use uranium dioxide and enable Iran to produce plutonium suitable for nuclear weapons assembly. Some estimate that this plant will be able to produce 8 to10 kilograms of weapons-grade plutonium every year, a sufficient amount to build one to two nuclear weapons annually.<25> The Iranians claim the plant is for peaceful purposes only and is intended for medical research and development.

A Preemptive Attack on Iran Compared to the Osirak Example

On June 7, 1981, in a surprise air attack the Israeli Air Force using F-15 and F-16 fighter jets destroyed the Iraqi Osirak nuclear reactor located 30 kilometers South of Baghdad.

If Israel were to decide to act alone and attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, it would face a greater challenge than it did with Osirak. Natanz, Bushehr, and Arak are much farther away from Israel than Osirak. Moreover, these facilities are located hundreds of miles from each other, which makes them more difficult to attack simultaneously. Yiftah Shapir, an Israeli analyst, explains: “Israel’s options to counter the threat are limited. A preemptive strike against Iran’s missile or nuclear assets is problematic because the targets are too far away, too numerous and dispersed, and too well protected - some of them in deep underground installations.”<26> Furthermore, it is unlikely that Israel would receive permission from Turkey, Saudi Arabia, or Jordan to pass through their airspace en route to Iran. Due to widespread domestic opposition, Turkey denied the United States use of its territory in the attack on Iraq despite large financial inducements. It would be difficult for the Turkish government to justify cooperating with an Israeli attack on another Muslim country. The Saudi government is currently in a severe struggle with domestic militant Jihadi elements who deem the al-Saud ruling family Western lackeys and infidels. Under these circumstances, it would be very difficult and dangerous for the Saudis to grant Israel permission to overfly their airspace to attack Iran, given its potential to further destabilize their domestic security position. The Jordanian regime is in a position similar to Saudi Arabia, although it has usually been more accommodating of Israeli needs. Should Israel use the Jordan route to Iran, it would have to overfly Iraqi airspace, which is controlled by the United States. For the United States to agree to allow Israeli overflight of Iraqi airspace en route to Iran would necessarily be seen as equal American complicity in the attack.

Another possible scenario is a U.S. attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities. U.S. forces have at their disposal a very impressive array of smart bombs and guided munitions, as evidenced during the “Shock and Awe” campaign in the first few days of Operation Iraqi Freedom. A U.S. attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities, using an array of Tomahawk cruise missiles and/or guided munitions from stealth bombers would surely be much more effective than anything Israel could muster at this point. It is difficult, however, to estimate the likely extent of damage to Iranian installations, given that the more sensitive portions of these facilities were built underground - specifically to guard against a destructive attack. In addition, Iran has purchased and deployed advanced Russian air defense systems to guard these nuclear facilities. Since 1993, Iran has purchased an unknown number of S-300PMU-1 missiles from Russia, and in 2003-2004, Iran and other Middle Eastern nations have purchased additional quantities of the Russian made S-300.<27> These last shipments may have included the more advanced S-300V.

Consequences of an Attack on Iran’s Nuclear Facilities

Effect on Iran’s Nuclear Program

Contrary to popular belief, it appears that Israel’s attack on Osirak in June of 1981 did nothing to hinder Iraq’s nuclear aspirations. Although it temporarily set back its capabilities, it served rather to reinforce and increase Saddam’s desire for a nuclear arsenal. In fact, Iraqi nuclear scientist Imad Khadduri claims that Israel’s preemptive strike against the French-built Tamuz Iraqi nuclear reactor, which was not really suitable for plutonium production anyway, had the exact opposite effect of the one intended: it sent Saddam Hussein’s A-bomb program into overdrive and convinced the Iraqi leadership to initiate a full fledged nuclear weapons program immediately afterwards.<28>

Khidir Hamza, another Iraqi nuclear scientist and one of the leading proponents of Operation Iraqi Freedom and the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, gave a near identical assessment. He told Mike Begala on CNN’s Crossfire on February 7, 2003:

Israel – actually, what Israel is that it got out the immediate danger out of the way. But it created a much larger danger in the longer range. What happened is that Saddam ordered us - we were 400... scientists and technologists running the program. And when they bombed that reactor out, we had also invested $400 million. And the French reactor and the associated plans were from Italy. When they bombed it out we became 7,000 with a $10 billion investment for a secret, much larger underground program to make bomb material by enriching uranium. We dropped the reactor out totally, which was the plutonium for making nuclear weapons, and went directly into enriching uranium.... They estimated we’d make 7kg of plutonium a year, which is enough for one bomb. And they get scared and bombed it out. Actually it was much less than this, and it would have taken a much longer time. But the program we built later in secret would make six bombs a year.<29>

Furthermore, in his book Saddam’s Bombmaker, Dr. Hamza states that following the destruction of Osirak in June 1981, Saddam Hussein decided not to repeat the mistake of concentrating all of Iraq’s nuclear assets in a single declared location. With the help of the Soviets, the Iraqis embarked on a covert nuclear program that simultaneously extended and hid Iraq’s uranium enrichment facilities. Many of these facilities were disguised as warehouses or schools; others were hidden behind farmhouses - all of which was aimed at confusing the IAEA inspectors and preventing them from discovering Iraq’s true nuclear potential.

It was Saddam’s 1990 invasion of Kuwait, compounded by the difficulty of acquiring sufficient fissile material that doomed Iraq’s nuclear prospects. Prior to the invasion, Iraq’s nuclear program was moving full speed ahead to produce enough fissile material for nuclear bomb assembly, assuming it could obtain enough uranium. But Iraq’s invasion of Kuwait changed everything, resulting in UN Security Council Resolution 687, which banned Iraqi possession of any WMD programs.<30> Iraq’s defeat in the 1991 Gulf War, in addition to more than a decade of UN sanctions and inspections, virtually stripped Iraq off its nuclear technology gains and bomb-making ability.

With regard to Iran, there is no reason to believe that an attack on the facilities in Bushehr, Arak, or Natanz would have any different consequence than the Osirak example. Such an attack would likely embolden and enhance Iran’s nuclear prospects in the long term. In the absence of an Iranian nuclear weapon program, which IAEA inspectors have yet to find, a preemptive attack by the United States or Israel would provide Iran with the impetus and justification to pursue a full blown covert nuclear deterrent program, without the inconvenience of IAEA inspections. Such an attack would likely be seen as an act of aggression not only by Iran but most of the international community, and only serve to weaken any diplomatic coalition currently available against Iran.

The most troubling aspect of such a scenario is that, unlike Iraq in 1981, Iran is not dependent on foreign imports for nuclear technology and already has available the raw materials, and most of the designs and techniques, required to pursue a nuclear weapons program. Iran has the necessary know-how and has already produced every stage of the nuclear fuel cycle.<31> Furthermore, Iran has uranium mines in Yazd and is in the process of constructing milling plants to manufacture yellow cake uranium and conversion plants that convert it to UF6 gas.<32> Iran has also begun manufacturing its own gas centrifuges used to enrich uranium. Even if Natanz, Arak, and Bushehr were destroyed in a preemptive strike, Iran probably has duplicate equipment that can be activated and has the know-how to produce more, to pursue a more vigorous and unabated nuclear weapons program in the long term.

Effect on Iran’s Relationship Vis-à-Vis the IAEA and International Coalition

In the event of an unprovoked preemptive attack on its nuclear facilities, Iran could justifiably argue that it requires nuclear weapons to guard against aggression and protect its sovereignty, effectively announcing its intention to withdraw from the NPT and altering the current international dynamic. Especially given the recent lack of substantiation in the Iraqi WMD case, such a strike would undoubtedly result in U.S. or Israeli diplomatic isolation.

The practical diplomatic consequences of a preemptive attack in Iran are worth considering. In the aftermath of such a strike, it is highly unlikely that the United States would be able to convince members of the UN Security Council to impose sanctions on Iran. Without international sanctions, Iran will be able to allocate greater financial and human resources to its nuclear program. If the Iraqi Osirak example is any indication, the size of Iran’s nuclear program would probably increase dramatically, as the Iranian government touts an expanded nuclear program as the key to deterring Iran’s enemies.

As the target of an unprovoked attack, Iran gains by pointing to justifications for escaping the constraints of the NPT, therefore becoming a much greater proliferation threat. Unrestrained, the Iranians will have the means and technology to eventually manufacture gas centrifuges and mine, mill, convert, and enrich uranium. Even under IAEA intrusive inspections, Iran has assembled more than 920 gas centrifuges, 120 of which were assembled in just two and a half months, between November 2003 and mid-January 2004.<33> To enrich enough HEU to make one nuclear bomb requires running 750 gas centrifuges for one year.<34> If Iran seceded from the NPT, and increased the size of its nuclear program, it would be able to manufacture and assemble many more gas centrifuges, and therefore rapidly enrich uranium. Once sufficient fissile material is obtained, designing a basic nuclear warhead can be easily accomplished. In the absence of intrusive inspections or threat of UN Security Council (UNSC) sanctions, the only way to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapons capability would be to occupy Iran, a very unlikely occurrence given the serious challenges already faced by the United States in a smaller, weaker Iraq.

Effect on U.S.-Russian Relations

Attacking Iranian nuclear facilities also has the potential of igniting a diplomatic crisis between the United States and Russia. The Russian Federation is not only Iran’s foremost supplier of nuclear technology and training, it is reported that hundreds of Russian scientists and technicians currently work in Bushehr. A preemptive attack on Bushehr may kill a large number of Iranian and Russian personnel; the ensuing diplomatic crisis could seriously affect not only Russian-U.S. trade but also cooperation on international matters, including the war on terrorism.

Effect on Iranian Domestic Policies

An attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities that are viewed by most Iranians as a symbol of national pride and technological progress would provide the Iranian mullahs the necessary justification to intensify their crackdown on dissidents and moderates, whom the hawks are likely to brand as agents of foreign powers. It is equally plausible that, fearing such a backlash, domestic opposition forces in Iran would band together with Iran’s new hawkish majority in parliament and abandon their calls and protests for reform.

Likely Responses to an Attack by Iran’s Conservative Government

Unlike Iraq, which in June 1981 was in the midst of a major war with Iran and lacked the military means to retaliate for Israel’s attack on its nuclear reactor in Osirak, Iran is not only capable but very likely to respond to a preemptive attack on its nuclear facilities. Various Iranian leaders have already promised very strong reactions to such an event. On July 5, 2004, during a visit to Hamedan in western Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei told a crowd of thousands: “the United States says that we have endangered their interests... if anyone invades our nation, we will jeopardize their interests around the world.”<35> In December 2003, Iran’s Air Force Commander General Seyed Reza Pardis, said in response to statements by Israeli Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz that if Israel attacks Iran it will be “digging its own grave.”<36> Considering the extensive financial and national policy investment Iran has committed to its nuclear projects, it is almost certain that an attack by Israel or the United States would result in immediate retaliation. A likely scenario includes an immediate Iranian missile counterattack on Israel and U.S. bases in the Gulf, followed by a very serious effort to destabilize Iraq and foment all-out confrontation between the United States and Iraq’s Shi'i majority. Iran could also opt to destabilize Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states with a significant Shi'i population, and induce Lebanese Hizbullah to launch a series of rocket attacks on Northern Israel.

Immediate Iranian Retaliatory Missile Attacks and Countermeasures

Open source information suggests that currently Iran possesses more than 500 Shehab ballistic missiles. Most of these missiles are Shehab-1 and -2, with a 300- to 500-kilometer (km) range and a 700- to 985-kilogram (kg) payload.<37> With these missiles, Iran is capable of reaching U.S. bases in Oman, Qatar, Kuwait, and Iraq. Iran is also believed to possess 25 to100 Shehab-3 ballistic missiles, displayed in a military parade marking the anniversary of the Iran-Iraq war on September 22, 2003.<38> The Shehab-3 has a 1,300km range, a 700kg payload, and is capable of reaching Israeli cities and bases (See: Chart 1). Iran could launch dozens of these ballistic missiles in the direction of Israel; and U.S. targets in the region, over a long period, depending on the size of the Iranian arsenal, the desired severity of the counterattack, and the ability of U.S. forces to find and destroy their missile launchers.

On the one hand, the destructive potential of these ballistic missile systems should not be underestimated. Although these Scud variants are relatively inaccurate - they are certainly incapable of the pinpoint accuracy associated with U.S. cruise missiles and guided munitions - they do have much greater accuracy and higher payloads than the Iraqi al-Husseins that turned out a mediocre CEP (circular error probability) of 1 to 3km in 1991.<39> Multiple missiles attacks on U.S. or Israeli targets carrying large warheads can potentially be very deadly, as demonstrated by an Iraqi Scud attack on barracks in Saudi Arabia in early 1991. It turned out to be the deadliest such incident of the entire war for U.S. troops, killing 28 and injuring 98.<40>

On the other hand, even given their relative improvements in accuracy, this may be a risk that the United States or Israel would be willing to take. Administration officials may argue that it is preferable to take on Iran now, rather than allow more time to improve its existing missiles and develop the Shehab-4. In fact, some Israeli officials claim that Israel currently has the wherewithal to neutralize Iran’s ballistic missile arsenal using the Arrow anti-ballistic missile system, which some Israelis claim is fully capable of defending Israel from the Shehab-3. Arye Herzog, head of the Israeli Homa Missile Defense Program at the Israeli Defense Ministry, stated on July 8, 2003: “We are fully capable of dealing with whatever the Iranians have today, which is the Shahab-3.”<41>

Chart 1: Iran’s Ballistic Missile Capabilities<42>

Ballistic Missile System
Inventory
Range
Payload
CEP - circular error of probability
Possible Targets in the Region

Shehab-1
“Meteor”
(Scud-B variant)
200-300
300km
985kg
450m<43>
U.S. bases in the Gulf:
1. Ali Salem Airbase in Kuwait
2. Camp Dawhah Army base in Kuwait
3. al-Udeid Airbase and Army base in Qatar
4. al-Seeb Airbase in Oman
5. Various U.S. bases in Iraq

Shehab-2
(Scud-C variant)
100-150
500km
700kg
50m<44>

Shehab-3
(Nodong variant)
25-100
1,300km
700kg
190m<45>
Israeli cities & targets:
1. Tel-Aviv
2. Haifa
3. Beir-Shiva
4. Dimona




It is difficult to assess whether the Israeli Arrow system is truly capable of neutralizing Iran’s arsenal of Shehab-3 as it has yet to be battle tested. In 1991, the American Patriot system deployed in Saudi Arabia and Israel was hailed as a “Scud-Buster” and during the 1991 Gulf War, U.S. officials repeatedly claimed that it had been able to intercept and neutralize the majority of Iraqi Scud missiles launched at Israel and Saudi Arabia. However, a Congressional investigation of the Patriot’s performance led by Joseph Cirincione revealed that administration claims of success were highly exaggerated for political effect and in actuality, the Patriots were less that 10% successful in intercepting Iraqi Scuds. Cirincione told 60 Minutes, “the best evidence that we found supports between two and four intercepts out of 44.”<46> More than a decade later, during Operation Iraqi Freedom, news reports reveal that the Patriot has yet to live up to its promise. Its continued inability to intercept Iraqi missiles has been compounded by its tendency to shoot down friendly allied fighter planes.<47> Israel’s Arrow system looks good on paper, and in its latest test on July 29, 2004, off the coast of California it successfully intercepted a confiscated Iraqi SCUD, but its true combat potential remains to be seen.<48>

Destabilizing Iraq by Inducing the Shi'a to Rise Up Against the U.S. Occupation

Iran’s most dangerous potential response to an American or Israeli attack on its nuclear facilities might be a serious and sustained Iranian effort to destabilize post-war Iraq. Coalition forces there have faced a deadly insurgency, primarily from Iraqi Sunnis and a small number of foreign Jihadis who have infiltrated Iraq to target Coalition forces and their allies in Iraq. Deadly suicide bombings and mortar attacks have become almost a daily occurrence, claiming the lives of hundreds of Coalition personnel and thousands of Iraqis, most of whom have been Iraqi Shi'a. The insurgents have also struck at various Iraqi officials who have cooperated with the Coalition authorities. However thus far, with the exception of the relatively marginal Muqtada al-Sadr and his followers in the Mahdi Army, the Shi'a of Iraq have taken a rather pragmatic approach to the situation on the ground. Most Iraqi Shi'a leaders and their followers opposed neither the U.S. presence in Iraq nor the overthrow of the Saddam Hussein regime. In fact, most Shi'a have shown remarkable restraint and avoided being dragged into a civil war, reasoning that the Shi'a majority will be the primary beneficiary of the popular elections scheduled for January 2005.

So far, Iran and its allies in the region have encouraged the Iraqi Shi'a to continue to show restraint and work for social stability in post-war Iraq, even in the face of what would otherwise be deemed egregious provocations, such as the bombing of Shi'a holy sites in Karbala, Najaf, and Baghdad that killed hundreds of Shi'a, including dozens of Iranian pilgrims.<49> Many in Iran have reasoned that they will benefit greatly from a stable Iraq ruled by a Shi'a government, which will necessarily be closer to Iran by virtue of shared religious and historical affiliations. However, in the event of an attack on Iran, this calculus would likely yield to a desire for revenge. In such a scenario, Iranian Revolutionary Guards could cross the border in great numbers to promote a full-blown guerrilla war against the large U.S. presence in Iraq. Iranian intelligence agents, who are currently in Iraq in significant numbers, could provoke clashes between the U.S. forces and Shi'a majority, precipitating a general uprising against Coalition forces in Iraq. It is important to note that, unlike the foreign Salafi Jihadi fighters (a la Abu Musab al Zarqawi and his Tawhid network) who infiltrated Iraq to fight the Americans and are despised by the Iraqi Shi'a, Iranian infiltrators in Iraq are likely to be seen by Iraqi Shi'a in a very different light.

Iran’s Formidable List of Allies in Post-War Iraq

Most major Iraqi Shi'a groups have considerable connections with Iran due primarily to common religious, cultural, and historical bonds. Throughout centuries of struggle against the more numerous, sometimes hostile, Sunni Arab majority in the Middle East, the Shi'a of Iran and Iraq have more often than not come out on the short end of the stick. The Iraqi Shi'a were Saddam’s primary enemies and victims; tens of thousands of them were killed, imprisoned, and abused by the secular ruling Ba'ath party. Similarly, following the Iranian Revolution, Iran took the brunt of Saddam Hussein’s aggression and military adventurism. In the eight-year-long Iran-Iraq war, which began with Iraq’s invasion of Iranian territory in 1980, Iran suffered 500,000 to 600,000 casualties, including up to 60,000 Iranians killed by Iraqi chemical weapons.<50> Under Ba'ath Party rule, many Iraqi Shi'a escaped Saddam’s tyranny and sought refuge in Shi'i Iran. As a result, many of Iraq’s leading Shi'i figures and organizations have deep roots and affiliations inside Iran.

The list of Iranian allies in Iraq is impressive. Iraq’s most influential leader and the highest-ranking religious cleric, Grand Ayatollah Ali al-Sistani, is an Iranian national who has lived in Najaf, Iraq for most of his professional life.<51> Since the fall of the Ba'ath regime, al-Sistani has wielded remarkable influence over the Iraqi Shi'a population who see him as “marjaa` al taqlid,” their highest religious authority and the leader worthy of emulation. In January, when Sistani called on Iraqi Shi'a to undertake peaceful demonstrations demanding immediate free elections, in the absence of UN verification, tens of thousands of Iraqi Shi'a poured into the streets of Baghdad, Basra, Karbala, and Najaf. This forced the Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) to request that the United Nations send a delegation to convince Sistani that Iraq was not ready to hold elections before 2005. The CPA also had to invite the United Nations to participate in the selection of an Interim Iraqi Government and promise the Iraqi Shi'a free and direct elections by January 2005 as demanded by Grand Ayatollah Sistani.

One of Iraq’s two most popular Shi'i organizations, the Supreme Council for Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) headed by Abdel Aziz al-Hakim, was founded by his brother Ayatollah Mohammed Baqr al-Hakim in Iran in the 1982; its military wing, the Badr Brigade, was trained by Revolutionary Guards in Iran. The Dawa party, founded in the 1950s, is the oldest of all Iraqi Shi'a parties in Iraq. This group achieved prominence in the 1970s by targeting and attacking Saddam’s regime. Due to the ensuing suppression of the Dawa party, many of its members left Iraq and established two main factions, one located in Iran and the other in London. The Iran-based faction, “Islamic Dawa,” participated in the founding of the SCIRI in Tehran in 1982.<52>

Members of the Iraqi National Congress (INC) once favored by the Americans, including Ahmad Chalabi, have turned out to have very strong connections to the Iran. In the last few months, various reports have alleged that the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has hard evidence that INC officials, including

Ahmad Chalabi and his intelligence chief, Aras Karim Habib, passed sensitive information about U.S. military operations in Iraq to Iranian intelligence, including the breaking of Iran’s intelligence communication codes. Indeed, some U.S. intelligence officials claim that Aras Habib has been an Iranian agent for years and was part of an elaborate Iranian plan to provide inaccurate intelligence on Iraqi WMD to encourage the United States to overthrow Saddam Hussein, Iran’s greatest enemy.

According to an intelligence source in Washington, “it’s clear that the Iranians had us for breakfast, lunch and dinner... Iranian intelligence has been manipulating the US for several years through Chalabi.”<53> This view was seconded by Larry Johnson, former senior counter terror official at the CIA and the State Department, who added: “When the story ultimately comes out we’ll see that Iran has run one of the most masterful intelligence operations in history. They persuaded the U.S. and Britain to dispose of its greatest enemy.”<54> In recent weeks, the U.S. Justice Department has launched an investigation into the dealings of the Ahmed Chalabi and his associates, specifically to discover whether American secrets in Iraq were compromised for Iran’s benefit. U.S. and Iraqi forces raided his house in Baghdad and are still looking to arrest Aras Habib. Dr. Chalabi and his associates deny any wrongdoing and claim that the Central Intelligence Agency is setting him up.

Regardless of the veracity of these accusations, it is evident that many in the INC have had very close relations with the Iranian government and whereas Iran’s list of allies in post-war Iraq is growing apace, the list of American allies is growing thin. While most of these Shi'i organizations actively or passively supported the overthrow of Saddam’s secular regime, it is not likely that any of these groups would side with the United States in the event of an attack on Iran. After all, Iran has shielded, supported, and nurtured these organizations for decades, since long before anyone in the West showed any sincere interest in the welfare of the Iraqi Shi'a or their liberation from the Ba'athist yoke.

Ironically, Muqtada al-Sadr and his Mahdi Army are not traditional allies of Iran; Sadr has been vociferous in his opposition to Iranian influence in Iraq. Muqtada al-Sadr is the son of the late Muhammed Sadiq al-Sadr who was killed by Saddam in 1999, and is a relative of the former Grand Ayattolah Mohammad Baqr al-Sadr.<55> The young and inexperienced Muqtada favors a more “nativist” approach to Shi'i rule in Iraq, and previously called on the Iran-born al-Sistani and Iran-supported al-Hakim to leave Iraq.<56> However, ever since the CPA shut down his Hawza newpaper and issued a warrant for his arrest for the killing of Abd al-Majid al-Khoei a rival Shi'i cleric, Sadr and his Mahdi Army militia have been involved in various clashes with Coalition troops around Iraq.

In the event of an American or Israeli attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities, it is likely that Iran would attempt to take advantage of its extensive list of allies in Iraq to further sour the U.S. occupation and provoke clashes between U.S. troops and Iraqi Shi'a, which may well result in a popular Iraqi Shi'a uprising against the American presence in Iraq. In such an event, American casualties and costs would multiply exponentially as Iraq further disintegrates into Lebanon-style violence. Such developments would prove disastrous for U.S. interests in the Middle East and negate any perceived or actual benefits that may be gained from destroying Iran’s nuclear facilities. The fact is that the strategic usefulness of a successful preemptive attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities is likely to be short-lived if the United States gets further bogged down in Iraq.

Fool’s Gold - The Limits of Military Success in Recent Middle Eastern History

Israel’s Remarkable Air Force Victory Over Syria in 1982

Middle Eastern history is rife with examples of the short-lived usefulness of overwhelming military successes. None may be more relevant than Israel’s stunning victory over Syrian troops during the onset of “Mivzaa' Shlom Hagalil,” Israel’s invasion of Lebanon. In the period June 6-11, 1982, the Israeli Air Force scored one of the most impressive military achievements in the history of modern warfare. Within a matter of hours, the Israeli Air Force annihilated Syria’s surface-to-air missile batteries in the Beka'a Valley and downed 25 Syrian fighter planes.<57> Over the next few days, the Israelis virtually decimated the Syrian Air Force by shooting down a total of approximately 80 Syrian fighter planes, without a single Israeli casualty.<58> The first few months of the Israeli invasion were very favorable to the IDF (Israeli Defense Forces), who where able to force their way north to Beirut while overpowering Syria’s troops in Lebanon and compel Palestinian Liberation Organization guerrillas to accept an American-brokered cease-fire plan that included the relocation of all Palestinian fighters to Tunisia.

Syria’s Revenge in Lebanon & the Road to Israel’s First Military Defeat

Soon after these stunning Israeli achievements in Lebanon, Israel’s fortunes began to decline rapidly in the face of Syrian payback. Unable to confront Israel in a conventional military conflict due to inferior training, logistics and Soviet weaponry, the Syrian Allawi leadership embarked, with the help of Iran, on a full blown campaign to target the pro-Israeli Lebanese factions and Christian Maronite-dominated Lebanese government, while nurturing the Lebanese Shi'i militias. Shortly thereafter, on September 14, 1982, Lebanon’s President and Israel’s foremost ally, Bashir Gemayel was assassinated by a Syrian agent.<59> In the following years, the Lebanese Shi'i militias headed by AMAL, Lebanese Islamic Jihad and later Hizbullah carried out a relentless guerrilla war against Israeli forces in Lebanon and their allies, including the U.S. Marines stationed in Beirut. By 1985, this guerrilla warfare waged by the Shi'i militias forced the IDF to withdraw from most of Lebanon, limiting Israeli presence to a narrow security zone in South Lebanon. By the end of the 1980s, Syria emerged as the clear benefactor in Lebanon. In 1989, Syria was recognized at an Arab League summit in Taif, Saudi Arabia, as the primary powerhouse in Lebanon by most Lebanese factions and Arab countries - and tasked therefore with disarming the Lebanese militias and restoring order at the end of the civil war in Lebanon.

In 2000, Israel withdrew from Southern Lebanon, after which Hizbullah decimated the Israeli-trained and financed South Lebanon Army. In less than three years, Israel’s once promising invasion and brilliant military victory had turned into a guerrilla war nightmare, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of Israeli soldiers, more than 241 American Marines and considerable turmoil within Israeli society. It was the first humiliating defeat of Israel’s once invincible military since its inception in the1940s.

By invading and occupying Iraq, the United States has inherited its own “South Lebanon” and is now responsible for managing 14 million Iraqi Shi'a. An attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities has the potential for a scenario similar to the Israeli experience in Lebanon. An initial successful military operation by the United States or Israel, followed by a long and very bloody campaign by Iran to destabilize a fragile post-war Iraq, could in turn develop into a full blown confrontation between U.S. forces and the Iraqi Shi'a who account for more that 60% of Iraq’s population. Such a scenario would spell disaster for U.S. interests in Iraq and the Middle East in the long-term, especially given the considerable difficulty and casualties the United States has already endured since the fall of Baghdad fighting Iraqi Sunni insurgents, foreign Salafi fighters, and members of the marginal Mahdi army.

Conclusion

An attack on Iranian nuclear facilities in Bushehr, Arak, and Natanz, could have various adverse effects on U.S. interests in the Middle East and the world. Most important, in the absence of evidence of an Iranian illegal nuclear program, an attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities by the U.S. or Israel would be likely to strengthen Iran’s international stature and reduce the threat of international sanctions against Iran. Such an event is more likely to embolden and expand Iran’s nuclear aspirations and capabilities in the long term.

On Monday July 19, 2004, President Bush stated that the United States is investigating any connection between Iran and al-Qa'ida, and whether Iran played any role in the 9/11 attacks on the United States.<60> A day before, acting CIA chief John McLaughlin told Fox News that eight of the 9/11 hijackers traveled through Iran but added, “however, I would stop there and say we have no evidence that there is some sort of official sanction by the Government of Iran for this activity.”<61> These reports come on the heels of news articles stating that the administration has examined the possibility of a preemptive strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities. It remains to be seen whether the timing of these revelations is just coincidence, election year politicking, or the inception of a campaign aimed at cultivating domestic support for an attack on Iran. Whether talk of a preemptive attack on Iran’s nuclear facilities is a likely scenario or just bravado and journalistic hype remains to be seen, but one thing is for certain, it would not be just another Osirak.

<1> Arnaud de Borchgrave, “Iran in bombsights?” Washington Times, July 5, 2004, .
<2> “108th Congress, 2nd Session, H.CON.RES.398, Concurrent Resolution,” May 6, 2004, .
<3> “Israel’s plans for Iran strikes,” Jane’s, July 16, 2004, .
<4> de Borchgrave, “Iran in bombsights?”
<5> “Mossad head: Nuclear Iran is worst-ever threat to Israel,” Haaretz, November 17, 2003, .
<6> “Shalom: there is no intention to attack nuclear facilities in Iran,” Maariv, November 11, 2003, .
<7> Ross Dunn, “Israel threatens strikes on Iranian nuclear targets,” The Scotsman, November 23, 2003, .
<8> “Israel ready to launch preemptive strike on nuclear sites in Iran,” AFP, 11 October 2003, .
<9> “Iran Signs Additional Protocol on Nuclear Safeguards,” IAEA, December 18, 2003, .
<10> “Implementation of the NPT Safeguards Agreement in the Islamic Republic of Iran - Resolution adopted by the Board on 18 June 2004,” IAEA, June 18, 2004, .
<11> “Implementation of the NPT Safeguards Agreement in the Islamic Republic of Iran-Report by the Director General,” IAEA, June 1, 2004, .
<12> Ibid.
<13> Louis Charbonneau, “ElBaradei wary of taking Iran to Security Council,” Reuters, July 8, 2004, .
<14> Ibid.
<15> Ibid.
<16> “Sanctions against Iran ”unacceptable" Russian minister," AFP, November 17, 2003, ; de Borchgrave, “Iran in bombsights?”.
<17> Marshal Breit, “Iran’s Programs to Produce Plutonium and Enriched Uranium - Carnegie Fact Sheet,” Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, April 1, 2004, .
<18> Rasha Saad, “Heating Up,” Al-Ahram Weekly, July 1, 2004, .
<19> “Group: Iran’s Nuke Program Growing,” The Associated Press, 15 August 2002; in New York Times, .
<20> “Natanz,” Global Security, .
<21> Breit, “Iran’s Programs to Produce Plutonium and Enriched Uranium - Carnegie Fact Sheet.”
<22> “Natanz,” Global Security.
<23> “Implementation of the NPT Safeguards Agreement in the Islamic Republic of Iran-Report by the Director General,” IAEA, November 10, 2003, .
<24> Breit, “Iran’s Programs to Produce Plutonium and Enriched Uranium - Carnegie Fact Sheet.”
<25> Ibid.
<26> Yiftah Shapir, “Iranian Missiles: The Nature of the Threat,” Jaffe Center for Strategic Studies, July 9, 2003, .
<27> “S-300P,” Missile Threat, .
<28> Imad Khadduri, Iraq’s Nuclear Mirage, Memoirs and Delusions (Toronto: Springhead Publishers, 2003), p. 82.
<29> “Crossfire transcript,” CNN, February 7, 2003, .
<30> “Security Council Resolutions Concerning Iraq,” U.S. Department of State, November 8, 2002, .
<31> “Implementation of the NPT Safeguards Agreement in the Islamic Republic of Iran-Report by the Director General,” IAEA, November 10, 2003.
<32> Ibid.
<33> “Implementation of the NPT Safeguards Agreement in the Islamic Republic of Iran-Report by the Director General,” IAEA, February 24, 2004, .
<34> William Broad, “Uranium Traveled to Iran Via Russia, Inspectors Find,” New York Times, February 28, 2004, .
<35> “Iran warns against an invasion by any country,” Associated Press, July 5, 2004, .
<36> Miranda Eeles, “Iran warns against Israeli strike,” BBC, December 22, 2003, .
<37> “Iran Missile Overview and Capabilities,” Nuclear Threat Initiative, .
<38> “Iran demonstrates military capabilities, Shahab-3 missile,” Tehran Vision of the Islamic Republic Network 1, September 22, 2003, in FBIS Document IAP20030922000056.
<39> “SS-1C ‘Scud B’.” Missile Systems of the World (AMI international, 1999), p. 528.
<40> “Iraq’s missiles remain a threat, despite advances in U.S. technology,” Associated Press, October 21, 2002, .
<41> “Defense Official: Arrow System Provides ‘Full Protection’ Against Iran’s Shahab-3,” IDF Radio (Tel Aviv), July 8, 2003; in FBIS document GMP20030708000028.
<42> “Iran: Weapons of Mass Destruction Capabilities and Programs,” CNS, 2004, ; “Iran Missile Capabilities Overview,” Nuclear Threat Initiative.
<43> “SCUD B Shahab-1,” Federation of American Scientists, .
<44> “Shihab-2,” Federation of American Scientists, .
<45> “Shahab-3/Zelzal-3,” Federation of American Scientists, .
<46> “The Patriot Flawed?” CBS, June 27, 2004, .
<47> Ibid.
<48> Amos Harel, “Arrow anti-missile defense system successfully tested in U.S.” Haaretz, July 30, 2004, .
<49> “Syria Condemns the Heinous Attacks and Calls on the Iraqi People to Hold on to Their National Unity,” Teshreen, March 3, 2004, ; “Bloody Explosion in Karbala and Baghdad Aimed at Shi'a Ashura Ceremonies,” Alquds, March 3, 2004, ; “Press Horror at Iraqi Massacres,” BBC, March 3, 2004, .
<50> Javed Ali, “Chemical Weapons and the Iran-Iraq War: A Case Study in Noncompliance,” Nonproliferation Review (Spring 2001), .
<51> Graham E. Fuller, “Islamist Politics in Iraq after Saddam Hussein,” United States Institute of Peace, Special Report 108 (August 2003), .
<52> Ibid.
<53> Julian Borger, “US intelligence fears Iran duped hawks into Iraq war,” Guardian, May 25, 2004, .
<54> Ibid.
<55> “Who is Muqtada al-Sadr?” CNN, April 6, 2004, .
<56> Graham E. Fuller, “Islamist Politics in Iraq after Saddam Hussein.”
<57> “Lebanon War ('Peace for the Galilee'),” Israeli Air Force Official Website, .
<58> “Israeli Air Force,” Aeroflight, .
<59> Thomas L. Friedman, From Beirut to Jerusalem (New York: Anchor Books, 1990), p. 157-158.
<60> "Bu
The War Within <"Simon Says..."> - Deb Simon - tapirlover@aol.com @ 09:33:01
From mild-mannered shoe-shine puppy to.Underdog! I will fight and expose the forces of evil wherever they are!
I found this article this morning and it was so well written and concise I had to add it to my blog. I suggest you make copies and e-mail everyone you know this and spread it far and wide.





keeping the spirit of exposing the truth alive



The war within America


By ABID ULLAH JAN
Published: Oct 18, 2004


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AbstractThe more powerful the United States becomes, the more frightened the Americans are. Why is that?

The reason is that those who are busy in making the US strong by promoting war abroad are the ones who are keeping the nation frightened to keep themselves in power and to keep the systems alive that, in turn, sustain them in power. Without keeping them frightened without promoting a “war within Islam,”<1> the people at the helm of affairs in the US cannot hijack democracy and usurp their freedom and money.

There have been voices about the creeping tyranny in the US since long. However, 9/11 redoubled the reaction as at this point chicanery and deceit crossed all limits. The US is now fully involved in a struggle to determine its own nature and values, with serious implications for the Muslim world in particular and the rest of the world in general. What role can its victims, threatened and affected as they are by its struggle, play in bringing about a more peaceful and positive outcome of the war within America?

Devising a judicious approach requires a finely grained understanding of the ideologues from Bush and his team members to a whole range of Neo-cons in the US who criticize Muslims of blindly following some medieval myths are themselves neck deep in blood of thousands of innocent beings just for their inner belief of paving the way for the second coming of Jesus.

Such an understanding would help the rest of the world in identifying appropriate partners and set realistic goals and means to discourage further evolution of this blood thirsty ideology of hate.

The rest of the world has three goals in regard to militarized United States in the hands of benighted war lords. First it wants to prevent the spread of occupations, extremism, human rights abuses and violence. Second, in doing so, it needs to avoid the impression that the rest of the world “hates Americans and their freedom.” And third, in the longer run, it must help the Americans find ways to help address the deeper causes and malfunctioning of their political system that brings such people to the top who played a historical role in promoting many monsters from Hitler to Saddam and who continue to do so in other parts of the world. The world needs to help the Americans understand causes that glorify militant radicalism and to encourage a move toward real democratization.

The stark contrast in what appears on the so-called mainstream media and what the whole world watches on the weblogs shows the extent of conflicts that mark the present day United States. And the stark difference in the way the reality is projected on both sides of the divide makes the picture more confusing. It becomes easier to sort the actors if one thinks of them not as falling along a spectrum but as belonging to two distinct categories. One that proves that the US system and resources have been exploited by a few elite and the other being the alleged elite itself ignores all the facts that are being unearthed with increasing frequency.

It is then possible to see which category is more concerned about freedom at home and abroad, democracy
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #66
97. YOU HAVE JUST UNLEASH THE DRAGON!!!!!!!!!!
bet you she is still reading. OMG!!!!!

What the fuck is this??

America Wake up!

The Saga continues.............
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 09:08 AM
Response to Original message
56. Kicking
to first page to catch up
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #56
67. What I would like to know is
HOW is Karl going to go about getting this message out? I seriously doubt his book will get much "air time". You know Rove and Ashcroft are going to be calling CNN, MSNBC, etc. and threaten them if they dare air somehting like this. You may not be able to say - but anything short of a press conference - I don't think people are going to hear it.

Look what Kitty Kelly said about the Bush's - and it had literally zero media effect. I hope there is a great plan in place and it has got to happen soon.

If the people who want the truth exposed can help in the effort - than ask for our help and lets do it. I just don't see the media complying - or the Bush lovers believing one word, as usual.
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nostalgicaboutmyfutr Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 11:37 AM
Response to Original message
68. A couple Suggestions For KarlCo
You have to redo that powerpoint for who may soon become your audience....

- Audience - folks who have less interest in the material and less background in its assumptions
- remove the dramatic action, play better and makes the points simply
- put it on a white background
- reduce the slides by half
- you should be using the presentation to give an overview of what you are trying to portray...lead them to a website(s) for more indepth info
- leave the audience with three pieces of information that they can act on and are interested in persueing

Secondly...you have to reduce the info into an elevator pitch/overview...describe what your thesis is in less than 10 lines of an email...then go into depth

just suggesting how to better speak to what may become your new audience...
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nostalgicaboutmyfutr Donating Member (991 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #68
69. evidense vs. conjecture
btw...i feel that evidence is only conjecture or opinion until it is presented in a court of law or committee hearing...good luck.
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 11:48 AM
Response to Reply #69
70. True - but not plausible
have you read about Stanley Hilton's case? He has one and yet can't get a court to hear it.

We've got a media that won't report and courts that won't hear. Which doesn't leave us many choices.
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:03 PM
Response to Reply #68
114. Get the facts from PPT and book
see the PPT at www.summeroftruth.org and pay very close attention to details and names and dates

read the book - plenty of "non-conjecture"

www.rbnlive.com/books.html

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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 11:50 AM
Response to Original message
71. Karl A fraud - Apparently NOT


http://karmakat.typepad.com/picasso_dreams/2004/10/karl_schwarz_an.html

Snip:

UPDATE: I had legitimate questions about Karl Schwarz. After days of correspondence with him and a few of his associates, it appears that he is the real deal. Please see my apology to Mr. Schwarz. You can find it here: http://karmakat.typepad.com/picasso_dreams/2004/10/teh_real_karl_s.html.

Also, check out the John Kerry forum, as he has answered many questions I brought up. I believe he jumps in on Page 3 or 4. It's a long thread. I am consolidating it and will post it here this afternoon.

Finally, Mr. Schwarz has graciously allowed me to publish Chapter 7 of his book, "One Way Ticket to Crawford", available at RBNLive.com. He writes about a a dirty bomb and eth FBI's lack of interest in the subject. It is posted here.



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Kindigger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 12:22 PM
Response to Reply #71
72. Please Join Us
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 12:48 PM by dragndust
Please join johnkerry.com in flooding Sinclair with Karl's latest.

www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/102004Schwarz/102004schwarz.html

Thank you all & Karl...

ROCK ON!
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #72
73. Kicking Back to the Front Page
Edited on Wed Oct-20-04 01:01 PM by TNOE
Welcome to DU! :hi:

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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 01:01 PM
Response to Original message
74. Hey KWBS, here's some unanswered questions from ProdigalJunkMail.
ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-18-04 12:23 PM
Response to Reply #44

47. was looking for articles or anything


thanks for the answer...this is something that might have been included with the letter (or at least its web-version) to alleviate the people like me who are tired of seeing these sorts of things show up and then be totally debunked...it has turned many of us jaded against just about anything that shows up on the net. PATMOS being an acronym that frequently shows up...it is easy to see where this would be doubted. Who are some of the companies held under PATMOS? Are any of them something that we could read about? I heard (after further research) that there were about 30 such companies.

THANKS!
theProdigal


ProdigalJunkMail (1000+ posts) Mon Oct-18-04 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #42

49. would still like to know more about PATMOS


as a holding company, what patents are held? What companies comprise the PATMOS world? Are there some news articles on any of the companies that fly their banner beneath that of PATMOS?

tP


robertpaulsen's note to KWBS: I realize you responded to this question on the last thread with the response NOT YET. I understand that there may be more pressing matters, but many of us here would appreciate a more full understanding of your company and who you are affiliated with when you feel the time is right. Thank you for your time and efforts.

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Tapirlover Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 02:50 PM
Response to Reply #74
75. kick
bump:)
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #75
76. and another bumb just for good measure
:bounce:
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Tapirlover Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 05:27 PM
Response to Reply #76
77. karl
Bump..again
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Tapirlover Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #77
78. karl
bump bump
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Tapirlover Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #78
79. fun stuff
www.secondterm.us/
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 07:54 PM
Response to Reply #74
80. Patmos by KWBS
We named the company Patmos for the Greek island where Revelations was written according to the Bible.

Not an apocalyptic matter - Patmos is revelations in nanotechnology.

The two biggest firms in CNT (carbon nanotubes) are CNI of Houston, TX, affiliated with Rice Univ and KB&R (Halliburton). That should tell you all you need to know as to why we don't advertise or disclose what we do.

The other major competitor is HipCo, affiliated with Penn State. There are smaller ones like SWeNT affiliated with U of Oklahoma, NanoLab - affiliated with Boston U, etc.

Both HipCO and CNI produce CNTs at about 35-50% purity with their process and after clean up with acid rinses are at 70-75% purity and the morphology (integrity) is harmed.

We come out of the first step 80-85% pure, much high morphology and in clean up we reach >95% to >99.5% purtity with integrity intact.

We control the machine processes that make that possible.

That is quite frightening to CNI and HipCO for this is a $1 trillion per year industry within 5 years or so.

How we use such high purity nanotubes for science, medical and other advancement is not a matter we discuss right now with anyone outside of the team. We are not aligned with one university, multiple universities each selected for their core expertise in areas we are interested in.

You have all you are entitled to know at this time and I am not providing information that is NOT in my best interest business wise.

Focus on the ball, Patmos is not running for President of the United States.

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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:20 PM
Response to Reply #80
116. the 'ball' as you put it
is whether or not you are who you claim to be. And NO, it does not tell me all I need to know as to why you don't disclose what we do? Aren't patents a matter of public record? Why can I not find ANYTHING registered to PATMOS?

I don't care about your competitors; I want to know about you. Are you who you claim to be?

The questions you ask in your little note to the Whitehouse are valid and deserve an answer...but you run the risk of creating more of an issue about yourself than the questions by hiding behind this smokescreen...and right now your smokescreen is running pretty thick...patents, please. They are public record...list one patent in regard to your CNT technology...then I might buy some of this...stop directing people to sights where they can buy your book...

theProdigal
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #116
118. My Personal Business
is just that. Millions are way ahead of you in figuring it out.

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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:20 AM
Response to Reply #118
123. horsehockey...
one...JUST ONE patent that you hold. I have found ZERO references to PATMOS NANOTECHNOLOGIES in any patent record searches I have done. I think millions are being DUPED by you. Until you provide evidence that you ARE WHO YOU SAY YOU ARE you are just another fraud like so many others we have seen in this political season.

One...just one. I would be willing to bet money at this point that you cannot do it. Come on...it should be a matter of public record. All patents are. Why are you throwing up this smokescreen? What are you hiding? What possible benefit is their to not making these issues go away other than to hide who you really are?

I think you need to answer these questions...otherwise...well, one hack is as good as another.

TheProdigal
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 08:11 AM
Response to Reply #123
125. 12 and none in the name
you are looking for.

My business is not your busines.

30+ patents being prepared right now.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 09:41 AM
Response to Reply #125
129. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 12:00 PM
Response to Reply #129
131. C'Mon Schwarz...give us an answer
we'd love to know who you REALLY are...I personally don't want to wait until April 1st for you to show your true colors...

theProdigal
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 04:49 PM
Response to Reply #131
143. C'mon PJM... give us an answer
Edited on Fri Oct-22-04 04:51 PM by steviet_2003
We'd really like to know who you are too! What is your CV? Why do you have a bug up your butt over KWBS? DU is a big tent, believe or not as you choose, you can always place him on ignore but you should not discourage anyone. Please don't attack newbies who have constructive arguments to offer. We lost DemStrategist in the same way.

Divide and conquer? hmmmm....
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 04:55 PM
Response to Reply #143
144. well, I am at a loss for the abbreviation CV...
Edited on Fri Oct-22-04 04:57 PM by ProdigalJunkMail
I assume you mean Curriculum Vitae but I don't know what that has to do this discussion...I am just a geek...I have not claimed to be other(there are several people well knowledged in who I am given my history here) but I have readily explained why I feel this way about this person. I feel he is full of shit. And yes, you should discourage people from lying about who they are to gain status and/or standing with another group. I am not attacking a newbie...I am attacking a person who has continually fled from discussions about his claims.

I am not the one playing games here...read all of the converstations (start with the polite ones if you like) between me and Schwarz and then determine if you think I am out of line. If you still do, then I don't think you are interested in the truth but are willing to be duped by yet another huckster.

theProdigal
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 05:39 PM
Response to Reply #144
151. Peace out, dude
He has been here 4 days and you want to know what patants he holds. I want to hear what he has to say. If you thing he is a plant or a disruptor, notify the mods, otherwise lets us all make out own judgements, ok.

Hopefully we all see the big picture, to get the BFEE in irons, ot at least out of office, IMHO, anyone that can present cogent arguments towards that end is welcome to express their opinion here.

peace.

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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 05:45 PM
Response to Reply #151
152. i am asking for people to make their own judgments
but also trying to get the facts from him so that we CAN make thos judgements. His responses to me it is apparent that he has something to hide. I just want him to come out and say, "hey, I am just some guy that has a beef with the administration...here it is." Why put up the claim of being a CEO? Something stinks...and the only person who can clear up the stench is the person who created it with his unwillingness to back up the claims he has made (which are critical to his message).

Sorry my attitude upsets you...I don't like being lied to.

theProdigal
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:07 PM
Response to Reply #152
154. We can agree to disagree
I don't see his non-response to you as an unwillingness. There are over 150 posts in this thread, and nearly 250 in the original. Many here have questions and I have read them all, but because many remain unanswered does not to me necessarily indicate a fraud.

Many people post here and all have their own agendas and schedules. I am willing to listen and comment, but not form a solid opinion necessarily without further information. I am making my own judgements, but do not want to influence others to make their judgement based upon my observations or need for timely confirmation of statements.

Moreso, I fear alienating a potentially powerful ally. That loss could be greater than giving the benefit of the doubt.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:10 PM
Response to Reply #154
155. ok...
we can agree to that for certain. :-) I just think that being duped by someone is going to be painful...and disheartening for many here. I just wish he had been a waiter or something...or not mentioned his business at all...

theProdigal
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highplainsdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 09:38 AM
Response to Reply #118
128. Your "personal business" stopped being merely personal
when you chose to promote yourself as a successful CEO of companies you named in your self-promotion. You've been using your claims to be a successful CEO and a (former) GOP insider to establish your credentials for writing this book and having your statements accepted. It's hypocritical of you to try to claim expertise, and then attack everyone asking you to establish those credentials. The Prodigal's questions are perfectly legitimate, and his doubts about you completely understandable.

We've had four miserable years of a dishonest administration that resorts to misdirection again and again to try to keep people's attention away from what should really concern them. I'd like you to stop trying to misdirect people here, and answer the questions your own claims have raised about your background.

Questions that are particularly relevant in light of your proclaiming yourself "the leader of The Movement" in one of your last posts in the long topic about you on the Kerry board, which the administrators and moderators there removed shortly afterward (wisely, in my opinion).

Anyone who believes that a highly successful CEO -- one who was once a GOP insider and was asked by other GOP insiders to run for office -- would have somehow escaped having a lot of news stories written about him, stories that could be turned up by Googling, is very naive.

But somehow you've managed to fly under the media radar, despite all your self-touted accomplishments.

Almost everything that turns up when I try to find information about you is simply your own self-promotion, or people echoing your self-promotion. You're doing a good job of using the Internet as a vast echo chamber while you promote yourself and peddle your book. You've latched onto a lot of suspicions and concerns many of us have had for many years about the Bushes and their cronies, and you're trying to market your version of those stories directly to us.

But you've yet to establish why anyone should believe that you have any real expertise on this subject. And I don't find the various excuses you've posted about why you haven't enlisted the help of investigative reporters at all credible, either.

I don't want to see people diverted from the actual campaign and real news stories by a self-promoting, self-proclaimed "leader of The Movement" who can't answer questions about his background. And I don't want to see serious charges against the Bush administration dismissed if their loudest proponent, the "leader of The Movement," turns out to be someone who can be very easily discredited by them.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #128
130. thanks for taking the time to write what I am thinking
and yet have not had the single block of time to sit and write!

theProdigal
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 07:14 PM
Response to Reply #128
194. Its now four days later
and still no one can explain why this is significant
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TheSubliminableKid Donating Member (41 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 08:00 PM
Response to Original message
81. bump >>>> May the Schwarz Be With You!
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Tapirlover Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-20-04 08:48 PM
Response to Reply #81
82. karl
never underestimate the power of the Schwarz!!!!
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 01:04 AM
Response to Reply #82
84. kicketty kick
:kick:
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 05:32 AM
Response to Original message
86. Mr. Worden's LAST STRAW
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl f. Worden
To: Carl f. Worden
Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2004 2:07 PM
Subject: THE LAST STRAW By Worden


THE LAST STRAW
Carl F. Worden



That's it, I've had it.

I've been a registered Republican since I pulled my first lever in a voting booth, and I've voted as a loyal Republican for Republican candidates consistently every year. I am 55 years of age. I am considered a right-wing Christian conservative and strict constitutionist who knows the Framers of the Constitution expected strict adherence to that original document unless and until it is amended.

You don't get much more conservative and constitutionally-minded than I am, and that is why I just cast my Oregon vote-by-mail ballot for Democrat John Kerry as the next president of the United States. So did my wife -- and she's a very independent thinker. I know there are thousands of lifelong Republican/Independent conservatives who are going to do the same thing on November 2nd, because they've written and told me so.

The absolute last straw for me took place at the Bush rally, held in Central Point, Oregon on October 14th. President Bush stayed in Jacksonville, Oregon overnight after the rally, and protesters and police clashed on the streets. I sent out a photo of a Jackson County Sheriff's Deputy, all Nazi's up in black leather riot control gear and grinning evilly as he shoved a woman holding her 5 year-old daughter. It wasn't the finest hour for local law enforcement, but even that wasn't the last straw for me. No, the last straw for me happened just before the Bush rally itself.

Three local teachers got tickets to the Bush rally, passed all the security checkpoints and scrutiny and got in. They never created or caused a disturbance, and they were perfectly peaceful members of the audience waiting to hear Bush speak. But before they got to hear Bush, they were expelled from the rally by Bush rally staff who objected to the words printed on the T-shirts they were wearing.

No, the words on the T-shirts the ladies were wearing did not disparage Bush, nor did they suggest support for Kerry or any other candidate. The words did not condemn or support the war in Iraq, nor did they slam any Administration policy. No, the T-shirts the three women wore showed an American flag, and under it the words, "Protect Our Civil Liberties". That was all -- I kid you not.

That was it. That was the last straw for me. That was the defining moment I'll never forget. That was my epiphany.

Bryan Platt, Chairman of the Jackson County Republican Central Committee, said he stood 100 percent behind the person who made the decision to exclude the women, removing any doubt that one or two individuals exceeded their authority and blew it. No, it was solid, Republican neo-conservative fascist policy on open display, and the Brown Shirts weren't about to apologize for it. No way.

I am now a man without a political party. I will never again register as a Republican unless the party returns to what it was before the fascists took it over. I'm certainly not a Democrat or a liberal, but I might just register as a Democrat to help them avoid mistakes in the next primary, like running another John Kerry for president. Any moderate, pro-gun southern Democrat would have easily swept Bush aside this election. As it is, the race is so close it could go either way at this point.

My decision to vote for Kerry was a vote to get Bush and his administration out. I could have voted for a third party candidate who couldn't possibly win, but that would have translated into a vote for Bush, and I just couldn't do that. Too many kids in uniform have already been killed and maimed for nothing, and I see it as my primary duty to save as many of them as I can. If my vote for a third party candidate means Bush wins and more kids come home dead and mutilated, then I have abrogated my duty as an American, as a Christian and as a decent human being. I didn't know better during the Vietnam War, when I voted for Nixon twice, but I would be without excuse if I did it again now.

This election is different: In this election, we all have to answer the call to vote wisely. Lives depend on it, and God is watching how we vote as well. When an individual sins, God deals with him individually. When a whole nation sins, God deals with the nation nationally. It's right there in the Bible.

The way I see it, the threat Bush presents is just too great. I know what Bush did with his first four years on good behavior, and so do you. What scares the bejeebers out of me is what Bush would do with four more years with nothing to lose -- and an assumed mandate from the people for what he did the first four. At least a Kerry Administration would be strapped down by a Republican Congress, so I'm not too worried about major gun control bills being passed, and as far as abortion is concerned, it really doesn't matter what a president believes, because that issue is decided only by the Judiciary Branch now.

Regardless of the proclaimed Bush position on abortion, he never issued an executive order banning any form of abortion because he knew such an order would be overturned by the courts. Oh, and that phony Late-Term Abortion Ban Bush signed? It's as good as dead -- and I have a niggling feeling it was intended to be killed even as they wrote it. The lower Federal Courts are already finding it unconstitutional, and why?, because the people who authored it left no possibility for a woman to use late term abortion to save her life, let alone to preserve her health. In lieu of that provision, any first year law student knew the federal courts would overturn it, so why did seasoned lawyers/legislators write it that way? Don't even try to convince me they overlooked something as obvious as that.

I still believe this election is going to Kerry, no matter what the polls predict. Last time, it was so close the Supreme Court had to decide the outcome. This time, a huge number of former Bush Republicans like me have bolted to Kerry. Unless a large number of former Gore supporters are going to vote for Bush this time, I don't see how Bush can get re-elected. Add to that the massive numbers of young voters who are registered to vote for the first time under threat of a draft, and I see Bush being shown the door by more than a close vote. But we'll see...

What I do know is that any party that would find the words, "Protect Our Civil Liberties" offensive or even threatening, is a party I won't belong to anymore.

That was the last straw.


Carl F. Worden
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:19 AM
Response to Reply #86
87. Is this a letter to the editor?
If so, where is it published? Do you have a link?
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 12:37 AM
Response to Reply #87
119. Link to article and a little info about Mr. Worden:

Link to article above at:

http://www.sierratimes.com/04/10/20/carlworden.htm

Apparently Mr. Worden is (or was as of 1999) "Liaison & Intelligence Officer
Southern Oregon Militia" cf.:
http://users.mo-net.com/mlindste/ml081899.html
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #119
126. Thank you for the link!
:thumbsup:
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:29 AM
Response to Reply #86
88. Heads up folks
http://dominantlee.tripod.com/

Goes much deeper, much higher.

OCTOBER SURPRISE IS SPINNING UP LIKE A HURRICANE
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:38 AM
Response to Reply #88
89. Another Republican says "JUST SAY NO to Bush"
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #89
90. Karl
can you tell us how you're going to get all the info you have into the mainstream media?

Do you have shows scheduled talking about your book?
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #88
92. Its going to have to go WAY higher
I don't think the brainwashed are going to associate William Bennet with Bush or this election. This will be nothing more than everyday fodder.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x921615

Connecting Bridas and the 9/11 dots effectively and openly, may be another story.
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 11:36 AM
Response to Reply #92
94. IT DOES
GO higher and much nastier
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 11:46 AM
Response to Reply #94
95. We've only got what? 13 days left
If whatever it is - is going to have an impact, the shit needs to hit the fan like right now, somehow and I just don't see how that's going to happen. Outside of passing your articles around, which many of us have been reasearching, organizing and distributing information for the past 3 1/2 years, with just trickles of success.

I am convinced NOTHING is going to happen or change things unless there is a big BLAST - they won't even release the CIA's 9/11 report for God's sake and you don't hear a peep from the right about that. Its as if they are AFRAID to learn that Bush might have really screwed up.

Lots of things in the air - 9/11, Plame case/indictments, sexual escapades, etc., but unless the media grabs onto a good juicy story (or the truth would be great too) - they're going to roll in on Nov. 2, steal the election and then God help us.

To think that Bush*/Cheney have been "good boys" for 4 years (ignoring or setting up 9/11, starting an illegal war for profit, using our soldiers as their own henchmen, etc.) - can you imagine what's coming down the pike the next 4? Its going to be too late is all I can say. If you have the power and the prestige you say you have - you're going to have to pull out all the stops and do it in a very short manner.

I don't doubt your sincerity nor your research, I'm just of the opinion now, it may be all too late.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 02:54 PM
Response to Reply #95
100. TNOE, I agree. I don't doubt Karl's sincerity, but I feel that posting
here at DU is just preaching to the choir. Something is going to have to be done now. Media blasts this stuff or something, or all may be lost! I think Kerry will win, but I want the tards that back Bush to know that this administration is nothing more than criminals and fascists!



Jennifer
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:14 PM
Response to Reply #100
104. Hi Jen
I LOVE LOVE LOVE your screen name. WElcome to DU :hi:

Yes, after 3 1/2 years, there have been so many times I've had my hopes up and thought for sure their house of cards would come crumbling down any day - just to see "the story" at the time wiped off the face of the earth (the news) - or made a non-issue by the talking heads. I think Kerry may win too - although I wonder sometimes why he even wants to - he is going to get handed such a mess, I have no idea how he can get us out of what Bush* has created in just 4 years. It will probably take us 10 years!! But we certainly can't afford 4 more years.

Yes, and I've got to admit there's a small piece of me that wants to tell a ton of people "see I told you so" - and watch all their exasperated faces when they learn the truth - and then watch them all become so indignightly righteous. BUT the greater part of me wants what is best for America, and get this crime, filth, scum off of my taxes and out of my White House!!!
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #104
106. Hi, TNOE!!! I know why Kerry wants to win...
Edited on Thu Oct-21-04 04:29 PM by hopeisontheway
because he does not want us to go to World War III!! I'm serious! It will happen if the chimp gets 4 more years. Other nations will see him as a global threat when he starts preempting a war with Iran, which he has said would happen so many times!! This is why we must stop him or this great country as we knew it will be lost! Other nations will have no choice but to bring him down by military force, just like Hitler!! We will be known as the Fourth Reich!!! Chimp supports have this warped fantasy like smirk that we are invincible, which is not true!! Other nations have threatened us with sanctions if this man gets another 4 years, whether we voted for him or not. The world hates us and chimp supporters just don't get it! Say "tax cuts" to them and they come running to you like flies to a moon-pie!!!

Yes, it will take us 10 years just to catch up on the science part alone of our once domineering country, which is why I'm almost sure MIGHT lead Kerry into a 1-term presidency because he has so much to clean up! I say might because he could possibly heal us very well, so I'm going to trust him. :)


Jennifer

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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:34 PM
Response to Reply #106
107. I agree 100% with you
I believe with all my heart that Kerry and Edwards both are good men with good hearts and want very much to do the right thing.

I did not know though that other nations had threatened us - but am not at all surprised. No doubt in my mind (hell, they've even said it) - they want endless war - for their profit. They want nothing less than the complete and total destruction of America - and I frankly don't know how stupid or brainwashed people have got to be not to see that.

I'm really praying Karl comes through and something HUGE happens, even if it is after the election. I want this administration being frogmarched and tried for their crimes.

Going away for the weekend, in case you respond and I don't get back to you. Thanks for being here on DU! We shall overcome!
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:52 PM
Response to Reply #107
108. Thanks TNOE!! I don't want anything to happen before the election...
because chimp will just pardon everyone. No, I want this to come out after the election (Karl's stuff and Stanley Hilton's lawsuit), I just want something like that CIA Report to be leaked to show that these people have something to hide!!! Let's hope that that report gets leaked!! The CIA doesn't like the chimp, so...here's hoping someone comes through!


Jennifer
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #88
99. Karl, I don't have time to go through all of this article. Can you...
Edited on Thu Oct-21-04 02:46 PM by hopeisontheway
elaborate more into what it is about?


Jennifer
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:08 PM
Response to Reply #99
101. It's Bennett's dominatrix, I believe.
Talking about all the harrassment she has endured trying to tell the truth about the Czar, from both the left and the right. Apparently, Michelangelo Signorile is the only reporter she has dealt with that she respects.
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TexasChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 03:23 PM
Response to Reply #101
102. Robert, thanks!!! May I ask who's Bennett?
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TNOE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:08 PM
Response to Reply #102
103. William Bennett
Repub who wrote a book on "VAlues" if I'm not mistaken. I'm sure others know more.
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:16 PM
Response to Reply #103
105. Drug Czar/Gambling Addict. Here's more on Bennett.
Here's a site with links to his bio:

http://www.mediatransparency.org/people/wbennett.htm

Its not mentioned above, but I believe Bennett is one of the original PNAC members.
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TorchTheWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:42 AM
Response to Reply #86
121. uh...
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl f. Worden
To: Carl f. Worden


ooooooooops...
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 11:33 AM
Response to Original message
93. BUSH FAMILY AGAINST BUSH
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 02:32 PM
Response to Reply #93
98. And I thought my Aunt Carole...
;-) :kick:
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robertpaulsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 04:54 PM
Response to Original message
109. Question for KWBS when you get the chance: what's up with Sibel Edmonds?
Earlier, you mentioned that Sibel Edmonds had some explosive information that she would be revealing soon. Are you talking about a revelation more explosive than her story to the Independent that "I saw papers that show US knew al-Qa'ida would attack cities with aeroplanes"?

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=507514

Are you in close contact or do you know someone who is frequently in touch with her? Is what she is going to reveal something that will occur before the election? Considering what damaging info she has already revealed with Ashcroft's gag order on her, I can only imagine (MIHOP) what info she knows that she hasn't revealed yet. Sounds like her revelations could be more explosive than the Pentagon Papers. I just hope the corporate media gives her the same attention that they gave Daniel Ellsburg, so the country might actually make an informed decision when they cast their vote November 2.
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 08:45 PM
Response to Reply #109
112. Sibel Edmonds and the GAG ORDER
Sibel did see those papers that purportedly was the reason for the Bush and Ashcroft gag orders put on her. That is not even close to the entire story.

Sibel translated documents that clearly showed that "drug trafficking, money laundering, foreign names and American names" were involved in the financing a preparations for 9-11. That is why the #1 demand to Bush is lift that gag order and let her cite each and every name in that list. What Sibel can cite totally contradicts the Bush lies about 9-11 and that the Saudi charities did it.

I have been in direct contact with Sibel and the Saudis.

If you go to www.summeroftruth.org and see that PPT that I did, distributed to many that were that the 9-11, Confronting the Truth event in NYC, you would better understand why they silenced Sibel.

She did not translate the 9-11, bin Laden, intends to attack that Bush and Ashcroft have alleged. That is a lie.

We have some of the names due to RICO investigations. She has all of the names, an no, cannot disclose those now without compromising something else.

THe pressure has to be focused straight at Bush and if he is not re-elected, then at Kerry.

See google for "Sibel Edmonds Baltimore" for an interview she did with Jim Hogue out of Vermont. I have been on his show 3 times and he and Craig Hill, www.hillsenatenow.org came to NYC to meet me.

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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #112
135. I don't understand why Sibel Edmond's doesn't just...................
spill the beans (all of it) to the media, like Daniel Ellsberg, and face the consequences. Maybe I'm missing something here but I can't understand why she doesn't just do it. I know it's easy for me to say when it will not be me facing prison but if what she says, and can prove, is true then there might be such an outcry that she will not face dire consequences.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 06:40 PM
Response to Original message
110. evening kick so I can find in the morning
Quite a thread.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 06:40 PM
Response to Original message
111. evening kick so I can find in the morning
Quite a thread.
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:05 PM
Response to Original message
115. New Link for Republicans NOT backing Bush
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-21-04 09:23 PM
Response to Original message
117. Charles Goyette Show, Phoenix
Monday morning 8am PDT

http://www.1100kfnx.com/goyette.htm

Covers all of Arizona, a swing state.

Going to keep bombing them.
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Tapirlover Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:11 AM
Response to Reply #117
122. outstanding
Keep at 'em,Karl
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 09:33 AM
Response to Original message
127. GET THE WORD OUT TO ALL DEM and crossover VOTERS
This was sent to me by a friend. I also read it on www.bushwatch.com
Voters beware when pushing All Democrat.
Karen


FYI: This note came from my neighborhood net:
Yesterday a friend voted early at a polling location in Austin. She voted straight Democratic. When she did the final check, lo and behold every vote was for the Democratic candidates except that it showed that she had voted for Bush/Cheney for president/vice pres.

She immediately got a poll official. On her vote, it was corrected. She called the Travis County Democratic headquarters. They took all her information. They told her that she wasn't the first to report a
similar incident and that they are looking into it.

So, if you haven't already voted, check before you leave the polling
booth!

Report any irregularities to your local Democratic headquarters.
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Tapirlover Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 12:35 PM
Response to Reply #127
132. get the word out
how creepy is that:evilfrown:
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ScaRBama Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:58 PM
Response to Reply #127
136. Karl.....Voting Machine Trouble?
Edited on Fri Oct-22-04 01:59 PM by ScaRBama
If this is true can you link us to a web site or a news outlet that's showing some follow up on the voting machine trouble?
The bushwatch site has no link to anything other than the quote itself.
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 12:49 PM
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133. BUSH PAYS OFF CORPORATE INTERESTS BEFORE ELECTION
Even John McCain thinks this is sleazy.

$140 billion tax giveaway to the big corporate backers of this president and the plundering of America.

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=6585282§ion=news

Spread the WORD.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 01:01 PM
Response to Reply #133
134. i think you're full of shit
answer the questions we have asked of you or go the fuck away...

theProdigal
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 03:52 PM
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137. I am legit as a bad case of George Bush Cancer
You folks figuring that out yet?

DC runs in fear from me because of 1.) a RICO caae I personally tried against Wall Street and US Govt on racketeering; and 2.) my book; and 3.) my stance on Bush and DC corruption on both sides of the aisle.

see next post, a convert

A Republican, one of hundreds of thousands.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 04:18 PM
Response to Reply #137
138. oooh...people running in fear of more of your bullshit
what a pantload...not only are you full of shit...you are also a complete joke.

theProdigal
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The Minus World Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #138
139. "Bullshit."
I've been watching the threads, reading Karl's posts attentively for quite some time now, and I'm glad that he's taking the time out to participate in a discussion with us.

It's understandable that you're interested in the legitimacy of his business dealings, just like everyone else is; yet you seem to be so consumed with shooting the messenger, that you're doing nothing to add to the discussion beyond adding to your own hysteria over his dubious identity. If you disagree with his message, then I'm sure he'd discuss things with you in a civil manner.

I, for one, am interested in what he has to say.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 04:32 PM
Response to Reply #139
140. i have tried to engage him in civil discussion
and he does NOTHING BUT AVOID anything that has to do with proving his identity. Therefore, he is full of shit. He simply refuses to answer any questions about things that would be public knowledge about his company or companies if they existed as anything more than fronts. I don't like to see causes I care about paraded around by frauds. The fact that he is incapable of proving who or what he claims to be makes his message moot. I think people should be able to say anything they want, but to mask yourself in something that you are not in order to gain legitimacy is dishonest and in this world of lying, cheating, stealing pieces of shit...he needs to be called out for what he is.

Like I said...I have given him SEVERAL chances to discuss in public in this forum the veracity of his claims to fame. He has avoided everyone. I would rather not be lied to but the likes of this person. And just a personal note...it isn't hysteria...it's fury...at one more lying piece of excrement.

theProdigal
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The Minus World Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #140
141. I understand your frustration,
and I agree that these are subjects that shouldn't be taken lightly. I sincerely hope he isn't the fraud you suggest he is.

I suppose only time can tell. If he's exposed as a liar, I'll be right there with you, throwing metaphorical pies; but until then, I'm prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 04:45 PM
Response to Reply #141
142. i was excited
now I'm just fed up. Oh, well...and if by some miracle he ever proves himself to be more than the sham I think he is, I will start a thread apologizing profusely and begging his forgiveness from the top of the Lounge to the depths of GD. Somehow, I doubt he can do it...

Sorry I sound so bitter...but...I guess I am.

theProdigal
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The Minus World Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 05:03 PM
Response to Reply #142
145. Plummeting Emotional Stock
You can imagine that the idea of having salvation appear, seemingly from out of nowhere, right before the election, would appeal to every democrat! It doesn't hurt that Mr. Schwarz claims that his evidence, along with Sibel Edmonds', will be explosive enough to blow the roof of every SUV with a W'04 sticker on the bumper.

The more emotionally attached we are to the political outcome of this election, the more we see our moods shift based on little bits of news that wouldn't even raise most people's eyebrows. I fall into that category as well; every zinger that Kerry makes, every line Bush stutters over, affects me much more than I'd like to admit - although I'm aware that my heightened sensitivity to information-trivia has nothing to do with the real world of politics. When the thread started, Karl's information portended to be the last great hope of those who have been actively paying attention to the horrors of this administration. I still think there's much promise in what he has to say.

If you look over the Schwarz threads, you can see an almost pathological shift in the responses to his messages: it started with extreme optimism, and dissolved with reluctance and overanalysis. A man like Karl Schwarz (if you assume he is who he claims to be) would be more interested in propagating his message as far and as wide as possible, than he would be in entertaining the inquiries of his detractors.

Just my 2 cents.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 05:25 PM
Response to Reply #145
148. i wasn't a detractor
until he dodged about four times with simple question about his companies and the technology he purports to control. And the thing is, if he hadn't answered at all I would be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, but when he told me that it was 'none of my business' then that is when I got fed up...it IS our business when he uses the title of CEO to bolster himself and his opinion. Does his opinion count? Hell yes! But if he is just a busboy somewhere then JUST SAY it...hell, I would have more respect for that...

Now we have four cents :-)

Thanks for the reasoned discourse!
theProdigal
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 05:06 PM
Response to Reply #139
146. Bravo Spork, and well put
Edited on Fri Oct-22-04 05:19 PM by steviet_2003
These attacks are totally unfounded and not constructive in the least, quite the oposite I must say.

Things that make you go hmmmm....
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 05:13 PM
Response to Reply #146
147. well founded...
find one place where he has backed up even ONE claim of his CEO-ness and I will shut up. Until then, unfounded is probably the worst word you could apply to my accusations...unless you meant that HIS claims are unfounded...and somehow I don't think that is what you meant...

theProdigal
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 05:30 PM
Response to Reply #147
149. I am a frikkin CEO
Or at least president of a small firm. What exactly do his arguments against the dimson have to do with what he does for a living? I am not a sheep that follows everything I hear, I check multiple resources and try to discern the truth, but I also try to keep an open mind. I take all with a grain of salt but what KWBS has stated rings of the truth and your attacks ring of RW discrediting.

Demands for CV should be accompanied with your own qualifications to question. If you can question his arguments, bring it on, otherwise what is your beef?
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 05:34 PM
Response to Reply #149
150. i am not questioning his letter...just that he uses a claim
of being a CEO to bolster his standing with the online community. I have every right to question...I am just a guy here on DU who has been here over a year since my great-grandfather (whom I lead to this site) died. I don't claim to be anything more...and am not trying to draw special standing with the group at large...

I have questioned who he is. He has refused to answer even the most basic of questions about his company. I have asked politely...he told me it was none of my business. I disagree. He wrote that letter as a CEO...that was his claim of importance...and therefore it is open to scrutiny.

theProdigal
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #149
153. Agreed
Can anybody provide evidence either supporting or disproving the claims in the letter. Frankly, I don't care if Santa Claus wrote the letter.

I would like confirmation, vetting of the information.

The Taliban/Brandis reason for Afghanistan seem legitimate. That alone should have brought down this misbegotten administration.
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:30 PM
Response to Original message
156. Another REPUBLICAN that has had his fill of BUSH
CALL ME CRAZY - by Don Barletta

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Call me crazy for my active interest in the future of America and particularly in American politics.

Go ahead. My friends do.

Well my activism is simply my reaction to discovering the truth, and my anger at finding out I was deceived for so long.

Now as my friends know, I've been a news junkie for years. Nothing new there. I thought I was well informed because during my downtime at work - and there was plenty of that for years - I was allowed to watch all the mainstream media news I wanted to, as long as it was Fox News.

I just didn't know that what I was watching, and thought was political news; was more realistically lies, misrepresentations, distortions, half-truths, spinning, and other clever manipulations, with some news of lesser importance throw in for distraction.

Some have even gone so far as to call what Fox News and others in the mainstream media do, a carefully scripted psyops campaign by our government against us Americans. And for those of you who aren't familiar with military-speak, "psyops" stands for "Psychological Operations". Now there's a chilling thought; and certainly something that most people in the know would agree our government is very good at.

I'm speaking from personal experience here. If you're finding out what's going on by tuning into FOX News, or any other mainstream media channel or newscast (ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, et al) - then I will go so far as to say that you are NOT getting the truth.

It's just my opinion mind you. But it is based upon my extensive research, and plenty of facts.

In just the last six months alone, I have read many, many news stories about America, our politics, our government, big business, the media, and our President -- all of which have simply gone unreported here in the US.

Why? Could every reporter who says or reports anything contrary to current Presidential and media spin; be wrong, misinformed, or un-American?

I don't think so. But it is what your government would like you to think. They want you to think that black is white, and night is day. They believe that if they tell you their lies often enough, over and over, through their mouthpiece the mainstream media, that you will believe them.

And I would hate to say that their campaign is working, but isn't it? Didn't a recent poll state that approximately half of all Americans still think that Saddam had something to do with 9/11?

Are Americans really that uninformed? Or are we, as our government and mainstream media believe, easily led and manipulated?

Listen. I've discovered much truthful reporting out there, and as the good book says, this truth has set me free.

No, not from my captors - namely President Bush and his cronies, and the mainstream media. And certainly not yet from big businesses and corporations. They still rule in Washington. They have proven that the current Presidency and Administration is for sale, and they've been doing a great job of buying it.

But I am hopeful. Americans are starting to wake up.

I'm a prime example. If I can wake up - anybody can! And the truth has set me free from watching the news and thinking that we are doing the "right thing" worldwide, and for the right reasons.

Yeah, OK, call me CRAZY right now.

But what I've found has made me feel like the character in the movie who said, "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it any more".

Yes, I'm mad as hell. And I have every right to be. I care about America and its future. I'm sure you do too. We all do, don't we?

But who has time to watch over our government?

Our day-to-day lives are busy. Super busy. Our jobs, kids, plans, bills, dinner - and much, much more. Too busy. After everything is done, who has any time left for our government?

Even the people I know who do care about America, all seem to be at a loss as what to do. They watch the evening news, and they get mad. But that's it. They tell me that there's nothing they can do. They feel the government is out of control, and their voice is not heard in DC. So they do nothing, and feel powerless. They tell me it's pointless to contact elected officials, since they don't listen to us anyway. Have you ever felt that way?

Unfortunately for most of us, our day-to-day lives seem to be of more concern.

Not what our government is up to. Not any particular hidden or secret agenda that they might have. And we could certainly never think that the current quagmire we find America in, might really exist for an entirely different reason that the one our government and the media spoon feeds us daily.

God forbid. And who in their right mind could believe that? We want to think the best of our elected officials, and our government, don't we? But, as others have said, isn't true patriotism supporting our country all of the time, and supporting our government ONLY when they deserve it?

I might suggest that as you discover more of the truth that is out there, you might begin to believe that our government does NOT deserve our support right now.

(And I'm in no way referring to our brave soldiers, who deserve our support 100% of the time, whether the conflict they are fighting in is right or wrong.)

Perhaps our biggest mistake in this 21st Century is that we Americans have evolved by and large into a complacent, apathetic people, who are too busy with our own day-to-day stuff to deal with our government. Too busy to dig in and find out the truth for ourselves. And take action. As if our government will somehow perform watchdog duties over itself!

We're too busy to remember that we elected our government, and that we pay them. We've forgotten that they work for us. Not the other way around.

We're too busy to pay attention to what they're doing. We're too busy to keep an eye on them. We're too busy to check for ourselves and see if what they are telling us is the truth. We're too busy to tell them what we think, and what we want. We're too busy to keep them in line with our constant supervision.

We're too busy to be anything but self-centered.

Perhaps one day in the not-too-distant future our children or grandchildren will wake up, and they'll wonder how in the world they ended up in the mess they'll find themselves in.

The answer to that is simple.

If we're still around then, we can just tell them that we were just too complacent, too apathetic, and too busy to bother!

And we just let it happen by our lack of action, and our lack of involvement.

To paraphrase, someone said that for evil to prevail, good people just need to do nothing.

Are you watching what your government is up to? Or if you're still around when the future comes, will you just be making excuses to your grandkids?

==========

Don Barletta is a former registered Republican, who lives in State College, Pennsylvania. Following his honorable discharge after being drafted into the Vietnam-era US Army, he has spent the last 30 years in a variety of sales and sales management positions. His political revival occurred early in 2004 after someone mailed him a "Deception Dollar", and for the first time he viewed the website URLs printed on it. Don can be reached at FredOneSmith@yahoo.com


DISRIBUTE WIDELY IF YOU WISH.

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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #156
157. another chance...
somehow I doubt you will take it...guess we are left to GUESS who you are...

theProdigal
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Tapirlover Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #157
158. prodigal...
you seem to have a REAL problem,Prodigal...I believe he answered you quite a few times in another thread.You may look up Bridas and Afghanistan,Turkmekistan et all on Google...do your own homework..don't take my word for it
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #158
159. i have done my homework
not ONE patent listed in any company name that he has mentioned as his and he refuses to provide info on even one patent.

I have a REAL problem with being lied to and told "My business is not your business." Yes, I have a REAL problem with that. He had purported himself to be this and with all the work done NO ONE ON THIS THREAD OR ANY OTHER HAS PROVIDED A SHRED OF EVIDENCE THAT PATMOS NANOTECHNOLOGIES IS ANYTHING MORE THAN A FRONT.

He hasn't answered bupkis...he is stonewalling...covering up...hiding...

I just want ONE patent that he claims to hold...one number...shouldn't be a problem since they are a matter of public record. Hell, give me the name of another company that he holds through PATMOS...he cannot do it.

theProdigal
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Tapirlover Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #159
161. prodigal
what is your problem.......ESAD..do you think someone is going to give you trade secrets???!! Gawd..are you stuck on stupid or what??!!! Oh..by the way..karl said "ESAD"
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 09:27 PM
Response to Reply #161
162. who is looking for trade secrets?
Edited on Fri Oct-22-04 09:45 PM by ProdigalJunkMail
I am looking for ONE PATENT... and he never EVER said ESAD to me. Not once in all the questions asked...

And fuck off for your 'stupid' comment...I am stuck on pissed that this fraud is allowed to exist here...

theProdigal

OnEdit : patents, for those of you who are unfamiliar, are public record and would never be the subject of secrecy from a CEO...they would be LAUDED and PARADED about if asked for.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 09:34 PM
Response to Reply #161
163. wait, I guess you might be relaying this in person from him
so, I guess I should say that I am sorry that he has a problem with being asked questions and given an opportunity to provide proof of his claims...HIS CLAIMS.

At least he was polite...if avoiding the question...

theProdigal
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #159
166. Deleted message
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #166
167. nice...really nice...very CEO of you
PATMOS may not be running for president but you claim to be the CEO of a vast corporation that has nothing of record anywhere, anytime. And as the CEO of that corporation you have written a letter to the Whitehouse asking for answers to your question (which I have no problem with...they are all valid). Since you make an issue of being the CEO of this corporation to bolster your standing with DU and other internet and media outlets, I think it is only fair to ask you to PROVE YOU ARE WHO YOU SAY YOU ARE. The fact that you are unwilling and unable to do that and that you resort to name-calling either directly or through your minions does not mark you as a CEO but as a fraud.

Thank you for finally exposing yourself. It was worth the effort...you were great. Wonderful performance...you had lots of people going!

theProdigal <---putting you in for an Oscar
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:43 PM
Response to Reply #167
169. Junk, you are officially working the last nerve.
In addition, you are being so rude and inappropriate.

The only motivation you have going is to stir the pot.

You don't give a rat's damn whats right and/or what's true, so get off the indignant routine. Its transparent and a total bore.

I will add you owe Mr. Schwarz an apology.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #169
170. you obviously missed a lot
he owes you an apology...all of us. The motivation is to expose another fraud. If you are willing to accept him without proof...well, so be it. And what is so transparent?

theProdigal
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #170
172. Obviously I'm missing something!
I am extremely impressed with DU as having members that don't fall for any rhetoric posted on these threads. They are much brighter than most, especially me. If they question anything said, they ask for links and check into it. Most have aliases, for whatever reason. Over the past few days, many of us have seen something out of the ordinary with Mr. Schwarz's posts. His research and writing abilities are thorough and make sense to most of us that have been following what's really happening.

I'm personally panicked by the thought of another four years under Bush. To compound that, I email people regularly to not only keep them informed, but also keep them from same panic. Seriously, it affects our health. We desperately need encouragement and hope.

Mr. Schwarz is feeding us lots of good information that few are disputing and I know to be accurate. I'm forwarding many of them to my group of people who send to their group and so on. It's a process that we need.

Personally, I don't care what his corporation consists of or who he's involved with. He's giving me lots of information that helps our cause to get Bush out. If he's even misrepresenting who he is (which I doubt), he's still serving a purpose many of us here can use.

I don't mean to offend you, but I desperately need what Mr. Schwarz is offering and I beg you not to stop discouraging it. No one at DU has ever been known for blindly following anyone before, and anything that sounds not legit (that matters to us) will be researched and exposed.

Please let the information flow. Thank you.
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Proud_Lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:39 PM
Response to Reply #172
173. Sorry about typo
It's late Friday night. I meant to say "I beg you to stop discouraging it."
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ScaRBama Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 08:55 PM
Response to Reply #156
160. Nice read....
I think most people could really care less,they just want to be left alone. They want to believe in a fairy tale world that somebody else will always be there to hold their hand. I believe deep down most people are afraid to open their eyes too really see and clean out their ears to hear the real truth. Parties and good times are the only things that truly matter in this fantasy we call life. The ones in control know this and give us just enough to keep us thinking that....Once upon a time and Happily ever after will always be a reality. Which ever way the wind blows the masses will gather and move in that direction.
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ProdigalJunkMail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 09:39 PM
Response to Reply #156
164. ok...i quit
Edited on Fri Oct-22-04 09:39 PM by ProdigalJunkMail
you assholes obviously won't answer even one question...you just bluster and avoid...nice tactics...well, played. Looks like some people here will believe you.

For those of you falling for this crap...you have been given the opportunity to investigate this yourselves...believe if you want. This guy is a fraud...

theProdigal
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #164
179. And YOU are????
Edited on Sat Oct-23-04 02:53 PM by Karenina
I don't give a flying rat's ass about his "identity." He's asking the QUESTIONS I WANT ANSWERED. Hats off and BIG HUGS to him for taking the personal risk of posing them. Who pissed in YOUR Cheerios PJM?
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #156
165. Food for Republican Christians to MUNCH ON
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The Minus World Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 10:34 PM
Response to Original message
168. Vreeland... Oh man...
I was just listening to KPFK. It was a fund drive, and Mike Ruppert (author of Crossing the Rubicon) was giving an interview where he mentioned that Mike Vreeland (incarcerated 9/11 whistleblower) was arrested TODAY. The charges included CHILD PROSTITUTION. This cannot be a coincidence.

Mr. Schwarz, does this have anything to do with your research? If so, this absolutely lends credence to the hints and suggestions you've been dropping all along.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-22-04 11:10 PM
Response to Reply #168
171. Have you seen this?
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The Minus World Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 12:43 AM
Response to Reply #171
174. No, I hadn't seen that...
Thanks for the link. I'm gonna go read up on it now.
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 06:31 AM
Response to Reply #168
177. IT IS HOW THEY RUIN LIVES
They literally are using sex, bisexual , pedophilia bait to ruin the lives of others, or blackmail them into compliance. I pulled out, even shut down my DC office.

See my OnlineJournal piece and it is just the tip of the iceberg.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/101404Schwarz/101404schwarz.html

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/102304Schwarz/102304schwarz.html

I have two articles at the editors now and they turned white reading them. I am being "URGED" to not run those stories until a few steps are taken to protect some people, and I mean armed force protection.

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The Minus World Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 03:11 PM
Response to Reply #177
180. They have Rove, we've got Schwarz
Thank you so much for all of the research you've done - and for having the tenacity to post updates on this board, despite the obvious friction with certain members here.

I know that some have an issue with accepting you as a credible source; even going so far as to consider you as a distraction. For those of us who have been paying attention and connecting the dots mentally, over the years, your posts paint a lucid picture, and resonate with what we've been thinking all along.

My hope is that your message (not just your message, but the message of the 9/11 truth movement) can ascend beyond the meaningless chatter of mainstream news pundits, and make it into the consciousness of the average American voter before November 2nd.
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 05:04 PM
Response to Reply #180
182. See what I just posted below you link
and YES, they are running from me, not coming at me

The TRUTH is a powerful weapon.

All links on my articles will be at

http://www.karlschwarz.com and there are many coming.

This is just round 1 of a 15 round title match.

BUSH IS GOING DOWN.
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 06:24 AM
Response to Original message
176. KWBS + OnlineJournal, delivering the message
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Tapirlover Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #176
178. article
keep up the great work,Karl
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 05:00 PM
Response to Reply #178
181. Oh, WE will
Here is the next article that will post



A Christian Republican Demands the Truth from George Bush

By Karl W. B. Schwarz


I am a person that likes to keep the facts straight. It is much easier to discern between the truth and a twisting of the truth and an outright lie when the facts are straight.

I am a devout Christian, a very Conservative Republican and I am not backing Bush Cheney in the slightest bit for I see them, their lies, and their agenda quite clearly. I am not alone for many Conservative Republicans are wide awake and see the Bush – Cheney agenda as a junta for fascism, plundering this nation for the benefit of their wealthy contributors, and undermining our freedoms for that time when Americans wake up and understand that Bush – Cheney are indeed fascists bent on a New World Order that is centered on their goals, oil and gas and defense spending, wealth for them, and the benefit of their wealthy contributors.

On September 30, 2004, about seven hours before the first Bush – Kerry presidential debate, I sent a demand letter to President George W. Bush citing key issues that I wrote about in my book One-Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas, a Conservative Republican Speaks Out.

Some web sites were slow to get the Demand Letter posted and in at least several instances, the email header and September 30, 2004 date were removed and the date that they posted the document was shown. That led many to believe that the demand letter went on that date when it in fact went on September 30, 2004 before the first debate.

This has caused some confusion as Rense.com showed a date of October 13, 2004 but the Portland.indymedia.org website shows it posted on October 12, 2004. Neither one of them is right; the September 30, 2004 date is the correct date and you are getting that from the author of that Demand Letter.

The simple truth of the matter is that the email and the facsimile went on September 30, 2004 just shy of seven (7) hours of when the first debate occurred. The following is the exact header of the email that I sent and many other people have it too so “providence” can be established as to when “the time for the truth is before us all.”

Since I am a member of the 9-11 Truth Movement, I could rely that they would “get it right” and post what I sent with the exact date intact.


-----Original Message-----
From: Karl W. B. Schwarz
Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 12:13 PM
To: President@Whitehouse. Gov
Cc: Natalie Jones; research@johnkerry.com
Subject: An American demands the truth from you

September 30, 2004 By Email, By Facsimile to White House

Mr. President,


It not only went by email, it was also sent by facsimile from a Kinko’s that is right across the street from Ground Zero in NYC. We have that facsimile receipt and confirmation to the White House fax number, 202-456-2461.

Those are the facts, they are undisputed, and the questions posed to Bush and copied to DNC and Kerry remain unanswered. In fact, the lady that sent the facsimile at my request was looking at the vast hole in the ground where the World Trade Centers once stood as the facsimile was being transmitted and confirmation received.

George W. Bush and Richard B. “Dick” Cheney do not care about the truth, but I do and so should you.

The White House has the following, they can deny it, but they have it by email and by facsimile. We have the proof in hand to back that up and they have only the lies they hide behind to protect them.
Mr. President,

I am a Conservative Christian Republican that has no intentions of voting for you in this year's election and many other Conservative Republicans are following me.

America demands the TRUTH and not after the elections; this nation demands the truth from you RIGHT NOW! This letter and an identical email will be going out to hundreds of thousands by me, millions by others.

1. I demand as an American citizen that you lift the "gag order" on Sibel D. Edmonds and let Americans know what foreign names and what AMERICAN NAMES she uncovered in her FBI translations that were involved in drug trafficking, money laundering and the financing of 9-11. Her facts and your "official story" lies do not add up. Americans demand the truth on that matter before the election.

2. I demand to know what energy companies were in that Cheney Energy Task Force meeting and what discussions there were as to the steps that would be taken to remove the Taliban and Bridas Corporation as the last remaining obstacle to the United States controlling the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline. I met that company in 1999 and have known since then about the Bridas v Unocal, $15 billion interference of contract lawsuit in US District Court, Southern District of Texas. I also know about the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals decision on September 9, 2003 that upheld the Bridas $500 million arbitration settlement and the March 22, 2004 denial of writ of certiorari at the United States Supreme Court, Case 03-1018, Turkmenneft v Bridas.

3. I demand to know how many prisoners are being held at GITMO and other places that are either BRIDAS EMPLOYEES or are persons that know all about Bridas Corporation and what your administration did to get control of that Trans-Afghanistan pipeline.

4. I demand to know how many board meetings Condoleezza Rice and Thomas Kean sat in on at Chevron and Amerada Hess where it was discussed how they were going to deal with making the billions in "Big Oil" investments into a land locked Caspian Basin and how to get rid of the Taliban and Bridas so they could turn those investments into cash flow. How many times did Big Oil ask for military force to complete a commercial transaction they could not get under their control, and on what exact date did you agree to provide such military force - prior to 9-11? Isn’t it true Mr. Bush that the Cheney Energy Task Force discussed that attack on Afghanistan and removal of the Taliban / Bridas obstacle once and for all – and did so well in advance of 9-11?

5. I demand to know why you appointed 10 persons to the 9-11 Commission, 8 of which are directly benefiting by the Taliban / Bridas "contract" obstacle being removed - breached with military force, and the big Caspian Oil deals that are now coming to market. No, America does not 'thank you' for that nor do we hold such despicable conduct up high.

6. I demand to know what US Oil Company stepped up as the sponsor of that OPIC and Asia Development Bank funded Trans-Afghanistan pipeline and what US company is constructing that pipeline right now, and what US firms are supplying the key components and their relationship to your administration.

7. I demand that you identify the company and persons who were going around Bridas to be "natural gas suppliers" to the US owned natural gas electrical generation plants in Pakistan (Dynegy - Illinova /Tenaska, El Paso (2 OPIC financed transactions) and others.

8. I demand to know why you have not been truthful with the American public that your GWOT and military policy are protecting the Caspian Basin Oil and Gas deals for many of your Bush Pioneers, some $9.6 trillion in oil and about $3 trillion in natural gas, now mostly in the hands of your elite wealthy contributors and some elite Liberals to keep this all quiet.

9. I demand to know what role the post-bankruptcy ENRON (Prisma Energy International, Cayman Islands) is playing in the Caspian Basin area. The same Enron that uses the law firm of Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw that established the offshore SPE's for assets that were never under the jurisdiction of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court.

10. I demand to know why you appointed Richard Ben Veniste to the 9-11 Commission when it was his law firm that was stalling Bridas Corporation at the Fifth Circuit US Court of Appeals in the matter of Bridas Corporation v. Turkmenneft and his law firm is directly involved in Pakistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan and your administration.

11. I demand to know the exact date of the order that had our military practicing in early 2001 the invasion of Afghanistan to take out the Taliban and Bridas Corporation and make that pipeline under control of US interests, many of your Bush Pioneers, and the exact date that our military started practicing and preparing for that invasion.

12. I demand to know who Remington Holdings Ltd is, and Western Acquisitions, Inc, both Baker & Botts clients and the lucky recipients of OPIC financing to acquire oil and gas deposits in Pakistan. Who are the parties involved in those entities by name and benefited from such governmental magnanimity? Is this transaction a payoff? Since American taxpayers are footing the bill, we have the right to know - right now.

13. I demand to know why you could not find 10 people to sit on the 9-11 Commission that are not directly benefiting from the actions you have taken and the lives you have cost or otherwise ruined. Why would you select people not motivated to find the truth for that would impact “their bottom line”?

14. I demand a full disclosure from your administration as to the Citibank / IFTRIC / OPIC / Export-Import Bank financing of American / Israeli based deals in Islamic nations on behalf of your major campaign contributors.

"IFTRIC and Citibank have an agreement allowing Citibank to finance approved IFTRIC-backed transactions. Citibank Israel CEO Nandan Mar said: ‘The Citibank branch, and the Structured Trade Finance Group, view IFTRIC’s program as a basic product for the bank’s domestic activities.’"

I see distinct differences between "terrorism" and "outrage" (Shurtan II) at your policies.

15. I demand to know why you wanted an entire new division of the CIA for Argentina. As an American citizen I take umbrage to your belligerence towards a nation that is not an enemy of the United States by any stretch of the imagination, except possibly yours. It is abundantly clear that your intentions were solely to intimidate Argentina and Argentina based Bridas Corporation into silence and that is NOT AMERICA. That has every appearance of the United States acting as the terrorist and a state sponsor of terrorism. Yes, you are wrapped in a flag but I clearly see that it is not the one you purport it to be.

16. I demand to know why your administration has never disclosed that DynPort Vaccine, LLC, owned by DynCorp and now owned by Computer Sciences Corporation, a Bush Pioneer, is a possible source for where the weaponized Ames Strain of anthrax came from that was used against this nation. How did your administration manage to miss one of your Bush Pioneer campaign contributors as a source for Ames Strain, and a company doing large volumes of business with your administration and even being known euphemistically (DynCorp) as The Mercenary Company? Who put that Contract on America?

17. I demand to know how you can claim a pretense of being a Christian while sponsoring and condoning the torture of prisoners, including sodomizing children, at Abu Ghraib prison.

18. I demand to know how your administration can send firms overseas as "representatives of this nation" that were convicted of running a flesh trade in little girls in Bosnia, specifically one DynCorp. Convicted in Texas and the United Kingdom according to reports I have seen and apparently detested in Afghanistan. You do recall that DynCorp is the company providing security to protect your puppet Karzai in Afghanistan and your other puppet Zalmay Khalilzad is deterring anyone from running for President in that bogus “free” democracy?

19. I demand to know why your administration keeps running the name and photos of Adnan G. El Shukrijumah as the "dirty bomb boogeyman" and on March 25, 2003 the FBI knew exactly where to find him and did not go after him. That telephone call was made from my telephone by a Canadian friend that was in Little Rock on that date, Mr. Bush, so do not pretend "national security" with me. I am "first person" on this matter and all of America deserves to know the extent that your administration has been and is lying to us all – and someone that is not Al Qaeda is probably “dropping a suspect name” as they set up a dirty bomb attack. Sure have pushed up the oil and gas prices with your strategery though, guess we can consider that another "Mission Accomplished".

20. I demand to know why your administration keeps referring to Adnan G. El Shukrijumah as a “Saudi” when the FBI knows full well he is not Saudi. His family is from Guyana in South America and they have lived in Florida since 1986 without incident. His grandparents were from Yemen, moved long ago to South America and his mother is from Trinidad & Tobago. He has never been a Saudi citizen, so why does your administration try to portray Shukrijumah as something he is not?

21. I demand to know why you alerted India, Pakistan and "Axis of Evil" member Iran of your intentions to attack the Taliban / Bridas well before 9-11, and not notify the citizens of this nation. That matter was reported on June 26, 2001 in India newspapers.

22. I demand to know the exact date that the first meeting, first page of the Patriot Act was started by your administration and every DOJ attorney, White House person involved in that matter.

23. I demand to know why it is you, your backers, certain Democrats that apparently “hate our freedoms” more than these purported GWOT Islamic fundamentalists, hence the Patriot Act that treats all Americans with the same degree of contempt and disdain you treat all non-wealthy Americans.

24. I demand to know why Homeland Security is protecting this government and not protecting this nation.

25. I demand to know why any dissent or objections to your Orwellian, imperialistic, pro-corporate agenda is referred to the Homeland Security Counter-Terrorism Division.

26. I demand to know why you defile everything you touch and try to twist it into something that is pro-Bush Backers and anti-American citizens and then try to alter our rights as Americans via Patriot Act measures that are designed to force America into submission, silence dissent, and does nothing to protect this nation, only this government.

27. I demand to know why your administration is planning a “pro-Bush Pioneers pharmaceutical program” derived from TMAP (Texas Medical Algorithm Project) and PENNMAP (Tom Ridge, Pennsylvania) to have Americans tested under guidelines prepared by your Bush Pioneers and force psychotropic drugs on Americans.

28. I demand to know why your administration keeps injecting our troops with an anthrax vaccine known to be deadly and harmful to the health of our soldiers and now apparently wish to inject that into all Americans under Project BioShield and martial law. Is that why you have no concern whatsoever for the 3 million jobs lost, for between your TMAP lunacy and Project BioShield lunacy, well over 3 million Americans could perish if the same statistical rates hit the general population as has impacted our military? Can you explain away Holocaust with “brilliant strategery policy” driven by unmitigated greed?

29. I demand to know why Li Ka-shing was denied Global Crossing on national security grounds (very public) yet allow him in the back door in Savi Technology (not disclosed), the RFID technology company that is purportedly protecting our ports from insertion of a nuclear bomb into this nation via “ocean going containers”. How many doors are left wide open by your administration in this GWOT Fable and Homeland Security ineptness?

30. I demand to know why you search the world for mythical terrorists and cannot find robber barons and financial terrorist right under your nose. That many of them are Bush Pioneers and even backers of the Democratic Party, and have plundered the investors, workers and citizens of this nation, is very apparent to Americans and not very pro-family on your part.

Christians do not lie, Mr. Bush, for that is an affront to God. A Christian would not willfully mislead this nation, nor send our troops into Harm’s Way for a lie while your wealthy contributors take over a $9.6 trillion oil, $3.0 trillion natural gas deal and already maneuvering for Africa. You are proving to the world that you are terrified of the truth and have impeded every investigation into the truth. Your actions prove that you are not an upstanding Christian, nor are you a Conservative Republican worthy of that designation.

Your position as President does not make you unaccountable to the citizens of this nation, nor does it entitle you to act as a tyrant, an emperor, or serving only those Americans that dole out money for your political ambitions and agendas. I see no “stewardship” in your conduct whatsoever.

You have "Mission Accomplished" three times - the removal of Taliban / Bridas to control that pipeline, radically escalated the price of oil and gas for some of your major backers, and the death and maiming of many due to your lies. Your "Iraq Strategery" makes perfect sense to me, since all of you needed a diversion away from Afghanistan, the Caspian Basin and what you did to Bridas Corporation to get control of that $9.6 trillion in oil, $3 trillion in natural gas.

Go back home and wrap yourself in the flag of Texas and the shame you alone are responsible for creating. Your resume is your doing and yours alone.

If you were running against me this year, you would not have the guts to stay on the stage in a debate with me.

Shame on all of you, both sides of the aisle that have lied to America and gotten so many killed and maimed for a lie, and no, I am not an antiwar person. Just adamantly opposed to what you stand for, for that is lower than Clinton on his worst day.

Sincerely,
Karl W. B. Schwarz
President, CEO
Patmos Nanotechnologies, LLC

The following quotes are from Chapter 17 of the book I wrote, the last chapter being titled “What can we do to clean up Dubya’s Mess?”

"Those people who will not be governed by God will be ruled by tyrants." William Penn”

“Welcome to current day America.”

“Conquest is not in our principles. It is inconsistent with our government. – Thomas Jefferson”

“Patriotism means to stand by the country. It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official... –Theodore Roosevelt”

I have been asked what we as Americans can do. First, think and understand that we need leaders that represent all of us, not only the wealthy elite and our self-serving elected officials that are lousy stewards and seem to have forgotten that they are accountable to the people of this Nation.

Second, put your nation ahead of your pet “ists” and “isms” and be an American first.

Third, quit whining, quite being the victim and stand up for this nation before we have no nation and no freedoms.

Fourth, learn to recognize that Bush – Cheney and DC in general = impunity and that is the uncomfortable knot that you have in your stomach. They are fascism so wake up and see them for what they are.

Stand up and show them the power of the Silent Majority on November 2. We are the People. We are America.

Karl W. B. Schwarz lives in Little Rock, AR and is the author of “One-Way Ticket to Crawford, Texas, a Conservative Republican Speaks Out”. He is the President and Chief Executive Officer of Patmos Nanotechnologies, LLC and I-nets Security Systems, a designer of intelligence and communications UAV systems. You can email him here.
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Tapirlover Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 05:45 PM
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183. Demand Letter
I was the Lucky Ducky who had the great honour of faxing Karl's letter to the White House on September 30 from a Staples at Ground Zero:nuke:
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 07:07 PM
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184. I know this is minor ... way minor
Edited on Sat Oct-23-04 07:08 PM by tlcandie
but I'm a bit confused... one of you says Kinko and one says Staples.. ? :shrug:

Thanks in advance for clearing this up!
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Tapirlover Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 07:58 PM
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185. demand letter
it was a Staples and I have the paperwork to back that up
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #184
186. Well, I was IN ARKANSAS
and I am not sure where Tapirlover went. I thought it was a kinko's but if Staples, what is the difference?

The POINT is the WH got it from GROUND ZERO on 9-30-2004 and not one damned word out of KERRY in three debates and Edwards in one debate and BUSH ABOUT IT HAVE A NERVOUS BREAKDOWN!!!!!

PONDER THAT

Have the chance to LOP HEADS OFF and NOT?

I personally do not care WHERE it went from, IT WENT to the WHITE HOUSE on 9-30-2004 and not a word from ANY OF THEM.

That says all I need to KNOW.

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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #186
187. Who the hell is Mr Schwarz and why would ANYONE respond to his letter?
I just don't get this
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 06:25 PM
Response to Reply #187
193. No one can tell me about Mr Schwarz?
This seems like another of those "very important issues that demands investigation" yet no one can seem to explain what it's about
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tlcandie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 08:19 PM
Response to Reply #186
188. Ack .. sorry to have even asked...
If you've noticed I've not dissed you even once, but I don't tend to hang around in threads where my head gets chopped off for asking a question which I think I tried to politely ask and noted was not a big thing just a question.

Again, sorry to have stirred the hornet's nest and I will just move on and wait for word on the results of all of this from someone else.

Much luck to you all in taking down the elite's of this world keeping us all in the dark and enslaved.

:hug:
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KWBS Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-23-04 10:41 PM
Response to Reply #186
189. IT WAS STAPLES
my mistake, wrong SIDE of the WTC HOLE IN THE GROUND

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ScaRBama Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-25-04 09:50 AM
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191. Karl....
Anything new for today?
I just want to thank you for all the info you have posted.
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The Minus World Donating Member (634 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-24-04 03:09 AM
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190. Kick
back into the mainstream.

Read his articles, and allow them to be the basis for your judgment.
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-26-04 05:10 PM
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192. kick
,
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